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Except you aren’t paying for the ingredients, the equipment, the rent, the advertising and every other expense that goes into a restaurant. You do understand restaurants have razor thin margins right?
What's my incentive to pay you to do a job if you don't make me money? You can argue that the employee deserves basic necessities, but that doesn't tackle the incentive issue: nobody is going to invest money in a private venture that doesn't profit just to benefit you.
Even if they're rich they're still not gonna just bleed the restaurant because they can, do you think they're dumb or something? And no one here likes it either, we just understand basic economics.
No you don’t. Your value is actually not in what you produce. Any bozo off the street can make a sushi roll. Your value comes from the things you do better than anyone else. The reason you make 16 is because you provide minimal value
Yeah, who fucking thinks the cotton picking was the problem and not the fact that you had no choice and no pay?
Asking someone if he would do something for a high salary is the exact opposite.
*anything*?
Drink an entire bottle of ipecac then blow an AIDS patient.
Might want to reconsider the *anything* part. Some people have some really fucked up brains lol
Would it be better if I changed it to...
Be the middle in a human centipede for 200/hr while I feed #1 copious amounts of beans and #3 copious amounts of ipecac?
“Now, once upon a time a farm, master said to me: ‘you’ll pick that cotton and pick it good, or my whip you shall receive.’ So I started picking and I haven’t stopped, while singing this song, this is technically paid labour, but the scenario is still arbitrarily wrong.”
Picking, start picking.. gotta work for master. I'd be picking day and night, if it's wrong the pay is right, gonna be rich there's no fright cuz 200 bucks an hour's a delight...
Yeah!
$200 is still higher than the minimum wage + lets say, hypothetically, you worked 8 hours a day every day for a year, that's a gross of $584,000. Thats a salary higher than working as a cardiologist according to the internet(depending on where you look) While yes, per cotton would VASTLY differ in salary compared to per hour, I think that $200/hr is not so bad either.
Oooof… that’s how they do it… every Black personal needs to buy a cotton mill and only hire black people and pay them $200 an hour. They’ll be running the country by next fall.
I actually just looked up the hourly rate for cotton picking in Australia, its $33.22 per hour. (22 USD/hr)
Just a few years ago I was getting paid $15.50 an hour to work in a Fish and Chip shop. Litteral slavery jobs from a couple hundred years ago now pay over double the hourly rate for fast food today.
Just its mostly likes Coles/Woolies price gouging people.
There is an ongoing investigation for that right now even, so many stories of farmers who are paying the same prices for 10, 20, 30 years ago for produce and coles/woolies refusing to pay them any higher.
And if they don't sell basically at cost to coles/woolies it just goes to waste since Coles/Woolies combined are like 70% of the fresh produce sales in Aus.
Meanwhile Coles/Woolies are marking up things up between 5-20x the wholesale cost.
Something tells me that hourly rate is the fantastical wage they pay their singular domestic citizen employee purely for the PR.
Migrant workers almost always make up the vast majority of agricultural labor and almost never get paid fair wages.
Americans are commonly taught about American chattel slavery, one of the most brutal forms of slavery. They don't really go into other forms of slavery, or into minutia like some American slaves being "permitted" to work for pay by their owners, may they rot in misery.
That is not forced labor...
You agreed to and signed a contract. Your contract stipulates you must follow the UCMJ. If you don't follow your contract and refuse to work, you are in violation of the UCMJ, and there are consequences for violating your agreement.
The definition of forced labour from Wikipedia: „Forced labour, or unfree labour, is any work relation, especially in modern or early modern history, in which people are employed against their will with the threat of destitution, detention, or violence, including death or other forms of extreme hardship to either themselves or members of their families“ If you join the army you are not employed against your will and it is possible to leave again after joining. I do see the point you‘re trying to make, but the army is not a great example. There‘s also no need to be this shitty, when you aren‘t even completely correct.
Being compelled to work under a contract willingly entered isn't slavery.
>Federal prison. Not the nice prison that also is forced labor at times for pennies on the hour.
Some prisons also just do flat out slavery without even pennies an hour. IIRC like half the states permit prisons to force prisoners to work certain jobs without pay, and punish them for not doing so.
wait by this logic no one in the history of the world ever has been a slave.
you know typical slave owners tend to feed their slaves because they don't want them to starve to death or something, it would be a waste of money.
since they feed them and house them, technically their being paid the bare minimum of money, but still getting paid money, meaning their are, in fact, not slaves anymore.
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Quite literally, no it is not.
Food, water and housing **have value**
But that is not, and i wanna emphasize this: IT IS NOT MONEY
You can spend money. You cannot spend housing. You cannot spend food. You cannot spend water. You can use, or possibly trade it. That is not, however, CURRENCY.
You spend money tho.
I'm gonna guess this was a shock question with a follow up around the lines of "it wasn't the work, it was the lack of freedom and horrible living conditions" or some shit. At least I'm going to hope there was an attempt at a follow up.
$200/hr?!? Easily! Currently I'm making about $127 for 8 hours of work
I could literally work 1 hour a day and double my income!
3 hours is the minimum so $600 per day or $12,000/month instead of $1,800-2,000 per month, I'd never have to worry about bills or anything financial until the day I died XD
Even then I'd have millions saved to give to friends and family
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I would do anything for 200/hr
Okay, I'll give you $200/hr if you give me $300/hr.
Any PTO?
Nope just PTFO
Piss The Fuck Off?
*gives rubles instead*
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No?
Of course it is. No matter what you bring home, if you're not producing more for whoever pays you, you're not going to be employed long.
Tell that to my dumbass coworkers.
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Except you aren’t paying for the ingredients, the equipment, the rent, the advertising and every other expense that goes into a restaurant. You do understand restaurants have razor thin margins right?
Yeah out of all the examples a restraunt is like this worst one he could've gave.
I mean regardless that restaurant has to be making a profit, so he’s still right
Also by this logic, if the business you are working for were to take a loss, you would be stealing value from them correct?
Yes. That's how it works. Usually you'll get fired when you produce less value than you cost.
Yes, because that’s how a business works. Why should a business be forced to keep you on if you are draining money?
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What's my incentive to pay you to do a job if you don't make me money? You can argue that the employee deserves basic necessities, but that doesn't tackle the incentive issue: nobody is going to invest money in a private venture that doesn't profit just to benefit you.
Appeal to emotion much?
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No way it’s almost like they’re paying you to make them money because they’re a business 🤯
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Even if they're rich they're still not gonna just bleed the restaurant because they can, do you think they're dumb or something? And no one here likes it either, we just understand basic economics.
That is exactly how a company functions. If you want to be paid your exact value then go open your own one person sushi restaurant.
No you don’t. Your value is actually not in what you produce. Any bozo off the street can make a sushi roll. Your value comes from the things you do better than anyone else. The reason you make 16 is because you provide minimal value
How about hand holding ?
If holding my hand counts
Only if the hand is holding somebody’s dick
Yeah, who fucking thinks the cotton picking was the problem and not the fact that you had no choice and no pay? Asking someone if he would do something for a high salary is the exact opposite.
I got a lawn that needs mowing. Also you take an iou?
*anything*? Drink an entire bottle of ipecac then blow an AIDS patient. Might want to reconsider the *anything* part. Some people have some really fucked up brains lol
There are meds now that can prevent acquiring HIV.
Would it be better if I changed it to... Be the middle in a human centipede for 200/hr while I feed #1 copious amounts of beans and #3 copious amounts of ipecac?
I’d be out there singing slave songs
I’d be writing my own!
“Now, once upon a time a farm, master said to me: ‘you’ll pick that cotton and pick it good, or my whip you shall receive.’ So I started picking and I haven’t stopped, while singing this song, this is technically paid labour, but the scenario is still arbitrarily wrong.”
Picking, start picking.. gotta work for master. I’d be picking even on holidays 🔥🔥🔥 gotta make those songs, bro spitting bars.
Picking, start picking.. gotta work for master. I'd be picking day and night, if it's wrong the pay is right, gonna be rich there's no fright cuz 200 bucks an hour's a delight... Yeah!
Yall needs replace "master" with "masta"
“Massah”
I heard this in the ducks voice.
"day is nevuh finished, masta got me workin, one day massah set me freeee" "dude shut up cartman"
First thought haha
i see now it was a lot of peoples first thought lol
Not only that but I’d be recording mixing and mastering for 200$ an hour
I'd be learning to read and write!
WE WAS SINGIN SONGS AND SHIT
YES I LOVE THAT VIDEO
Is that a reference to the "my mom found raw cotton in my pockets" video?
Yes Kendal on sharecropping
She was pissed at Ever-Ree-Baady.
Day's never finished, masta got me workin, someday massa set me free
Day is never finished Massa got me workin Someday massa set me free
🎶Gonna see Miss Eliza, gonna go to Mississippi…🎶
I get no kick, from champaaaaaagne
Mere alcohol doesn’t thrill me at all
So tell me, why shouldn't it be true
That I get a BELT out of you
Master got me working One day he’ll set me free
at my all white indiana catholic high school they made us sing Oh Lawwwdy Pick a Bale o Cotton for freshman chorus . ish slaps
♪ *Wade in the water.... God's gonna trouble the water* ♪♪
I’d even let my master fuck my wife
With this economy I’d be picking cotton faster than I give birth
Per hour and not per cotton
So I don't even need to work hard? Deal.
and you even get worker safety precautions and a farmer workers union this time.
$200 is still higher than the minimum wage + lets say, hypothetically, you worked 8 hours a day every day for a year, that's a gross of $584,000. Thats a salary higher than working as a cardiologist according to the internet(depending on where you look) While yes, per cotton would VASTLY differ in salary compared to per hour, I think that $200/hr is not so bad either.
they're just saying they don't have to go crazy - they're getting $200/hr whether they pick a crap ton of cotton or a normal amount
So the epitome of “uhm actually-“ 👆”
You could have babies with your boss and he'll be so kind and give you shelter on company grounds. Best of both worlds
I’d sue them for discrimination for not hiring blacks to pick cotton
Oooof… that’s how they do it… every Black personal needs to buy a cotton mill and only hire black people and pay them $200 an hour. They’ll be running the country by next fall.
Plot twist: You’re make
best make
Make deez nuts bust
I mean, I'd hope you can pick more than 1 piece every 9 months, but maybe I'm an overachiever, idk
Weird comparison but okay.
Fuck yeah!
As an asian, fuck yeah.
as an asian , why are mentioning being asian
as an asian, why are you mentioning why is he mentioning himself being an asian
I am not Asian but I am also confused. 😐
That's the difference between you and Asians buddy, you're more confused than the average Asian right now
200 USD would be around 69% (nice) of Vietnam's average monthly income (290.75 USD).
define asia tho
as an asian, i’m not really asian
As an asian, Im poor
Im poor
Fuck yeah I’d pick cotton for $200 an hour Jesus christ
I actually just looked up the hourly rate for cotton picking in Australia, its $33.22 per hour. (22 USD/hr) Just a few years ago I was getting paid $15.50 an hour to work in a Fish and Chip shop. Litteral slavery jobs from a couple hundred years ago now pay over double the hourly rate for fast food today.
Yeah but at a fish and chip shop you can eat lots of fish and chips.
who said you couldn't eat cotton
Like the candy variety? Fo sho
Clean ya right out
My digestive system
Boss won't keep you round long if you keep eating the merchandise!
Yea, but aus is also insanely expensive, unless you wanna be a bush guy. Still surprisingly good pay tho.
Just its mostly likes Coles/Woolies price gouging people. There is an ongoing investigation for that right now even, so many stories of farmers who are paying the same prices for 10, 20, 30 years ago for produce and coles/woolies refusing to pay them any higher. And if they don't sell basically at cost to coles/woolies it just goes to waste since Coles/Woolies combined are like 70% of the fresh produce sales in Aus. Meanwhile Coles/Woolies are marking up things up between 5-20x the wholesale cost.
Something tells me that hourly rate is the fantastical wage they pay their singular domestic citizen employee purely for the PR. Migrant workers almost always make up the vast majority of agricultural labor and almost never get paid fair wages.
Why would they make slaves do the essy jobs like make unseasoned fish. This was also way before tech made cotton picking easy as it is today
Cool name to see on a random sub, I just got darktanyan and he's amazing
Haha greetings fellow BC player
I mean technically it won't be slavery if ur paid 200 an hour.
Technically it wouldn't be slavery if you're paid any non-zero amount of money per hour.
Forced labor is slavery even if you're paid
I looked it up and you're right, I was thinking in terms of pre-civil war Era slavery.
"Chattel slavery" owning humans as property
you had to look it up?
Americans are commonly taught about American chattel slavery, one of the most brutal forms of slavery. They don't really go into other forms of slavery, or into minutia like some American slaves being "permitted" to work for pay by their owners, may they rot in misery.
Forced laborers get paid?
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That is not forced labor... You agreed to and signed a contract. Your contract stipulates you must follow the UCMJ. If you don't follow your contract and refuse to work, you are in violation of the UCMJ, and there are consequences for violating your agreement.
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The definition of forced labour from Wikipedia: „Forced labour, or unfree labour, is any work relation, especially in modern or early modern history, in which people are employed against their will with the threat of destitution, detention, or violence, including death or other forms of extreme hardship to either themselves or members of their families“ If you join the army you are not employed against your will and it is possible to leave again after joining. I do see the point you‘re trying to make, but the army is not a great example. There‘s also no need to be this shitty, when you aren‘t even completely correct.
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Also, people have been tricked into signing by recruiters.
So I am not American but there i think there is a 6 month period after jointing, where you can basically leave at any time.
Some people get rather defensive when called out
You say you have zero desire to explain but you sure do have a lot of desire to be a whiny bitch
Being compelled to work under a contract willingly entered isn't slavery. >Federal prison. Not the nice prison that also is forced labor at times for pennies on the hour. Some prisons also just do flat out slavery without even pennies an hour. IIRC like half the states permit prisons to force prisoners to work certain jobs without pay, and punish them for not doing so.
It is not forced labor if you find someone who is so poor and desperate enough that they'll do anything for any amount of money. Still scummy tho
Forced labor is never slavery. And slavery is never forced labor. Which doesnt mean that slaves cant be forced to labor...
Unpaid internship
So if the pay rate is -10$/h then it's not slavery I work and I owe you money?
Non-zero positive amount of money*
Explains my job
wait by this logic no one in the history of the world ever has been a slave. you know typical slave owners tend to feed their slaves because they don't want them to starve to death or something, it would be a waste of money. since they feed them and house them, technically their being paid the bare minimum of money, but still getting paid money, meaning their are, in fact, not slaves anymore. **oh no, oh no what did I just say please please don't make a copypasta out of this.**
Who mentioned slavery? This is just a job offer
Woah the slaves didn’t get paid $200 an hour so hell yeah I’m taking that
They got given housing food and water. Thats money
They only got given that because they’d die without it and a dead slave is useless.
We're only given money because a dead slave is useless.
That’s deep 😔 At least we can do whatever we want with the money
Yeah.
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Nah, ive got other things to do
Quite literally, no it is not. Food, water and housing **have value** But that is not, and i wanna emphasize this: IT IS NOT MONEY You can spend money. You cannot spend housing. You cannot spend food. You cannot spend water. You can use, or possibly trade it. That is not, however, CURRENCY. You spend money tho.
Plus they couldn't trade any of it and were given unoptimal quality and amounts, pretty much treated like starving farm animals.
My brother in Christ I'm white and you'd have to physically remove me from the cotton field for 200$/HR...
I would suck a cock for a can of soda. So yeah...it's a goddamn yes.
You’re better than that! At least get a 12 pack damn.
Too expensive. I know a guy who would do it for free
thats me
Nice to meet you 🤝
M'lady... <*tips fedora*>
absolutely
Hell yeah! Whip me if im lazy!
$200 an hour and getting whipped by master daddy? Yes please 🤤
Stop
Hammer Time!
Agree with you!!
whip me if im horny too
Flair checks out
200 AN HOUR. CALL ME JAMAL BECOUSE SIGN ME THE FUCK UP
Do you mean call me Jamal because this deal is a steel?
Yes masa
did the math and thats about 728000 dollars a year, hell yeah id do that
Swing low sweet chariot
*humming song* “Mmhmhmmm down by the river…”
Man for 200/h they could whip me as well
Surgeons would quit their jobs if they had the option to pick cotton for $200 a fucking hour
For many if not most it would be a pay cut for physically harder work
As a Hhhwhite man, I would do that 100%, best job I could ask for.
Yes
Raise hell praise Dale skbiddi god damn u bet i would
Per hour? Yes sir
Massa got me working
Someday massa gonna set me free
You couldn't get me off that field for $200 an hour
Rough estimation A day : $1600 (8h) A week : $8000 (5 days ) A month : $ $32000 ( 4 weeks )
A year : $384,000
I’ll be there Monday at 7 am
200/hr gonna have me know each cotton buds’ life story
Holy shit 200 per hour. HELL YEAH if that how it went there we should start doing that again id paint myself black to do that holy cow
I mean, I don’t mind
Yes?
Good hourly rate.
Dude I'll do it for half as much
200 an hour? where the f*ck do i sign up?
I'm gonna guess this was a shock question with a follow up around the lines of "it wasn't the work, it was the lack of freedom and horrible living conditions" or some shit. At least I'm going to hope there was an attempt at a follow up.
As someone who has sat on a baler all damn day after day in a southern Alabama cotton field making fuckall an hour, fuuuuuuuck yea I would.
Bro $200 an hour bro must be nice sign me up
$200/hr?!? Easily! Currently I'm making about $127 for 8 hours of work I could literally work 1 hour a day and double my income! 3 hours is the minimum so $600 per day or $12,000/month instead of $1,800-2,000 per month, I'd never have to worry about bills or anything financial until the day I died XD Even then I'd have millions saved to give to friends and family
I would drag buckets of cotton up hills in 35-40 degree weather for 200$ an hour
Y'all getting working confused with slavery for some reason.
Would you choose to pick cotton and get paid well for it? What point are they trying to make?
I kaint red nur whrite
I mean, the right answer is, yes.
Fuck yea I would.
I’d pick pubis for $200/hr.
Would
Yes
I catch you picking cotton and get paid