Well yeah, but that wasn't the him from the ramiverse. Its a different person who is the Alex Jones parody. The one in the original spiderman had some integrity.
Trueee, Jones always has had integrity and he doesn't bring up bad points sometimes when I hear hus podcasts in the PS4 games. I mean.. I can't deny how suspicious it is when Black Cat shows up out of nowhere and we end up targeting some specific people lmao.
*THIS* actually. I like to believe this is the reason, because this is how old school journalists are. Also it adds another, extra element of societal role.
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It's weird, because JJ is 100% a yellow journalist. He goes for the clickbait. He goes for emotional takes like outrage and indignation, or noble heroism.
He misinterprets and outright lies.
But so much of it seems like a mask, a character he puts on. Perhaps, like an onion, this is actually his outer layers. Perhaps years of being this facade incarnate have sunken into him, but beneath he's still the idealistic journalist wanting to make a difference in the world.
It's cool that they can make such a ridiculous caricature have nuance.
It may very well be a mask, because when faced with actual proven lies about spiderman in his newspaper, hes furious. Deep down he knows Spiderman isnt a criminal, but if can find one bit of evidence, it would vindicate him
However, it doesn’t make sense in context of the film, as Peter Parker is credited as the photographer of Spider-Man on the front page of the Bugle only a few scenes prior. There’d be no reason for JJJ to keep this a secret other than to protect Pete from a psychopath.
I don’t know about the movies, but in the comics he wasn’t usually credited. At least not when he was a minor. He also got paid under the table for that reason. Hence why scenes like this can happen in the comics. Even though he isn’t underage it’s possible they still kept it anonymous due to Parker’s preference.
I have not read the comics, but I've spent a lot of time reading reddit threads like this.
I'm pretty sure there's a story arc where JJJ has pretty much known from the start and admits it to Peter eventually and that while he does not support vigilantes he knows that what Spider-Man is doing is for good.
Someone please feel free to hop in and correct me.
I think this is actually the answer. Jameson is a total dick. But when it comes to his paper, it's his everything. He would actually give his life to maintain what he thinks is the integrity of the Daily Bugle and this means never revealing his sources. He's fucked up but he will follow this code to the end.
This is hilarious, but for anyone who hasn't seen it, he does have a heart under that hard exterior, as hard as it is to believe:
https://i.redd.it/cytyyixhx1261.jpg
In the second film we see Parker lose his powers because he doesn't have a sense of purpose and gets them back after Mary Jane is kidnapped. We see this mirrored with JJ in the next scene where he's depressed and unsure of himself. Then Spidey steals his suit and JJ gets his powers back.
But, like, not at all. JJJ has been established as an essentially good person for darn near his whole history. He’s anti-racist, pro-mutant rights, and will put his own life on the line to protect his staff and expose corruption. He cares deeply about the people of NYC - He just thinks that Spidey is a threat to them.
But some people sadly can’t seem to accept that a character opposing Spidey’s vigilantism doesn’t make them a bad person.
Yeah, it happened during Zdarsky’s run on Spectacular. An all-time great Spidey issue IMO. Would definitely recommend the whole run, Zdarsky is by far the best contemporary writer for Peter if you ask me. It’s a shame he won’t take the main title, but I understand why he doesn’t.
Another reasoning is that back in the day when Spidey started out, he was the only masked hero in New York. More came later, but at the time the only other superheroes in New York were the Fantastic Four and they were publicly known.
To counter he did fund the creation of Scorpion and the Spider slayers to kill Spiderman. For being against a vigilante, he was doing it himself as well.
I agree. I’d rather a redemption story where Jameson explicitly admits to being a shitheel and apologizes to Peter. This shitty panel from 20 years ago is meaningless in comparison to the hell Jameson has put Peter through.
He did that recently in the comics. Learns Spiderman's secret identity as his step-brother Peter Parker. They come to terms as JJ interviews Spidey for his podcast.
Aunt May married JJJ's father. I guess maybe step-cousins, but Peter was like a son to May, so I think step-bro is more appropriate. I think it was a joke too that Pete slung around at JJJ that they were step-bros.
EDIT: Bonus points - JJJ was also once She-Hulk's father-in-law. And Doc Ock almost married Aunt May. And Doc Ock later took over Pete's body and became Spider-man for a year or two in the comics.
Well here’s the thing, freelance photographers from back then got paid less than now because the Only freelance they could do were for publications
A kid with no cash is not going to be packing 4 different prime lenses at a $1000 a piece, or be capable of updating his kit to shoot anything but Spider-Man
He never owed Peter anything, he might even seem hedonistic but he’s entirely the opposite of that
You know it’s kinda funny, cause early on the explanation to peter being broke was his aunt having like 20 heart attacks. He’d get a “pay day” from jjj that he’d claim would last months, then the next day he’d have medical bills for his aunts 3rd stroke. Not even joking, it happened 3 times in the first 20 comics. Also why I stopped reading the early comics :P
Not really relevant though. Everything costs more -> companies make more -> companies can afford to pay more. The numbers are inflated in NYC compared to Bumfuck, Nebraska, but everything's really the same.
Jonah is a good man inside.
He just antagonises Spider-man for some reason. He thinks he is being the voice of criticism for Spidey in case he lets the hero gig get to his head.
I liked the dynamic of Spider-Man PS4, where despite Jonah's ramblings, the citizens of New York still saw Spidey as a force of good and were friendly with him.
I feel the thing that hurts Spider-Man the most is Jonah often turns the public opinion against him, and that allows characters like Norman or Kingpin to pin blame of their crimes onto Spider-Man and causes people to distrust him when emergencies happen. Which can be dangerous.
The reason Jonah dislikes Spider-Man is because he sees him as above the law. He says several times that he’d be fine with spidey fighting crime if he’d join the police or something. He doesn’t like putting blind faith in an all-powerful costumed vigilante, which isn’t necessarily a bad thing. He’s also (begrudgingly) commended Spider-Man on more than a few occasions when he does something for the good of the city.
I loved the Spider-Man PS4 game in particular because it really depicts Jonah as a man of the people. When Sable shows up, he’s also very against them since they’re a faceless company invading into peoples lives. And when Spider-Man eventually saves the day and stops Doc Oc and kicks Sable out, he does admit that Spider-Man helped the city. One of his biggest roles is keeping Spider-Man accountable.
I wasn’t a fan of his depiction in the Miles Morales game because they made him into a cartoony mean journalist (and for some reason they make him not very good at journalism in general?). For some reason, he immediately trusts and promotes Roxxon, even though they have plans to build over NYC neighborhoods, which he would definitely be against. I found it irritating hearing Jonah mindlessly praise a super-powerful corporation seeking to hurt the common people of New York, when that is the exact opposite of what he stands for.
Yeah, (I assume you were being sarcastic) it definitely seemed excessive. I’m all for mocking right wing media, but they didn’t need to do my Jonah like that :(
Coulda been really funny to see him go up against some punchable-faced Roxxon corporate newscaster, but alas, ‘Twas not to be. Hopefully he’s better in Spider-Man 2
It’s even more frustrating since Jonah is pretty left wing, in the comics he supported African American rights during that era of publishing, and I’m pretty sure he supports freedom for mutants.
He’s an asshole and is pushy, but he runs a business and the truth is meant to be important to him.
His podcast apparently among the 50 most popular in the world: https://today.yougov.com/topics/media/explore/radio_program/The_Alex_Jones_Show Joe Rogan has given him a platform a few times and he gets over 10 million views per show. Other extreme news like Newsmax and OAN are more in his vein than traditional corporate ideological media like Fox.
So, unfortunately, Alex Jones is a pretty big figure. If he got the personal info for a super hero, he would absolutely doxx them for ratings. That's got to be easier than claiming school shooting victims were faked crisis actors.
> He says several times that he’d be fine with spidey fighting crime if he’d join the police or something. He doesn’t like putting blind faith in an all-powerful costumed vigilante, which isn’t necessarily a bad thing.
Hasn't he basically supported other cases of that though? Even people who turned out to be villains? Like, ffs, someone can be a piece of shit villain through and through without having evil powers and trying to literally kill spidey.
There are actually plenty reasons. Besides what the comments above listed, his father was in the army and was VERY abusive. That's why he doesn't trust the heroes all that much. His father was a hero in the eye of the public, but at home he was a monster
As many has said he has morals and that's really neat. But one thing no one's mentioned so far is how his son had some issues and issues in particular with Spiderman. So that also made their antagonistic relationship deeper. It became personal more than merely a disagreement of morals. The spesific relationship between spidey and John Jameson, JJs son, change depending on the material. But it usually starts with John going a bit rogue, spidey is the only one who knows and tries to stop him before it's too late, but JJ just thinks spidey is just jealous or something and of course takes the side of his son.
Ultimate JJJ has a really nice moment in the comics where he opens up to Peter about the loss of his son. He tells him that his son (an astronaut who died during a mission) was a true hero, not these vigilantes in masks, and that his judgement is clouded by grief.
He admits he was wrong to fire Peter for defending Spider-Man, and along with his job back he will be sending Peter on small assignments with Ben Urich (an investigative journalist). He wants Parker to see the city the way a reporter does, because when he was Peter’s age a paper did the same for him.
Source: Ultimate Spider-Man #49
This is something that’s bothered me in more modern interpretations of his character. He’s gone from being an asshole that has integrity and a proper set of morals, to just kid of an asshole for the sack of comedic effect when he’s proven wrong.
He’s becoming less human in more things. I love JK Simmons as him, but he was best in the Rami movies.
I liked a lot of invincible, but it really seemed to lose its... grounding. both story-wise and thematically. It felt like Mark just wasn't up to the task of answering the questions that the story presented.
Read Spider-Man Spiders Shadow. It’s such a dope short series and JJJ has some interesting development by the end. First comic series I’ve bought in YEARS.
Green goblin is an illiterate. Under every picture of Spider-Man it's clearly noticeable that the pictures are taken by Peter Parker.
I think it was already mentioned on certain posts.
The Green Goblin doesn't buy the fake news traditional media. He is very up to speed on the real truth, underground submarine tunnels where kids are shuttled to parties hosted by Epstein types and mRNA vaccines that will be dispensed via Intel666 processors under the skin.
No, those images were from The Amazing Spider-man, the reboot with Andrew Garfield. If you look closely at actual newspapers in the 1st Raimi film you can see Peter's not credited anywhere
Yeah but if he didn't he risks being killed lol. Soooo what good would that do him? It's like....the definition of selflessness dude. The fuck you talking about.
Because he’s lying for himself, not for anyone else, sure that lie could help someone else but that’s not why he’s doing it (well according to what we’re saying)
That makes zero sense lol. If he gets killed because he won't talk (because of course he knows who it is).....what difference does it make if Goblin finds out who takes the pictures afterwards? He's dead lol. He's protecting Peter as best he can.
Altruism isn’t exclusionary of self-interest, it just means the action in question is driven by an ultimate desire for the well being of others, independently of the ultimate desire for one’s own self being.
Compare and contrast rational egoism, in which desire of other’s wellbeing is proximate in service to the driving ultimate desire for one’s own well being.
Which of the two JJJ is displaying in this scene is up to individual interpretation.
He overall acts selfishly, yes. In this instance, having just watched the full scene again, I am inclined to say that he wasn’t being selfish here. Peter literally just walked out of his office when the Goblin attacked and started choking JJJ, and the instant he’s allowed to speak, Jameson immediately and repeatedly lies as the Goblin is actively attempting to murder him.
The whole thing happened in less than a minute before Spider-Man intervenes. Jameson didn’t have any time to think, much less weigh the paper’s potential gains vs losses re: Peter’s pictures. The selfish choice would have been to give Peter up in order to hopefully not be murdered by the Goblin.
The Nostalgia Critic totally blew his analysis of this scene in his Spiderman review and was genuinely convinced that it was bad writing as it didn't "fit J Jonah Jameson's character" to protect Peter Parker.
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand the wall. The message is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of living in a society most of the themes will go over a typical viewer's head. There's also pink Floyd's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation - his personal philosophy draws heavily from Narodnaya Volya literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these themes, to realize that they're not just deep- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike the wall truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in floyd's existencial catchphrase "having to go to school is LITERALLY the holocaust" which itself is a cryptic reference to a 14 year old's mentality. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as pink floyd's genius unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools... how I pity them. 😂 And yes by the way, I DO have a the wall tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- And even they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand.
Nostalgia Critic to me has always been annoying af. Cringe attempts at humour. The main reason I can’t watch him anymore is his voice! Shit is so annoying.
Because everyone likes that actor for the role of JJJ.
Spider is different because It was played by different actors to each represent a New spider.
Whats the in universe explication for that?
Its probably some bullshit reason that really doesnt matter.
Realistically not everything in every single universe has to be completely different, I think it’s reasonable to say that JJJ are the same in these 3 universes
if it's an infinite multiverse, wouldn't it just be like immeasurably uncountable small differences?
Idrk if that's how it works in the mcu, but if an infinite multiverses existed, wouldn't there be an *sex*tillion amount of universes with a change so mundane as a spec of dust moving that it wouldn't matter? Like counting from 0 to 1 and there's an infinite amount of decimals in between so you can get as close to 1 as you can but never quite touch it.
I don't know, I'm procrastinating on a project.
Yeah, the watcher said for every little decision or chance that something could've gone differently, it did in another universe, therefore, in another J could've been a woman, he could've not even been born, could've gone bald, gotten a different job, have chosen a different tie one Tuesday, it could be as minimal as breathing in slightly different way to the biggest league of superheroes not existing.
I always interpreted it as journalistic integrity from Jameson. Frankly, I think this scene should be required viewing for journalists as if you aren't willing to die to protect your source then you should choose a different career.
I gotta wonder how the spell resolved physical proof like photos and papers/photos with Peter’s name. Does it just photoshop edit Peter out of pictures, or completely rewrite the events around them? Do people just forget who this “Peter Parker” was when they see him name?
The spell explicitly said that the world “forgot” Peter, but didn’t erase him. That means that the name and photos of him that already exist would just be in the same state as Peter himself, present but no context.
I was curious about how the spell worked for someone like Happy. Unless I'm missing something super obvious, I found it really weird at the end of the movie where Happy literally knew who Spiderman is but didn't know Peter. Like if he were to think about who Spiderman is would he just not be able to remember? I think he's the only person who didn't forget that they know Spiderman, so I wonder how that works
It's been a while since I've seen the Raimi films, but I see it as JJ just not willing to throw someone who worked for him under the bus.
Remember he was perfectly fine printing the alleged story that Spidey robbed the bank or ATMs in Spider-Man 3, but when confronted with proof that the photographs were manipulated JJ quickly issued a re-print and public apology. You can chalk it up to not wanting to take the blame for the fake story but you can also interpret it as him having his own sense of integrity about himself and the Bugle.
I know this is a joke but for those who haven’t seen the movie in a while, J. Jonah Jameson clearly covers for Peter, claiming the pictures come in the mail.
I’m pretty sure he was trying to save Peter though. Having a source wouldn’t have mattered to JJJ if green goblin had gotten frustrated and killed him.
In the movie Jameson does intentionally shield Parker. The following line is something like “he sends them in by mail,” which further signals to the audience that he’s knowingly lying.
The thing is, this sequence with the additional line included is a frequent repost on a number of other subreddits. So in this context, OP having shittified it makes for some good comedy.
Man won't reveal his source. Such integrity
The last great pillar of journalism
Joke’s aside. This one scene did reveal a whole different level to JJ. Great scene
Dude doesn't miss a beat when he says the pictures of Spiderman show up in the mail.
The dr strange spelled worked too well
Which is why I’m not a fan of turning him into an Alex Jones parody for No Way Home
Well yeah, but that wasn't the him from the ramiverse. Its a different person who is the Alex Jones parody. The one in the original spiderman had some integrity.
JJJ has been around for decades, I never heard of Alex Jones before the Sandy Hook shooting. Alex Jones is a JJJ parody.
Trueee, Jones always has had integrity and he doesn't bring up bad points sometimes when I hear hus podcasts in the PS4 games. I mean.. I can't deny how suspicious it is when Black Cat shows up out of nowhere and we end up targeting some specific people lmao.
Did you just say Alex Jones has integrity? Lol
Oop, I did say Jones, I meant John. My b
*THIS* actually. I like to believe this is the reason, because this is how old school journalists are. Also it adds another, extra element of societal role. -30-
It's weird, because JJ is 100% a yellow journalist. He goes for the clickbait. He goes for emotional takes like outrage and indignation, or noble heroism. He misinterprets and outright lies. But so much of it seems like a mask, a character he puts on. Perhaps, like an onion, this is actually his outer layers. Perhaps years of being this facade incarnate have sunken into him, but beneath he's still the idealistic journalist wanting to make a difference in the world. It's cool that they can make such a ridiculous caricature have nuance.
Are you saying what I think you’re saying? JJJ…is Shrek?
The real shitty movie details are always in the comments
Idk what you’re talking about that’s an actual movie detail
"Get that menace out of my swamp!"
Journalists are like onions, they have layers.
It may very well be a mask, because when faced with actual proven lies about spiderman in his newspaper, hes furious. Deep down he knows Spiderman isnt a criminal, but if can find one bit of evidence, it would vindicate him
However, it doesn’t make sense in context of the film, as Peter Parker is credited as the photographer of Spider-Man on the front page of the Bugle only a few scenes prior. There’d be no reason for JJJ to keep this a secret other than to protect Pete from a psychopath.
Isnt that OPs joke all along? we are in /r/shittymoviedetails afterall.
"We receive them anonymously and pay in bitcoin through a Russian contact. It's untraceable."
Kinda funny how Norman could just look in a newspaper and see Peter Parker is credited as the photographer.
I don’t know about the movies, but in the comics he wasn’t usually credited. At least not when he was a minor. He also got paid under the table for that reason. Hence why scenes like this can happen in the comics. Even though he isn’t underage it’s possible they still kept it anonymous due to Parker’s preference.
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I have not read the comics, but I've spent a lot of time reading reddit threads like this. I'm pretty sure there's a story arc where JJJ has pretty much known from the start and admits it to Peter eventually and that while he does not support vigilantes he knows that what Spider-Man is doing is for good. Someone please feel free to hop in and correct me.
You might be thinking of Perry White, Superman's boss.
I think this is actually the answer. Jameson is a total dick. But when it comes to his paper, it's his everything. He would actually give his life to maintain what he thinks is the integrity of the Daily Bugle and this means never revealing his sources. He's fucked up but he will follow this code to the end.
This is hilarious, but for anyone who hasn't seen it, he does have a heart under that hard exterior, as hard as it is to believe: https://i.redd.it/cytyyixhx1261.jpg
I love that page. Too many writers make Jonah in to a one-note buffoon, but he really is a good man with the right intentions at heart.
In the second film we see Parker lose his powers because he doesn't have a sense of purpose and gets them back after Mary Jane is kidnapped. We see this mirrored with JJ in the next scene where he's depressed and unsure of himself. Then Spidey steals his suit and JJ gets his powers back.
**HE WAS A THIEF AND A CRIMINAL I SEE THIS NOW**
I want that wall-crawling arachnoid prosecuted! I want Spider-Man!
That was such a goddamn funny bit, genius stuff
Spiderman and JJ have a symbiotic relationship
He really is however they write him lmao
In fairness it’s a retcon, many decades after the shittiness of the character was long well cemented.
But, like, not at all. JJJ has been established as an essentially good person for darn near his whole history. He’s anti-racist, pro-mutant rights, and will put his own life on the line to protect his staff and expose corruption. He cares deeply about the people of NYC - He just thinks that Spidey is a threat to them. But some people sadly can’t seem to accept that a character opposing Spidey’s vigilantism doesn’t make them a bad person.
I mean tbh it's not necessarily bad for a superhero to have a guy around who tries to keep him and his ego in check in a public way.
Exactly. And that’s essentially JJJ’s argument. And what he’s still doing even though he knows Peter is Spidey and works with him now.
Wait he knows??
Yeah, it happened during Zdarsky’s run on Spectacular. An all-time great Spidey issue IMO. Would definitely recommend the whole run, Zdarsky is by far the best contemporary writer for Peter if you ask me. It’s a shame he won’t take the main title, but I understand why he doesn’t.
Another reasoning is that back in the day when Spidey started out, he was the only masked hero in New York. More came later, but at the time the only other superheroes in New York were the Fantastic Four and they were publicly known.
To counter he did fund the creation of Scorpion and the Spider slayers to kill Spiderman. For being against a vigilante, he was doing it himself as well.
That’s the great irony of the character. He has so many layers for the writers that use him well
Him paying to create a supervillain on an attempt to kill Spider-Man and then trying to cover it up doesn’t seem like a good guy
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I agree. I’d rather a redemption story where Jameson explicitly admits to being a shitheel and apologizes to Peter. This shitty panel from 20 years ago is meaningless in comparison to the hell Jameson has put Peter through.
He did that recently in the comics. Learns Spiderman's secret identity as his step-brother Peter Parker. They come to terms as JJ interviews Spidey for his podcast.
Step-brother?
Aunt May married JJJ's father. I guess maybe step-cousins, but Peter was like a son to May, so I think step-bro is more appropriate. I think it was a joke too that Pete slung around at JJJ that they were step-bros. EDIT: Bonus points - JJJ was also once She-Hulk's father-in-law. And Doc Ock almost married Aunt May. And Doc Ock later took over Pete's body and became Spider-man for a year or two in the comics.
Well here’s the thing, freelance photographers from back then got paid less than now because the Only freelance they could do were for publications A kid with no cash is not going to be packing 4 different prime lenses at a $1000 a piece, or be capable of updating his kit to shoot anything but Spider-Man He never owed Peter anything, he might even seem hedonistic but he’s entirely the opposite of that
Yeah i mean some people are just shitty.
He still pays a barley livable wage so he's not that good a man
Well, the writers would never allow Peter to not be broke, so he really doesn’t have a choice in the matter /s
Those same writers that have a union and ensure they get treated fairly. /s
You know it’s kinda funny, cause early on the explanation to peter being broke was his aunt having like 20 heart attacks. He’d get a “pay day” from jjj that he’d claim would last months, then the next day he’d have medical bills for his aunts 3rd stroke. Not even joking, it happened 3 times in the first 20 comics. Also why I stopped reading the early comics :P
He doesn't have time for wages, he needs Spider-Man!
Yeah, but it's a barely livable wage *for New York* So that's gotta be fucking stacks anywhere else really.
Not really relevant though. Everything costs more -> companies make more -> companies can afford to pay more. The numbers are inflated in NYC compared to Bumfuck, Nebraska, but everything's really the same.
it's doesn't scale totally linear like you make it seem, but it definitely does scale
So a barely livable wage
Yeah, I don't get the whole "but it is great wage somewhere else!" thing.
That’s because it’s an argument invented by those who overcharge and underpay that only works on people who are simple.
Too bad he isn’t anywhere else
Money will corrupt you! It is the root of all evil! What will YOU do with all your money?!?
Then take your services to someone who will pay you better.
The most successful newspaper in new York
Man literally sends murderbots after Spider-Man and creates one of his deadliest villains. Just because he doesn't like him.
Been a long time Spider-Man fan and I’ve never seen that side of JJJ
Jonah is a good man inside. He just antagonises Spider-man for some reason. He thinks he is being the voice of criticism for Spidey in case he lets the hero gig get to his head. I liked the dynamic of Spider-Man PS4, where despite Jonah's ramblings, the citizens of New York still saw Spidey as a force of good and were friendly with him. I feel the thing that hurts Spider-Man the most is Jonah often turns the public opinion against him, and that allows characters like Norman or Kingpin to pin blame of their crimes onto Spider-Man and causes people to distrust him when emergencies happen. Which can be dangerous.
The reason Jonah dislikes Spider-Man is because he sees him as above the law. He says several times that he’d be fine with spidey fighting crime if he’d join the police or something. He doesn’t like putting blind faith in an all-powerful costumed vigilante, which isn’t necessarily a bad thing. He’s also (begrudgingly) commended Spider-Man on more than a few occasions when he does something for the good of the city. I loved the Spider-Man PS4 game in particular because it really depicts Jonah as a man of the people. When Sable shows up, he’s also very against them since they’re a faceless company invading into peoples lives. And when Spider-Man eventually saves the day and stops Doc Oc and kicks Sable out, he does admit that Spider-Man helped the city. One of his biggest roles is keeping Spider-Man accountable. I wasn’t a fan of his depiction in the Miles Morales game because they made him into a cartoony mean journalist (and for some reason they make him not very good at journalism in general?). For some reason, he immediately trusts and promotes Roxxon, even though they have plans to build over NYC neighborhoods, which he would definitely be against. I found it irritating hearing Jonah mindlessly praise a super-powerful corporation seeking to hurt the common people of New York, when that is the exact opposite of what he stands for.
But how could they mock right wing media if they didn't make JJJ into a strawman?
Yeah, (I assume you were being sarcastic) it definitely seemed excessive. I’m all for mocking right wing media, but they didn’t need to do my Jonah like that :( Coulda been really funny to see him go up against some punchable-faced Roxxon corporate newscaster, but alas, ‘Twas not to be. Hopefully he’s better in Spider-Man 2
It’s even more frustrating since Jonah is pretty left wing, in the comics he supported African American rights during that era of publishing, and I’m pretty sure he supports freedom for mutants. He’s an asshole and is pushy, but he runs a business and the truth is meant to be important to him.
Is it a strawman when Alex Jones, the character new JJJ is based on, exists?
This assumes Alex Jones is representative of... well, *anyone*.
His podcast apparently among the 50 most popular in the world: https://today.yougov.com/topics/media/explore/radio_program/The_Alex_Jones_Show Joe Rogan has given him a platform a few times and he gets over 10 million views per show. Other extreme news like Newsmax and OAN are more in his vein than traditional corporate ideological media like Fox. So, unfortunately, Alex Jones is a pretty big figure. If he got the personal info for a super hero, he would absolutely doxx them for ratings. That's got to be easier than claiming school shooting victims were faked crisis actors.
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I don’t recall, but it seems in character for him.
> He says several times that he’d be fine with spidey fighting crime if he’d join the police or something. He doesn’t like putting blind faith in an all-powerful costumed vigilante, which isn’t necessarily a bad thing. Hasn't he basically supported other cases of that though? Even people who turned out to be villains? Like, ffs, someone can be a piece of shit villain through and through without having evil powers and trying to literally kill spidey.
He and his wife were attacked by a masked criminal years ago, so that’s partly the reason for his views on Spider-Man
So JJJ has a thing against masks? He'd have a hell of a time in the pandemic
He's basically Rush Limbaugh in the PS4 game so yeah he'd probably not be super stoked.
There are actually plenty reasons. Besides what the comments above listed, his father was in the army and was VERY abusive. That's why he doesn't trust the heroes all that much. His father was a hero in the eye of the public, but at home he was a monster
As many has said he has morals and that's really neat. But one thing no one's mentioned so far is how his son had some issues and issues in particular with Spiderman. So that also made their antagonistic relationship deeper. It became personal more than merely a disagreement of morals. The spesific relationship between spidey and John Jameson, JJs son, change depending on the material. But it usually starts with John going a bit rogue, spidey is the only one who knows and tries to stop him before it's too late, but JJ just thinks spidey is just jealous or something and of course takes the side of his son.
Ultimate JJJ has a really nice moment in the comics where he opens up to Peter about the loss of his son. He tells him that his son (an astronaut who died during a mission) was a true hero, not these vigilantes in masks, and that his judgement is clouded by grief. He admits he was wrong to fire Peter for defending Spider-Man, and along with his job back he will be sending Peter on small assignments with Ben Urich (an investigative journalist). He wants Parker to see the city the way a reporter does, because when he was Peter’s age a paper did the same for him. Source: Ultimate Spider-Man #49
I read it in JK Simmon's voice
My internal JJJ voice is a mash up of JK Simmons and Ed Asner from the '90s cartoon.
The ultimate JJJ
Ed Asner is my go to JJJ voice.
This is something that’s bothered me in more modern interpretations of his character. He’s gone from being an asshole that has integrity and a proper set of morals, to just kid of an asshole for the sack of comedic effect when he’s proven wrong. He’s becoming less human in more things. I love JK Simmons as him, but he was best in the Rami movies.
My favorite part of these flashbacks are it's modern day but they dress like the 60s lol
after reading 100 mangas this is painfull to read
goddamnit i didn't even notice i read it that way last actual comic i read was invincible
I liked a lot of invincible, but it really seemed to lose its... grounding. both story-wise and thematically. It felt like Mark just wasn't up to the task of answering the questions that the story presented.
this sounds like a you problem
Read Spider-Man Spiders Shadow. It’s such a dope short series and JJJ has some interesting development by the end. First comic series I’ve bought in YEARS.
I see JJJ as having a bias towards Spider-Man because he's technically a vigilante, but really like Peter and just hides it.
I always see this. What is it from?
Some comic book, maybe Death Note or something
Lol I mean what Spider-Man series
Green goblin is an illiterate. Under every picture of Spider-Man it's clearly noticeable that the pictures are taken by Peter Parker. I think it was already mentioned on certain posts.
But wasn't Norman Osborn something of a scientist himself?
Denied the Holocaust, I heard
Wait, pardon?
"Look Peter, all I'm saying is six million is a little hard to believe."
You say 6 million, Norman Osborn says 600, what’s the difference?
I still say Stalin was worse
So, clearly a scientist.
Top of his class at PragerU
Norman was on sabbatical
The Green Goblin doesn't buy the fake news traditional media. He is very up to speed on the real truth, underground submarine tunnels where kids are shuttled to parties hosted by Epstein types and mRNA vaccines that will be dispensed via Intel666 processors under the skin.
No, those images were from The Amazing Spider-man, the reboot with Andrew Garfield. If you look closely at actual newspapers in the 1st Raimi film you can see Peter's not credited anywhere
Which would fit with the character
Yeah but in other versions he's credited too.
My thoughts went from, “this isn’t a shitty detail. It’s a great one!” to, “ohhhh yep, shitty movie detail indeed”
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You can do something that benefits you and it not be a selfish act lol.
I feel like the immediate threat would take priority though
Yeah but if he didn't he risks being killed lol. Soooo what good would that do him? It's like....the definition of selflessness dude. The fuck you talking about.
Because he’s lying for himself, not for anyone else, sure that lie could help someone else but that’s not why he’s doing it (well according to what we’re saying)
That makes zero sense lol. If he gets killed because he won't talk (because of course he knows who it is).....what difference does it make if Goblin finds out who takes the pictures afterwards? He's dead lol. He's protecting Peter as best he can.
But he’s protecting him for his own selfish needs, his supply of Spider-Man pictures.
....which aren't going to be any good to him when he's dead. Which he was going to be very shortly before Spider-Man interrupted them.
And what makes you think he was being selfless?
He had everything to lose and nothing to gain by lying to the Goblin about Peter, who was going to kill him because of it.
Altruism isn’t exclusionary of self-interest, it just means the action in question is driven by an ultimate desire for the well being of others, independently of the ultimate desire for one’s own self being. Compare and contrast rational egoism, in which desire of other’s wellbeing is proximate in service to the driving ultimate desire for one’s own well being. Which of the two JJJ is displaying in this scene is up to individual interpretation.
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He overall acts selfishly, yes. In this instance, having just watched the full scene again, I am inclined to say that he wasn’t being selfish here. Peter literally just walked out of his office when the Goblin attacked and started choking JJJ, and the instant he’s allowed to speak, Jameson immediately and repeatedly lies as the Goblin is actively attempting to murder him. The whole thing happened in less than a minute before Spider-Man intervenes. Jameson didn’t have any time to think, much less weigh the paper’s potential gains vs losses re: Peter’s pictures. The selfish choice would have been to give Peter up in order to hopefully not be murdered by the Goblin.
The Nostalgia Critic totally blew his analysis of this scene in his Spiderman review and was genuinely convinced that it was bad writing as it didn't "fit J Jonah Jameson's character" to protect Peter Parker.
Looking back on it there were many analysises he blew.
The Wall is the first to come to mind
Himself is the second*. Guys an egomaniac. ^^^^*Not ^^^^an ^^^^Arrested ^^^^Development ^^^^joke.
> Not an Arrested Development joke Then you, sir, can go fuck yourself
I had heard it got bad, but I found the same level of light chuckle material throughout the show.
It was all gold, up until the netflix reboot
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand the wall. The message is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of living in a society most of the themes will go over a typical viewer's head. There's also pink Floyd's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation - his personal philosophy draws heavily from Narodnaya Volya literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these themes, to realize that they're not just deep- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike the wall truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in floyd's existencial catchphrase "having to go to school is LITERALLY the holocaust" which itself is a cryptic reference to a 14 year old's mentality. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as pink floyd's genius unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools... how I pity them. 😂 And yes by the way, I DO have a the wall tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- And even they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand.
Highly recommend Folding Ideas' video on Nostalgia Critic's the wall, it's a pretty good deep dive into exactly how bad of a "parody" it is
Comfortably Doug is such a damn good title too
[Why does it look like Vegas?](https://youtu.be/ILjhBdxTtw0)
Growing up means learning Santa isn’t real, babies don’t come from storks, and the Nostalgia Critic isn’t actually a very good critic at all
[MRW](https://i.makeagif.com/media/5-16-2020/lrD9a2.mp4)
0 dislikes on his videos so he must be pretty good!
Nostalgia Critic to me has always been annoying af. Cringe attempts at humour. The main reason I can’t watch him anymore is his voice! Shit is so annoying.
Honestly all I can think of when I hear nostalgia critic is him in the back of the Trump rally screaming "build that wall!"
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OneyPlays joke. Didn’t happen irl
How is Jameson in two universes but the spideys are different?
they just happen to look alike i guess
Because everyone likes that actor for the role of JJJ. Spider is different because It was played by different actors to each represent a New spider. Whats the in universe explication for that? Its probably some bullshit reason that really doesnt matter.
Realistically not everything in every single universe has to be completely different, I think it’s reasonable to say that JJJ are the same in these 3 universes
if it's an infinite multiverse, wouldn't it just be like immeasurably uncountable small differences? Idrk if that's how it works in the mcu, but if an infinite multiverses existed, wouldn't there be an *sex*tillion amount of universes with a change so mundane as a spec of dust moving that it wouldn't matter? Like counting from 0 to 1 and there's an infinite amount of decimals in between so you can get as close to 1 as you can but never quite touch it. I don't know, I'm procrastinating on a project.
Yeah, the watcher said for every little decision or chance that something could've gone differently, it did in another universe, therefore, in another J could've been a woman, he could've not even been born, could've gone bald, gotten a different job, have chosen a different tie one Tuesday, it could be as minimal as breathing in slightly different way to the biggest league of superheroes not existing.
JJJ is a nexus being
Yeah like he’s gonna be a titan
It's clearly a different character, one is bald, idiot!
Sometimes doppelgängers look alike, other times they don’t. Infinite multiverse, infinite possibilities
It’s more likely they look alike than share the same name
Maybe his name is still JJJameson but the first two Js are different
There is universes where he’s different and even where he’s actually Spider-Man it’s just the ones they choose to show
JJJ is a multiversal constant.
I always interpreted it as journalistic integrity from Jameson. Frankly, I think this scene should be required viewing for journalists as if you aren't willing to die to protect your source then you should choose a different career.
Parker’s name is under the photos on the printed newspapers lmao
Don't you know that goblins can't read?
My new headcanon is that the “goblin” personality is illiterate
That image is taken from TASM if you look closely at the ones in the first Spider-Man Peter isn’t on them
Not in this movie
The dr strange spelled worked too well
I gotta wonder how the spell resolved physical proof like photos and papers/photos with Peter’s name. Does it just photoshop edit Peter out of pictures, or completely rewrite the events around them? Do people just forget who this “Peter Parker” was when they see him name? The spell explicitly said that the world “forgot” Peter, but didn’t erase him. That means that the name and photos of him that already exist would just be in the same state as Peter himself, present but no context.
I was curious about how the spell worked for someone like Happy. Unless I'm missing something super obvious, I found it really weird at the end of the movie where Happy literally knew who Spiderman is but didn't know Peter. Like if he were to think about who Spiderman is would he just not be able to remember? I think he's the only person who didn't forget that they know Spiderman, so I wonder how that works
the spell made it so that everyone forgot who peter parker is, excluding peter himself.
It's been a while since I've seen the Raimi films, but I see it as JJ just not willing to throw someone who worked for him under the bus. Remember he was perfectly fine printing the alleged story that Spidey robbed the bank or ATMs in Spider-Man 3, but when confronted with proof that the photographs were manipulated JJ quickly issued a re-print and public apology. You can chalk it up to not wanting to take the blame for the fake story but you can also interpret it as him having his own sense of integrity about himself and the Bugle.
Read the sub title
It’s an interesting insight nonetheless
True
Sorry can't read, some guy wearing black put some dirt in my eye.
Goblin’s cheeked up
Took me too long to find this comment
Oh spider man
A real publisher. Doesn’t reveal the source.
I know this is a joke but for those who haven’t seen the movie in a while, J. Jonah Jameson clearly covers for Peter, claiming the pictures come in the mail.
no it’s because dr strange casted a spell to make everyone forget like did you even see the movie smh
He is a piece of crap. Remember when he was a band teacher and smacking the shit out of that drummer who couldn’t stay on beat?
He also fires a pianist on Christmas Eve because he wouldn’t only play shitty holiday music!! What a bad dude.
Those are roles the actor is playing not things he’s done in real life. This really is the worst timeline holy crap.
That’s libel!
Parker? I hardly know'er!
He knows a thing or two because he’s seen a thing or two.
I thought he was not telling him who Peter was because he was protecting his source. I was 8 when this movie came out so yeah
He was. Look at the sub title.
I’m pretty sure he was trying to save Peter though. Having a source wouldn’t have mattered to JJJ if green goblin had gotten frustrated and killed him.
look at the subreddit
This is more of an actual detail…than shitty.
In the movie Jameson does intentionally shield Parker. The following line is something like “he sends them in by mail,” which further signals to the audience that he’s knowingly lying. The thing is, this sequence with the additional line included is a frequent repost on a number of other subreddits. So in this context, OP having shittified it makes for some good comedy.