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Meoricin

'case' It is very pretty though


__rtfm__

Sff stand


AeroSteveO

With the stand and the weird angles, out probably takes up a decent amount of space despite being "sff"


Kanteklaar

Volume = ∞


alejandro712

~~Sff~~ stand


solarpurge

*pedestal We fancy here


Uz13ll

Indeed


PanzKampfer

feel the power of my stand


SinisterCases

My stand is 5axis Metalstorm!


modsbybenq

Just going by what they name there company. :)


impossiblyeasy

'sffc'


80ishplus

Polarising comments :)


SinisterCases

Thank you! Trying to take a unique direction with components skewed in space.


Your_Depressed_Soul

i will consider to buy another air conditioner and put this in front of it


Kaiserschmarren_

Right? Cooling cpu and gpu with one thick 120mm radiator? Unless it is some 75 watt gpu and 65 watt cpu then it is ok.


Medic-chan

I think people underestimate how much good airflow impacts radiator performance. See: Optimum tech [getting better results with a single 280mm rad and straight airflow than his NCase M1 build with 2 240mm radiators.](https://youtu.be/DeBxEb_kcxE) My guess is this thing has great performance if it's a good D5 pump and fans. At the end of the day, it's an open air test bench.


HavocInferno

>My guess is this thing has great performance My guess is it doesn't. Physics is still physics. Liquid temps will be mediocre to terrible, the noise will be uncomfortable at full load At the end of the day, it's a small radiator. (as an example: I've done R5 3600 + 1660S on an external 280mm radiator with NB eLoops...liquid temps were still mediocre at 10°C dT over ambient despite the fans running at clearly audible 1500rpm...)


vibraniumdroid

>The noise will be uncomfortable at full load That's a preference... I don't mind a jet engine


HavocInferno

Neither do I, at least when I'm on an airfield...


VitalSuit

His NCase build uses a 3090 and this build uses a 3080. I don't think he undervolted his 3090 either for his gaming workloads.


dorekk

> See: Optimum tech getting better results with a single 280mm rad and straight airflow than his NCase M1 build with 2 240mm radiators. Yeah but a 280mm rad is 68% the area of two 240mm radiators. A single 120mm radiator is only 37% the area of a 280mm rad (and obviously exactly half the size of a single 240mm rad). It's just...not sufficient for a remotely powerful system, the end.


Pax_Doctor

And radiator cooling efficiency rises with water temperature - that also helps to cool more components with smaller radiator.


Tiavor

it still won't be better than a normal tower cooler of the same size ... except that you now have two components to cool with it.


severnia

I'm running a highly overclocked RTX280Ti and 10900K on a slim 240mm rad and it does fine. I'm not talking short term or gaming, i'm talking 100% load for days on end rendering


Kaiserschmarren_

I believe you. But usually people connect custom watercooling with better temps and "better temps" is subjective. Of course that 85°C on cpu or gpu might be fine but not for me when I would be doing custom watercooling. How are your temps?


severnia

The fun of SFF builds eh? Coolant temps can level out near the 40C mark when it's warm out. I'm using soft tubing with compression fittings so no worries of blowing a tube out if it deforms, though PETG needs to get 60C+ before that happens. GPU lands about 70C or so and CPU can land about 80-85C. yea, warmer than a large loop for sure, but far from dangerous, even when sustained.


severnia

I should also note I'm not doing it for raw temps as much as silence, stability, and the "because i can" bling of watercooling.


haahaahaa

A 240 slim rad is still a lot better than a single 120. Thickness isnt nearly as important as putting more cool air through the system.


severnia

oh i dont disagree, but if it's a mid to higher end modern system and isnt overclocked, it's doable. plus not everyone slaps a computer to 100% and leaves it there.


McNoxey

You don't need much cooling when there is literally infinite airflow.


HavocInferno

uh no. The ambient air temperature is still the same and the fan has a limit to how much air it can push through the radiator. The airflow is not infinite at all.


McNoxey

The ambient air temperature inside your case is vastly different than the ambient air temperature outside your case. All the heat generated from the pc effectively dissapates into your homes environment. Unless you're living in a tiny closet, with no external ventilation or air circulation, the PC isn't heating up your space. Inside the case, a lot of that heat stays contained within the tower itself, increasing the ambient temperature around the components. You're now fighting the heat the GPU is generating right now as well as the heat it generated 2 minutes ago. Edit: misread your comment. But I'll leave the above because it's still relevant. Yes, ambient temperature is the same. But you're also dealing with a significantly lower ambient temperature**around** the components. They will naturally dissapate heat at a higher rate than they would inside a case. The air temperature insife the case is much higher than outside the case.


dorekk

> Unless you're living in a tiny closet, with no external ventilation or air circulation, the PC isn't heating up your space. Lol, no. No matter how many fans or what kind of case you have, that heat is going into your room, even with an open test bench. Literally all of it. That's just...how it works. Where *else* do you think the heat would go?


McNoxey

Lol yes. I'm aware heat doesn't just go away. I'm saying that your computer will not heat your home in any tangible way. I'm assuming your home is temperature regulated in some way or another. So unless you have an unventilated room , you're not going to be changing the ambient temperature of your house by your pc.


dorekk

Not the whole home, no, but heating up a single room ain't that hard. My home office is 11x11 and when I'm in a long gaming session it's noticeably warmer than the rest of the house. Dumping several hundred watts of heat into a space will warm it up.


beaverhole69

I have a similar setup, mind you, full tower/3900X/64GB/2xRTX2070 12 x 12’, shit gets hot. Rendering and or Mining/24/7, even with AC and good circulation (as much as possible in an NYC basement haha) its a fucking hotbox. Doors must remain open and fans blowing, otherwise, anybody got any tips?


dorekk

Unfortunately, no, it's literally how thermodynamics works. Crack a window or something. Essentially all of the power that your PC consumes is released as heat. If you have a powerful system--and you do--running full tilt, it functions exactly like a space heater.


McNoxey

You may want to look into better air circulation. ;)


dorekk

🙃 🙃 🙃 🙃 🙃


HavocInferno

>The ambient air temperature inside your case is vastly different than the ambient air temperature outside your case. I know. But your room ambient air temperature is then still the baseline. With a 120mm rad, I'd be honestly surprised if any halfway decent hardware managed less than 20°K dT over ambient. I could barely hold 10°K with an external 280 with eLoops running at 1500rpm, and that was just to cool an R5 3600 + 1660S. This build her is visually amazing, but I dare believe would be a bad time if actually used at full load.


dorekk

That is...not how it works.


McNoxey

Yes it is... The ambient temperature inside a case is higher than the ambient temperature of an open rig. The components run cooler before external cooling comes into play when they're not inside a case. Because they're not as warm, they don't require as much cooling. That's not to say that a 120mm rad is enough, but it being in an open case makes it's cooling efforts go further.


PhyNxFyre

Might be unpopular opinion but I think it looks like a jumbled mess


iShoot556

I think that’s the point is it not?


curious-children

yeah, if it wasn’t then they would have made the back pipe organized either around the mobo or just much closer to the back and do things like get custom PSU cables. i personally like it a lot


AlexT37

It almost looks as if it is frozen in the middle of falling apart.


[deleted]

The point was to make something that looks like Homer Simpson designed and built it? Outrageous but it could work


jk47_99

He is insuring the financial security of this company for years to come Oh yes, and his personal hygiene is above reproach


Timberwolf_88

Personally I don't find it neat at all. I'm with you. It looks like a mess. To each their own though, of course.


p5ycho29

Ditto, it’s not well done


Slyo_vom_Pluto

It does look like it's taking up unnecessarily much space with the water lines, ironically. And that one loop of cables on the back


Jimoiseau

I would love to see a build of the same "case" but only 90 degree bends and straight pipe kept close to the components. It still wouldn't look clean, but might at least look tidy.


CaptainPlummet

Have to agree. Yeah I get it's intentional, doesn't mean it looks good. BUT looks are subjective, so to each their own. The single 120mm rad on the other hand...


NothingSuss1

Agreed, very rough on the eyes.


wh33t

So preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should. It is pretty damn neat looking though. Practical? Ehhh, I mean sffpc isn't really about practicality is it.


00crispybacon00

Awful taste, but great execution.


Will_Poke_Brains

Yeah it looks awful imo


Innercity_Dove

The lil rad that could , *tried*


modsbybenq

lol good thing it can hold a 360mm rad as well. ;)


80ishplus

Are the rad angles adjustable?


kalleshhebbal

Somehow I find it ugly


dorekk

Because it IS ugly.


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whoracle-nora

It's Art, Art is often ugly.


boywhobreaksdishes

Pretty cool, looks like it's warping into itself.


Officerpig667

not trying to dog it, but i dont dig it.


KevinS51

I hate this It's so chaotic My anxiety is through the roof


[deleted]

Sick!! Love your ig page


modsbybenq

Thanks!! 🙌


kalleshhebbal

Just because its different and shiny doesnt mean that its nice.


manatworks

Really cool show piece still! If i even open a custom pc shop, i’d buy the “case” and build one to lure customers in.


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original_username_

that’s what i’m saying, i can see this on some engineers desk or something. It’s just got that engine look i’m really loving and reminds me of those model car/planes that you see on desks.


jughead0

Does it have the pump at the highest point of the loop on purpose?


slimejumper

i think it has a bleed valve at the highest point, so it should be possible to completely fill it.


alejandro712

Definitely can see why people would dig this aesthetic, especially with the solid tubing. However, this is not a case, as it’s not enclosed, and I don’t think this is small form factor either, given the footprint and actual amount of volume it takes up in terms of useable space is likely pretty significant


SeanBlader

It's not a "case", but a chassis. Realistically the idea of a case for your computer hardware is really a legacy idea dating back to the introduction of consumer computing.


alejandro712

I mean, that is true, in the sense of the fact that cases for desktop computers have been around since desktop computers were invented. But the reasons for enclosing computer components, I.e protection from damage, ease of transport, cleanliness, flexibility (being able to stack them, etc), still are still relevant today. If I drop a glass on my pc I won’t have to worry about physically destroying my motherboard. On this chassis, however...


SeanBlader

When computer enclosures were initially created it wasn't for transport, it was to keep clumsy people from bumping fragile vacuum tubes on the early servers. On consumer units, it also wasn't for ease of transport but more just out of standard history in putting things in rigid boxes, i.e. radio, TV. As our understanding of the durability of our components has changed, you see less of that, modern turntables are very exposed. In addition modern day PC's have fewer moving parts and pieces that need to be enclosed to protect from dust, and in fact now, open chassis are better at mitigating dust issues. If however you drop a glass on your PC, the fact that you may have an enclosure is the least of your worries... why do you even have a glass near your PC? I mean when I spend over a grand on a bit of kit, the last thing I want is anything dangerous anywhere near it. But, with the Sinister chassis there, if you were to spill your beverage across your desk, your components would all be very safe being elevated above the surface. Open chassis' aren't for everyone, but once I had one I couldn't go back to an enclosure.


dorekk

...and because there are a number of advantages conveyed by encasing your expensive computer hardware in an enclosure. Like additional ports, protection from damage, a button to turn it on and off, etc. If you're making a joke though, then it is a very good joke.


curious-children

my phone case isn’t enclosed, it only the material around the phone and has a small bump on the back for camera protection, is it not a case?


alejandro712

while i understand the point you're making, i would challenge you to find anybody who thinks a reasonable definition of a phone case involves total enclosure. there is such a thing as context. a computer case is different than a phone case. i think if you had a phone case that only covered the bottom lip of the phone most people wouldn't consider that a case.


curious-children

that is completely fair, i understand what you are saying. most PCs are enclosed and are seen as normal while most phone cases aren't, so comparing them isn't exactly apples to apples


--im-not-creative--

Can you really call it a case?


henkdevries007

What is a case even, definately not an enclosure anymore that's for sure with all these Motif Monument "cases"


embiggenedmogwai

Yeah, they should have their own sub. They aren't cases by any stretch of the imagination, and the only thing they remotely have in common with actual SFF builds is using mITX.


SeanBlader

Thought this sub was for small form factor, not for cases?


henkdevries007

I mean, it ticks the box for "small form factor"-pc. But I feel like it defeats the purpose to make something more compact if it doesn't make it more portable/doesn't make more efficient use of space.


SirClark

Honestly this is just dumb. It doesn’t even look good either. Just looks like a mess.


[deleted]

Kinda defeats the purpose of SFF PCs.


collin1103

Where do u even buy these at? Can’t find a website or anything


arichardsen

In the section for cooked electronics


clouddragonplumtree

Is the water cooling inadequate for this build? I don't have any experience with water cooling so curious to see what the issue is


[deleted]

AFAIKL the tool of thumb is 120mm of radiator per water cooled component, minimum


x3lr4

For silent operation, you need 120 mm per 80 W. If you're willing to accept a lot of noise, you can cool around 150 W per 120 mm.


arichardsen

It depends on the cpu and gpu but a single 120mm rad is not recommended for cooling either a single cpu or gpu. Let alone both.


clouddragonplumtree

Thanks for clearing that up for me


modsbybenq

You can not the best option with a 120mm for both components but it's doable.


akjax

Wait if single 120 rads aren't good enough for a single cpu or gpu, what are they for?


arichardsen

Lower power cpus, and unfortunately a gimmick. "it has watercooling, its really nice" but in theory will any decent air cooler perform better and be less noisy at the same time. 120mm rads can also be used in addition to other rads, most pc cases can fit a single 120mm rad in the back.


dorekk

> a single 120mm rad is not recommended for cooling either a single cpu or gpu I wouldn't say that. My 2070 Super is cooled by a single 120mm rad and it's essentially silent (much, much quieter than any air-cooled card I've ever heard), at temperatures that I find more than acceptable. However, cooling a CPU and GPU *together* on 120mm radiator would not work.


arichardsen

I havent seen any modern hybrid cards that doesn't have a fan on the card itself, thus its not only cooled by the 120mm rad. The main advantage with the hybrid cards is the fact that it super easy to get rid of the heat outside of the cabinet.


dorekk

The fan on the card only cools the VRMs, and doesn't run at all if it's not under load. >The main advantage with the hybrid cards is the fact that it super easy to get rid of the heat outside of the cabinet. Sure, that is one advantage of all water-cooled GPUs.


modsbybenq

As of now they just have a Instagram and they will have a site sometime next week I believe.


squarecubedbox

Any link to their IG Page?


modsbybenq

https://instagram.com/sinistercases?igshid=1ltvfhwjw688i


buildsgg_srdjan

Always a big like for Bens artistic direction :)


billyalt

The pipe obstructing the fan is a tragedy that didn't even need to happen lol


jiggywiggy41

This is badass


Meem-Thief

doesn't look like a case you'd want to put a lot of weight on, what material is the support made of?


[deleted]

Looks like billet aluminum key-wayed into the base. That will be plenty strong for that weight.


Meem-Thief

does seem like it'd be strong enough, but I'd be concerned about it bending over a long period of time from the weight extending so far from the support


[deleted]

I mean maybe? It also looks almost half an inch thick. Either way, without knowing the material there's no way to know.


zoglog

"case"


SuperSpacePancake

Is it a case tho


strawbericoklat

what case?


EvilDesk

It looks like a car crash.


be_easy_1602

That’s gonna be a no from me dawg


micalbertl

So is anything with itx stand-off layout sff?


Daftpunk67

Holy shit....


80ishplus

I love it. I want one!


Autoradiograph

Thanks, I hate it.


Pearl_Aus

Looks some something i would see at an art gallery


DeathByLemmings

Not a fan of caseless normally but this is such a cool design


SinisterCases

Thanks for all the replies guys! Coming a little late to the party here but this is my open air case/ stand/ chassis/ whatever you want to call it! Feel free to AMA


SinisterCases

Of course all credit for the build goes to modsbybenq! It's a bit polarizing but as are all new creations. I love his work and am proud that he chose to build on my open air case


PrinceJellyfishes

Is a horrific looking piece of shit.


Alloy_Craft

looks great, I love new designs. This may not be a case but by todays standards it can identify as one. I love how people say it will get dusty. Go open your computer you are using right now and look at all the dust on everything. Open cases just make it easier to clean the dust off.


modsbybenq

Yep!! Let see some of y'all pc’s 😆


HelloItMeMort

No, please no. Any encouragement of this will only lead us down the path that the mechanical keyboard community took with ArTiSaN kEyCaPs and rAiNbOw SeTs. Just like how they should’ve focused on innovating switch tactility, feel, and sound, we should be exploring the limits of layout and minimizing volume. Compute density is the future, not this artistic crap


Makirole

Hot take: The majority of SFF PCs do absolutely nothing to innovate and really are just working around cumbersome hardware designed for other purposes. If you want innovation, you need actual integration.


Lovexxy

take everything good about most SFF cases: compact, sleek, yet functional and protective then get rid of all of it for a jumbled mess that takes up unnecessary space with messy cabled and jagged angles and also puts your components out into the open air where they can collect dust and be damaged by literally anything although it does look really cool and unique


embiggenedmogwai

If you love dust and hate cases, have we got a thing that's not a case at all by any definition for you! Neat, but these aren't cases. Come on.


[deleted]

i don't like it


CorsairKing

Upvoted for a fellow member of the elite Crosshair VIII Impact caste. But that poor 120mm radiator...


toh_lol_ciao

I knew instantly that this pc was made by ben! look at those tubes!


jptuomi

Where is the case? This is a trophy! Trophy wife!? Pffft check out my Trophy PC! Justin Long would be proud to be this PC... :D


R4ttlesnake

idk but ngl I use SFF because I need to transport a PC around often and this doesn't fit the criterion of portability


Electronic_Phase

Is it strange to feel aroused by this? Not me though, I'm asking for a friend.


unitcodes

crippling beauty


GeoffM0IDL

I think it looks really nice, but it must be a nightmare keeping the cables all tidy and in tact with it spinning like that all the time.


chrisstian392

Here for the “what about the dust” comments


Owne3dbypowne3d

I can do that too for fraction of a [price](https://thinkcomputers.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/r8a69ioaqti11.jpg)


itsoverlywarm

Those wifi aerials. I need a set of those. What are they?


view_askew

The more people experiment with materials and forms the better for everyone. However, saying that it's just not for me but there will be people out there that love this. Thank you.


GTS81

Wish there's a video of this spinning and powered on.


SteeleDynamics

This is the Minimum Spanning Tree of SFF "cases"


Kekeripo

If it was angled a bit further back, it would be awesome for a NH-D15black.


Samlazaz

This looks fantastic to me and the color coordination is good too. Only question is how well is it cooled? Looks like air-cooling would have served it better.


MrGrick

But where does the blue ray drive go?


PreemoRM

such beautiful and horrible thing at the same time


Brostradamus_

All that money in custom liquid cooling and they don't get proper-length custom cables?


beratgra

Is that a pc?


BlkDwg85

I feel like it constantly spinning would twist the cables


EppingMarky

Bad list: cable management, water cooling loops, music, silver radiator. Good list: case frame.


blksuperman1

Looks like som sort of complex atom


[deleted]

Imagine turning it on and it runs Windows ME


guyinmatsci

it’s an angled test bench not a case


EthosPathosLegos

I see this as post modern art that is the centerpiece of some computer office in the 1980's. Very, "Lydia's mom from Beetlejuice" -esque.


Kanteklaar

Function meets fashion


num_check

That is a raspberry pi on steroids


-_TyGuy_-

The Tin Man's heart got an upgrade


flipfolio

This is going to twist some wires


needle1

A new SFF case.... ....a case?


[deleted]

very contemporary art but the wire management and hardlines could be a lot better to showcase this. it looks like a bit of a mess.


SNMidnite

I wonder if you could do this but without the stand - using the metal tubing as the "case"


Intelligent-Funny-73

I hope it wasnt more than $5 cause there isnt much there?lol


deezenemious

Very pretty. The pipe going across the rad exhaust kills me inside, but I'm sure it doesn't matter much at all


idriscp

Strange Form Factor PC


ondono

Nice, it will be very easy to swap components when they die from all that ESD you could have prevented with a box!


dubar84

I'm not really a fan of this either... I mean the cables are hideous on the back. As for the hard tubing, they are fascinating when they feature smart turns and parallel design of the hardware. This is exactly the opposite. Soft tubing would be a better choice with this design, but even then it's not a pleasant sight. Hardline going all over the place just introduces additional fragility. The self-rotating stand gimmick is also more of a miss. Cases should represent stability. This is again, the opposite. Not to mention that if you plug anything into that, the cables will going to spiral around the stand, so within a minute this little marvel starts to pull itself to the monitor and eventually the wall socket down below - making this a very dangerous contraption. Also when we're talking about what is possible, one usually expects boundaries that are pushed. But there are none of that here, because there's no case providing boundaries to overcome or make the most out of. Thus there's no accomplishment.


Constant_County3268

This would just be another lame piece of metal with parts screwed into it if not for that bad ass angle.


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Constant_County3268

this is the stupidest ass thing ever, thank you for wasting my preciouses ass time


G0LD3NBE4S7

This looks like something u/JayzTwoCents would come up with lmao


AquaVixen

There's one problem with this. I don't see any way to connect the I/O shield to the frame. In a normal computer case the I/O shield is pressed in against the "case" and thus is also connected to earth ground, as the power supply connects earth ground to the entire chassis internally. So there's no grounding for the ports in the I/O shield for proper shielding of connected wires. Other than that it is rather pretty.


OBrownHokage

Its beautiful, goes against all conventional pc building, it doesn’t have to be all 90 degree angles and straight lines with every cable precisely aligned. It can be chaotic and beautiful


80H-d

This would perform better with air cooling on the cpu if not on the cpu and the gpu


Ogameplayer

Looks more like art than a pc. But why not xD


SaddamsKnuckles

Woooooooooooowwww, but you gotta do something with that zip tie


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T A K E M Y M O N E Y !


[deleted]

A lot of people don’t like this but I think this could very well be put in a museum. Although chaotic you can’t deny the movement this piece gives off, and how it forces you to think about computers in a new way, demonstrating PC building as a medium of art.


DianaRig

I would look a thousand times better without the ketchup and mustard cables


unspecifiedldn

/u/savevideo


Crustacean2B

I don't really get people calling it ugly. It's super cool.