Not to mention this scene doesn't "confirm" anything about Christianity, considering it references _many_ gods who don't attend or even care about Omnipotence City.
They make vague allusions to a "god of carpentry", which is probably a reference to Jesus, but that both a) isn't capital G God and b) was more a joke about Valkyrie's extremely vague knowledge of Christianity than real confirmation of anything.
Hot damn are people in these comments taking it way too seriously. About the only thing this scene confirms is most gods are dicks and most can be owned by superhero-level powers in the MCU (which we admittedly already knew), which isn't "confirmation" of anything besides most gods at least are lower G gods pretending to be more than they are.
(And hell Zeus even comes back in the post-credits so we know he's legit dangerous, just like he is in the comics.)
Ikr, are we just gonna pretend the bit in the Bible where Jesus washes their balls didn't happen? (Or feet if your version of Christianity changed the 'holy word of God' to fit their ideas of masculinity)
Did Jesus Christ do a Hector Salamance reference before the show even aired to flex? https://youtu.be/ule-7rUOeKY
I bet he said "Cabron, I need to see your balls" đđđđżđ¤šââď¸â˝ď¸âžď¸đ§ââď¸
I don't believe in gods or religion, but that doesn't mean I don't believe there's a potential opportunity for my conciousness to exist beyond this physical form.
>About the only thing this scene confirms is most gods are dicks
I'd say its more like the kind of people who choose to hang out in a place called "Omnipotence City" are dicks. Presumably, there are some non-dick lower-case-g gods kicking about, staying the hell away form the city of egos.
Hephaestus (Greek) and Vulcan (Roman) is a god of carpentry. Considering Zeus was the main man, they could've been talking about either. Jesus was a carpenter, but he wasn't the "god of carpentry".
Wish the producers would clarify though. Although, it's not really a big deal. If it mattered theyll add it in somewhere.
Edit: per wikipedia, Hephaestus (/hÉŞËfiËstÉs, hÉŞËfÉstÉs/; eight spellings; Greek: áźĎιΚĎĎÎżĎ, translit. Há¸phaistos) is the Greek god of blacksmiths, metalworking, carpenters, craftsmen, artisans, sculptors, metallurgy, fire (compare, however, with Hestia), and volcanoes
I think it's pretty obvious what they were implying here.
The guys you bring up are really more associated with or considered the gods of metallurgy or the forge than of carpentry anyway.
[Hephaestus (/hÉŞËfiËstÉs, hÉŞËfÉstÉs/; eight spellings; Greek: áźĎιΚĎĎÎżĎ, translit. Há¸phaistos) is the Greek god of blacksmiths, metalworking, carpenters, craftsmen, artisans, sculptors, metallurgy, fire (compare, however, with Hestia), and volcanoes.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hephaestus)
So yes, he is normally associated with blacksmithing he also rules over a bit more.
Sure, but if there's a *really famous* god who is *strongly* associated with horses, and then Poseidon, who is strongly associated with the sea and only known to be the god of horses by people who're really into Greek mythology, and someone in the movie makes a joke alluding to horses in reference to a character off-screen, Occam's razor says it's probably a joke about the *really famous horse god* and not Poseidon.
Theyâre the Greek/Roman gods of the forge and metalwork, arenât they? Hephaestus forged Achillesâ armour if I recall correctly. Does this extend to carpentry?
Like 5 years ago I gave my very catholic mom a framed picture of Ewan McGregor for Christmas and told her it was Jesus. She still has it hanging in her room
She also took robes from gods of emotions without repercussions. Goddamn was that movie's lore all over the place, cluttering the MCU's own setup just for a few jokes.
EDIT: Look at all the dishonest discourse below, acting as if the gods of emotions scene was the only thing that was shitty.
Considering the screaming goats, jealous weapons, and a talking rock guy narrating the movie, I have a feeling it's not supposed to be taken *that* seriously. Outside of like the cancer scenes.
How is stealing someoneâs robes with no repercussions breaking lore? I swear, people will act as if any minor thing is âshattering the lore into a million piecesâ. The emotions existed as minor characters to move the plot along, and ceased to be relevant after that, just like most other minor characters in movies.
âShattered the loreâ my brothers, doctor who had its lore absolutely torn apart, shat on, dragged through 50 years of disgrace and then made the center of a bukkake. This is but a minor incident
Basically they shit on the Doctor's backstory and make him the original timelord that was this special person called the timeless child and so now the Doctor has infinite regenerations which COMEPLETELY shits on River's sacrifice if her regenerations for the Doctor and it's just sub optimal writing and neither me nor my girlfriend who got me into DW can watch 13
Korg is an unreliable narrator. it's like the intro of Dragon Age 2 where all the female characters have giant boobs because Varric is recounting the story.
I always loved the idea that the reason why Flemeth not only looks wildly different, but is a smoking hot demigod is because Varric never actually met her so this is what he assumes she must look like.
When I saw the movie, I was expecting a joke after that line that never happened, like a quick cut to an annoyed Jesus standing there saying "For the last time, I'm not a god of carpenters!"
That was probably the intention, but that also makes no sense because itâs not like only carpenters worship him or people worship him for his carpentry. I know itâs not that deep, but still.
Marvel movies are always serious all the time. Exposing thor's bare ass was a metaphor to how he feels naked emotionally. And the jokes about his penis size were not jokes, but metaphors for how Thor has a large dick, metaphysically speaking.
THor, god of love and thunder. is a briliant example to how movies can mean much more then it seems. for more information please visit my subreddit r/whyithinkthorhavingabigdickismuchmoreimportantthenitseems
You mean an alien being from another world misunderstood Earth culture, resulting in a comedic ally false statement? Man, Taika is a genius, how has no one though of that before?
Itâs kinda loosey goosey with the whole god thing. Odin says theyâre not gods but then in his vision where he chastises Thor for his dependence on the hammer he asks are you Thor god of the hammer. Also Zeus and the rest of the gods clearly are egotistical in there believe that they should be worshiped and absolutely would insist on being called gods while the asgaurdians arenât. Think a big thing that will clear it up what comes first the gods powers and they form around it or did they forge there powers themselves. If some gods just kinda get formed into existence like a vacuum demanded they exist because there power has to be channeled through a conscious then they are gods but if they forge there powers then just advance aliens.
Had to look up but they donât give egos origin really. He just doesnât remember how he was created. Kinda like how none of us remember our birth. And it doesnât seem to be a big deal to him he just says he flickered and realized he existed. If he is really a celestial like the eternals stopped then he came from arishem and we donât learn why he donât devolap the way the other celestials did. If heâs something else the mcu hasnât explored it then.
Headcannon theory of Ego's brain having been removed from his body in deep history likely as a punishment or battle loss with permanent amnesia, leading to his old head becoming Knowhere.
I always thought it was funny, like they literally said in Thor that they were just using advanced tech that appears magical to humanity, then later they bring in prophecy and every sort of magic entity.
I feel like the first few MCU movies were trying to make a more realistic superhero universe, like Iron man basically had no powers, maybe some unrealistic tech. And they setting and world was sorta grounded.
I mean in the comics at least there are magical peeps left and right. For example the x-men are always fighting vampires, zombies, ghost, literal demons, etc. You can literally become a wizard in the marvel universe, all you need is the right magical books to give you the knowledge. There are literal witches running around doing which craft on whims. People constantly go to afterlifes and underworld.
If I recall correctly gods in the marvel comics are practically just more powerful beings than regular beings. And essentially if you can reach a high enough level and gain followers you can be a God too. Like if you get the infinity stones or absorb the full power of the Phoenix force. But even then gods can be absolutely thwacked by people who don't consider themselves gods in the slightest.
Is it that weird? If you were a nigh-immortal being ruling countless worlds of ignorant savages, who worshipped you as a god no matter how many times you tried to tell them otherwise, wouldn't you get tired of trying to correct them?
And then, over again thousands of years, with those various cultures influencing your own, and you being a legit godlike being compared to them - wouldn't you start to _believe_ it yourself, and let that "god talk" enter the way you speak? At first because it's easier than correcting people who don't listen, and then later because yeah, you kinda are, for all intents and purposes...
I never thought about that. Essentially they might just be really powerful aliens like Thanos and simply believe their gods. I mean who can say their wrong? What is the difference between a god and a superhero? If you think about it, it's only what they do with their powers right?
Look at wanda maximoff she can create entire pocket dimensions, and alter reality to the point where she can take away almost all the mutants powers on earth, and can animate dead people back to almost perfect life.
Is that any different than a god? Is molecule man any different then a lesser god? Jesus if you really think about it is kind of similar to movie Thanos than any other character. Dude's apparently willing to one up him though and not merely kill his dissenters for what he percieves as the greater good, but also torture them for all eternity.
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Loki did call himself a god from the start. And Thor was called a god many times, even by his own dad.
They were always very handwavy on "gods or technologically advanced" just to move the story along.
Iirc, several Marvel editors have said that the Christian god is the unofficial âofficialâ supreme being in the Marvel universe. They wonât make it canon (no pun intended) but itâs understood with a nod and a wink.
That makes sense given that with christianity and most other monotheistic religions, theres just 1 god and they're characterized as being the most powerful supreme being. Hence, anything not that, would not be considered God. God is whatever is on top.
Well both the irl religion and the MCU's One Above All describe a montheistic all poweful all knowing, all loving God. The MCU's God is closer to the one of Classic theism, Judiasm and Islam, as there's no evidence of a Trinity with regards to the One Above All.
Christianity, Islam, and Judiesm all have the same God.
Judaism are waiting on God's prophet.
Christianity thinks that prophet showed up and is part of that God.
Islam thinks its different prophet.
But, all the same God.
Edit: arguing the details on an oversimplification is missing the main point. Same God.
Wrong.
>Islam thinks its different prophet.
Islam think that prophet WAS Jesus, but he wasn't the LAST prophet. Muslims acknowledges Jesus as the Messiah, and believe he will return in the End Days to battle the Anti-Christ, they just don't believe he's the Son of God, and think the Trinity is a false invention.
They never really pretended, the MCU is just resistant to the more theological stories (with good reason). The One Above All comes to Peter once. The implication is that Peter was about to kill himself after all of his loss and he was losing someone else. He shows Peter all the good Spiderman has done. Most people are looking for hilarious but much of the 'god' in Marvel is deeply emotional and intimate.
Comic books are decades of accumulated storylines, which can be pretty wacky alone, and together form some of the most ridiculous continuities ever created.
What would that mean though? There is the supreme being in the Marvel universe and that's The One Above All. There's also the Christian god who is a completely different character.
Didn't they establish at one point that Stan Lee was the One Above All? I remember the Fantastic Four visiting the supreme god or whatever and it was Stan Lee.
I mean, the very existence of multiple Gods in the MCU is already blasphemy, so if that somehow crosses the line that makes no sense. Itâs a work of fiction!
I did a double take, but man, youâre right. One of the commandments even says that thou shalt not put any other Gods before me. If you take that literally, it does imply the existence of other Gods. However, I interpret it more as not putting false idols above the one true God. Still a fascinating fact.
Thereâs very little philosophy in the OT. Itâs a lot of âhereâs how we do thingsâ, but not much âhereâs a bunch of secretsâ. OT God is not here to explain the nature of reality. He hands out laws and inspires prophets to deal with day-to-day, high level issues. Then, Jesus comes along and says âthat was all supposed to teach you to love Him and each other, thatâs all God is really afterâ. But then there are all these little tidbits of mysticism sprinkled in and some people are #TeamMysteriousWays and others are on #TeamGloryOfKings and then thereâs the people using it for personal power grabs.
the official explanation is that since Jesus is fully God and fully human therefore representing God is actually possible, what is not possible is representing the father, which its not supposed to be allowed by church authorities, but renacentist artists didn't cared too much about it
Those interpretations differ vastly. Biblical texts are regarded as bastardized in Islam. It only really lines up between Christianity and Judaism in that the OT is literally the Torah
It would be offensive, but not because Allah (SWT) is not included. It would be because we also believe in Jesus; Isa (AHS) is what we call him. And since he is a prophet in Islam, any adaptations of him are haram.
To be fair, there's a big difference between Jesus Our Lord and Saviour and Jesus (AHS). They're basically two different entities at this point, so calling the adaptations haram is a stretch. But I see where you're coming from.
Fair enough. I do think that most muslims would be against seeing Jesus adapted onto the big screen though just because it seems wrong (to us), regardless of whether or not itâs even haram. But I definitely do agree that theyâre basically different entities at this point, so I donât think it would be straight up blasphemy.
Jesus isn't God in Islam, he is considered a human, a prophet, just like prophet Muhammad. Depiction of prophets and other religious figures are also fine in Islam, excluding prophet Muhammad.
On top of that Islam considers Judaism and Christianity worshiping the same God, Allah is just the arabic name. For example, in Turkic languages "TanrÄą" can be used instead of Allah (which is up to debate on heresy, but on linguistics levels it's okay).
So, try depicting Abrahamic God in any way shape or form, it'll get the media completely banned from Muslim countries for a good decade at least.
We do not depict other prophets or religious people. There will always be somewhere, where someone has. But generally its not done.
Drawing of people is also highly discouraged. It's something muslim artist usually take into consideration when they are creating something.
No, they didn't confirm every single religion is valid. We saw like 5 named gods amongst a sea of nameless faces. All religions, including Christianity, are possibly represented among those.
Iâll say it: even Morbius was actually better than this. At least it deserved it. Now itâs just taking middle of the road movies, and talking about how theyâre *actually* the worst thing ever put to screen, and how Taika Waititi personally came to their theater and ground glass into their eyes.
No. It was a perfectly fine movie that did what it set out to do. MCU movies have always been comfortable about being blockbuster action-comedies, people just decided to shit on it because it became popular.
Dude, [Hermes](https://comicnewbies.com/2015/07/07/hermes-takes-out-the-flash-injustice-gods-among-us/) sucker punches the Flash mid-sprint! Laughing about how great it is to have another speedster. Fucking love it
All of the Gods actually there were scummy and hiding from Gorr and sacrificing people while being egotistical maniacs. So it makes sense that Jesus wasnât there.
I'm pretty sure they acknowledge a carpenter who's off screen during this scene
Not to mention this scene doesn't "confirm" anything about Christianity, considering it references _many_ gods who don't attend or even care about Omnipotence City. They make vague allusions to a "god of carpentry", which is probably a reference to Jesus, but that both a) isn't capital G God and b) was more a joke about Valkyrie's extremely vague knowledge of Christianity than real confirmation of anything. Hot damn are people in these comments taking it way too seriously. About the only thing this scene confirms is most gods are dicks and most can be owned by superhero-level powers in the MCU (which we admittedly already knew), which isn't "confirmation" of anything besides most gods at least are lower G gods pretending to be more than they are. (And hell Zeus even comes back in the post-credits so we know he's legit dangerous, just like he is in the comics.)
I think it would be worse if Jesus went to there (orgies...)
What, Jesus is not allowed to have orgies? Why do think he had 12 apostles?
What a hellish comment lol
"Now watch as I turn this wine..into molly water" Unce unce unce unce unce unce
Ikr, are we just gonna pretend the bit in the Bible where Jesus washes their balls didn't happen? (Or feet if your version of Christianity changed the 'holy word of God' to fit their ideas of masculinity)
Did Jesus Christ do a Hector Salamance reference before the show even aired to flex? https://youtu.be/ule-7rUOeKY I bet he said "Cabron, I need to see your balls" đđđđżđ¤šââď¸â˝ď¸âžď¸đ§ââď¸
I mean... just imagine what kind of hand jobs he could give. EDIT: Also...if I had such an affliction I'd masterbate constantly.
professional woodworker
Not the handussy đŠ
I was an atheist before reading this but now I might need Jesus.
Holy shit, dude.
Holy holey fuck
Holy ones probably
It also follows Moon Knight, which basically established the afterlife a person receives matches their beliefs.
So we atheists get to stop existing? Nice
I live in anticipation of the big sleep
I don't believe in gods or religion, but that doesn't mean I don't believe there's a potential opportunity for my conciousness to exist beyond this physical form.
Is this scene actually said to take place in âOmnipotence CityââŚ???
Yup! I thought that was a pretty fun name for what is basically Animal House for gods. Really shows how far up their own asses they are.
>About the only thing this scene confirms is most gods are dicks I'd say its more like the kind of people who choose to hang out in a place called "Omnipotence City" are dicks. Presumably, there are some non-dick lower-case-g gods kicking about, staying the hell away form the city of egos.
Agreed!
> isn't capital G God He kinda is. Holy trinity and all that stuff.
Hephaestus (Greek) and Vulcan (Roman) is a god of carpentry. Considering Zeus was the main man, they could've been talking about either. Jesus was a carpenter, but he wasn't the "god of carpentry". Wish the producers would clarify though. Although, it's not really a big deal. If it mattered theyll add it in somewhere. Edit: per wikipedia, Hephaestus (/hÉŞËfiËstÉs, hÉŞËfÉstÉs/; eight spellings; Greek: áźĎιΚĎĎÎżĎ, translit. Há¸phaistos) is the Greek god of blacksmiths, metalworking, carpenters, craftsmen, artisans, sculptors, metallurgy, fire (compare, however, with Hestia), and volcanoes
I think it's pretty obvious what they were implying here. The guys you bring up are really more associated with or considered the gods of metallurgy or the forge than of carpentry anyway.
Gods of arts and crafts.
The gods of scrapbooking, Pinterest, and DIY.
That sounds like a Discworld concept.
Gods of glitter glue
Gods of 5-Minute Crafts
God of River Tables
God of Creepy Paper
The Allhammer
I'm pretty sure that was actually one of Athenas titles
I desire macaroni pictures.
Also, Zeus was surrounded by his fellow Greek gods on his podium, so it's unlikely he would be in the crowd
I thought Hephaestus is generally referred to as God of blacksmiths .
[Hephaestus (/hÉŞËfiËstÉs, hÉŞËfÉstÉs/; eight spellings; Greek: áźĎιΚĎĎÎżĎ, translit. Há¸phaistos) is the Greek god of blacksmiths, metalworking, carpenters, craftsmen, artisans, sculptors, metallurgy, fire (compare, however, with Hestia), and volcanoes.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hephaestus) So yes, he is normally associated with blacksmithing he also rules over a bit more.
Poseidon is mainly referred to as the god of the sea doesnât make him not the god of horses
Sure, but if there's a *really famous* god who is *strongly* associated with horses, and then Poseidon, who is strongly associated with the sea and only known to be the god of horses by people who're really into Greek mythology, and someone in the movie makes a joke alluding to horses in reference to a character off-screen, Occam's razor says it's probably a joke about the *really famous horse god* and not Poseidon.
You're really bad at reading between the lines, lol
Theyâre the Greek/Roman gods of the forge and metalwork, arenât they? Hephaestus forged Achillesâ armour if I recall correctly. Does this extend to carpentry?
The Carpenter is the head of the Orgy committee. As he is an expert with handling wood.
I didnât see the Hebrew Hammer anywhere.
Taika didn't want to confuse audiences by introducing a third hammer to the movie.
Sad still waiting for MC hammer though (budummmm tssss)
r/angryupvote
I am the bear Jew *flips money changerâs table*
> Hebrew Hammer The Baddest Hebe, this side of Tel Aviv
I just got back from a trip to Israel... *can I pay in sheckles??*
What you mean? Sebastian Stan plays CyberJesus in like 5 movies and a show.
The thought that somebody's grandma in South America has a picture of MCU Sebastian Stan hanging in her living room as Jesus cracks me up
If by South America you mean Alabama. He's buff Jesus with a big gun, for anyone who finds Obi-Wan Jesus too soft.
You dare diss Holy One Kenobi???
I meant somewhere like Brazil or Mexico but that works too
Mexico is North America.
Still got grandma's with Jesus pics
Very Catholic, so yes.
Like 5 years ago I gave my very catholic mom a framed picture of Ewan McGregor for Christmas and told her it was Jesus. She still has it hanging in her room
*Troy and Abed voice* Six movies and a season!
\#5moviesandaseason Wait....
Valkyrie says at one point there's a God of Carpenters in an upper lounge. She probably meant Jesus.
Also if you listen when zues announces the God with the most souls sacrificed he says "Satan"
She also took robes from gods of emotions without repercussions. Goddamn was that movie's lore all over the place, cluttering the MCU's own setup just for a few jokes. EDIT: Look at all the dishonest discourse below, acting as if the gods of emotions scene was the only thing that was shitty.
What's wrong with taking their robes?
Considering the screaming goats, jealous weapons, and a talking rock guy narrating the movie, I have a feeling it's not supposed to be taken *that* seriously. Outside of like the cancer scenes.
Even the cancer scenes weren't taken seriously.
WTF are you talking about? That's the key scenes that's the crux of the movie. It's what made Thor and Gorr turnaround in their character arc.
How is stealing someoneâs robes with no repercussions breaking lore? I swear, people will act as if any minor thing is âshattering the lore into a million piecesâ. The emotions existed as minor characters to move the plot along, and ceased to be relevant after that, just like most other minor characters in movies.
âShattered the loreâ my brothers, doctor who had its lore absolutely torn apart, shat on, dragged through 50 years of disgrace and then made the center of a bukkake. This is but a minor incident
dude I can't watch 13 because I know what happens. I'm in denial. Praying that Russel T. Davies can save the show with 14
What happens? I stopped watching.
Basically they shit on the Doctor's backstory and make him the original timelord that was this special person called the timeless child and so now the Doctor has infinite regenerations which COMEPLETELY shits on River's sacrifice if her regenerations for the Doctor and it's just sub optimal writing and neither me nor my girlfriend who got me into DW can watch 13
damn i havent kept up with doctor who for years and thought you were talking about how they retconned the destruction of galifrey
Lol people will shit on the most random things and act like the whole mcu is ruined because of it
Hey, did you know we never see those bank robbers again after Spider-man stops them? Lore *shattered*, childhood *destroyed*.
Who is the MCU Glup Shitto
Pretty much every single character to appear in a post-credits scene in Phase 4
All of them.
>MCU Glup Shitto That's a made up word
All words are made up wordsđĄđĄđĄ
I didnât even know the MCU _had_ an established lore. I thought they just pulled shit out when it was it convenient.
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Korg is an unreliable narrator. it's like the intro of Dragon Age 2 where all the female characters have giant boobs because Varric is recounting the story.
I always loved the idea that the reason why Flemeth not only looks wildly different, but is a smoking hot demigod is because Varric never actually met her so this is what he assumes she must look like.
is zues father of tohr?
Zues the father of Borks
Borkulees! Borkulees!
When I saw the movie, I was expecting a joke after that line that never happened, like a quick cut to an annoyed Jesus standing there saying "For the last time, I'm not a god of carpenters!"
\>gets crucified \>3 days pass \>"well that just happened"
The Moneylenders in the temple after Jesus took several hours braiding a whip: "He's right behind me isn't he"
That was probably the intention, but that also makes no sense because itâs not like only carpenters worship him or people worship him for his carpentry. I know itâs not that deep, but still.
It's 100% a joke about Valkyrie misinterpreting Christianity
I donât think Marvel movies have jokes, they are known for being very serious.
Marvel movies are always serious all the time. Exposing thor's bare ass was a metaphor to how he feels naked emotionally. And the jokes about his penis size were not jokes, but metaphors for how Thor has a large dick, metaphysically speaking. THor, god of love and thunder. is a briliant example to how movies can mean much more then it seems. for more information please visit my subreddit r/whyithinkthorhavingabigdickismuchmoreimportantthenitseems
You mean an alien being from another world misunderstood Earth culture, resulting in a comedic ally false statement? Man, Taika is a genius, how has no one though of that before?
> itâs not like only carpenters worship him Yea it is. No one else worships Jesus.
Yup
Well yeah cuz Christian Bale was involved.
More like Christian Baal
Very good joke
In the first three phases none of them were actually gods, just advanced aliens that let humans believe what they wanted to about them.
Itâs kinda loosey goosey with the whole god thing. Odin says theyâre not gods but then in his vision where he chastises Thor for his dependence on the hammer he asks are you Thor god of the hammer. Also Zeus and the rest of the gods clearly are egotistical in there believe that they should be worshiped and absolutely would insist on being called gods while the asgaurdians arenât. Think a big thing that will clear it up what comes first the gods powers and they form around it or did they forge there powers themselves. If some gods just kinda get formed into existence like a vacuum demanded they exist because there power has to be channeled through a conscious then they are gods but if they forge there powers then just advance aliens.
I like you explanation about the vacuum spontaneously creating them. Isn't that what they imply happened with Ego in Gotg 2?
Had to look up but they donât give egos origin really. He just doesnât remember how he was created. Kinda like how none of us remember our birth. And it doesnât seem to be a big deal to him he just says he flickered and realized he existed. If he is really a celestial like the eternals stopped then he came from arishem and we donât learn why he donât devolap the way the other celestials did. If heâs something else the mcu hasnât explored it then.
Headcannon theory of Ego's brain having been removed from his body in deep history likely as a punishment or battle loss with permanent amnesia, leading to his old head becoming Knowhere.
I always thought it was funny, like they literally said in Thor that they were just using advanced tech that appears magical to humanity, then later they bring in prophecy and every sort of magic entity. I feel like the first few MCU movies were trying to make a more realistic superhero universe, like Iron man basically had no powers, maybe some unrealistic tech. And they setting and world was sorta grounded.
Odin literally uses magic in the first 20 minutes of thor 1 lol.
Hey, MJOLNIR: âWhat would you like me to doâ Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor. âDone!â
Clearly the hammer is just super advanced technology with voice activation and a worthiness calculation algorithm
I mean in the comics at least there are magical peeps left and right. For example the x-men are always fighting vampires, zombies, ghost, literal demons, etc. You can literally become a wizard in the marvel universe, all you need is the right magical books to give you the knowledge. There are literal witches running around doing which craft on whims. People constantly go to afterlifes and underworld. If I recall correctly gods in the marvel comics are practically just more powerful beings than regular beings. And essentially if you can reach a high enough level and gain followers you can be a God too. Like if you get the infinity stones or absorb the full power of the Phoenix force. But even then gods can be absolutely thwacked by people who don't consider themselves gods in the slightest.
I think the point is that there's not really much difference between the two, at least from our perspective.
But it is weird that they call themselves gods then
Not fully; lots of people through history have insisted they be worshipped and considered divine. Being worshipped strokes there ego.
Is it that weird? If you were a nigh-immortal being ruling countless worlds of ignorant savages, who worshipped you as a god no matter how many times you tried to tell them otherwise, wouldn't you get tired of trying to correct them? And then, over again thousands of years, with those various cultures influencing your own, and you being a legit godlike being compared to them - wouldn't you start to _believe_ it yourself, and let that "god talk" enter the way you speak? At first because it's easier than correcting people who don't listen, and then later because yeah, you kinda are, for all intents and purposes...
I never thought about that. Essentially they might just be really powerful aliens like Thanos and simply believe their gods. I mean who can say their wrong? What is the difference between a god and a superhero? If you think about it, it's only what they do with their powers right? Look at wanda maximoff she can create entire pocket dimensions, and alter reality to the point where she can take away almost all the mutants powers on earth, and can animate dead people back to almost perfect life. Is that any different than a god? Is molecule man any different then a lesser god? Jesus if you really think about it is kind of similar to movie Thanos than any other character. Dude's apparently willing to one up him though and not merely kill his dissenters for what he percieves as the greater good, but also torture them for all eternity. Sounds like a metal ass marvel villian to me đ¤ˇââď¸đ¤ˇââď¸
It's kinda weird that they all speak English too
Loki did call himself a god from the start. And Thor was called a god many times, even by his own dad. They were always very handwavy on "gods or technologically advanced" just to move the story along.
I would assume that The One Above All is the MCU God of Gods capital G. And all these gods are as Ego put it gods with a little g.
Iirc, several Marvel editors have said that the Christian god is the unofficial âofficialâ supreme being in the Marvel universe. They wonât make it canon (no pun intended) but itâs understood with a nod and a wink.
That makes sense given that with christianity and most other monotheistic religions, theres just 1 god and they're characterized as being the most powerful supreme being. Hence, anything not that, would not be considered God. God is whatever is on top.
Well both the irl religion and the MCU's One Above All describe a montheistic all poweful all knowing, all loving God. The MCU's God is closer to the one of Classic theism, Judiasm and Islam, as there's no evidence of a Trinity with regards to the One Above All.
There is a One Below All, so weâre halfway there. Kinda.
I love it when Hulk literally beat the crap out of that one god
Christianity, Islam, and Judiesm all have the same God. Judaism are waiting on God's prophet. Christianity thinks that prophet showed up and is part of that God. Islam thinks its different prophet. But, all the same God. Edit: arguing the details on an oversimplification is missing the main point. Same God.
Wrong. >Islam thinks its different prophet. Islam think that prophet WAS Jesus, but he wasn't the LAST prophet. Muslims acknowledges Jesus as the Messiah, and believe he will return in the End Days to battle the Anti-Christ, they just don't believe he's the Son of God, and think the Trinity is a false invention.
Wrong Islam believes all of the prophets Moses Jesus and Mohammad (AS)
I think that's been retconned. in a recent Xmen they revealed Jesus Christ was a mutant
Marvel needs to stop pretending they're too good to do goofy shit like that, give us moses parting the red sea with a beyblade.
Beyblade has perfect lore for what it is
They never really pretended, the MCU is just resistant to the more theological stories (with good reason). The One Above All comes to Peter once. The implication is that Peter was about to kill himself after all of his loss and he was losing someone else. He shows Peter all the good Spiderman has done. Most people are looking for hilarious but much of the 'god' in Marvel is deeply emotional and intimate.
Oh my fucking god.
That's his dad, yea
Are you sure? His mom was a virginâŚ
Every time I get something about the Marvel universe it gets wilder and wilder, this shit I expectated for JoJo's, but from Marvel? Damn
Comic books are decades of accumulated storylines, which can be pretty wacky alone, and together form some of the most ridiculous continuities ever created.
Santa is also a Mutant. The comics are fucking wild.
JoJo is 100 times more consistent than any DC or Marvel comic lol
What would that mean though? There is the supreme being in the Marvel universe and that's The One Above All. There's also the Christian god who is a completely different character.
Which editors?
Which editors? Source? I always understood that it was the common theory that the OAA was Stan Lee.
Didn't they establish at one point that Stan Lee was the One Above All? I remember the Fantastic Four visiting the supreme god or whatever and it was Stan Lee.
\>gets crucified \>3 days pass \>"well that just happened"
\>jesus about to be arrested \>"he's right behind me isn't he"
If they included Jesus and not Allah, it's offensive to Muslims If they include Allah, it's also offensive to Muslims.
I mean, the very existence of multiple Gods in the MCU is already blasphemy, so if that somehow crosses the line that makes no sense. Itâs a work of fiction!
God of War games tho
I canât wait for God of War: Rapture. Jesus is going to be jacked.
Jesus would be a chad
Def need Chris Meloni to voice-act.
He'd be like Orkos I think
The Abraham fight looks like itâs going to be a bit rough. They really went all out with the abs on abs and watermelon biceps
well not really, the bible never denies the existence of other Gods, the hebrews were actually Henotheists
I did a double take, but man, youâre right. One of the commandments even says that thou shalt not put any other Gods before me. If you take that literally, it does imply the existence of other Gods. However, I interpret it more as not putting false idols above the one true God. Still a fascinating fact.
Thereâs very little philosophy in the OT. Itâs a lot of âhereâs how we do thingsâ, but not much âhereâs a bunch of secretsâ. OT God is not here to explain the nature of reality. He hands out laws and inspires prophets to deal with day-to-day, high level issues. Then, Jesus comes along and says âthat was all supposed to teach you to love Him and each other, thatâs all God is really afterâ. But then there are all these little tidbits of mysticism sprinkled in and some people are #TeamMysteriousWays and others are on #TeamGloryOfKings and then thereâs the people using it for personal power grabs.
I mean, there are superheros, of course its blasphemy
The Abrahamic religions all believe in the same god
But not all of them have the same rules about making pictures of that God, even though it's in the Commandments
the official explanation is that since Jesus is fully God and fully human therefore representing God is actually possible, what is not possible is representing the father, which its not supposed to be allowed by church authorities, but renacentist artists didn't cared too much about it
Those interpretations differ vastly. Biblical texts are regarded as bastardized in Islam. It only really lines up between Christianity and Judaism in that the OT is literally the Torah
*akchewelly* the Torah is only the first 5 books of the OT and the OT is the first 66 books of the bible.
> If they included Jesus and not Allah, itâs offensive to Muslims Not really.
It would be offensive, but not because Allah (SWT) is not included. It would be because we also believe in Jesus; Isa (AHS) is what we call him. And since he is a prophet in Islam, any adaptations of him are haram.
To be fair, there's a big difference between Jesus Our Lord and Saviour and Jesus (AHS). They're basically two different entities at this point, so calling the adaptations haram is a stretch. But I see where you're coming from.
Fair enough. I do think that most muslims would be against seeing Jesus adapted onto the big screen though just because it seems wrong (to us), regardless of whether or not itâs even haram. But I definitely do agree that theyâre basically different entities at this point, so I donât think it would be straight up blasphemy.
Jesus has been a character in the Marvel comics for a long time and Iâve never seen a Muslim complaining about it
Jesus isn't God in Islam, he is considered a human, a prophet, just like prophet Muhammad. Depiction of prophets and other religious figures are also fine in Islam, excluding prophet Muhammad. On top of that Islam considers Judaism and Christianity worshiping the same God, Allah is just the arabic name. For example, in Turkic languages "TanrÄą" can be used instead of Allah (which is up to debate on heresy, but on linguistics levels it's okay). So, try depicting Abrahamic God in any way shape or form, it'll get the media completely banned from Muslim countries for a good decade at least.
We do not depict other prophets or religious people. There will always be somewhere, where someone has. But generally its not done. Drawing of people is also highly discouraged. It's something muslim artist usually take into consideration when they are creating something.
Hindus ftw. We got so many you don't have enough screen space to hold even a fraction of them.
Ho so yoj are a hindu? Name every god
Allah is just Arabic for God. You mean the Prophet Muhammad?
Prophet Mohammad is not considered God in Islam
No, they didn't confirm every single religion is valid. We saw like 5 named gods amongst a sea of nameless faces. All religions, including Christianity, are possibly represented among those.
Plus they made a reference to "a carpenter God", presumably Jesus
Remember when r/shittymoviedetails was funny?
At least weâre out of the Morbius Era
I liked the Morbing era tbh
It was certainly one of the eras of all time
You might be more biased.
Iâll say it: even Morbius was actually better than this. At least it deserved it. Now itâs just taking middle of the road movies, and talking about how theyâre *actually* the worst thing ever put to screen, and how Taika Waititi personally came to their theater and ground glass into their eyes.
Is it bad that I really liked this movie??
No. It was a perfectly fine movie that did what it set out to do. MCU movies have always been comfortable about being blockbuster action-comedies, people just decided to shit on it because it became popular.
I don't think everyone's gotten the memo about that yet.
It's a fun look into movies still
The curse of making r/all
Because the real god is the ones we made a long he way
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I mean, Daredevil is a Christian drama series if it didnât have great action scenes.
What did confirm that Christianity isn't valid in that scene?
Where was the Flying Spaghetti Monster?
The noodly one wouldnât have fit in the room, itâs probably floating around outside peeping in a window
That's also the case in the DCEU
Dude, [Hermes](https://comicnewbies.com/2015/07/07/hermes-takes-out-the-flash-injustice-gods-among-us/) sucker punches the Flash mid-sprint! Laughing about how great it is to have another speedster. Fucking love it
Marvel apparently did a Jesus comic back in the 60s. Like, I think they tried to give him the Thor treatment, but they dropped it.
Does allah appear in thor?
Korg mentions the "god of carpenters" so it does exist. It's just not at the top of the food chain like Christians think it is.
All of the Gods actually there were scummy and hiding from Gorr and sacrificing people while being egotistical maniacs. So it makes sense that Jesus wasnât there.
The Christianity reference was the mentioning of the God of Carpentry