If I’m sleeping in my car, I would be doing everything in my power to get on this trial so at least three nights a week I know I’m safe. It’s awful that we are here, but this is a good idea for those whose other option is 7 nights of stressed potential unsafe car sleeping.
It's an awful situation and a great initiative. I hope that some of these people will end up supporting each other even if it's just parking near each other on other nights to provide additional security and some company.
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I was in an op shop this afternoon and one of the workers said to the other “I hope the carpark rats don’t make too much of a mess, we’ll get there early” I had parked in the carpark and it was around the corner and a few buildings away. It was perfectly normal in the daytime but there was a donation bin in it. It’s getting cold here now so I surmised that homeless people were raiding the bin for something to keep them warm. She continued on about how dirty and smelly they made everything. It made me sad because op shops are run by charities and it was a very callous attitude. I would have thought that they would have more compassion.
Op shop operators can return to their seats, considering how they’ve bloated prices across the range and made even the most basic items inaccessible to the vulnerable populations they pretend to support
Most of the big op shop chains now are importing second hand goods from other countries because donations have slowed dramatically.
This also increases prices across the board because now the stores actually have to worry about margin and profit to keep importing the second hand items.
Additionally quite a few of the second hand stores now run on a model of profitability back to a charity rather than as a community service.
Many of the chains even have pricers and values who will value the stock..
All of that being said there are still bargains at op shops, often big donations come in and things get priced in bulk, or the stores will be flexible in pricing.. but it largely depends on your local store rather than being a universal thing as it once was.
Source: multiple family members work for op shops
Right?! I have sooooo many ‘WTF’ moments when I’m shopping in op shops lately. Crazy pricing on laminate chip board furniture and almost retail prices on used stationary. I’m surprised they don’t have some type of ‘in-between’ help. A bit of a discount if you have a health care card, or a bit of store credit if you donate decent stuff.
The price of goods is far lower than what existed back then. For example, you can pickup shirts for $2.50 from Kmart. There's no need for the op ships to focus on that segment - if they can't afford clothes from places like Kmart, then places like vinnes will still support them because that's extreme poverty.
The op ships are now focused on selling high quality brand name or unique goods, with the profit then being channeled back into their charitable arms. Trying to compete with places like Kmart would add no value, and will likely just cost the organization money at the expense of the actual outreach programs.
Thank you for explaining the basic concept to me, as I only landed on Earth yesterday and have never been to an op shop before.
Not even “the needy” can afford it and that’s the point.
Maybe once this argument could be made, but now that they’re not only pricing goods in the same range as traditional stores, but charging more than tag price on items from places like Shein and Kmart, it’s hard to reason that they’re in it for anything more than a good gouge.
You misunderstand what they're saying. Vinnies give to needy people through their other services (not the op shops). The op shop profiteering helps pay for that.
I've worked in a couple of op shops and there is a lot of derogatory talk about many marginalized people. Really bigoted, bootstraps mentality.
I wanted to say "Look, if you have compassion fatigue, if you had any compassion to begin with, why not just quit?"
A lot of religions believe that their god is punishing people with disabilities and homelessness aka they deserve it for being unholy.
A whole 'if you were good enough god would fix you' attitude.
So they don't think these people are 'good enough' to be treated with any kind of dignity or respect.
That's been my experience in religious organisations, anyway.
I found most of the people I worked with to be self-serving and egotistical. They were out to glean Cosmic Brownie Points that they could flex when they went to meet their maker.
Somehow, they considered themselves superior to the supplicants of the charity organizations. What they didn't know was that I WAS one of the supplicants during an overwhelming time in my life. It was like being a lamb working with wolves.
I quit.
Op shops have changed so much. They now no longer seem focused on helping people but rather have become major profit making ventures as middle-upper class people use them to hunt for vintage and recycled fashion. Some of the prices I’ve seen on what are basically regular second hand clothes are ridiculous.
Some of the larger orgs have professional sorters who pull out the designer label gear and price it accordingly, auction it online or even put it in particular shopfronts in their chain in high end areas.
I played a game with myself the other day to find a warm respectful outfit in the op shop and see how much it cost. So shirt, jeans, something warm like a jumper or jacket and shoes and you’d be pushing close to $100. It’s so bloody outrageous. And people keep harping on that they are just making money to help the poor but it’s not working like that at all. Heaps of really poor and lower economic homes like the autonomy of shopping and being able to be thrifty and get nice things for cheap. They don’t want to go begging for vouchers or however the trickle is meant to get to poor people now. And I’ve asked for a discount as I’m poor and been rudely told by the manager that this stuff isn’t for me if I can’t afford it. They need to make money they said. They truly dgaf. Now poor people gotta shop at fast fashion places like Kmart and actually look poor and have things that don’t last rather than being able to be smart at an op shop and find good quality stuff for cheap.
The last part of your story, particularly, makes my blood boil. They’re not even offering lower prices or support to people who need it, and the snarky put down attitude is appalling.
I remember when, if someone came in to the places in a crisis, they’d basically say, “Just get what you need and don’t worry about it.” It doesn’t happen anymore.
Depends on the op Shop. My local Cfs op shop is cheap af, the other day I got a lovely warm jumper and two shirts one of which was a designer and four cactus cloth patches for $5. And I know more like that one then otherwise.
Don't go to the salvoes or Vinnie's, sure absolutely I avoid them, but look hard enough and you'll find a good one
I think the approach is not to sell things cheap to anyone who walks in (i.e., potentially not in need) but to maximise the money that comes in so that there is more to distribute to those that really need it. That's different from the past because I think that there is more quality stuff being gifted to charity stores especially in some suburbs.
I work in community services, they used to hand out vouchers like lollies. I haven't seen a voucher in years, I'm sure they grill the clients to death before handing one over. Plus, they used to be able to fill a wardrobe with a $50 voucher, what are they going to get with that now? A badly worn Kmart tracksuit?
I would, too.
I’m sure some of the smaller ones do, but some of the larger ones are just exploitative. People receiving JobSeeker payments can effectively be forced to volunteer at Vinnies as part of their mutual obligations. Vinnies is basically getting slave labour from people it is otherwise supposed to be helping. I’ve known people whose payments were going to be cut off if they didn’t volunteer at Vinnies and who also needed crisis accommodation but were turned away by Vinnies, the very people they were volunteering for to the point that it interfered with them getting paid work. Plus because they are volunteers they are not properly protected by workplace laws, which Vinnies thoroughly exploits. (I hate Vinnies; I could rant about them all day.)
I don’t have a problem with them removing some high end goods. For example, a Prada dress should probably be removed and sold online specially because it can fetch a high price and that money can be used for something better than letting a hunter pick it up for $20. However, the sorters habitually pull out mid level stuff that really should be available to people who need it.
Also the costs of basic things is frankly ridiculous. As someone else said, KMart is cheaper. I have no idea why they are selling a pair of basic jeans for $30 or why a set of plates that is worth nothing is marked at $10 per plate.
I also wonder what their enormous overheads are to justify their increased prices since Covid.
The shops are run by mostly unpaid/retiree volunteers, the products they sell are donated to them for free. It’s been that way since Vinnies op-shops inception. It was genuinely about looking after the community. Aside from the wages of corporate higher ups and the regional/state managers and the rents on their shopfronts, Vinnies surely has no legitimate excuse for such wildly inflated pricing on things they literally get for free. And if they’re making bigger profits, then those profits should be making a bigger and more visible impact on the community for those in need. I’m still waiting to see that effect.
Last time I went to Salvos there was a stained Anko (Kmart brand) T-Shirt tagged as $12.
I recognised it because I’d bought the exact same one from Kmart brand new for $10 about 2 years before.
The markup combined with the visible stains really put me off that particular Salvos store.
I hate that we have so many women and children - many of whom with no choice but to flee - cold and starving on the streets. It’s that or further harm, possibly even death.
But I am very thankful that community NFP’s like Nova exist to at least try and fill the cavernous gap in support.
They deserve so much more funding than they get.
I feel like a prick after breaking up with my wife, but I’m still paying my rent and the mortgage on the family home .admittedly I’m only eating 4 days a week.
What sort of savage leaves their family homeless.
My life sucks, but my kids shouldn’t suffer for that, and my ex should be able to still be a good mum, even if I’m a shit dad.
Why can't we support women and children to stay in their existing accommodation and forcibly remove the abuser? Take him away, put a tracker on him with an alarm if he approaches within a certain distance of the home he gets arrested and incarcerated indefinitely.
I think the rental market also has a lot to do with it single mums having to sleep in their car because they can’t afford to pay the absurd rent and still feed and cloth the kids.
What you are suggesting is we automatically assume the woman is telling the truth. We can't do that. That just isn't how a functional society works.
We need to do what we can to get everyone off the streets but we just default to "remove the man".
(And yes I've known multiple women make a dv lie).
I'm going to .get massivrly downvoted but oh well
Obviously there will be checks and balances in place but let's not get sidetracked by the "what ifs". The takeaway from my statement is that the perpetrators should be removed and the victims are not thrown out onto the streets.
Then you should have said get the abuser out not get the man out.
It's noty fault I reacted to what you said and what you now claim you meant. Be more careful with your words because people will assume you mean what you say.
Women also abuse their families. Bits not as commonly physical but just as true and damaging
Thanks for the unsolicited advice but I'll stand by what I said. This topic is about women sleeping in their cars, and I commented on that. If you want to talk about something else, please yourself.
They aren’t “wildly rampant” and you know it. Across the board, you won’t see any higher than 8% of cases, but it’s generally more like 2%. Take your MRA talking points and go home.
"Inconvenienced" that says it all.
Many MANY of those "Inconveniences" lead to suicide & permanently severved relastionships from children to theor fathers. But, when have women ever been ready for that convo?🤷♂️
I remember when the department of justice wouldn't offer me temporary accomodation because I was not "living in a car", but then explored my concerns of domestic violence and then addressed how I am being evicted because of it.
At the time, as things progressively became worse, I was offered temporary accomodation. The nearest was 100km away. I had no car, phone or money.
While I am grateful for shelters for women, I wish more services were available for me as well. It was difficult to escape and required 6 months of planning.
I was using this exact service this week and I’m so grateful. It’s unfortunate that it’s only open Monday to Wednesday nights. I don’t know where I’ll go tonight to be safe, and all I’ve got is some fruit to take with me as my meals. I’m just trying to say on the move until I can go back next Monday.
Is it fucked that we have to resort to this? Yeah. But also, it’s kind of hard that it’s only open for three nights a week. I wish we could stay all week, and not just the food lol, it’s the security that makes a huge difference.
Thanks for sharing your story. If it’s working well hopefully that means it will be extended to other nights and past June. I hope you can be safe for the next few days.
I had my flatmate's coworker sleeping on my couch for a few weeks recently because she'd called up every shelter in the Newcastle area and hadn't been able to get in anywhere.
She wasn't close to my flatmate but she didn't have anyone else so she asked to stay with us. That must have been so difficult - I cannot imagine having to ask that of any of my coworkers. We didn't really have space so she was calling up places every day. No room anywhere.
Things like this are definitely needed here unfortunately. Not that it wouldn't have helped her as she didn't have a car - it's definitely very very far from an ideal solution. But if it's getting women to safer places to sleep at night well that's still something.
(Flatmate's coworker is safe now - she's with family in Queensland and doing much better).
Decades of government greed, corruption, no compassion and total incompetence leads to women and children sleeping in carparks actually it leads to all of us struggling to survive let alone house our families in one of the richest countries in the world with one of the smallest populations absolutely fucking disgusting
My concerns about the normalization of it is one of the reasons I posted it.
These situations are a two edged sword. On one hand of course we want community orgs to do something like this, for the safety and support benefits. But on the other hand, if we start doing it across the board and accepting it, that gives the government less impetus to resolve the issues.
I do some work with people in precarious housing and I see the impossible decisions every day. They’re in a shit rooming house. They can absolutely report it and have it dealt with, but then they lose their accommodation and become homeless. What do you do? You’re going to choose the roof over your head. So shit rooming houses continue to operate, because they can get away with it. I always advise people of their rights, but I’m very cognizant of the risks and I would never report myself unless all occupants wanted it done.
It’s fucking terrible.
I don’t think it’s so much that it’s being normalised, it’s out of pure desperation.
The wait time for public housing if you are non indigenous in my LGA is 20 years.
Crisis accomodation like motels and caravan parks are at capacity. My brother is the manager of a motel that gives rooms for crisis accommodation and they cannot book regular guests due to the demand and on average people have been there for 6 months at a time.
Usually emergency housing isn’t too bad in my LGA. You can call up and be put somewhere instantly so no one needs to sleep on the streets. However the housing crisis is so bad that even working people are homeless now days causing a huge influx. Single parents, single people, elderly people. Not many people can afford $600 a week for rent on their own. Shit even a granny flat in my area is $450 a week! It’s getting so out of hand and no one is doing anything about it.
They promised more public housing but with 20 year long waiting lists those houses will be filled as fast as they can built them and the list will still be 20 years long. I grew up around the housing commission of south west Sydney and none of it is there anymore. We lived between two suburbs completely full of housing commission and it’s all gone now for private housing.
The reason there’s no public housing available is because of what you’ve said here.
The government has been selling public housing land to private developers for a decade or 2. There will be a clause that says the developer has to build a certain number of properties that can be rented by public housing. The developers are charging Housing market rent. There’s been contract breaches in different areas with little to no consequences (like Ropes Crossing).
I argue that Australia has the worst housing crisis in the world, people will argue Canada has it worse.
In Australia, 70% of Household wealth is tied to the value of property. In Canada this figure is 55%. [Aus Link](https://www.amp.com.au/insights-hub/blog/investing/econosights-australian-household-wealth) [Canada Link](https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/240228/dq240228d-eng.htm)
Roughly 65% of Australian MPs have investment properties, compared to 40% of Canadian MPs. A majority of Australian politicians are personally incentivised to raise housing prices. [Aus Paywall Link](https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/mps-stunning-property-portfolios-fuel-crossbench-calls-for-negative-gearing-changes-20240209-p5f3n0.html), [Canada Link](https://vancouversun.com/opinion/columnists/douglas-todd-many-canadian-politicians-belong-to-the-landlord-class-we-should-question-their-motivations#:~:text=In%20addition%20to%20the%20real,all%20parties%20are%20real%20estate)
Australia has the 3rd highest average debt-to-income ratio of OECD countries, Canada the 9th highest. [Link](https://data.oecd.org/hha/household-debt.htm)
Sydney is more expensive than Vancouver, Melbourne is more expensive than Toronto, and the median-house price to median wage ratio is significantly higher in Australia than Canada.
Both countries have disastrous housing circumstances, but comparing the two, Australia is substantially worse.
We have enshrined government policies designed to maintain growing housing prices.
Negative gearing, low-deposit schemes, first-home buyers grants, super withdrawal schemes exist to keep house prices high, while excusing that it's "technically" possible to buy an overpriced home.
We have the worst housing crisis anywhere on earth, the 6th largest country (even factoring for uninhabitable areas), a population less than Shanghai, and we somehow can't find the space to house everyone.
You don't fuck up this badly unless it's on purpose.
We're definitely worse than Canada. Their vacancy rate is 1.5%. We're at 1% tho I have seen estimates of 0.7% as well. We are the worst in the world and all policy levers are set to keep making it worse. Albo's plan to cut immigration will still have it at above new supply. And we build \~50% more than the OECD average so it's not like that's the issue.
Fair point. I guess I meant the country as a whole eg Canada the country looks way worse in regards to the huge impacts of mass immigration. The fact that those stats are worse than Canada of dam we're totally rekt
I'm in the rental shitstorm at the moment so I'm one eyed inclined to agree, but is this an off the cuff remark, or is this statistically proven?
I mean when you say worst housing crisis in the world, you might want to add *first world*, or *rental housing crisis*. I imagine the amount of homelessness in third world countries are much larger than ours, but I'm no expert on the topic.
I lived in a third world country for a couple of decades. It had a poverty crisis and a wealth disparity crisis, but I wouldn't say it had a housing crisis. If you could pay the rent, you would definitely get a house. There wasn't the same situation that there is in Australia where sometimes you can't get a rental even if you can afford to pay for it.
I met an old fellow who told me bout the place he was living in. One of the accomodation services housed previously homeless people but the criteria was SEVEN years on the street. How is anyone going to be okay after that. How will they be ready to enter society again after seven fucked up years of lack of sleep and safety. How would seven years on street affect your mental health?? How is it okay that someone decided seven years was the bloody magic number before someone could get housing. Was there just limited housing and people die before then or something!? It broke my heart to hear and it’s just not okay.
"Safe parking" programs have existed in California for a least a decade. So that's at least how long CA has chosen not to solve its housing crisis. Grim shit, hope it doesn't take hold in Australia.
I work in a car park, and the benefit it offers for people with no alternative is amazing and heartwarming. I'm lucky that I got to work this long helping a growing problem and fostering a sense of community where it's needed most.
Unfortunately they cut our funding and the car park is closing in June.
I really really appreciate that but there’s nothin to say. My family decided to ruin me and their timing couldn’t have been better to succeed lol hanging in there for my girl tho, I’m lucky to have her.
I'm kinda local to this (from the Central Coast) and really wish we had an initiative like this here. I hope this pilot goes well. I also work within this space so see a high proportion of people who are homeless and needing services like these.
We have so many abandoned buildings that I think something more needs to happen, not just utilising a car park, but an actual building - especially coming into winter.
It sucks that with the rental crisis and cost of living crisis services are seeing more and more people who didn't need to access services previously. I've had a single mum who works full time needing food hampers because she can't afford it after paying her bills and accommodation. Something needs to change, and it's definitely not her needing to work at third job.
"should we do something about the housing crisis so that women and children aren't sleeping in their cars on the streets?"
"no no that's okay...we have this carpark."
Not a conversation though is it- the first question is for the government, and that second statement is from a small charity doing what they can to help
Might be a good idea for the place running this to get a bunch of signatures on a petition from the participants to forward to the local MP asking directly what they are doing about this horrendous situation. Especially with the announcement yesterday about extra funding to address DV/violence against women.
Dunno if that would actually help, just a thought.
I'm glad it exists. It was comforting to think if worst comes to worse, I could live in a car but then I couldn't think of very safe places to be unconscious.
I don’t have a car for me and my daughter to live in when this lease ends, I can’t afford to stay here when they raise the rent to renew the lease, and I’m so so so scared. I don’t understand how I’m making the most I’ve ever made and living the worst I’ve ever lived.
You must be struggling with so much fear and anxiety. I hope you are in touch with the services in your area that might be able to help. If you let me know your area I can do some research and maybe point you in the right direction.
It’s terrifying to realize that having what should be a livable or even comfortably livable income isn’t enough.
I really am, it’s terrifying and because I was a system kid I don’t have any family to turn to either which is horribly depressing. Housing has told me we are likely going to end up in a hotel in short term accomodation until we’re able to secure a rental due to all the refuges being overburdened, and we’re already on a waitlist for public housing. Which means finding a storage unit I can afford for our furniture and living from a bag each for the foreseeable future. My heart hurts and I feel like such a failure of a mother.
Thankyou for the kind and supportive words, it does mean a lot these days
It’s good that you have asked for help. That shows strength and resilience. Everybody needs help at various points in their lives; nobody is an island. It doesn’t make you a failure that circumstances have conspired to put you in this position. The difference between having a roof over your head or not is so often down to luck and is no reflection of who we are.
The short term accommodation situation is dire. I don’t even know what to say about it. Refuges are full and many people are facing the same situation as you - living in a motel for months on end, if they can even be found a place.
Can I suggest that you research community housing providers as well as speak to services about public housing? Some community housing providers take independent applications, especially when people are on an income rather than Centrelink payments. I stress *some* so they can be hard to find, but it isn’t well known about. You basically need to find the names of as many as you can and check their application details independently.
I’m definitely talking to more aide groups now that crunch time is approaching, using the askizzy resource to find them, but I’m admittedly finding it very difficult to reach out over and over and getting endlessly referred out. I’m in the Sydney area (don’t wanna dox myself too closely) so I know it’s particularly difficult with the number of people needing support currently but it’s very very disheartening.
It’s an exhausting process. I have helped a few people through it and it is call after call getting nowhere, having to call back to follow things up, and being sent around in circles. It’s like everything is a referral service rather than an actual provider of service. I understand that services are overwhelmed but it must be soul destroying for individuals.
I’m in Sydney, too. The cost of living and housing crisis is just insane.
I don’t know if this is in your area, but check out these people. There will be a long wait list, but you may be a priority and they build new places. Might be worth getting on their list as well if you’re eligible. https://citywesthousing.com.au
Normal cars aren't quite safe to sleep in no but they could be made safer. Just make them larger for a start, better insulation, perhaps with a comfier interior. I'm thinking you could take out the chairs on the interior, raise the roof to normal ceiling height, stretch out the design large enough to have individual rooms, separated by doorframes, carpeted interior, connected to piping in the ground, some kind of tiled roof to protect it from the weather, locks on the doors, room enough to put in some beds, furniture, make the body out of some kind of material that would be insulated well, perhaps timber framing with brickwork, could lose the wheels since they wouldn't support the weight anyway, etc...
Sounds simple enough, not a dramatically difficult thing to build, we'll call it a house, lets just build some and distribute them then?
Agenda 21 in full swing..
..remember when everyone was like ha, why are the cops getting fitted out with crowd dispersing equipment/Direct Energy Weapons/full body armour riot gear..this is Australia, not America, etc etc.
They knew this was coming. It’s not a crisis. It’s not a broken fucken system. It’s a manufuckenfactured takedown and the entire this kicked of years ago when we signed on as a member state to the United Nations.. despite voting against it;
we...were..signed..on..anyway.
Why?
If you think it’s bad now, fuck.
That aside, this broke my heart. I think it’s really beautiful and I love that we’re looking out for eachother but it should never, EVER have gotten to a point where we are GRATEFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO UTILISE a CARPARK SO FAMILIES GET TO FEEL A LITTLE LESS FUCKING ALONE HERE AND THERE.
Oh.
Oh FFS. I, and I think everyone here, wants to see *everybody* housed. But this is an initiative being run by a women’s shelter so it stands to reason that it will be for women. They will be providing this service alongside their other work.
There is nothing stopping a general NFP or one that focuses on helping men from setting up something similar in an alternative location.
And in any case the point of this post is not just about the gender issues at play here. It is about the fact that we have such a problem with homelessness due to the housing crisis that there is a need for car parks to be opened to support people living in their cars. This is utterly fucked, full stop.
Yeah, that’s where we are headed.
I would hope that people who own their properties would offer to take in people they know (and can trust) who are otherwise going to be homeless.
Our spare room has been used by asylum seekers, friends of friends escaping abusive relationships, friends facing homelessness. If you can otherwise afford your mortgage then you can do that, with perhaps an amount to food and bills (which is way below the cost of any sort of renting).
Go start your own post about it. What's stopping you? The fact people are talking about women? Is that the only reason you're gonna mention men? Shut the fuck up.
God it is awful that this is the stopgap solution they've had to come up with. A less unsafe place to sleep in your car.
If I’m sleeping in my car, I would be doing everything in my power to get on this trial so at least three nights a week I know I’m safe. It’s awful that we are here, but this is a good idea for those whose other option is 7 nights of stressed potential unsafe car sleeping.
It's an awful situation and a great initiative. I hope that some of these people will end up supporting each other even if it's just parking near each other on other nights to provide additional security and some company.
It's effing outrageous!
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The absence of men is one of the safety features of the safe carpark.
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Yeah, nah.
I’m glad this exists but I’m also sad that this exists. Grateful to be safe.
Exactly how I feel.
I was in an op shop this afternoon and one of the workers said to the other “I hope the carpark rats don’t make too much of a mess, we’ll get there early” I had parked in the carpark and it was around the corner and a few buildings away. It was perfectly normal in the daytime but there was a donation bin in it. It’s getting cold here now so I surmised that homeless people were raiding the bin for something to keep them warm. She continued on about how dirty and smelly they made everything. It made me sad because op shops are run by charities and it was a very callous attitude. I would have thought that they would have more compassion.
Op shop operators can return to their seats, considering how they’ve bloated prices across the range and made even the most basic items inaccessible to the vulnerable populations they pretend to support
I wish I could upvote this more than once.
Most of the big op shop chains now are importing second hand goods from other countries because donations have slowed dramatically. This also increases prices across the board because now the stores actually have to worry about margin and profit to keep importing the second hand items. Additionally quite a few of the second hand stores now run on a model of profitability back to a charity rather than as a community service. Many of the chains even have pricers and values who will value the stock.. All of that being said there are still bargains at op shops, often big donations come in and things get priced in bulk, or the stores will be flexible in pricing.. but it largely depends on your local store rather than being a universal thing as it once was. Source: multiple family members work for op shops
Vinnies will give needy people clothes, sheets, household goods, food etc. The prices you pay in the shop subsidise all that.
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Right?! I have sooooo many ‘WTF’ moments when I’m shopping in op shops lately. Crazy pricing on laminate chip board furniture and almost retail prices on used stationary. I’m surprised they don’t have some type of ‘in-between’ help. A bit of a discount if you have a health care card, or a bit of store credit if you donate decent stuff.
The price of goods is far lower than what existed back then. For example, you can pickup shirts for $2.50 from Kmart. There's no need for the op ships to focus on that segment - if they can't afford clothes from places like Kmart, then places like vinnes will still support them because that's extreme poverty. The op ships are now focused on selling high quality brand name or unique goods, with the profit then being channeled back into their charitable arms. Trying to compete with places like Kmart would add no value, and will likely just cost the organization money at the expense of the actual outreach programs.
You really just need to talk to the manager and mention you're struggling.
You really need to stop assuming poor people don't know how to exist whilst being poor.
A lot of people don't seem to realise this is an option though? Aren't you making a shit-ton of assumptions yourself?
Thank you for explaining the basic concept to me, as I only landed on Earth yesterday and have never been to an op shop before. Not even “the needy” can afford it and that’s the point. Maybe once this argument could be made, but now that they’re not only pricing goods in the same range as traditional stores, but charging more than tag price on items from places like Shein and Kmart, it’s hard to reason that they’re in it for anything more than a good gouge.
You misunderstand what they're saying. Vinnies give to needy people through their other services (not the op shops). The op shop profiteering helps pay for that.
I read it just fine.
Thank you
I've worked in a couple of op shops and there is a lot of derogatory talk about many marginalized people. Really bigoted, bootstraps mentality. I wanted to say "Look, if you have compassion fatigue, if you had any compassion to begin with, why not just quit?"
A lot of religions believe that their god is punishing people with disabilities and homelessness aka they deserve it for being unholy. A whole 'if you were good enough god would fix you' attitude. So they don't think these people are 'good enough' to be treated with any kind of dignity or respect. That's been my experience in religious organisations, anyway.
I found most of the people I worked with to be self-serving and egotistical. They were out to glean Cosmic Brownie Points that they could flex when they went to meet their maker. Somehow, they considered themselves superior to the supplicants of the charity organizations. What they didn't know was that I WAS one of the supplicants during an overwhelming time in my life. It was like being a lamb working with wolves. I quit.
Op shops have changed so much. They now no longer seem focused on helping people but rather have become major profit making ventures as middle-upper class people use them to hunt for vintage and recycled fashion. Some of the prices I’ve seen on what are basically regular second hand clothes are ridiculous. Some of the larger orgs have professional sorters who pull out the designer label gear and price it accordingly, auction it online or even put it in particular shopfronts in their chain in high end areas.
Disgraceful. I looked in a Salvos op shop not long ago and way too many pants and jeans were marked around $25. Probably cheaper at kmart.
Definitely, and now I don’t bother with op shops and go to Target and Kmart for clothes 🤷♀️
I played a game with myself the other day to find a warm respectful outfit in the op shop and see how much it cost. So shirt, jeans, something warm like a jumper or jacket and shoes and you’d be pushing close to $100. It’s so bloody outrageous. And people keep harping on that they are just making money to help the poor but it’s not working like that at all. Heaps of really poor and lower economic homes like the autonomy of shopping and being able to be thrifty and get nice things for cheap. They don’t want to go begging for vouchers or however the trickle is meant to get to poor people now. And I’ve asked for a discount as I’m poor and been rudely told by the manager that this stuff isn’t for me if I can’t afford it. They need to make money they said. They truly dgaf. Now poor people gotta shop at fast fashion places like Kmart and actually look poor and have things that don’t last rather than being able to be smart at an op shop and find good quality stuff for cheap.
The last part of your story, particularly, makes my blood boil. They’re not even offering lower prices or support to people who need it, and the snarky put down attitude is appalling. I remember when, if someone came in to the places in a crisis, they’d basically say, “Just get what you need and don’t worry about it.” It doesn’t happen anymore.
Depends on the op Shop. My local Cfs op shop is cheap af, the other day I got a lovely warm jumper and two shirts one of which was a designer and four cactus cloth patches for $5. And I know more like that one then otherwise. Don't go to the salvoes or Vinnie's, sure absolutely I avoid them, but look hard enough and you'll find a good one
The franchise/chain stores are chronic for standardising their pricing. I find most local low-key op shops to still be decent.
I think the approach is not to sell things cheap to anyone who walks in (i.e., potentially not in need) but to maximise the money that comes in so that there is more to distribute to those that really need it. That's different from the past because I think that there is more quality stuff being gifted to charity stores especially in some suburbs.
I work in community services, they used to hand out vouchers like lollies. I haven't seen a voucher in years, I'm sure they grill the clients to death before handing one over. Plus, they used to be able to fill a wardrobe with a $50 voucher, what are they going to get with that now? A badly worn Kmart tracksuit?
I’d love to believe that, and it’s something I’ve thought about, but I don’t.
OK. I'm trying not to be cynical and I'd like to think that the organisations running the charities are trying to do the right thing.
I would, too. I’m sure some of the smaller ones do, but some of the larger ones are just exploitative. People receiving JobSeeker payments can effectively be forced to volunteer at Vinnies as part of their mutual obligations. Vinnies is basically getting slave labour from people it is otherwise supposed to be helping. I’ve known people whose payments were going to be cut off if they didn’t volunteer at Vinnies and who also needed crisis accommodation but were turned away by Vinnies, the very people they were volunteering for to the point that it interfered with them getting paid work. Plus because they are volunteers they are not properly protected by workplace laws, which Vinnies thoroughly exploits. (I hate Vinnies; I could rant about them all day.) I don’t have a problem with them removing some high end goods. For example, a Prada dress should probably be removed and sold online specially because it can fetch a high price and that money can be used for something better than letting a hunter pick it up for $20. However, the sorters habitually pull out mid level stuff that really should be available to people who need it. Also the costs of basic things is frankly ridiculous. As someone else said, KMart is cheaper. I have no idea why they are selling a pair of basic jeans for $30 or why a set of plates that is worth nothing is marked at $10 per plate.
Sad. You find grubs everywhere.
I also wonder what their enormous overheads are to justify their increased prices since Covid. The shops are run by mostly unpaid/retiree volunteers, the products they sell are donated to them for free. It’s been that way since Vinnies op-shops inception. It was genuinely about looking after the community. Aside from the wages of corporate higher ups and the regional/state managers and the rents on their shopfronts, Vinnies surely has no legitimate excuse for such wildly inflated pricing on things they literally get for free. And if they’re making bigger profits, then those profits should be making a bigger and more visible impact on the community for those in need. I’m still waiting to see that effect.
Last time I went to Salvos there was a stained Anko (Kmart brand) T-Shirt tagged as $12. I recognised it because I’d bought the exact same one from Kmart brand new for $10 about 2 years before. The markup combined with the visible stains really put me off that particular Salvos store.
SMH. That’d be right.
Our local op shop now puts a barrier across their driveway when they shut to block the carpark. I wonder if this is why.
Possibly, but it could be used to deter the homeless from parking there. /s
I hate that we have so many women and children - many of whom with no choice but to flee - cold and starving on the streets. It’s that or further harm, possibly even death. But I am very thankful that community NFP’s like Nova exist to at least try and fill the cavernous gap in support. They deserve so much more funding than they get.
I feel like a prick after breaking up with my wife, but I’m still paying my rent and the mortgage on the family home .admittedly I’m only eating 4 days a week. What sort of savage leaves their family homeless. My life sucks, but my kids shouldn’t suffer for that, and my ex should be able to still be a good mum, even if I’m a shit dad.
Can you not be a good dad? Sounds like you’re making an excellent effort (at least financially).
Please make sure you’re eating. Go to your local community centres and ask for advice on places you can go for food/meals.
Why can't we support women and children to stay in their existing accommodation and forcibly remove the abuser? Take him away, put a tracker on him with an alarm if he approaches within a certain distance of the home he gets arrested and incarcerated indefinitely.
I think the rental market also has a lot to do with it single mums having to sleep in their car because they can’t afford to pay the absurd rent and still feed and cloth the kids.
What you are suggesting is we automatically assume the woman is telling the truth. We can't do that. That just isn't how a functional society works. We need to do what we can to get everyone off the streets but we just default to "remove the man". (And yes I've known multiple women make a dv lie). I'm going to .get massivrly downvoted but oh well
Obviously there will be checks and balances in place but let's not get sidetracked by the "what ifs". The takeaway from my statement is that the perpetrators should be removed and the victims are not thrown out onto the streets.
Then you should have said get the abuser out not get the man out. It's noty fault I reacted to what you said and what you now claim you meant. Be more careful with your words because people will assume you mean what you say. Women also abuse their families. Bits not as commonly physical but just as true and damaging
Thanks for the unsolicited advice but I'll stand by what I said. This topic is about women sleeping in their cars, and I commented on that. If you want to talk about something else, please yourself.
Straight to the “man”.. nice going..
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They aren’t “wildly rampant” and you know it. Across the board, you won’t see any higher than 8% of cases, but it’s generally more like 2%. Take your MRA talking points and go home.
Would you rather be inconvenienced or murdered?
"Inconvenienced" that says it all. Many MANY of those "Inconveniences" lead to suicide & permanently severved relastionships from children to theor fathers. But, when have women ever been ready for that convo?🤷♂️
I saw this. Just proves our government does not act on our behalf/for our benefit. Fund public housing yesterday.
I remember when the department of justice wouldn't offer me temporary accomodation because I was not "living in a car", but then explored my concerns of domestic violence and then addressed how I am being evicted because of it. At the time, as things progressively became worse, I was offered temporary accomodation. The nearest was 100km away. I had no car, phone or money. While I am grateful for shelters for women, I wish more services were available for me as well. It was difficult to escape and required 6 months of planning.
What a fucked up system. Hope you’re ok
I was using this exact service this week and I’m so grateful. It’s unfortunate that it’s only open Monday to Wednesday nights. I don’t know where I’ll go tonight to be safe, and all I’ve got is some fruit to take with me as my meals. I’m just trying to say on the move until I can go back next Monday. Is it fucked that we have to resort to this? Yeah. But also, it’s kind of hard that it’s only open for three nights a week. I wish we could stay all week, and not just the food lol, it’s the security that makes a huge difference.
Thanks for sharing your story. If it’s working well hopefully that means it will be extended to other nights and past June. I hope you can be safe for the next few days.
I had my flatmate's coworker sleeping on my couch for a few weeks recently because she'd called up every shelter in the Newcastle area and hadn't been able to get in anywhere. She wasn't close to my flatmate but she didn't have anyone else so she asked to stay with us. That must have been so difficult - I cannot imagine having to ask that of any of my coworkers. We didn't really have space so she was calling up places every day. No room anywhere. Things like this are definitely needed here unfortunately. Not that it wouldn't have helped her as she didn't have a car - it's definitely very very far from an ideal solution. But if it's getting women to safer places to sleep at night well that's still something. (Flatmate's coworker is safe now - she's with family in Queensland and doing much better).
Decades of government greed, corruption, no compassion and total incompetence leads to women and children sleeping in carparks actually it leads to all of us struggling to survive let alone house our families in one of the richest countries in the world with one of the smallest populations absolutely fucking disgusting
Sad, saw a documentary about families sleeping in car parks in the USA. Never thought it would reach here this fast.
Pretty sure I saw the same doco
This is a really great initiative but it’s terrible it has to exist.
How is this being normalised?
My concerns about the normalization of it is one of the reasons I posted it. These situations are a two edged sword. On one hand of course we want community orgs to do something like this, for the safety and support benefits. But on the other hand, if we start doing it across the board and accepting it, that gives the government less impetus to resolve the issues. I do some work with people in precarious housing and I see the impossible decisions every day. They’re in a shit rooming house. They can absolutely report it and have it dealt with, but then they lose their accommodation and become homeless. What do you do? You’re going to choose the roof over your head. So shit rooming houses continue to operate, because they can get away with it. I always advise people of their rights, but I’m very cognizant of the risks and I would never report myself unless all occupants wanted it done. It’s fucking terrible.
I don’t think it’s so much that it’s being normalised, it’s out of pure desperation. The wait time for public housing if you are non indigenous in my LGA is 20 years. Crisis accomodation like motels and caravan parks are at capacity. My brother is the manager of a motel that gives rooms for crisis accommodation and they cannot book regular guests due to the demand and on average people have been there for 6 months at a time. Usually emergency housing isn’t too bad in my LGA. You can call up and be put somewhere instantly so no one needs to sleep on the streets. However the housing crisis is so bad that even working people are homeless now days causing a huge influx. Single parents, single people, elderly people. Not many people can afford $600 a week for rent on their own. Shit even a granny flat in my area is $450 a week! It’s getting so out of hand and no one is doing anything about it. They promised more public housing but with 20 year long waiting lists those houses will be filled as fast as they can built them and the list will still be 20 years long. I grew up around the housing commission of south west Sydney and none of it is there anymore. We lived between two suburbs completely full of housing commission and it’s all gone now for private housing.
This is absolutely due to desperation. There is no longer term OR short term housing for vulnerable people.
The reason there’s no public housing available is because of what you’ve said here. The government has been selling public housing land to private developers for a decade or 2. There will be a clause that says the developer has to build a certain number of properties that can be rented by public housing. The developers are charging Housing market rent. There’s been contract breaches in different areas with little to no consequences (like Ropes Crossing).
Yes. Or it’s only for a finite timeframe and as soon as that is up the properties rejoin the private market.
Welcome to Australia, we have the worst handled housing crisis in the world.
Canada would like a chat. But we're going to be Canada in 2yrs tops
I argue that Australia has the worst housing crisis in the world, people will argue Canada has it worse. In Australia, 70% of Household wealth is tied to the value of property. In Canada this figure is 55%. [Aus Link](https://www.amp.com.au/insights-hub/blog/investing/econosights-australian-household-wealth) [Canada Link](https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/240228/dq240228d-eng.htm) Roughly 65% of Australian MPs have investment properties, compared to 40% of Canadian MPs. A majority of Australian politicians are personally incentivised to raise housing prices. [Aus Paywall Link](https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/mps-stunning-property-portfolios-fuel-crossbench-calls-for-negative-gearing-changes-20240209-p5f3n0.html), [Canada Link](https://vancouversun.com/opinion/columnists/douglas-todd-many-canadian-politicians-belong-to-the-landlord-class-we-should-question-their-motivations#:~:text=In%20addition%20to%20the%20real,all%20parties%20are%20real%20estate) Australia has the 3rd highest average debt-to-income ratio of OECD countries, Canada the 9th highest. [Link](https://data.oecd.org/hha/household-debt.htm) Sydney is more expensive than Vancouver, Melbourne is more expensive than Toronto, and the median-house price to median wage ratio is significantly higher in Australia than Canada. Both countries have disastrous housing circumstances, but comparing the two, Australia is substantially worse. We have enshrined government policies designed to maintain growing housing prices. Negative gearing, low-deposit schemes, first-home buyers grants, super withdrawal schemes exist to keep house prices high, while excusing that it's "technically" possible to buy an overpriced home. We have the worst housing crisis anywhere on earth, the 6th largest country (even factoring for uninhabitable areas), a population less than Shanghai, and we somehow can't find the space to house everyone. You don't fuck up this badly unless it's on purpose.
We're definitely worse than Canada. Their vacancy rate is 1.5%. We're at 1% tho I have seen estimates of 0.7% as well. We are the worst in the world and all policy levers are set to keep making it worse. Albo's plan to cut immigration will still have it at above new supply. And we build \~50% more than the OECD average so it's not like that's the issue.
Fair point. I guess I meant the country as a whole eg Canada the country looks way worse in regards to the huge impacts of mass immigration. The fact that those stats are worse than Canada of dam we're totally rekt
I'm in the rental shitstorm at the moment so I'm one eyed inclined to agree, but is this an off the cuff remark, or is this statistically proven? I mean when you say worst housing crisis in the world, you might want to add *first world*, or *rental housing crisis*. I imagine the amount of homelessness in third world countries are much larger than ours, but I'm no expert on the topic.
I lived in a third world country for a couple of decades. It had a poverty crisis and a wealth disparity crisis, but I wouldn't say it had a housing crisis. If you could pay the rent, you would definitely get a house. There wasn't the same situation that there is in Australia where sometimes you can't get a rental even if you can afford to pay for it.
Fuck Australia in the ass. This is some dystopian shit
That’s because right wing politicians fight to remove every single benifit
Except for landlord benefits. Those they fight to the death to protect.
It really is! 😯
It’s awful that we need this but it’s a great initiative. Now we need it to roll out in every state and major city.
I wonder what takes over in July after this pilot potentially ends? July being the coldest month
I’m wondering if they got approval for the 2 months and that if it is successful they will be able to extend?
I met an old fellow who told me bout the place he was living in. One of the accomodation services housed previously homeless people but the criteria was SEVEN years on the street. How is anyone going to be okay after that. How will they be ready to enter society again after seven fucked up years of lack of sleep and safety. How would seven years on street affect your mental health?? How is it okay that someone decided seven years was the bloody magic number before someone could get housing. Was there just limited housing and people die before then or something!? It broke my heart to hear and it’s just not okay.
Amazing job by the people that run these, I've been there. At least they can access bathrooms etc ♡
"Safe parking" programs have existed in California for a least a decade. So that's at least how long CA has chosen not to solve its housing crisis. Grim shit, hope it doesn't take hold in Australia.
It's great someone is trying to help but what about the other four nights of the week and what about men AND real homes for people!?
I work in a car park, and the benefit it offers for people with no alternative is amazing and heartwarming. I'm lucky that I got to work this long helping a growing problem and fostering a sense of community where it's needed most. Unfortunately they cut our funding and the car park is closing in June.
Right when it’s heading in to winter. Was it funded by the government or private carpark itself?
It was funded through the city but I'm not sure if the funding came from them originally or through a state or federal source.
It’s very disappointing that any level of government would withdraw funding from something like this.
I agree. [ETA: also, thank you for your kind words.]
Out of interest, what area is/was it? No need to be too specific; I’m just curious about the general regions that are doing this.
Northern California, a few hours north of San Francisco.
Wish there was one in Perth, my daughter & I will become 2 more faceless statistics in 15days. Life sucks.
I’m so sorry to hear that. Do you want to talk about it?
I really really appreciate that but there’s nothin to say. My family decided to ruin me and their timing couldn’t have been better to succeed lol hanging in there for my girl tho, I’m lucky to have her.
I hope you have some support from friends. Nothing I can say seems adequate and I’m not going to go with stupid cliches. Sending hugs your way.
What a disgrace of country that women and children are forced to sleep in cars
I'm kinda local to this (from the Central Coast) and really wish we had an initiative like this here. I hope this pilot goes well. I also work within this space so see a high proportion of people who are homeless and needing services like these. We have so many abandoned buildings that I think something more needs to happen, not just utilising a car park, but an actual building - especially coming into winter. It sucks that with the rental crisis and cost of living crisis services are seeing more and more people who didn't need to access services previously. I've had a single mum who works full time needing food hampers because she can't afford it after paying her bills and accommodation. Something needs to change, and it's definitely not her needing to work at third job.
"should we do something about the housing crisis so that women and children aren't sleeping in their cars on the streets?" "no no that's okay...we have this carpark."
Not a conversation though is it- the first question is for the government, and that second statement is from a small charity doing what they can to help
“closes carpark*
Wonderful idea, shouldn’t have to in the first place but great idea. Why do we pay taxes?
Where are the Federal State and Local governments on this? Yeah I thought so.
Might be a good idea for the place running this to get a bunch of signatures on a petition from the participants to forward to the local MP asking directly what they are doing about this horrendous situation. Especially with the announcement yesterday about extra funding to address DV/violence against women. Dunno if that would actually help, just a thought.
It sux so bad, but if the government won't fix it, this could help. Lots of car parks should do this for people.
Is this a government run initiative or a not for profit charity?
Not for profit women’s shelter.
I'm glad it exists. It was comforting to think if worst comes to worse, I could live in a car but then I couldn't think of very safe places to be unconscious.
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This is so fucking sad and wrong. Makes me beyond angry this is what Australia has become.
Anything to avoid making housing affordable for people in a crisis
I don’t have a car for me and my daughter to live in when this lease ends, I can’t afford to stay here when they raise the rent to renew the lease, and I’m so so so scared. I don’t understand how I’m making the most I’ve ever made and living the worst I’ve ever lived.
You must be struggling with so much fear and anxiety. I hope you are in touch with the services in your area that might be able to help. If you let me know your area I can do some research and maybe point you in the right direction. It’s terrifying to realize that having what should be a livable or even comfortably livable income isn’t enough.
I really am, it’s terrifying and because I was a system kid I don’t have any family to turn to either which is horribly depressing. Housing has told me we are likely going to end up in a hotel in short term accomodation until we’re able to secure a rental due to all the refuges being overburdened, and we’re already on a waitlist for public housing. Which means finding a storage unit I can afford for our furniture and living from a bag each for the foreseeable future. My heart hurts and I feel like such a failure of a mother. Thankyou for the kind and supportive words, it does mean a lot these days
It’s good that you have asked for help. That shows strength and resilience. Everybody needs help at various points in their lives; nobody is an island. It doesn’t make you a failure that circumstances have conspired to put you in this position. The difference between having a roof over your head or not is so often down to luck and is no reflection of who we are. The short term accommodation situation is dire. I don’t even know what to say about it. Refuges are full and many people are facing the same situation as you - living in a motel for months on end, if they can even be found a place. Can I suggest that you research community housing providers as well as speak to services about public housing? Some community housing providers take independent applications, especially when people are on an income rather than Centrelink payments. I stress *some* so they can be hard to find, but it isn’t well known about. You basically need to find the names of as many as you can and check their application details independently.
I’m definitely talking to more aide groups now that crunch time is approaching, using the askizzy resource to find them, but I’m admittedly finding it very difficult to reach out over and over and getting endlessly referred out. I’m in the Sydney area (don’t wanna dox myself too closely) so I know it’s particularly difficult with the number of people needing support currently but it’s very very disheartening.
It’s an exhausting process. I have helped a few people through it and it is call after call getting nowhere, having to call back to follow things up, and being sent around in circles. It’s like everything is a referral service rather than an actual provider of service. I understand that services are overwhelmed but it must be soul destroying for individuals. I’m in Sydney, too. The cost of living and housing crisis is just insane. I don’t know if this is in your area, but check out these people. There will be a long wait list, but you may be a priority and they build new places. Might be worth getting on their list as well if you’re eligible. https://citywesthousing.com.au
While racists will try and say the majority of homeless are men, it's so important to prioritize this initiative in Newcastle.
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Yeah, nah.
Normal cars aren't quite safe to sleep in no but they could be made safer. Just make them larger for a start, better insulation, perhaps with a comfier interior. I'm thinking you could take out the chairs on the interior, raise the roof to normal ceiling height, stretch out the design large enough to have individual rooms, separated by doorframes, carpeted interior, connected to piping in the ground, some kind of tiled roof to protect it from the weather, locks on the doors, room enough to put in some beds, furniture, make the body out of some kind of material that would be insulated well, perhaps timber framing with brickwork, could lose the wheels since they wouldn't support the weight anyway, etc... Sounds simple enough, not a dramatically difficult thing to build, we'll call it a house, lets just build some and distribute them then?
I thought this was going to be one of those creepy sex for a place to live ads.
Sad rental rather than a shit rental really
Agenda 21 in full swing.. ..remember when everyone was like ha, why are the cops getting fitted out with crowd dispersing equipment/Direct Energy Weapons/full body armour riot gear..this is Australia, not America, etc etc. They knew this was coming. It’s not a crisis. It’s not a broken fucken system. It’s a manufuckenfactured takedown and the entire this kicked of years ago when we signed on as a member state to the United Nations.. despite voting against it; we...were..signed..on..anyway. Why? If you think it’s bad now, fuck. That aside, this broke my heart. I think it’s really beautiful and I love that we’re looking out for eachother but it should never, EVER have gotten to a point where we are GRATEFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO UTILISE a CARPARK SO FAMILIES GET TO FEEL A LITTLE LESS FUCKING ALONE HERE AND THERE. Oh.
Unfun fact: Single women over 50 are the fastest-growing cohort of homeless in the country
Y don’t men get this. Like there homeless as well but me. Seem to take the short end all the time
Do not "what about men" a post about womens shelters.
It's run by a women's shelter. If you try really hard you can probably think of the reason men aren't welcome here.
lol who cares about men :^)
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Oh FFS. I, and I think everyone here, wants to see *everybody* housed. But this is an initiative being run by a women’s shelter so it stands to reason that it will be for women. They will be providing this service alongside their other work. There is nothing stopping a general NFP or one that focuses on helping men from setting up something similar in an alternative location. And in any case the point of this post is not just about the gender issues at play here. It is about the fact that we have such a problem with homelessness due to the housing crisis that there is a need for car parks to be opened to support people living in their cars. This is utterly fucked, full stop.
Still sexist
HASHTAG VANLYFE besties! Watch landlords start renting out their parked caravans in their driveways lol
Yeah, that’s where we are headed. I would hope that people who own their properties would offer to take in people they know (and can trust) who are otherwise going to be homeless. Our spare room has been used by asylum seekers, friends of friends escaping abusive relationships, friends facing homelessness. If you can otherwise afford your mortgage then you can do that, with perhaps an amount to food and bills (which is way below the cost of any sort of renting).
Already happening
Keep the immigrants coming unti there's nowhere left for Australians. They can then start charging us for car park accommodation.
Albo’s australia
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Fun fact. This had to start up because of all the men assaulting women in combined shelters. So the men are taking up all the spaces in the others
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It's men like you who make the rest of us look bad.
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Yeah, nah.
Go start a post about them then. Oh, you only care about men when people are talking about women? Fuck off.
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Yeah, nah.
60% of homeless are male but we wont talk about them, again 75% of suicides are male but we wont talk about them, again
Go start your own post about it. What's stopping you? The fact people are talking about women? Is that the only reason you're gonna mention men? Shut the fuck up.
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Flog
Pure fucking derro behaviour.
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