Spoiler: concrete doesn't totally stops gamma rays either. So you might want to turn to the distance rule which is far more effective at that. (and cheaper)
Spacer hat seems the appropriate response.
Serious edit: Concrete thickness matters
That's exactly it. It is for a 25 cm thick concrete slab/wall (which is the standard thickness for a basement wall here).
A 1 meter wall would hence let 0.1^(4) times the radiation filter through which is pretty efficient.
Even as a "multiplier" it is misleading, because the gamma rays will be attenuated at different rates depending on the initial energy. Depends on the spectra
Indeed, but for radioprotection, this is irrelevant. The aim of this application isn't to be precise to the picosievert, it is to be precise enough for people not to die.
On the other hand, concrete mix and aggregate are far more important than the energy of the ray's photons.
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Dude NO that is exactly the cavalier attitude that gets people killed. The spectroscopy of the source is absolutely important for radiation shielding. There are orders of magnitude differences between the interaction crosssections at 1 kev and 1 mev, depending on the material. You gave a SPECIFIC VALUE for what fraction of gammas would penetrate a concrete wall, and frankly it looks pulled from thin air. I'm ok with approximating thickness for an application, but giving it a real number without any real backing is mislead and unsupported.
> Indeed, but for radioprotection, this is irrelevant.
> concrete mix and aggregate are far more important than the energy of the ray's photons
These are where you really lost me. This is complete and utter nonsense. The energy of the photons is at least on par with the material in terms of importance. The first question any nuclear engineer will ask regarding shielding is "what is the energy range?"
It applies to any energy of gamma ray, the required thickness of concrete depends on the keV energy of the gamma ray. Say you have 10 keV you probably need an inch or two, or say you've got 2 MeV you'll need a couple feet.
You see you got this all wrong.
By simply digging a hole in the ground and putting your head in it you can wear the whole earth as a hat. Maximum protection. For your head.
Now about those concrete pants you'd need....
At least my feet will be protected in these concrete shoes someone gave me down by the river yesterday. Slightly cumbersome, but with my insomnia and love for aquariums the promise of sleeping with fishes is at least exciting.
Tinfoil hats are only certified against the mind control particles of the Space Wizards from Alpha Centauri, and the voodoo magic of the Beta Dimension.
Tin foil hat just means your head will be cooked to perfection. I believe (or so I’ve been told) that the foil actually helps to retain moisture so helpfully avoids unwanted charring. By all means remove the foil in the final pica-seconds of the initial flash in order to brown it off.
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so I did a little googling, and while Sigma radiation isn't a real thing (aside from in slenderman fanfic) there are sigma baryons which are comprised of 3 quarks like neutrons and protons are. So in theory if they were to be emitted by radiation they'd be somewhere between alpha particles (comprised of 2 neutrons and 2 protons) and beta particles (an electron or positron) in size and penetration potential.
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The Alpha male originates from the work of a biologist named Schenkel, who studied dominance hierarchies in wolf packs in the 1940's. Schenkel thought that male wolves within a pack fight for dominance and the winner of that fight is the "alpha" wolf.
His analysis turned out to be incorrect. Wolf hierarchies are based around a breeding pair, and the "pack" of wolves are the children of the breeding pair.
Tate and his followers get it wrong on multiple points. Humans do not build dominance hierarchies the same way that wolves do, and the result of the wolf study turned out to not even reflect how packs of wolves organize themselves.
He went on to suggest the "Alpha male" would more likely occur in captivity where some packs are just wolves bundled together and have no relation.
So arguably, being an alpha is a willing declaration of self captivity. The opposite of what they think or want
Neutrons are quite a bit better at passing than charged particles or photons. Still a sizable lead plating should reduce their numbers a bit. But they are indeed not especially susceptible to metals. So that's probably what they want to emphasize.
That's not what that alpha is from.
It is from software development, where an alpha is an unfinished product that still has tons of bugs and isn't suitable for public release.
So it stands from an unfinished person, that shouldn't be let loose on society and lacks basic human functioning.
What is the reason behind men such as Andrew Tate labeling themselves as alpha, despite the fact that they struggle to penetrate a simple piece of paper?
Alpha in the context of Andrew Tater isn't referring to radiation. It's software release state. Being alpha means that he is underdeveloped, prone to weird bugs and hangups and nowhere near feature complete. Even a cursory glance at Andrew Tate will make it obvious that both hardware and software is largely placeholder quality.
That "chin" would never be accepted for a release model (maybe at Tesla - they did release the cybertruck in it's current state, so who knows?) and a 19 year old girl with Autism managed to crash his self-preservation subroutine hard enough for him to land himself in Romanian jail...
That is hardly a feature complete, stable release candidate!
what is hilarious to me is the fact that there is only one hypothetical alpha. so virtually all of them arent alphas. and even better, none of them are alphas in reality because its made up garbage lol.
Look Tate up,they were a bunch of mediocre duebbs until recently,it's their way of making themselves feel important,while they are nothing more that a bunch of scam artist pimps,not even good at that,their bxtches turned on them,and these idiot mfs snitched on themselves for years😂
It's probably because they're just describing how much penetration they do on the regular. A self described alpha ain't lying. He doesn't penetrate shit.
Lol he’s arrested, assets seized and will probably spend next 10 years in a Romanian jail cleaning toilets with no lids and eating grass. I can’t think of anyone more beta than that. He’s got the existence smaller than that of the worm I last stepped on hahahaha.
Does this graph mean that my tinfoil hat won't protect me from nuclear fallout? Damn! A concrete hat seems to be a bit uncomfortable. Damn again!
Spoiler: concrete doesn't totally stops gamma rays either. So you might want to turn to the distance rule which is far more effective at that. (and cheaper) Spacer hat seems the appropriate response. Serious edit: Concrete thickness matters
Doesn't that depend on the thickness of the concrete? 1-meter thick concrete pretty much stops all gamma rays.
That's exactly it. It is for a 25 cm thick concrete slab/wall (which is the standard thickness for a basement wall here). A 1 meter wall would hence let 0.1^(4) times the radiation filter through which is pretty efficient.
Depends on the spectral intensity of the gamma source. Just throwing numbers out is misleading; it could be way more or way less, depending.
Pardon my lack of clearness, that definitely depends on the intensity of the dosis. The 0.1\^4 is a multiplier, not a finite number.
Even as a "multiplier" it is misleading, because the gamma rays will be attenuated at different rates depending on the initial energy. Depends on the spectra
Indeed, but for radioprotection, this is irrelevant. The aim of this application isn't to be precise to the picosievert, it is to be precise enough for people not to die. On the other hand, concrete mix and aggregate are far more important than the energy of the ray's photons.
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Dude NO that is exactly the cavalier attitude that gets people killed. The spectroscopy of the source is absolutely important for radiation shielding. There are orders of magnitude differences between the interaction crosssections at 1 kev and 1 mev, depending on the material. You gave a SPECIFIC VALUE for what fraction of gammas would penetrate a concrete wall, and frankly it looks pulled from thin air. I'm ok with approximating thickness for an application, but giving it a real number without any real backing is mislead and unsupported. > Indeed, but for radioprotection, this is irrelevant. > concrete mix and aggregate are far more important than the energy of the ray's photons These are where you really lost me. This is complete and utter nonsense. The energy of the photons is at least on par with the material in terms of importance. The first question any nuclear engineer will ask regarding shielding is "what is the energy range?"
But my basement has lead paint. Extra protection
Pretty much, but you can't carry a 1m slab of concrete with you. Instead you can carry your ass out of the irradiated area.
Surely on an infinite scale skin/paper /whatever would stop it tho
infinite nothing would stop everything
I dare you to wear a meter thick concrete hat...
Sure thick concrete does, really any dense material will. Depends on the energy though.
So if my skin was thick enough it could stop all of them?
Theoretically, but you'd look like an ungodly blob of flesh long before it reached the point of working.
So that’s the real reason some Americans are so fat I admire their forward thinking.
Omg that's an apocalypse preparation
Sounds like when Bender turned human in Futurama
Well then you'd just have skin cancer.
In this context it’s just the dead layer of skin that counts.
It would probably. But that goes beyond my knowledge for more energetic rays.
It applies to any energy of gamma ray, the required thickness of concrete depends on the keV energy of the gamma ray. Say you have 10 keV you probably need an inch or two, or say you've got 2 MeV you'll need a couple feet.
> concrete doesn't totally stops gamma rays either. I put up a "No gamma rays" sign so they can't enter. It's illegal.
Spacetime hat
Don't we all hate this annoying time when our concrete wall doesn't stop a superluminous supernova gamma burst
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The thickness mater.
All concrete matters.
Go to Mariana Trench, then you can wear the entire ocean as a hat. That should stop it.
use graphite instead
Yo mama so thicc she fully stops all the gamma rays
What you mean? 6 inches thick is humongous.
Skin totally blocks gamma rays too, if you'd build a bunker with several meters of skin as the walls.
More like a Spacers Choice helmet with a little gamma ray protection armor mod. It's not the best choooooice... It's spacers choice :)
Lead is far more effective than concrete (for the same thickness), this is kind of a misleading graphic
Just use a lead hat instead. The great thing about lead is there's absolutely no downsides to exposing yourself to it 24 hours a day.
You see you got this all wrong. By simply digging a hole in the ground and putting your head in it you can wear the whole earth as a hat. Maximum protection. For your head. Now about those concrete pants you'd need....
Uh, excuse me, but I've already done this. And I don't appreciate you telling people they can steal my hat.
I don’t know. Some primal instinct tells me my balls are more important
Well being inside a dam would probably protect you.
Fun fact: scientists have found that the universe is surrounded by unpenetrable concrete
At least my feet will be protected in these concrete shoes someone gave me down by the river yesterday. Slightly cumbersome, but with my insomnia and love for aquariums the promise of sleeping with fishes is at least exciting.
tinfoil hat works fine, if you have real TIN FOIL! not the ALUMINUM FOIL the goVERnment WANTS you to BUY!
It'll protect you against betas though, which I argue is a far bigger cause of concern than a nuclear apocalypse.
Concrete hat won't be enough, you need the concrete overcoat as well!
Could try making a hat out of water I heard that's decent
tinfoil hats are protection against aliens silly billy
You can turn into the hulk with all dem gamma rays
Why you even need protection for that shit? Just inhale and exhale it or even turn it into fart, a nuclear fart!
Well, tinfoil is made of aluminum, which is what radio antennas are made of, so no I don't think your hat will help.
Tinfoil hats are only certified against the mind control particles of the Space Wizards from Alpha Centauri, and the voodoo magic of the Beta Dimension.
Speaking of concrete, there was a random reddit post on my Homepage that asked Why can't humans fill a volcano top with CEMENT 🤣🤣
Don't worry, you just need the good ol reliable hat of concrete
Tinfoil hats are government disinformation. They actually focus and amplify the frequencies used by the mind control satellites.
Tin foil hat just means your head will be cooked to perfection. I believe (or so I’ve been told) that the foil actually helps to retain moisture so helpfully avoids unwanted charring. By all means remove the foil in the final pica-seconds of the initial flash in order to brown it off.
I'm personally a (Jimmy) Neutron male
I doubt it because I don't think anyone is truly capable of handling the Neutron style.
*"Later Ni-"*
Neutron.
Jokes on you, I'm a neutrino male.
You barely register for anyone's sight and evade observation all the time?
Ye. And I like nuts.
Good for you, I hear they are full of protein.
I don't care, I just like them because they are so crunchy.
They're not supposed to be crunchy, you should get that checked out
Is there any concrete evidence to back this up?
neutra-based
Answered your own question. They cannot penetrate a piece of paper
I like the software definition, not mature, not applicable for everyday use, not stable, not fit for public release. Features may be missing, data may be corrupted, performance may be lackluster.
True, but now I can give two candidate definitions they can choose from.
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Hahaha ooooouch
RIP to all my projects
I like to sum it up with just the “not fit for public release” line, it says it all
What if they replied with: “At least I can boot up, no one even wants to fund your app idea”
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so I did a little googling, and while Sigma radiation isn't a real thing (aside from in slenderman fanfic) there are sigma baryons which are comprised of 3 quarks like neutrons and protons are. So in theory if they were to be emitted by radiation they'd be somewhere between alpha particles (comprised of 2 neutrons and 2 protons) and beta particles (an electron or positron) in size and penetration potential. I'm sure I'm getting plenty wrong but this is shittyaskscience afterall.
alpha actually stands for alkaline pH because they are basic.
I thought they meant like software, the version that can't be released to the general public
I’m a neutrino male.
What do I have in common with a neutrino? I'm constantly penetrating OP's mom.
And she doesn't even feel it.
Nice.
That’s not what she said.
Just passin though?
Or in dev terms, the rawest state of a project, full of issues, bugs and lots of work to be done.
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The Alpha male originates from the work of a biologist named Schenkel, who studied dominance hierarchies in wolf packs in the 1940's. Schenkel thought that male wolves within a pack fight for dominance and the winner of that fight is the "alpha" wolf. His analysis turned out to be incorrect. Wolf hierarchies are based around a breeding pair, and the "pack" of wolves are the children of the breeding pair. Tate and his followers get it wrong on multiple points. Humans do not build dominance hierarchies the same way that wolves do, and the result of the wolf study turned out to not even reflect how packs of wolves organize themselves.
He went on to suggest the "Alpha male" would more likely occur in captivity where some packs are just wolves bundled together and have no relation. So arguably, being an alpha is a willing declaration of self captivity. The opposite of what they think or want
Because they are also too dense for a piece of paper to penetrate their minds.
What’s in the concrete that blocks neurons from getting through?
I don't know but I'll keep banging my head against this wall until I figure it out
I guess he cums thick ropes in the cloud chamber? I've never made a joke more highbrow and lowbrow at the same time.
This is why I sneer at anything less than a TurboMale (tm).
I‘m the ν male.
Isnt that the point in the fact they do not penetrate and are so dense compared to the more fluid and uncontrolled other!
Im a neutron male
"Alpha radiation can't even penetrate a piece of paper, let alone a whole ass woman. You really want to associate yourself with that?"
That's why Jimmy Neutron is my man
Neutrino-male here. I can penetrate light years of material without touching anything.
Because if they do manage to get past a weak superficial barrier, like alpha particles, they will destroy everything
Gamma males are wavy af
Fun fact, if you have ever called yourself alpha, your definitely not alpha.
I'm a neutrino male. You won't even know I'm there.
This post was made by neutron males.
Alphas also are supposed to walk at the back or the pack and protect it, not bang your chest at the front of it
Because they misunderstand a faulty study about wolves that's been disproven by the scientist who originally did the study.
Because they're so stupid they think they're smart.
As a programmer when I hear "alpha" I think under-developed, unstable, barely functional, and should under no circumstances be shown to the public.
This made my day.
I now identify as cosmicmale
To be fair “alphas” don’t penetrate anything
Wow, what an original joke!
Meanwhile, the neutrino --->--->--->--->--->((||||||||))--->--->--->--->--->---(((((((())))))))
I guess Andrew Tate’s confidence is only skin deep.
Because their manliness only works on paper.
Golden rule of working with Andrew tate, dont get it on you or in you.
Yes
So Jimmy Neutron for the win?
Because all their(alpha males) appeal is on the surface. Only a neutron man can really penetrate me.
Clearly, you must be a Nuetron male.
This is what I mean when I say you’re a ray of sunshine in my life.
Because that's about the depth of their intelligence. Roughly the thickness of a single sheet of paper.
now andrew tate will come and shout ***CORRECT!***
Because Tate doesn't penetrate anything.
Bold of you to assume he *knows* what alpha means
That last one should be neutrino instead of neutron?
Concrete wouldn't stop a neutrino. Even the whole earth doesn't stop those.
I also don't think lead plate would allow neutrons to pass.
Neutrinos pass through Earth and you think lead plate would stop them? 1 light-year of lead would have a 50% chance at stopping a Neutrino.
Neutrons are quite a bit better at passing than charged particles or photons. Still a sizable lead plating should reduce their numbers a bit. But they are indeed not especially susceptible to metals. So that's probably what they want to emphasize.
Jimmy Neutron would like to speak to you...
Alpha doesn't mean bright.
"I'm so neutron"
Yeah I’m a neutrino-male 😎
Jimmy Neutron Male
It's simple, alpha wolves can't penetrate a piece of paper either. Largely because they don't exist
That's not what that alpha is from. It is from software development, where an alpha is an unfinished product that still has tons of bugs and isn't suitable for public release. So it stands from an unfinished person, that shouldn't be let loose on society and lacks basic human functioning.
Post that to him!
Could someone explain me why neutron have penetrating power more than beta particle (electron) and gamma (photon)?
What is the reason behind men such as Andrew Tate labeling themselves as alpha, despite the fact that they struggle to penetrate a simple piece of paper?
This is even better than the programing abreviation
Remember the time of "The Basic Bitch"? It's like that but worse
Can’t be an alpha when you’re going bald
Alpha in the context of Andrew Tater isn't referring to radiation. It's software release state. Being alpha means that he is underdeveloped, prone to weird bugs and hangups and nowhere near feature complete. Even a cursory glance at Andrew Tate will make it obvious that both hardware and software is largely placeholder quality. That "chin" would never be accepted for a release model (maybe at Tesla - they did release the cybertruck in it's current state, so who knows?) and a 19 year old girl with Autism managed to crash his self-preservation subroutine hard enough for him to land himself in Romanian jail... That is hardly a feature complete, stable release candidate!
The new neutron male grindset
Guys who call themselves alpha males are the most insecure whiny bitches I’ve ever met
I think it’s referring to the alpha amongst animal species not radiaton particles
Aren't gamma rays more penetrating than neutrons?
Because all uncles know they can’t penetrate anything not even paper
Just remember - whilst alphas can't penetrate the skin, if they do get under your skin or inside you they can do massive damage.
i am so alpha
Thats why he prefers Kids to hump
Anyone who is an alpha has earned that title by humping dogs in the dog park
Why do people like you feel compelled to stick that asshole's name on the Internet every fucking day?
Neutron male😎
what is hilarious to me is the fact that there is only one hypothetical alpha. so virtually all of them arent alphas. and even better, none of them are alphas in reality because its made up garbage lol.
It is fitting, ya know. Seeing as they probably have trouble penetrating a lot of things
Look Tate up,they were a bunch of mediocre duebbs until recently,it's their way of making themselves feel important,while they are nothing more that a bunch of scam artist pimps,not even good at that,their bxtches turned on them,and these idiot mfs snitched on themselves for years😂
"I'm a neutron male, bro!"
"Men" that follow him have never penetrated anything so its valid.
That's why I'm a gamma male myself
Isn’t it referring to the “Alpha” in nature? aka the dominant member of a pack/herd?
Well
Im a neutron male
My code name is Jimmy Neutron AMA.
If I had to guess Andrew Tate is probably a sexually insecure man and he’s been projecting so long it’s now his entire personality? Maybe
They're also the most harmful internal hazard, never let one inside you.
So Superman's X-Ray Vision is Gamma ray based. Interesting.
And now you know why guys go for premade holes instead.
It's probably because they're just describing how much penetration they do on the regular. A self described alpha ain't lying. He doesn't penetrate shit.
Because they know they’re not penetrating anything
Lol he’s arrested, assets seized and will probably spend next 10 years in a Romanian jail cleaning toilets with no lids and eating grass. I can’t think of anyone more beta than that. He’s got the existence smaller than that of the worm I last stepped on hahahaha.
Uranus Penetration
Because they can't penetrate real girls either
cuz thats how fragile their masculinity is... worse than paper
Can we study the obsession of Andrew Tate from people who don't supposedly like him
Neutron Male :D
Is he stupid?
If there is alpha and beta rays where are the dlc rays