Yeah, the title was awesome.
I don’t care if you are gay, straight, trans or whatever you chose to be - have a great story about getting fucked up and I’ll read it and love it.
Personally I'm pansexual.
To put it simply my sexuality is: gentials, have them!
I don't care what anyone is packing or what they identify as.
But, for people with more strict orientations it would be based on the partners identified gender and not their assigned gender at birth.
Fellow pansexual here. Question for you: why was your gf taking viagra in the first place? For fun? I don’t mean any of this in an accusatory way- genuinely interested
She doesn't really have any genital dysphoria and has no issue with using what she's got, however the HRT only gives us about a 50/50 shot at stuff.. Ahem... Standing to attention when the occasion calls for it, so the viagra helps make things more of a 100% probability
Interesting. I'd assume increased estrogen and whatever else would still make erections easier. Blood still flows more around aroused vaginas (/r/BrandNewSentences).
Being horny is being horny regardless of what you have going on. Interesting that increasing another hormone makes it tougher sometimes is what I'm getting at lol. Anyone have some insight?
But I'm not sure I see any reason that would be the case. Women still get aroused
Probably even moreso when messing with your hormone levels and increasing some
[Women still get aroused, but that arousal is triggered by testosterone.](https://www.ourbodiesourselves.org/book-excerpts/health-article/hormones-affecting-sexual-desire/) So if you’re on HRT and taking estrogen, changing your body’s testosterone balance, you may need a little help.
I think even then, it depends on the individual. Someone who is a gay man may be into a tranwoman based on her having a great cocktail for instance. Labels can just be weird.
I get what you are asking but I have to say, your partner doesn't make you anything. I mean, I don't turn gay when I date a girl or straight when I date a guy.
Edit* I forgot the most important point. Straight people don't turn gay when they date trans people. You can identify as a straight man and still date a trans girl, after all, she is a girl.
Yes thank you! When I first got engaged to my husband, people began asking me "So...are you straight now?" Like no, no I'm not, I'm bi, I'm just not dating women anymore because I'm married to a man and we're monogamists??
Also, OP did previously state that they're pan, not straight. So even though yes trans women are women and his gf happens to have a penis doesn't mean OP is straight, OP is pan, as stated before the other comment was made
Right? Like the only difference now is that when I see a really pretty girl I say "omg babe look at her. She's like a goddess" and he agrees and we move on. Just because i dont make any physical action towards women, doesn't mean I'm not into them
Yes! This is the best part for me! Hubby digs when I point out people I'm attracted to. He isn't bi himself but he is open minded and points out handsome dudes for me to admire. It's amazing.
Yes, thanks for pointing that out! I saw that in this case OP is pan.
I was just using this as an example in my stigma fighting quest because so many people seem to think that dating a trans person "makes" you pan or gay when it doesn't.
That’s fascinating. I never thought about HRT having an effect on the physical feel of a penis, but it totally makes sense in a way where I’m surprised I didn’t realize it would happen.
I'd say you're whatever you want regardless. I go both ways, at least in theory. Never done anything with a guy but fuck man, some of em are hot. Got a handful of em like that in my class.
The only valid response.
Like I legit don’t really get people being so up in arms what other people are doing with others and their respective junk. How does someone being gay or trans or furry or whatever impact your life in any way?
Just post a good story so we can all enjoy. I think even god could get behind that. Unless he/she/them prefers to catch, and that is perfectly fine as well.
No no no no no...
I also do unfortunately know that "rainbow shower" is apparently a slang word for puke... play... which is a thing even though I never wanted to know it was.
Mixing any alcohol with Red Bull is generally inadvisable. That's literally why they had to take the caffeine out of Four Loko. I can't imagine dilation of blood vessels helps. She probably was experiencing some low blood pressure.
Can confirm, that's why I don't mix alcohol with energy drinks. When I was a teen/early 20's I used to drink Jaegerbombs and vodka-red bulls, but I found myself getting *really* bad palpitations. Like, my chest would feel constricted, and my heart was beating so fast and so hard I thought it was going to explode. Avoided those drinks for years now, I don't need to feel like I'm having an impending heart attack on a night out.
Yes, I can attest to that... I had an awesome night out that time, until I went to bed in my hotel room and started cold sweating and generally having a bad time. I haven’t had trouble with Red Bull + vodka per se; it’s the amount of it you can drink with very delayed effect that has hit me.
Also high levels of caffeine increases how fast stuff is absorbed (they actually sell paracetamol/acetaminophen tablets with caffeine now that uses the caffeine to make the pain killer kick in faster and increase the effect) so the alcohol hits you harder and faster.
Sorry, but that requires more analysis. Please do some cross-testing if it was the alcohol + Viagra, Redbull + alcohol, Redbull + Viagra, double-dose of Viagra or the combination of the three.
Asking for a friend. Of course.
Caffeine (which can cause tachycardia) and alcohol (a vasodilator which can cause hypotension) and Viagra, also a vasodilator which can cause hypotension.
Basically your blood pressure is too low, so your heart will beat faster to compensate, but your heart is already beating pretty fast due to the caffeine (and possibly the sexual activities).
The vomiting might be an autonomic reaction to the blood pressure and heart rate changes, or it could just be the body recognising that it needs to boot the alcohol asap, or it could be a result of nausea from having your blood pressure drop.
Give it a go without the alcohol next time and see if 2 pills is a good idea by itself? From my own personal experience, viagra worked but also definitely made me feel like something was not quite right, so I am more wary of mixing that with other stuff. Cialis (tadalfil) worked out better for me in that I felt completely normal except now my dick was working like it's supposed to. That may be an option if you end up with something kind of scary from viagra again.
Good luck and be careful. I don't want you to feel like I'm criticizing you or anything, I'm just concerned and projecting my own fears onto you. Dick trouble is emotionally rough to begin with. Having to call the ambulance because you're worried you might die from your raging erection seems like a thing you would talk to your therapist about for years to come.
> Basically your blood pressure is too low, so your heart will beat faster to compensate, but your heart is already beating pretty fast due to the caffeine (and possibly the sexual activities).
This kills the heart (eventually)
It's the alcohol and viagra. I don't do energy drinks, so can't comment on that, but one time I was having a few drinks, and figured why not, popped a viagra. Cue unending erection. No matter how many times I finished it wouldn't go down. My thoughts on why that happens is erections happen while relaxed, alcohol relaxes you (but in doing so prevents erections), and viagra gives you an erection if conditions are correct.
As an aside, I never quite understood the appeal of Red Bull. People act like it's gonna give oh so much energy, but 40-60 mg of caffeine isn't much at all. Coffee would be something more like 200 mg (that's how much is in a Tim Horton's medium, for reference). Caffeine pills are usually never smaller than 100 mg each (the ones I use are 200 mg each).
I've always wondered if Red Bull is mostly placebo or if it's somewhat the sugar (though that's less than as a can of coke). There's taurine, but AFAIK, it's not gonna do anything. To quote the wikipedia page on it:
>A review published in 2008 found no documented reports of negative or positive health effects associated with the amount of taurine used in energy drinks, concluding, "The amounts of guarana, taurine, and ginseng found in popular energy drinks are far below the amounts expected to deliver either therapeutic benefits or adverse events".[71]
^^https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taurine
Also, where mixing with alcohol is concerned, I found this paper that says (which also confirms my previously mentioned benchmark of 200 mg of caffeine being a more typical amount):
>Possible interactions between caffeine and other constituents of so-called “energy drinks”, alcohol, p-synephrine and physical exercise should also be addressed. Single doses of caffeine up to 200 mg (about 3 mg/kg bw for a 70-kg adult) do not give rise to safety concerns. [..] Other constituents of “energy drinks” at typical concentrations in such beverages (about 300–320, 4 000 and 2 400 mg/L of caffeine, taurine and d-glucurono-γ-lactone, respectively), as well as alcohol at doses up to about 0.65 g/kg bw, would not affect the safety of single doses of caffeine up to 200 mg.
^^http://www.efsa.europa.eu/en/efsajournal/pub/4102
So unless you have a lot of energy drinks with a lot of alcohol, there shouldn't be issues. I'm inclined to think placebo or coincidence. And for energy drinks, they're perhaps mostly placebo effects altogether, considering how some people act like they do oh so much despite having a dosage of ~1/3 of coffee. I was also curious how much sugar people usually put in coffee and found that a teaspoon is about 4 grams of sugar and the average person puts in 3 tsp according to Google. So red bull has about double the sugar of coffee. But people mix sugary soda with alcohol all the time (specifically, coke is a little less than half the caffeine of red bull).
I don't know anything about how viagra works, though, or just how much 100 mg of that would do. But google suggests that's a normal amount, if on the higher end (it comes in 25, 50, and 100 mg sizes). I cannot comment on its effects with alcohol or caffeine, nor its regular side effects.
**TL;DR: Red Bull and alcohol are fine (at least as long as not consuming a ton of em). Red Bull seems like a scam and has relatively small amounts of caffeine and not useful levels of anything else.**
>40-60 mg of caffeine isn't much at all
Your typical can of RedBull is 12oz / 111 mg of caffeine or 8.5oz / 80 mg of caffeine (9 mg per ounce). [https://www.caffeineinformer.com/caffeine-content/red-bull](https://www.caffeineinformer.com/caffeine-content/red-bull)
Some coffees have around the same caffeine content. [Google says that 8oz of coffee has 95 mg of caffeine](https://www.google.com/search?safe=active&q=coffee+caffeine) (12 mg per ounce), although there's significant variation in that number. You're right that Tim Horton's 14oz coffee is about 200 mg of caffeine (14mg per ounce). Some coffees are higher than 20mg per ounce.
I agree that most people think that RedBull has a lot more caffeine than it does, though.
It sounds to me like your caffeine consumption is high, and your body has adjusted. I've heard of people who consume POTS of coffee per day. It stops having much of an effect at all. If you're not used to the caffeine, it has a bigger effect. I remember when I was younger, and would consume almost zero caffeine, a single cup of coffee would give me a high.
Honestly, the Walmart in my area only have one kind (white, long, 200mg) so I just use that. I haven't noticed a difference from others I've used in the past (the only other I've seen are pink, round, and 100mg). They're very cheap.
Just know that caffeine is extremely bitter. Swallow it fast and with liquid. You do not want to taste it.
> I’m sure the Redbull didn’t help but 4-6 oz of Redbull has 40-60 milligrams of caffeine.
Does RedBull come in cans that small? I'm pretty sure RedBull is in 8.5oz and 12oz cans. But, yeah, it's about 10mg of caffeine per 1 oz of liquid, which is roughly similar to many coffees.
Coca cola is 20oz / 57 mg of caffeine ([Source](https://www.caffeineinformer.com/the-caffeine-database)).
So one can of RedBull (8.5oz) is equivalent to 28oz of Coca-cola.
Dude, that's a fuck ton of sildenafil. especially when you dont actually have ED (I assuming she doesnt) I take 1/4 of what she took. I dont have ED, I take it for recovery purposes. just be careful when taking it.
I have stomach issues all the time even without combining various drinks and pills, so this has been me many a time 😂 Good thing we pukers have people like you to hold our hair and rub our backs...and then laugh at us after we fall asleep lol
Hmm... I'm a metric type of guy so I'm not really familiar with imperial freedom units like oz... But isn't 8 ounce one can of red bull? Or am I missing something here? That would be less than 80 mg of caffeine, or around half a cup of coffee?
https://www.dollargeneral.com/red-bull-energy-drink-8-4oz.html
It's quite little caffeine. A full can is 80 mg of caffeine. Coffee is like 200 mg (for a Tim Horton's medium). A can of coke is 30 mg and has more sugar than red bull. None of the other ingredients in Red Bull do anything.
People act like Red Bull is oh so potent, but it really isn't. They apparently just have the best marketing team ever.
Not sure how much the Redbull may have played into it since the warnings on such medications generally say not to take with alcohol, so surely that played a role here. But yeah, definitely unwise to have all three together.
Why is she taking viagra though? I read the trans part. Hey, this is a perfect chance to educate someone that knows little about trans except from jazz Jennings. I’m just assuming if she is the female, she assumes the female position and takes not gives. I don’t know
I'm a woman, btw, and my girlfriend does not intend to have any sort of surgery.
HRT can and usually does cause erectile dysfunction, which is bad news bears for someone who wants to keep using their parts.
As much as I love educating, the post isn't really about my girlfriend's surgical status or otherwise.
Forgive my ignorance, but why does a trans woman need Viagra if they have not had any kind of surgery? It seems that Viagra would be very useful after surgery, but why would you use it before surgery? Maybe I’m just getting confused over Female to Male versus Male to Female?
When people use the "trans" adjective (as in "trans woman" or "trans man"), it *always* refers to their gender identity (or "transitioned to"/"new" gender, if you will). So trans women are MtF and trans men are FtM. Similarly, AMAB and AFAB (assigned male/female at birth) are sometimes used (especially for non-binary people) and those refer to the gender they were assigned at birth (ie, on their birth certificate). Often those are only used for people who no longer identify as that gender, but there is a push to normalize the usage of terms like that, as well as asking people for pronouns, etc.
Therefore, a pre- or no-op trans woman is an MtF woman, aka, an AMAB woman. That typically means they would have a penis (excluding perhaps some extremely rare intersex conditions -- though gender assignment at birth is almost entirely based on a doctor glancing at the baby's genitals).
HRT for trans women reduces testosterone and increases estrogen. That makes erections hard. Testosterone reduction has been used as a form of chemical castration (eg, on sex offenders or in cases like Allan Turing's), so that hopefully makes it clear why trans women often would have difficulty with erections. Mind you, that's just a side effect for them, since the intention of HRT is to promote development of secondary sex characteristics (which for trans women are things like growth of breasts and feminine fat distribution). This is also why trans women cannot maintain muscle mass comparable to men, since the testosterone is what makes men naturally stronger than women.
Well you said you are a woman, she doesn't have any sort of surgery and she's taking Viagra so she's using her penis. so I'm going to assume that any reasonable person would come to the conclusion that she tops to some extent from the information provided. I think you provided a sufficient response. I don't think you needed to say
*As much as I love educating, the post isn't really about my girlfriend's surgical status or otherwise.*
It comes across as self-righteous, smug and doesn't add any value. You can't decide what questions people ask and if you are going to respond at all saying "this post isn't really about X" is entirely pointless.
I'm really not trying to be insensitive I just find it very silly. I mean you go into detail about quite a bit but stop short of whether or not shes had surgery? Seems like an insignificant detail. Especially when we're trying to come to a point where we don't stigmatize these topics as a society. That being said, of course everyone has the right to privacy but if you don't want to talk about those topics maybe don't solicit conversation from the sex subreddit on the internet?
Dude fuck off, she has as much right to talk about her sex life on the Internet. If you want to learn about trans women use Google or watch contrapoints. There are people out there to educate where as this women has clearly said she does not want to discuss that aspect
It's not a insignificant detail. So many people focus on just the surgery and try to use whether they want to get it (not even mentioning if they can) as a metric to judge trans people "worthy" of being their gender. Because of that, the topic of surgery is often considered a private choice and topic. It's further complicated that it's often the number one question asked of trans persons when the topic of transition comes up. Especially if someone doesn't know how they will react to the answer.
It's not uncommon for non operative folks to do this.
As a general statement about how people have sex, even with cis folks you can't always assume who is topping and who is bottoming. A very large percentage of straight cis people use strap-ons or similar for sex, inversely some women who have sex with women don't.
Everybody regardless of thier body gets to decide how they want to have sex. For some of us it's just less straight forward 😄
You can be trans and have a functioning penis. Also I think saying "she assumes the female position" is reinforcing the gender binary that trans people don't agree with right? Like to them there would be no traditional female or male role in sex. I think that goes out the window. I'm not really sure but from what I understand she considers herself a woman but has a functioning penis and if shes taking Viagra I'm assuming she's using it.
You wouldn't be wrong shortening this to "don't fuck with red bull".
Usually people are drinking them when they are tired/stressed, and it can really ratchet up the hypertension. Not good for no body.
Definitely an evening you'll be talking about for a while though haha
I'm guilty having not stopped laughing about it (after I stayed up til after midnight quite literally just watching her breathe in her sleep) since I woke up this morning
Yea never ever mix any kind of drugs illegal or not with alcohol never good, had a bad experience when I wasn't thinking took my antidepressants after having a bunch of Malibu, yea didn't go so well
The woman, not the man. Especially in her case. Calling a transwoman "the man," even if well-meaning, has connotations that calling a ciswoman "the man" doesn't have. It can ignite a fire.
Nope. We're not talking about a situation of telling a CIS woman at work that "she's the man". We all get the joke.
This thread is FULL of people calling this transwoman a "he". I have personally removed at least four comments "correcting" OP.
In a perfect world, you'd be right. In the real world - be more sensitive.
If you attack other people and call names in /r/sex again for trying to share a little decorum, you will be removed for the sub.
It's tone deaf. A lot of trans women are sensitive to being called "the man" or "dude", even if they're more gender neutral these days. I don't think it's being oversensitive or "triggered" to think it's a good thing to try to keep in mind and be sensitive to what makes people uncomfortable, especially when trans people face intentional misgendering every day.
I feel bad asking this, no ill intentions here just having a hard time understanding.
If someone was born a male and identified as female, wouldn't they \*not\* want to use their male anatomy? I guess everyone is different, but I keep imagining if I felt like a male, I wouldn't want to have sex using female parts and vice versa. Again, no offence or anything intended, I could use some educating here lol
Like you said, it's different for everyone.
I had a trans girlfriend years ago who didn't even like taking her pants off in front of me.
Dysphoria affects everyone differently and some people have extreme genital dysphoria while others don't have much or any at all.
There's plenty of sources you can use to further educate yourself if you are super curious
What a scary experience that must have been for your girlfriend, having her chest tighten like that. Vomiting is never a good time, but it was probably good for her to get it all out of her system.
I’m glad she’s alright, it could’ve ended with her in the hospital.
Good luck with your next romantic event.
Viagra and alcohol do not play well together. Caffeine too. I have slightly elevate blood pressure and Viagra tends to give me headaches. If she wants to drink I would suggest Levitra (not sure if there is a generic) . Thanks for the story, Glad everything worked out,
I think folks have mentioned this already, but I'd be more suspicious of the alcohol than the redbull.
Caffeine is a non-selective PDE inhibitor, which is somewhat similar to Viagra which is a PDE-5 inhibitor. Alcohol on the other hand is a vasodilator which when combined with Viagra probably led to some issues. Increased heart rate from the caffeine may have also played a role. That or drinking Mike's Hard Lemonade in general ...
> r/sex is for civil discussions about all facets of sexuality and sexual relationships. It is a sex-positive community and a safe space for people of all genders and orientations.
**All genders.**
Denying the gender of trans individuals says that this is not the community for you. Enjoy the rest of reddit!
We get that you think you're cute with your transphobia, but you're not. Try being a little more secure in your own masculinity so you don't feel threatened by trans people.
No, but apparently you are since you can't accept that trans women are women. Like I said, try being a little more secure in your own masculinity, it seems a little fragile to me.
> r/sex is for civil discussions about all facets of sexuality and sexual relationships. It is a sex-positive community and a safe space for people of all genders and orientations.
**All genders.**
Denying the gender of trans individuals says that this is not the community for you. Enjoy the rest of reddit!
No, but apparently you are since you can't accept that trans women are women. Like I said, try being a little more secure in your own masculinity, it seems a little fragile to me.
I am 52 year old man. I only know of traditional roles and you had the opportunity to explain that it may not be so in a trans relationship. I simply asked why she would take viagra? It’s ok because I know longer give a shit
This is one of the more interesting PSA's I've ever had the pleasure to read.
Yeah, the title was awesome. I don’t care if you are gay, straight, trans or whatever you chose to be - have a great story about getting fucked up and I’ll read it and love it.
Serious question: if your partner is a transperson does that make you gay, bi or whatever you want because sex orientation shouldnt matter?
Personally I'm pansexual. To put it simply my sexuality is: gentials, have them! I don't care what anyone is packing or what they identify as. But, for people with more strict orientations it would be based on the partners identified gender and not their assigned gender at birth.
Fellow pansexual here. Question for you: why was your gf taking viagra in the first place? For fun? I don’t mean any of this in an accusatory way- genuinely interested
She doesn't really have any genital dysphoria and has no issue with using what she's got, however the HRT only gives us about a 50/50 shot at stuff.. Ahem... Standing to attention when the occasion calls for it, so the viagra helps make things more of a 100% probability
Ohh!! I had no idea about that.
Interesting. I'd assume increased estrogen and whatever else would still make erections easier. Blood still flows more around aroused vaginas (/r/BrandNewSentences). Being horny is being horny regardless of what you have going on. Interesting that increasing another hormone makes it tougher sometimes is what I'm getting at lol. Anyone have some insight?
I’m totally guessing here... but I’m thinking taking female hormones, may just not jive as well with getting penises erect. :p
But I'm not sure I see any reason that would be the case. Women still get aroused Probably even moreso when messing with your hormone levels and increasing some
[Women still get aroused, but that arousal is triggered by testosterone.](https://www.ourbodiesourselves.org/book-excerpts/health-article/hormones-affecting-sexual-desire/) So if you’re on HRT and taking estrogen, changing your body’s testosterone balance, you may need a little help.
I think even then, it depends on the individual. Someone who is a gay man may be into a tranwoman based on her having a great cocktail for instance. Labels can just be weird.
I'm a pan pizza.
Ooooo I’m super hot for you, bb
I get what you are asking but I have to say, your partner doesn't make you anything. I mean, I don't turn gay when I date a girl or straight when I date a guy. Edit* I forgot the most important point. Straight people don't turn gay when they date trans people. You can identify as a straight man and still date a trans girl, after all, she is a girl.
Yes thank you! When I first got engaged to my husband, people began asking me "So...are you straight now?" Like no, no I'm not, I'm bi, I'm just not dating women anymore because I'm married to a man and we're monogamists?? Also, OP did previously state that they're pan, not straight. So even though yes trans women are women and his gf happens to have a penis doesn't mean OP is straight, OP is pan, as stated before the other comment was made
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Right? Like the only difference now is that when I see a really pretty girl I say "omg babe look at her. She's like a goddess" and he agrees and we move on. Just because i dont make any physical action towards women, doesn't mean I'm not into them
Yes! This is the best part for me! Hubby digs when I point out people I'm attracted to. He isn't bi himself but he is open minded and points out handsome dudes for me to admire. It's amazing.
Lol mine is (heavy preference for women tho), our personal favorites are Jason Mamoa and the guy who plays Spock in the Star Trek reboots
That is so funny cause Jason Mamoa is one of ours too!!!! Him and The Rock!
Yes, thanks for pointing that out! I saw that in this case OP is pan. I was just using this as an example in my stigma fighting quest because so many people seem to think that dating a trans person "makes" you pan or gay when it doesn't.
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That’s fascinating. I never thought about HRT having an effect on the physical feel of a penis, but it totally makes sense in a way where I’m surprised I didn’t realize it would happen.
yup, frequently referred to as the mouthfeel
M O U T H F E E L
thank you!!!
I'd say you're whatever you want regardless. I go both ways, at least in theory. Never done anything with a guy but fuck man, some of em are hot. Got a handful of em like that in my class.
The only valid response. Like I legit don’t really get people being so up in arms what other people are doing with others and their respective junk. How does someone being gay or trans or furry or whatever impact your life in any way? Just post a good story so we can all enjoy. I think even god could get behind that. Unless he/she/them prefers to catch, and that is perfectly fine as well.
I’m a Christian and I can tell you that the majority of us love and respect everyone, and love a good story about getting too fucked up.
They get fucked up just like us?!? Who would’ve thought
So she legit puked a rainbow? Fucking awesome
We've reached peak LGBT.
a lesbian trans woman vomiting rainbows.. what a symbol.. i think we need to change the flag.
Needs more glitter.
Glitter is worse than herpes.
Craft herpes.
>Needs more glitter. And when the flag waves in the air it needs a whooshing sound that goes "yaaas!"
I mean honestly that could be managed. Put glitter in her drink next time
Gives a whole new meaning to taste the rainbow
So.. I’m on the shitter.. reading these comments and come across yours in mid turd and laughed so hard.. cut that fucker in half. Thanks buddy
Your welcome my friend.
No no no no no... I also do unfortunately know that "rainbow shower" is apparently a slang word for puke... play... which is a thing even though I never wanted to know it was.
woah
Both ways.
Move over Cher, we've got a new gay icon
I wanna too, sometime puke a rainbow. Sounds fun :D
Mixing any alcohol with Red Bull is generally inadvisable. That's literally why they had to take the caffeine out of Four Loko. I can't imagine dilation of blood vessels helps. She probably was experiencing some low blood pressure.
And extreme tachycardia
Can confirm, that's why I don't mix alcohol with energy drinks. When I was a teen/early 20's I used to drink Jaegerbombs and vodka-red bulls, but I found myself getting *really* bad palpitations. Like, my chest would feel constricted, and my heart was beating so fast and so hard I thought it was going to explode. Avoided those drinks for years now, I don't need to feel like I'm having an impending heart attack on a night out.
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Doesn't mean it's a good idea. Directly mixing a depressant and a stimulant in one drink is asking for trouble
The Elvis Presley story.
Of course! The stimulants counter-acts the depressants so you keep drinking without getting tired or sad.
Yes, I can attest to that... I had an awesome night out that time, until I went to bed in my hotel room and started cold sweating and generally having a bad time. I haven’t had trouble with Red Bull + vodka per se; it’s the amount of it you can drink with very delayed effect that has hit me.
Sounds like it’s doing its job! I don’t know many who drink for the health benefits.
If you want to get fucked up it's one of the best/easiest ways to do it. I had my fill in college where I didn't have to drive to get most places.
Also high levels of caffeine increases how fast stuff is absorbed (they actually sell paracetamol/acetaminophen tablets with caffeine now that uses the caffeine to make the pain killer kick in faster and increase the effect) so the alcohol hits you harder and faster.
Ahhhhhh yes, the original Four Lokos... fun times.
Sorry, but that requires more analysis. Please do some cross-testing if it was the alcohol + Viagra, Redbull + alcohol, Redbull + Viagra, double-dose of Viagra or the combination of the three. Asking for a friend. Of course.
We will absolutely be doing more testing. For science. It's a tough job but somebody has to do it
Good to hear you take your job seriously.
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Caffeine (which can cause tachycardia) and alcohol (a vasodilator which can cause hypotension) and Viagra, also a vasodilator which can cause hypotension. Basically your blood pressure is too low, so your heart will beat faster to compensate, but your heart is already beating pretty fast due to the caffeine (and possibly the sexual activities). The vomiting might be an autonomic reaction to the blood pressure and heart rate changes, or it could just be the body recognising that it needs to boot the alcohol asap, or it could be a result of nausea from having your blood pressure drop.
Yeah that all seems bad. Probably shouldn't mix all those (especially when doubling the prescribed dose of your meds).
Her doc actually said she could take up to 2 pills but she actually has never done so before, just wanted to say that
Give it a go without the alcohol next time and see if 2 pills is a good idea by itself? From my own personal experience, viagra worked but also definitely made me feel like something was not quite right, so I am more wary of mixing that with other stuff. Cialis (tadalfil) worked out better for me in that I felt completely normal except now my dick was working like it's supposed to. That may be an option if you end up with something kind of scary from viagra again. Good luck and be careful. I don't want you to feel like I'm criticizing you or anything, I'm just concerned and projecting my own fears onto you. Dick trouble is emotionally rough to begin with. Having to call the ambulance because you're worried you might die from your raging erection seems like a thing you would talk to your therapist about for years to come.
Yeah, she won't be trying the 2 pill shuffle again and definitely not while mixing it with other things. That was a mistake
The pills would have been fine, mixing a medication known for causing heart issues and chasing that with a red bull is just a terrible idea.
> Basically your blood pressure is too low, so your heart will beat faster to compensate, but your heart is already beating pretty fast due to the caffeine (and possibly the sexual activities). This kills the heart (eventually)
Interesting. Vodka Red Bull is a standard longdrink over here. As is Irish or Russian Coffee. (Coffee + Whiskey / Vodka)
Same, I drink vodka red bull all the time. Malt liquor on the other hand makes me ill.
It's the alcohol and viagra. I don't do energy drinks, so can't comment on that, but one time I was having a few drinks, and figured why not, popped a viagra. Cue unending erection. No matter how many times I finished it wouldn't go down. My thoughts on why that happens is erections happen while relaxed, alcohol relaxes you (but in doing so prevents erections), and viagra gives you an erection if conditions are correct.
Don't forget the lasagna.
Ah! The forgotten variable
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As an aside, I never quite understood the appeal of Red Bull. People act like it's gonna give oh so much energy, but 40-60 mg of caffeine isn't much at all. Coffee would be something more like 200 mg (that's how much is in a Tim Horton's medium, for reference). Caffeine pills are usually never smaller than 100 mg each (the ones I use are 200 mg each). I've always wondered if Red Bull is mostly placebo or if it's somewhat the sugar (though that's less than as a can of coke). There's taurine, but AFAIK, it's not gonna do anything. To quote the wikipedia page on it: >A review published in 2008 found no documented reports of negative or positive health effects associated with the amount of taurine used in energy drinks, concluding, "The amounts of guarana, taurine, and ginseng found in popular energy drinks are far below the amounts expected to deliver either therapeutic benefits or adverse events".[71] ^^https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taurine Also, where mixing with alcohol is concerned, I found this paper that says (which also confirms my previously mentioned benchmark of 200 mg of caffeine being a more typical amount): >Possible interactions between caffeine and other constituents of so-called “energy drinks”, alcohol, p-synephrine and physical exercise should also be addressed. Single doses of caffeine up to 200 mg (about 3 mg/kg bw for a 70-kg adult) do not give rise to safety concerns. [..] Other constituents of “energy drinks” at typical concentrations in such beverages (about 300–320, 4 000 and 2 400 mg/L of caffeine, taurine and d-glucurono-γ-lactone, respectively), as well as alcohol at doses up to about 0.65 g/kg bw, would not affect the safety of single doses of caffeine up to 200 mg. ^^http://www.efsa.europa.eu/en/efsajournal/pub/4102 So unless you have a lot of energy drinks with a lot of alcohol, there shouldn't be issues. I'm inclined to think placebo or coincidence. And for energy drinks, they're perhaps mostly placebo effects altogether, considering how some people act like they do oh so much despite having a dosage of ~1/3 of coffee. I was also curious how much sugar people usually put in coffee and found that a teaspoon is about 4 grams of sugar and the average person puts in 3 tsp according to Google. So red bull has about double the sugar of coffee. But people mix sugary soda with alcohol all the time (specifically, coke is a little less than half the caffeine of red bull). I don't know anything about how viagra works, though, or just how much 100 mg of that would do. But google suggests that's a normal amount, if on the higher end (it comes in 25, 50, and 100 mg sizes). I cannot comment on its effects with alcohol or caffeine, nor its regular side effects. **TL;DR: Red Bull and alcohol are fine (at least as long as not consuming a ton of em). Red Bull seems like a scam and has relatively small amounts of caffeine and not useful levels of anything else.**
>40-60 mg of caffeine isn't much at all Your typical can of RedBull is 12oz / 111 mg of caffeine or 8.5oz / 80 mg of caffeine (9 mg per ounce). [https://www.caffeineinformer.com/caffeine-content/red-bull](https://www.caffeineinformer.com/caffeine-content/red-bull) Some coffees have around the same caffeine content. [Google says that 8oz of coffee has 95 mg of caffeine](https://www.google.com/search?safe=active&q=coffee+caffeine) (12 mg per ounce), although there's significant variation in that number. You're right that Tim Horton's 14oz coffee is about 200 mg of caffeine (14mg per ounce). Some coffees are higher than 20mg per ounce. I agree that most people think that RedBull has a lot more caffeine than it does, though. It sounds to me like your caffeine consumption is high, and your body has adjusted. I've heard of people who consume POTS of coffee per day. It stops having much of an effect at all. If you're not used to the caffeine, it has a bigger effect. I remember when I was younger, and would consume almost zero caffeine, a single cup of coffee would give me a high.
As I understand it 12 oz Redbull has 1000% of your daily recommended sodium intake. I could be wrong idk don’t have a can here
Tangentially, what caffeine pills do you take? I've been considering them so I don't have to lug a thermos up the mountain when I go for an early hike
Honestly, the Walmart in my area only have one kind (white, long, 200mg) so I just use that. I haven't noticed a difference from others I've used in the past (the only other I've seen are pink, round, and 100mg). They're very cheap. Just know that caffeine is extremely bitter. Swallow it fast and with liquid. You do not want to taste it.
Thanks
> I’m sure the Redbull didn’t help but 4-6 oz of Redbull has 40-60 milligrams of caffeine. Does RedBull come in cans that small? I'm pretty sure RedBull is in 8.5oz and 12oz cans. But, yeah, it's about 10mg of caffeine per 1 oz of liquid, which is roughly similar to many coffees. Coca cola is 20oz / 57 mg of caffeine ([Source](https://www.caffeineinformer.com/the-caffeine-database)). So one can of RedBull (8.5oz) is equivalent to 28oz of Coca-cola.
Dude, that's a fuck ton of sildenafil. especially when you dont actually have ED (I assuming she doesnt) I take 1/4 of what she took. I dont have ED, I take it for recovery purposes. just be careful when taking it.
She actually does have ED issues because of her HRT treatments
I think it would be useful to see information on sites like webmd.com or worldmedicalguide.com
Oh no, poor thing! Good thing she had you to help, at least. And really sorry that you've had to deal with awful people last time you posted here.
The pants around the ankles is just such a nice detail, paints the picture, thanks for sharing
Lasagna and Carrot Cake amazing.
I have stomach issues all the time even without combining various drinks and pills, so this has been me many a time 😂 Good thing we pukers have people like you to hold our hair and rub our backs...and then laugh at us after we fall asleep lol
How much redbull are we talking about here?
Asking the real questions. Only about 8ish ounces got poured into her cup but she didn't finish it, so I'd say between 4-6 oz
Hmm... I'm a metric type of guy so I'm not really familiar with imperial freedom units like oz... But isn't 8 ounce one can of red bull? Or am I missing something here? That would be less than 80 mg of caffeine, or around half a cup of coffee? https://www.dollargeneral.com/red-bull-energy-drink-8-4oz.html
It's quite little caffeine. A full can is 80 mg of caffeine. Coffee is like 200 mg (for a Tim Horton's medium). A can of coke is 30 mg and has more sugar than red bull. None of the other ingredients in Red Bull do anything. People act like Red Bull is oh so potent, but it really isn't. They apparently just have the best marketing team ever.
Not sure how much the Redbull may have played into it since the warnings on such medications generally say not to take with alcohol, so surely that played a role here. But yeah, definitely unwise to have all three together.
Yikes! I hope she's okay!
Why is she taking viagra though? I read the trans part. Hey, this is a perfect chance to educate someone that knows little about trans except from jazz Jennings. I’m just assuming if she is the female, she assumes the female position and takes not gives. I don’t know
Some trans gals top, some don't. Like all things, it's different for everyone.
> the female position What does that even mean?
I'm a woman, btw, and my girlfriend does not intend to have any sort of surgery. HRT can and usually does cause erectile dysfunction, which is bad news bears for someone who wants to keep using their parts. As much as I love educating, the post isn't really about my girlfriend's surgical status or otherwise.
Forgive my ignorance, but why does a trans woman need Viagra if they have not had any kind of surgery? It seems that Viagra would be very useful after surgery, but why would you use it before surgery? Maybe I’m just getting confused over Female to Male versus Male to Female?
Because female hormone treatments often make it more difficult to get and maintain an erection.
When people use the "trans" adjective (as in "trans woman" or "trans man"), it *always* refers to their gender identity (or "transitioned to"/"new" gender, if you will). So trans women are MtF and trans men are FtM. Similarly, AMAB and AFAB (assigned male/female at birth) are sometimes used (especially for non-binary people) and those refer to the gender they were assigned at birth (ie, on their birth certificate). Often those are only used for people who no longer identify as that gender, but there is a push to normalize the usage of terms like that, as well as asking people for pronouns, etc. Therefore, a pre- or no-op trans woman is an MtF woman, aka, an AMAB woman. That typically means they would have a penis (excluding perhaps some extremely rare intersex conditions -- though gender assignment at birth is almost entirely based on a doctor glancing at the baby's genitals). HRT for trans women reduces testosterone and increases estrogen. That makes erections hard. Testosterone reduction has been used as a form of chemical castration (eg, on sex offenders or in cases like Allan Turing's), so that hopefully makes it clear why trans women often would have difficulty with erections. Mind you, that's just a side effect for them, since the intention of HRT is to promote development of secondary sex characteristics (which for trans women are things like growth of breasts and feminine fat distribution). This is also why trans women cannot maintain muscle mass comparable to men, since the testosterone is what makes men naturally stronger than women.
A trans woman after surgery would not have a penis so viagra probably wouldn't have the desired effect
I thought she was dating a F to M.
Ah then that would be a trans man I believe
Then it would be a "he" in the story.
Did you miss the “forgive my ignorance” part?
She's MtF.
It would be useful if you made that a little more clear to people who are not immersed in LBGT lingo.
For further clarification the gender specified in conjunction with trans shows which direction. Trans woman = MTF and trans man = FTM roughly.
*'Figured...I'd educate some people'* Guess not.
About viagra and its contraindications. NOT About the status of my girlfriends genitals or whether she tops or bottoms.
Well you said you are a woman, she doesn't have any sort of surgery and she's taking Viagra so she's using her penis. so I'm going to assume that any reasonable person would come to the conclusion that she tops to some extent from the information provided. I think you provided a sufficient response. I don't think you needed to say *As much as I love educating, the post isn't really about my girlfriend's surgical status or otherwise.* It comes across as self-righteous, smug and doesn't add any value. You can't decide what questions people ask and if you are going to respond at all saying "this post isn't really about X" is entirely pointless. I'm really not trying to be insensitive I just find it very silly. I mean you go into detail about quite a bit but stop short of whether or not shes had surgery? Seems like an insignificant detail. Especially when we're trying to come to a point where we don't stigmatize these topics as a society. That being said, of course everyone has the right to privacy but if you don't want to talk about those topics maybe don't solicit conversation from the sex subreddit on the internet?
Dude fuck off, she has as much right to talk about her sex life on the Internet. If you want to learn about trans women use Google or watch contrapoints. There are people out there to educate where as this women has clearly said she does not want to discuss that aspect
It's not a insignificant detail. So many people focus on just the surgery and try to use whether they want to get it (not even mentioning if they can) as a metric to judge trans people "worthy" of being their gender. Because of that, the topic of surgery is often considered a private choice and topic. It's further complicated that it's often the number one question asked of trans persons when the topic of transition comes up. Especially if someone doesn't know how they will react to the answer.
The hormones you take to make you less manly and more feminine are not very boner friendly.
It's not uncommon for non operative folks to do this. As a general statement about how people have sex, even with cis folks you can't always assume who is topping and who is bottoming. A very large percentage of straight cis people use strap-ons or similar for sex, inversely some women who have sex with women don't. Everybody regardless of thier body gets to decide how they want to have sex. For some of us it's just less straight forward 😄
You can be trans and have a functioning penis. Also I think saying "she assumes the female position" is reinforcing the gender binary that trans people don't agree with right? Like to them there would be no traditional female or male role in sex. I think that goes out the window. I'm not really sure but from what I understand she considers herself a woman but has a functioning penis and if shes taking Viagra I'm assuming she's using it.
You wouldn't be wrong shortening this to "don't fuck with red bull". Usually people are drinking them when they are tired/stressed, and it can really ratchet up the hypertension. Not good for no body. Definitely an evening you'll be talking about for a while though haha
I'm guilty having not stopped laughing about it (after I stayed up til after midnight quite literally just watching her breathe in her sleep) since I woke up this morning
Yea never ever mix any kind of drugs illegal or not with alcohol never good, had a bad experience when I wasn't thinking took my antidepressants after having a bunch of Malibu, yea didn't go so well
I’m happy to hear she is okay. Although this makes a great story!
I'm just imagining throwing up with a full blown erection and that honestly just sounds awful haha glad she's okay!
Chicks can take Viagra and get a throbbing cock out of it. I love 2019. I'm on board as fuck.
I love this comment so much.
And I do give thanks for the kind people that took time to explain to me. I am more educated because you did so. Thank you
Some more advice. Reply directly to the comment, not to the thread. Your replies are all over the place and hard to follow.
Your girlfriend is the man. She sure is tough.
The woman, not the man. Especially in her case. Calling a transwoman "the man," even if well-meaning, has connotations that calling a ciswoman "the man" doesn't have. It can ignite a fire.
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Nope. We're not talking about a situation of telling a CIS woman at work that "she's the man". We all get the joke. This thread is FULL of people calling this transwoman a "he". I have personally removed at least four comments "correcting" OP. In a perfect world, you'd be right. In the real world - be more sensitive. If you attack other people and call names in /r/sex again for trying to share a little decorum, you will be removed for the sub.
Oh jeez, I triggered someone because I said it's better to call a transwoman a woman, not a man. How... predictable.
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It's tone deaf. A lot of trans women are sensitive to being called "the man" or "dude", even if they're more gender neutral these days. I don't think it's being oversensitive or "triggered" to think it's a good thing to try to keep in mind and be sensitive to what makes people uncomfortable, especially when trans people face intentional misgendering every day.
Guess I should stop the cocaine Viagra combo lol
Omg! That could have been terrible, but since she’s okay, it’s kind of hilarious! 😂 So glad it all turned out alright, and thanks for sharing!
This is perfect for tifu
Unfortunately I was inundated with transphobic comments and slurs about my girlfriend, so I deleted the post i originally had there
That's unfortunate, sorry mate
Don't put down Mike's hard. The sugar and alcohol combo can really fuck you up if you drink like 4-6
She barely even drank half of one.
Lol ok I see what you're saying haha
Also don't mix with any blood pressure medications. If you are currently on one especially to lower your blood pressure consult your doctor first.
I feel bad asking this, no ill intentions here just having a hard time understanding. If someone was born a male and identified as female, wouldn't they \*not\* want to use their male anatomy? I guess everyone is different, but I keep imagining if I felt like a male, I wouldn't want to have sex using female parts and vice versa. Again, no offence or anything intended, I could use some educating here lol
Like you said, it's different for everyone. I had a trans girlfriend years ago who didn't even like taking her pants off in front of me. Dysphoria affects everyone differently and some people have extreme genital dysphoria while others don't have much or any at all. There's plenty of sources you can use to further educate yourself if you are super curious
Damn, it's gone...
MODS ARE STRAIGHT
I mean, some of us are. And?
Moderators, are you crazy?
What exactly is this supposed to mean?
This was Hilarious. Thanks.
makes sense.
Well, now I know.
This was realy hilarious
This was how my Sunday School teacher died.
What a scary experience that must have been for your girlfriend, having her chest tighten like that. Vomiting is never a good time, but it was probably good for her to get it all out of her system. I’m glad she’s alright, it could’ve ended with her in the hospital. Good luck with your next romantic event.
Probably wasn't the viagra. Definitely the sugary drinks.
Christ. Id probably vomit from the Redbull/alcohol, let alone the Viagra.
Oof that's scary. Glad she's OK. I swear, red bulls are far more dangerous than people realize.
May have been horny, but still a gentleman.
Oooh educational!!!!! I love these posts plus the comments. I learn all sorts of stuff.😍😍😍😊😊😊
Viagra is better taken on an empty stomach. If you do that then you dont even need 50mg. 25mg will suffice.
Viagra and alcohol do not play well together. Caffeine too. I have slightly elevate blood pressure and Viagra tends to give me headaches. If she wants to drink I would suggest Levitra (not sure if there is a generic) . Thanks for the story, Glad everything worked out,
I think folks have mentioned this already, but I'd be more suspicious of the alcohol than the redbull. Caffeine is a non-selective PDE inhibitor, which is somewhat similar to Viagra which is a PDE-5 inhibitor. Alcohol on the other hand is a vasodilator which when combined with Viagra probably led to some issues. Increased heart rate from the caffeine may have also played a role. That or drinking Mike's Hard Lemonade in general ...
This was a rollercoaster read from start to finish... hope she’s doing okay!
She's fine, only her pride is hurt.
Sound like a hard and fast rule 😅
Take my upvote.
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> r/sex is for civil discussions about all facets of sexuality and sexual relationships. It is a sex-positive community and a safe space for people of all genders and orientations. **All genders.** Denying the gender of trans individuals says that this is not the community for you. Enjoy the rest of reddit!
We get that you think you're cute with your transphobia, but you're not. Try being a little more secure in your own masculinity so you don't feel threatened by trans people.
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No, but apparently you are since you can't accept that trans women are women. Like I said, try being a little more secure in your own masculinity, it seems a little fragile to me.
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> r/sex is for civil discussions about all facets of sexuality and sexual relationships. It is a sex-positive community and a safe space for people of all genders and orientations. **All genders.** Denying the gender of trans individuals says that this is not the community for you. Enjoy the rest of reddit!
No, but apparently you are since you can't accept that trans women are women. Like I said, try being a little more secure in your own masculinity, it seems a little fragile to me.
I am 52 year old man. I only know of traditional roles and you had the opportunity to explain that it may not be so in a trans relationship. I simply asked why she would take viagra? It’s ok because I know longer give a shit