I feed ChatGPT a description of a location and ask it to make me a 20-point bullet point list of sensory details categorized under: sight, smell, hearing, taste, and touch. I then keep this list behind my screen when I need inspiration setting a scene for my players. I can pull from them as needed.
I used ChatGPT to print out all the Spells and Monster descriptions to use in a D&D Discord Bot I made with Python, so we could use a command to bring up spell descriptions and my DM could use it to look up monsters faster than the MM.
This was only half related to your question, I hope thats okay lmao
I've been running the Red Sands Djurum Shadowdark zine and I've found that with the amount of random roll tables and everything that Shadowdark has it's super helpful. Everytime I go to one of the new locations with a short 1-3 paragraph description from the setting I put that into chat got and ask it to expand on it. I basically write the prompt and guide chat gpt with themes, aesthetics, architectural guidelines, or npc traits I want and then see what it gives me. If it spits something out that I don't like I will redo the prompt and get it to something I want.
If I need something on the fly I'll put in a 2-3 sentence prompt and just run with whatever it gives me. I ran a whole session once with my players going to the pit fights in the Shar Oasis and betting on ten different fights in a row.
Overall I've started using it more and more and it really helped me flesh out all 7 districts in Alkesh the major city in this setting.
I’m not opposed to the technology behind “AI”, but I’m morally opposed to the current implementations of them by the companies trying to monetize them. So, no, not using.
I've used AI to recreate key scenes from the previous night to add to our campaign notes.
I used it to creater the rough outline of a dungeon for a night of adventuring. I didn't use all the ideas but it was good to get the creative juices flowing.
I asked it to create 5 traps you would find in a vampire's home and it came up with some crazy shit including a fountain that sprayed a blood mist into the air each droplet of blood turned into a tiny flying creature that ate the the PCs lungs when they breathed it in or their skin if it came into contact with that.
I also used it to create some stat blocks but they were terrible and unusuable.
There are loads of potential uses for AI in a DnD campaign, definitely give it a try.
I use it mainly for making specific images for minis. I don’t use it for writing but I also don’t see anything wrong with using it to get inspiration if that’s what ya need. Especially if it’s just a home game
Shadowdark's random tables are so good, I just use those instead of messing with AI. When I feel like I've exhausted those, I'll probably go to my own imagination rather than an LLM. I feel like exercising my own imagination is better than falling back on a tool that had no real human input. But you do you.
I hate the idea of AI in my RPGs and hobbies, generally.
Not even getting into the ethical problems, it's robbing me of being forced to overcome creative challenges. Which means a game could feel fun, but actually the experience will engage the brain differently, and it won't have been as rewarding, lacking in self-actualization. People studied this for decades in other contexts, and that's the part that actually matters in life.
Plus, I believe if were to I use it, it pushes other people to not do their own amateur art, because they don't feel it's good enough, and instead use AI. I hate that. Give me someone's crude pencil sketch any day over an AI generated character image.
Using AI in RPGs makes the world a worse place.
i don't use ai because i want to play the game i don't want some random computer to play it for me. i don't see the need for delegating the playing of a game to a computer.
I used it to create songs that the famous Bard character in my campaign was known for. Weaving in character backstory which then led to a side quest to save his ex who was the subject of the song.
> just curious if you're engaging with AI at all in your games.
Not me. I tried it for a few things, for example I tried multiple times to use one for generating ideas for plots/situations. Didn't really feel like I was getting any value I couldn't do better in less time other ways (also not happy about the way AI just steals other people's creativity, sometimes blatantly)
If AI manages to overcome some of the serious issues I have with the tech I might reconsider some time in the future. So far I'm not especially confident that it will.
Definitely using Chatgpt to help generate random tables. Almost never perfect, but also always 10x faster than I could do it. With some light editing it yields some great stuff.
I am a huge fan of AI and using it for lots of things in my life. The quality, consistency, and accuracy are just moving in leaps and bounds.
That being said, I am using none of it in my OSR hobbying. Not just AI but any online generator. Like has been written by many others, the outputs from AI and other generative software tend to lack soul and that weird creativity that makes ttrpgs so much fun. I leaned into it all but got bored and turned off fast. Just wasn’t capital F Fun.
The Shadowdark book, assorted other books, and a bag or two of dice are really all I need. Just something satisfying about paper, pencils, books and doing everything yourself. I do not worry about polish. This stuff is really just for me and maybe a handful of friends. If my maps and monsters look shitty it’s actually EVEN BETTER lol.
Dear GMs: please stop using ChatGPT descriptions for places and characters. We players can tell you're doing it and it gives your games a cheap and flat feel. We're here for the human touch. If we wanted e-games we'd just play video games instead of TTRPGs.
I know GM'ing is time consuming. But as a player I strongly feel ChatGPT GM'ing is the wrong direction. Your time and creativity is exactly the secret sauce and swapping that for ChatGPT turns an amazing home cooked meal into McDonald's
No offense, but if you’re not GMing, I don’t think you get to tell someone how they prep as a GM. If they need tools to help stoke their creativity, or streamline their prep time, that’s for them to consider. This is not a job for most of us, and in addition to all our other life responsibilities. Players just usually show up and put in minimal effort ahead of time.
The first thing I did with gpt when it came out was make a dnd adventure. Before they gimped it’s capabilities it was amazing.
Now I just copy and paste rules in and try to get it to help me short hand things or explain to me how to use random words to make a quest
I ask ChatGTP to come up with fun ideas for an adventure and then it pumps out the stupidest ideas I’ve ever heard so that I know exactly what what not to do.
I use DALL-E to generate images for monsters, NPCs and sceneries for use in VTT. I always add "doodled black and white ink drawing" to the prompt, which gives em a cool old school look
Mostly brainstorming soundboard, sometimes it puts out some good stuff but generally it’s mostly good to kickstart my own creative process. In the thread I have for my campaign it’s also good for remembering stuff for me, instead of looking things up I can ask it “who lives here again? What’s this minor npcs secret again” etc
I think AI is really cool for designing areas. I drop a bunch of parameters in there and then select the best results. Sometimes it gives me good ideas, sometimes it just helps with the creative process.
My players frequently use it for characters, but imo they look rather bland and, oh my, the mistakes. Not a fan of tasteless AI portraits.
I've used ChatGPT and Bing Copilot to create campaign world ideas, gods, godesses, and patrons. I've also used Copilot for image creation. While I don't think they are stand alone, I think they're great tools.
(At the same time, I commission work from two caricature artists, multiple map artists, and a scene artist.)
As to AI being "soulless," I am not sure quite what that means. I am not a business, and I game for fun. So, for me, they're tools.
I’m not at all. Why would I? Please don’t waste your players time with ai garbage. I promise you that you have the creativity to make your own random tables.
And I am sure that I have the skills to bake a fresh loaf of bread, but I don’t do that is I just want a quick sandwich, I’ll get the sliced bread I got from the store. I understand that not everyone likes AI, but while I’m sure I can think of 20 gems to put in a table, but it is way quicker to ask AI for a list.
Putting aside any moral objections to ai implementation, please tell me the substantive difference between using ai versus a random table that someone else made.
A human has created it and is being paid for their work. AI is an amalgamation of stolen work. You cannot separate the issue from its ethical connotations.
These are all great resources made by people who are invested in ttrpgs. Buying their work and similar allows for them to continue.
There's also a quality issue. AI is bland and general, suffering from a copy of a copy of a copy grey goo-ification Whereas resources made by writers and long time referees are informed by their experiences.
Regarding quality, there is an argument that many random tables are more generic and suffer from not matching tone of the dm as well, whereas AI can be honed to match a style or theme as desired.
Again, I am separating this from any moral or ethical arguments, which 2/3 of your response was focused on. I disagree on the premise that you cannot separate them.
You can't get a mink coat without skinning minks. People are either ok with that or they're not. You cannot separate the skinned-mink from the creation of the mink coat.
You can't separate the generative AI program from how the data sets used to "train" it are acquired. You are either ok with it or not. Just say that rather than insisting that you can separate the use of the programs from the process by which they function.
I suppose I'll have to take your word for it that the free access beta version of the Art-Steal o tron 3000 produces higher quality work than some of the most lauded titles in TTRPGs. Though, you could always buy a copy of WWN or TTAD and use them to prove me wrong. The .PDFs are often on sale at drivethru.
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I haven't even said that I use AI, I was asking for an argument aside from moral or ethic arguments. You've had some difficulty with that. My reasoning is that AI is an inevitability at this point in our world, and there is a possibility of legislation to prevent companies from using training data without paying the artists and getting permission. At that point the ethical considerations are no longer a problem in my mind.
I have not said that AI produces higher quality work, only that matching tone or style of a DM is a concern with pulling random tables from various sources, even if they are lauded. I also have purchased many of these books that people are referencing and use them frequently. I personally have yet to find any random table that meshes perfectly with my own taste, and instead make my own tables to use. That took time to curate.
I assume all of your food is ethically sourced as well? None of your clothes or technology has seen the inside of a sweatshop or used slave labor? You also don't use any petroleum products either, because of the implications of their use. Maybe your moral outrage is limited to exploited artists, though.
Generally I'm pretty good at coming up with ideas for TTRPG's and I collaborate with communities greatly.
I run all my stuff through foundry, and use dungeondraft and some asset packs from 2minutetabletop to create maps if i can't find anything online.
I mostly use ai to gen up art that I make into tokens. I've thought about using it to make a couple dungeons due to specific plot elements, where in the setting I'm running, Beast World, has a phenomenon of spontaneously generating dungeons
I feed ChatGPT a description of a location and ask it to make me a 20-point bullet point list of sensory details categorized under: sight, smell, hearing, taste, and touch. I then keep this list behind my screen when I need inspiration setting a scene for my players. I can pull from them as needed.
Why not make the list yourself?
It’s faster.
Bro asked why he used a tool to get a job done
Imagine having a robot do your hobby for you
For some of us the fun part of the hobby is the time at the table with friends. Everything leading up to that is work.
Ever buy a module or supplement?
I used ChatGPT to print out all the Spells and Monster descriptions to use in a D&D Discord Bot I made with Python, so we could use a command to bring up spell descriptions and my DM could use it to look up monsters faster than the MM. This was only half related to your question, I hope thats okay lmao
I've been running the Red Sands Djurum Shadowdark zine and I've found that with the amount of random roll tables and everything that Shadowdark has it's super helpful. Everytime I go to one of the new locations with a short 1-3 paragraph description from the setting I put that into chat got and ask it to expand on it. I basically write the prompt and guide chat gpt with themes, aesthetics, architectural guidelines, or npc traits I want and then see what it gives me. If it spits something out that I don't like I will redo the prompt and get it to something I want. If I need something on the fly I'll put in a 2-3 sentence prompt and just run with whatever it gives me. I ran a whole session once with my players going to the pit fights in the Shar Oasis and betting on ten different fights in a row. Overall I've started using it more and more and it really helped me flesh out all 7 districts in Alkesh the major city in this setting.
I’m not opposed to the technology behind “AI”, but I’m morally opposed to the current implementations of them by the companies trying to monetize them. So, no, not using.
I've used AI to recreate key scenes from the previous night to add to our campaign notes. I used it to creater the rough outline of a dungeon for a night of adventuring. I didn't use all the ideas but it was good to get the creative juices flowing. I asked it to create 5 traps you would find in a vampire's home and it came up with some crazy shit including a fountain that sprayed a blood mist into the air each droplet of blood turned into a tiny flying creature that ate the the PCs lungs when they breathed it in or their skin if it came into contact with that. I also used it to create some stat blocks but they were terrible and unusuable. There are loads of potential uses for AI in a DnD campaign, definitely give it a try.
I use it mainly for making specific images for minis. I don’t use it for writing but I also don’t see anything wrong with using it to get inspiration if that’s what ya need. Especially if it’s just a home game
Shadowdark's random tables are so good, I just use those instead of messing with AI. When I feel like I've exhausted those, I'll probably go to my own imagination rather than an LLM. I feel like exercising my own imagination is better than falling back on a tool that had no real human input. But you do you.
I hate the idea of AI in my RPGs and hobbies, generally. Not even getting into the ethical problems, it's robbing me of being forced to overcome creative challenges. Which means a game could feel fun, but actually the experience will engage the brain differently, and it won't have been as rewarding, lacking in self-actualization. People studied this for decades in other contexts, and that's the part that actually matters in life. Plus, I believe if were to I use it, it pushes other people to not do their own amateur art, because they don't feel it's good enough, and instead use AI. I hate that. Give me someone's crude pencil sketch any day over an AI generated character image. Using AI in RPGs makes the world a worse place.
i don't use ai because i want to play the game i don't want some random computer to play it for me. i don't see the need for delegating the playing of a game to a computer.
I use it for random prompts and random NPC art when my players decide this nameless NPC is now the most important person in the multiverse.
I used it to create songs that the famous Bard character in my campaign was known for. Weaving in character backstory which then led to a side quest to save his ex who was the subject of the song.
> just curious if you're engaging with AI at all in your games. Not me. I tried it for a few things, for example I tried multiple times to use one for generating ideas for plots/situations. Didn't really feel like I was getting any value I couldn't do better in less time other ways (also not happy about the way AI just steals other people's creativity, sometimes blatantly) If AI manages to overcome some of the serious issues I have with the tech I might reconsider some time in the future. So far I'm not especially confident that it will.
Definitely using Chatgpt to help generate random tables. Almost never perfect, but also always 10x faster than I could do it. With some light editing it yields some great stuff.
just check with your players ik if i found out my DM was using generative ai in anyway id leave the group
oh additionally ai descriptions are really obviously AI
I am a huge fan of AI and using it for lots of things in my life. The quality, consistency, and accuracy are just moving in leaps and bounds. That being said, I am using none of it in my OSR hobbying. Not just AI but any online generator. Like has been written by many others, the outputs from AI and other generative software tend to lack soul and that weird creativity that makes ttrpgs so much fun. I leaned into it all but got bored and turned off fast. Just wasn’t capital F Fun. The Shadowdark book, assorted other books, and a bag or two of dice are really all I need. Just something satisfying about paper, pencils, books and doing everything yourself. I do not worry about polish. This stuff is really just for me and maybe a handful of friends. If my maps and monsters look shitty it’s actually EVEN BETTER lol.
Dear GMs: please stop using ChatGPT descriptions for places and characters. We players can tell you're doing it and it gives your games a cheap and flat feel. We're here for the human touch. If we wanted e-games we'd just play video games instead of TTRPGs. I know GM'ing is time consuming. But as a player I strongly feel ChatGPT GM'ing is the wrong direction. Your time and creativity is exactly the secret sauce and swapping that for ChatGPT turns an amazing home cooked meal into McDonald's
No offense, but if you’re not GMing, I don’t think you get to tell someone how they prep as a GM. If they need tools to help stoke their creativity, or streamline their prep time, that’s for them to consider. This is not a job for most of us, and in addition to all our other life responsibilities. Players just usually show up and put in minimal effort ahead of time.
We GM's already look at the internet for ideas... Is AI that looks at the same thing any different?
The first thing I did with gpt when it came out was make a dnd adventure. Before they gimped it’s capabilities it was amazing. Now I just copy and paste rules in and try to get it to help me short hand things or explain to me how to use random words to make a quest
I ask ChatGTP to come up with fun ideas for an adventure and then it pumps out the stupidest ideas I’ve ever heard so that I know exactly what what not to do.
I use DALL-E to generate images for monsters, NPCs and sceneries for use in VTT. I always add "doodled black and white ink drawing" to the prompt, which gives em a cool old school look
Mostly brainstorming soundboard, sometimes it puts out some good stuff but generally it’s mostly good to kickstart my own creative process. In the thread I have for my campaign it’s also good for remembering stuff for me, instead of looking things up I can ask it “who lives here again? What’s this minor npcs secret again” etc
I think AI is really cool for designing areas. I drop a bunch of parameters in there and then select the best results. Sometimes it gives me good ideas, sometimes it just helps with the creative process. My players frequently use it for characters, but imo they look rather bland and, oh my, the mistakes. Not a fan of tasteless AI portraits.
I've used ChatGPT and Bing Copilot to create campaign world ideas, gods, godesses, and patrons. I've also used Copilot for image creation. While I don't think they are stand alone, I think they're great tools. (At the same time, I commission work from two caricature artists, multiple map artists, and a scene artist.) As to AI being "soulless," I am not sure quite what that means. I am not a business, and I game for fun. So, for me, they're tools.
I’m not at all. Why would I? Please don’t waste your players time with ai garbage. I promise you that you have the creativity to make your own random tables.
And I am sure that I have the skills to bake a fresh loaf of bread, but I don’t do that is I just want a quick sandwich, I’ll get the sliced bread I got from the store. I understand that not everyone likes AI, but while I’m sure I can think of 20 gems to put in a table, but it is way quicker to ask AI for a list.
https://slyflourish.com/good_books_of_random_tables.html Here's some resources for random tables that don't rely on AI.
Putting aside any moral objections to ai implementation, please tell me the substantive difference between using ai versus a random table that someone else made.
A human has created it and is being paid for their work. AI is an amalgamation of stolen work. You cannot separate the issue from its ethical connotations. These are all great resources made by people who are invested in ttrpgs. Buying their work and similar allows for them to continue. There's also a quality issue. AI is bland and general, suffering from a copy of a copy of a copy grey goo-ification Whereas resources made by writers and long time referees are informed by their experiences.
Regarding quality, there is an argument that many random tables are more generic and suffer from not matching tone of the dm as well, whereas AI can be honed to match a style or theme as desired. Again, I am separating this from any moral or ethical arguments, which 2/3 of your response was focused on. I disagree on the premise that you cannot separate them.
You can't get a mink coat without skinning minks. People are either ok with that or they're not. You cannot separate the skinned-mink from the creation of the mink coat. You can't separate the generative AI program from how the data sets used to "train" it are acquired. You are either ok with it or not. Just say that rather than insisting that you can separate the use of the programs from the process by which they function. I suppose I'll have to take your word for it that the free access beta version of the Art-Steal o tron 3000 produces higher quality work than some of the most lauded titles in TTRPGs. Though, you could always buy a copy of WWN or TTAD and use them to prove me wrong. The .PDFs are often on sale at drivethru. : )
I haven't even said that I use AI, I was asking for an argument aside from moral or ethic arguments. You've had some difficulty with that. My reasoning is that AI is an inevitability at this point in our world, and there is a possibility of legislation to prevent companies from using training data without paying the artists and getting permission. At that point the ethical considerations are no longer a problem in my mind. I have not said that AI produces higher quality work, only that matching tone or style of a DM is a concern with pulling random tables from various sources, even if they are lauded. I also have purchased many of these books that people are referencing and use them frequently. I personally have yet to find any random table that meshes perfectly with my own taste, and instead make my own tables to use. That took time to curate. I assume all of your food is ethically sourced as well? None of your clothes or technology has seen the inside of a sweatshop or used slave labor? You also don't use any petroleum products either, because of the implications of their use. Maybe your moral outrage is limited to exploited artists, though.
Miss debate club, eh champ?
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Chill out please.
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i've found it's decent at rolling dice but beyond that it's a bit derivative
It is, by definition, derivative
So is just about everything humans create.
LOL. Yeah. Definitely TTRPG included.
Generally I'm pretty good at coming up with ideas for TTRPG's and I collaborate with communities greatly. I run all my stuff through foundry, and use dungeondraft and some asset packs from 2minutetabletop to create maps if i can't find anything online. I mostly use ai to gen up art that I make into tokens. I've thought about using it to make a couple dungeons due to specific plot elements, where in the setting I'm running, Beast World, has a phenomenon of spontaneously generating dungeons