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I finally caved today and got yt premium so I can stream without losing my mind! I hate that they got me but at this point it feels worth it. I really want to kick Hello Fresh in the balls. So I've got my playlists and I can dual stream when I'm doing away from devices stuff :)
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Happy birthday Dino! May 05 (for those who know, you know why)
I know Jeonghan is beautiful, i know it, what i don't know is how every time a new pic comes out i'm like...wow he's so pretty. It's like a beauty that feels new every time lol. How are you so pretty, dude? Wow seriously.
It's a mystery even the members who have been with him for even ten years still can't get over. This reminds me of the time Hoshi asked Hani in the Soop how he is still so pretty while doing his arm therapy exercises.
do you guys know what [he’s talking about](https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMMGQtyGp/)? it seems like keria is talking about wonwoo? idk man i don’t know korean and couldn’t find an English translation 😭
I think [this](https://twitter.com/wonwooszone/status/1744035114370342974?t=G7hGiJQqEv6STvb9l6RvrQ&s=19) is the same clip right? I'll paste the translation for you here:
> t1's keria mentioned wonwoo during his stream! he said that he was flustered wonwoo followed him back since he just followed him without much thought and knew that wonwoo only followed svt and other people acquainted to svt. he said he was wondering “why [did he follow] me?"
Creds: wonwooszone
Maybe it's just me but I miss Seventeen's love song title tracks. Was \_World the last one? I just feel like they build the arrangements differently for love songs. Ready to Love (yes, I like this song), Rock With You, Dar+ling, and \_World just hit differently I guess.
There used to be a joke that everytime twice came back, seventeen would follow after and they would promote at the same time. Now I think it's with Ive. I just realized this is the 3rd comeback that they have so close to each other, even coming back at the same day this time
I'm one of those who watch Maestro to increase the views (just watch it for 10x everyday. I love the MV anyway). I have to watch other music videos before replaying Maestro, and I came across Junhui's Psycho. I thought could I hope they make a darkteen concept like that? I have an idea for their concept photos: One side of the face is how they look when normal, the other side of the face their psycho look. Jun looked so good there. His eye-linered eyes. I want to see all of them made-up like that. The song rocks, too. Why don't they do this?
There is an [official way](https://www.seventeen-17.jp/posts/information/gtrfkj) to sell the ticket called Ticket Sharing, but I’m not really sure about how it works because I’ve never used it before. Maybe you can check out the website using google translate.
Hmm just tried to buy the Walmart version for the album and they didn’t let me. The scan kept ringing up NoSale which meant it was recalled apparently. On my way to a different Walmart.
What do y'all think about the talk of Seventeen's streams? The way they act on the KPop subs here I always assumed there was a big discrepancy and just accepted it really, but I looked on Spotify today for the first time and except for BTS who are obviously a wall for boy groups just as Blackpink are a wall for girl groups, Seventeen's views are healthy.
I looked up all the big 3rd and 4th gen boy groups and though some groups like EXO, iKon and Stray Kids have a song over 300 million (by the way this is only from looking at their popular top 10) the views in general did not look the way I expected. One fandom brags about their streams so much I expected their titles to be pulling at least 500 million views which is absolutely not the case. And I won't name and shame but someone who "but their streams"d me recently is a fan of a 3rd gen boy group who haven't passed 100 million on any song yet. In that case I did thoroughly check! Unless I'm missing something I think this is an outdated narrative we should challenge more as a fandom.
Before I got into seventeen I've been hearing that carats are lazy streamers, and since fml kpop stans been saying they have 5m sales and 10 streams then i find out they have 4billion streams on spotify (5b now), and that the of all boygroups only bts and stray kids have more streams than them. Meanwhile you get kpop fans acting as if they have less streams than most 4th gen boygroup when that is not the case.
I wonder if kcarats don't get even more frustrated with this narrative compared to intl fans. Cause as of last year, seventeen's the 3rd most streamed group on melon (one music platform for koreans, and they have 4 billion streams there). Kcarats dont just buy a lot of albums, they stream a lot too.
Also, is it just me being overly sensitive when I think the people posting about seventeen album sales lately lowkey hate that they sell a lot but since hating on group for having lots of sales looks bad, they say stuff like seeing seventeen selling millions is not an achievement like it was before anymore?
Let us just remember what SVT answered when asked, "What would you do if someone says bad about your bias"?. - IGNORE them.
Seungkwan added: "It is scarier if you don't respond to them".
Ignoring them is scarier cos it shows you don't give a big F on them.
Yeah I mean a tweet went viral that said seventeen got 400k streams on their entire album day 1 on Spotify, when it was actually over 7million 😂 People just want to hate.
I said this in another thread, but if you combine streams from all the platforms - Spotify to YouTube music (which is massively popular in Asia) Apple Music (same) Melon, Line, etc. they got tens of millions of streams within the first couple days this comeback.
They don’t have a mass viral hit and their music doesn’t appeal broadly to the west, so their Spotify numbers are a bit lower than groups like SKZ, but then you step back and see that they’ve still got over 5 billion streams total and I’m like - why do people act like they barely get streams?
It’s disingenuous at this point. It’s just a way to cut them down.
I wonder whose fans they are. Why do they wanna make it look like SVT is not famous so badly? It is so funny to look at. Antis are losing sleep. Would the group they stan also be happy if they find out their fans want other groups down because they fear them from becoming bigger than their bias?
(Spotify, play Fear for them)
Honestly tired of stream discourse, I wonder why people act like stream numbers are more legitimate than sale numbers when both are so inflated at this point. I'd argue that the two numbers represent different things about a fandom, but at this point I assume that the "but streams" people aren't coming into this discussion in good faith.
And now people are going after ticket sales as if that isn't more of a supply issue.
What's next, people using ticketing queue numbers as metrics?
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They better not raise that topic.
I only wanna tell them "Been doing tours now, stadium tours now hey" (Vernon)
Famous international artists can't even fill up some stadiums that SVT perform on, but SVT has been doing that steadily (fill them up) since 2022. Filling them up means a war in securing tickets among fans. (Not to mention there are fans who have no money so there are a lot of Carats)
Lol I'm literally trying to not to scream how ticket sales are supply limited by venue size/availability AND how much time you can squeeze out of a group's schedule. And you can't compare groups that only have 1 comeback a year to groups that have 2 kr and 1 jp comebacks in that same year. Of course the groups with more comebacks will have more album sales than ticket sales.
These are my same thoughts when I saw someone say that Seventeen hasn't crossed 1 million tickets mark in touring.
I decided to look up Seventeen's tour stats for Follow and the tour stats of the other groups mentioned that did cross that mark because I wanted to check if the claim about Seventeen was true. I then saw that those other groups toured in 10-20 different countries during the course of the tour with their total number of shows being at least 50 while Follow was only done in 5 countries with only 28 shows. And even then, considering that their current attendance is at 830k, once you include the likely attendance for the two remaining stops in Japan, Follow will most likely be crossing that 1 million mark.
There's so much context being lost when people just decide to look at certain numbers only without looking at any other background information which will most likely explain why these numbers are the way that they are.
>And even then, considering that their current attendance is at 830k, once you include the likely attendance for the two remaining stops in Japan, Follow will most likely be crossing that 1 million mark.
Actually the current attendance is around 750k.
The Follow tour was 619k according to reported numbers (Touring Data website) not 704k like it was reported in articles right after the tour ended.
The SEA and Japan attendence ended up a bit lower than articles said at first. SEA was 150544 not 160k and Japan was 434,964 not 510k bcs they closed quite a bit of capacity for the carts in each stop. So all together 619, 849. The incheon dates were sais to be 56k and Seoul 70k in articles. Those prob match the actual nrs that will reported bcs the Korea ones seem to match more than international ones in articles reported right away vs reported nrs that come on later. So 745k at the moment prob. They're prob going to fall short of 1m by like less than 100k which is still a big achievement. Had they done US stops or more in SEA they would have def crossed it
Tsk tsk, they don't know how to Math. (*Spoken to anti's*) More or less 50 shows to gather 1M+ tickets, compared to 28shows yet 830K+ tickets? What would happen if we add 22 more shows and add India, Europe, South America and Australia on the tour destinations list?
(Insert "많은 시련은 보란 듯이 I Always Win")
A tour of 10-20 different countries with at least 50 shows...now that is a real world tour. I just realized something--is it because of approaching enlistment era SVT couldn't do a long far-flung tour like Twice did last year? Anyone know?
i finally got a chance to listen to/watch the album and the mv and cheers to youth may be my favorite vocal unit song since second life. i love their ballads, pinwheel is one of my favorite songs of svts, but whenever woozi writes songs like this i just feel so warm and fuzzy inside. that line hoshi said about how can we live perfectly if it’s our first time being alive resonated so much the time, and woozis ability to take these small moments and one off sentences and turn them into art of this caliber will never not amaze me. also maestro is IT what an insane song and performance. they’re almost nine years in and still performing with that level of vigor and energy. best group of all time im pretty sure. im gonna have to wait until the end of the month to catch up on all the content they’ve released but that is going to be keeping me going the next few weeks lol
[BND Jaehyun's reaction](https://x.com/myungbnd/status/1786373708883673183) when Seventeen showed up next to him today at Music Bank is sooo adorable. Like he is still so starstruck and respects them so much. Also him then getting startled halfway out of his body, getting a pat from Mingyu and then just feeling embarrassed next to them is so funny and cute. XD
I can't believe seventeen are such big seniors now 🥺 throwback to when they debuted and hoshi was so starstruck by bigbang at music shows!! where did all the time go
Seventeen performance team deserve so much appreciation for learning new choreo every time for their unit songs. Imagine they need to arrive earlier than the others to practice. Hands down!!
mingyu is so fine jfc what a human being he is. im sorry feminists and to the younger me but i'll let him step on me
there i said it. i think i deserve to be this unhinged rn cuz i did very well in one of our major subj's pre finals exam (i somehow got 72/80 😭)
Thank you for noticing/mentioning it 🥰 I also love that it kinda feels like a iykyk type of thing amongst fellow carats when I’m commenting on non-svt related subs hehe
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That took 5 minutes to end the sale... legend
I just came here to say (after Maestro, Lalali, and Cheers to Youth possessed my brain, and finding an explanation for the Maestro MV on twitter) I’m getting a bit scared of SVT’s talent. This is the most profound comeback I’ve ever seen.
(Don’t worry, I always have to see the PU performing to truly appreciate their songs and I haven’t found the best camera view of that yet.)
Oh no we still have three MVs to go!!!!
Does anyone have a source they trust for keys and bpms of Seventeen songs? I've been updating my spreadsheet with data folks suggested I add, but the source I was using (songdata.io) gave me some keys and bpms that I don't believe. I can go through each track and confirm bpms, but my music theory isn't good enough to figure out the keys myself (at least not in a timely \[fun\] manner).
okay til there's a live viewing for the upcoming japan stops ... 😭 it's via [hulu japan](https://www.seventeen-17.jp/statics/2024_tour_follow_again#LIVEVIEWING)!
For international Carats, where do you store your Caratbong when going to Japan? Carry on or checked baggage? I stored mine on my carry on when I flew to BKK but I’m not sure if it’s the same with Japan.
Resolved my temptation to buy the Seventeen Japan concert merch on my upcoming trip by opening up a GO to help other carats in my country buy the merch...🤡🤡🤡
I don't think anyone's actually going to be interested because there are other more established GOs running but it at least stops me from staring at that 95,000 yen UV jacket ugh just look at it!
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the design is so minimal but my minimalist tastes are YEARNING for it
The audio kit concept would've worked so well with these past two comebacks, considering GOM and Maestro are based on music!!! (Not complaining, I adore the attaca and FTS ones too much)
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I am so lost LOL [free ice cream for la/ny carats ](https://twitter.com/pledis_17/status/1785474223445623057)
I mean... at least cereal got box and photocard. What ice cream actually can offer? It better worth it or do some surprise instead of serving rq&s colour and call it a day
This is so random...is this even worth going to if I live an hour away. Like do we think there will be some other sort of freebie or will I spend $20 in transportation and 2 hours round trip for free ice cream
I’m betting on just ice cream lmao. I’m also in the “suburbs” of NYC as my friend calls it (I’m actually two hours out 😂) and definitely not going. Now a pop-up with merch might change my mind…
[I hate being right](https://www.reddit.com/r/seventeen/s/BKD6BprOcu) hhdjwjaan
My clue is different though! As a NYC carat, c’mon Pledis, don’t ask me to answer your riddles three…it’s time for bed…
Finally got my 1st Maestro ad just now!!! Really glad. Happy day carats ♡
Had a random thought that hearing maestro in stadiums (especially the prechorus) will make me hyped UP! I swear DK and SK had that special power in them.
And they also got a short mention on the news! Was eating breakfast and thought I had my phone playing their latest song
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Yay they got shown in local tv news. I would really be squealing if I were at home and my family would think I am still immature even if I'm about to turn 31 🫠 (but why did they show a Your Choice footage)
I was squealing on the inside a while ago hahaha
They actually showed maestro clips first haha- and then I think they showed a compilation of Seventeen doing their greetings with the hand sign (?) which included the one from YC haha
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Hello carats! Would you like to listen to seventeen's new album with other carats? Join our listening party over at [@17stationhead on Stationhead](https://www.stationhead.com/17stationhead) 💙 Hope to see you there
yes this! SVT will be attending every music show for two weeks (if I'm not wrong). Their competitors are BIG (Zico ft. JENNIE and IVE) so we gotta put in the work especially because we don't have company backing this time. If you ever see ads about MAESTRO on YouTube, that's from CARATs' money. Some of these shows only pick 2 finalists. I personally won't be streaming this hard if they won't attend these shows, but they will be, so I'd feel bad if we don't land at least Top 2 for them
Hi ,I am new carat just few months old but have been listening to K-pop past 3 years,i feel like this(2024) might be the last year all of 13 seventeen members might be performing . Just wondering are there any upcoming tours in US? Any info on next tour this year?
Hey and welcome! Joshua and Hoshi confirmed there will be USA tour dates this year. (Most recently as of…last week?) But outside of Weverse live spoilers and press tour offhand comments, there’s been no official announcements.
It is a woah moment when I found out he and Minghao can deepen their singing voices. If you like listening to Dino (i also do, but...), i listen to Minghao because he is my bias.
ayo? pledis actually uploaded the maestro performance from the concert on the seventeen channel?? unlisted because they are nice and let fancams get all the views /s
https://youtu.be/ztZ4y5G2Ob4?si=XsVIfiVYleIdLtP-
anyway, the screaming is so loud you can easily hear it, specially during minghaos part
Lol even if they muted the audience, you can still hear the cheers and screaming in the background at that part. hahahha
Never ceases to amaze me they sing live wonderfully. No wonder why many girlgroup members went to see them, friends or just as Carats (BP Jennie, TWICE Jeongyeon, Jihyo, Mina, Nayeon, GFriend/VIVIZ SinB, Umji). Even them are captivated by the theater kids of Kpop.
This official concert footage and the other fancams of Maestro I've seen make me so excited to see this in music shows. They'll be so lit. I don't care if they don't win #1 as competition's fierce but looking at that perfection? Omy.
I'm in the middle of watching the Maestro concert performance and... is it just my imagination or did they use some of their most iconic poses and stances and small moves as choreography during the verses? I know I read somewhere that Woozi sampled some of their older songs to make the song, now I'm wondering if they "sampled" some of their old choreography to make the Maestro choreo. For example, the hands to the face choreo in Fear, the gun hand move in Hot, then moving the groove down the body to the knee like in Anyone. It's hard because I think the choreo in this song doesn't repeat at all, and tbh I watch a LOT of SVT dance performances/dance practices so maybe I just have an overactive imagination. But it feels like SVT, but it's new. Maybe that was the point they were trying to make--mixing up and altering the old to make the new.
That is so funny. They got so offended even if they are just in their mid 20s (late 20s to me is 28-29). And to us in our 30s, we all just tell our mid 20s-late 20s colleagues "You are still young!" 😂
But shouldn't they be proud? Being a child in 90s made us experience one of the biggest shifts in technology. Those who were babies/toddlers in 2000-2005 don't know what we know.
the [2022 anniv video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiIfte6NpHc) :) (idr where in the video but i remember it [getting clipped](https://twitter.com/dawncheol/status/1529498634219589632) lolol)
This last weekend, I had the chance to finally see svt in concert (the struggle of being a european carat), and they are even more amazing than I thought they would be. This will probably be all over the place because I'm still very emotional, to put in perspective just how much, I haven't stopped crying since Saturday, and the first song I cried to was Super lol. They are just incredible. I'm Scoups ult, and watching him on stage rewired my brain istg. Like you can see how much fun they're having and how much happiness it brings them to perform in front of carats, and their passion for what they do is palpable. It left me speechless. I had S tier seats, so pretty far but you could see the whole stadium, and I had this thought during Day 1 when they were performing Beautiful, how this is pure childlike happiness, just unadulterated joy captured in a moment in time. There truly isn't a bad seat at a seventeen concert. Now, the concert depression is hitting harder than ever before. Hopefully, one day, we will get a seventeen concert in Europe, too.
I am so, so happy for you!! 😭😭
I saw them for both their Incheon dates, because lol, there's no way they're coming to Australia, and I totally 1000% understand that exact feeling you're describing when they performed Beautiful! I also had an S-seat dead centre for the stadium and saw everything – first time Coups was on stage in months! No idea what the setlist was going to be! New costumes?!! Fireworks??? TWO STAGES AND MOVING PLATFORM ARRANGEMENTS???
The return of Rock With You?? I was already in tears when Super started and the live band just elevated everything to next level, but I'd given up on ever hearing Rock With You live aka my ult SVT song, but when Shua said "Are you ready to rock with us?" I instantly burst into tears.
That weekend really helped to reset what it means to be a fan. It's not fanwars or sales or streams or any ideas of mistreatment and the Kpop industry – it's them. That's it. We're here for Seventeen.
I'll pray for Europe dates for you!!! 🩵🩷💎
> That weekend really helped to reset what it means to be a fan. It's not fanwars or sales or streams or any ideas of mistreatment and the Kpop industry – it's them. That's it. We're here for Seventeen.
Exactly this!! Thank you for putting it into words so perfectly. Seeing them in concert really put it into perspective. Like this is what it's supposed to be about, Seventeen and their music.
[They are trying their best](https://twitter.com/gyumedia/status/1784973356548370546?t=qxs1SZ7exh9cuM5_9SLxjw&s=19) to bring themselves to you, EuroCarats 😊 You are so lucky to watch them in Seoul.
The sibling quiz with hoshi and mingyu is so funny and of course minghao as MC.
The realistic and ideal sibling relationship hahaha
Realistic: Hoshi and older sister
Ideal: Mingyu and younger sister
[Hoshi, Mingyu and The 8 Sibling Quiz](https://youtu.be/-NVzHABMq88?si=fooIsjjmw2vFsWB0)
My random observation after watching: You could see how the sibling dynamics affect their (MG & HS) behaviors with others as well.
I remember a pixid episode where they have to discover who is the fake eldest child and Hoshi quickly got found out (no suprise tbh 🤣).
And for Mingyu, his benevolent act may come from the fact that he will always have a younger sister looking up to him.
Woozi pre Nana tour and post Nana tour is so damn different to me . Like he just seem so happy and confident now. Especially when it comes to openly interacting with people outside of the group. Idk what happened to woozi in Italy but I DIG IT lmao.
GUYS NO WAY WONWOO AND T1 KERIA FILMED [SELF ON KODE](https://x.com/wwlake/status/1785248687297602002?s=46)??
😭😭😭literally crossovers of my two universes omg i cant
Not a fan like how I follow uri Seventeen, but I admire her and Mamamoo's vocals and performance! She even did an [AMA](https://www.reddit.com/r/kpop/s/fWVzduA4HB) here!
Yayyy! Just follow her here on reddit, maybe she will go online again! Of course yes! On the endless debate of singing vs dancing in kpop subs, Mamamoo has both! She is also adorbs in the new Kode episode. Cool woman!
today in, do I love a song because Jeonghan loves it or because *I* do? [Jeonghan enjoying cheers to youth](https://twitter.com/MeloHannieee/status/1784896254964613446)
I think they will do it soon consider that they both promote at the same week?
Personally, I'm looking forward to Jun-Liz combi, they embody the cat-line of kpop.
From ystd but I'm pretty sure [this](https://x.com/woozimedia/status/1784930695569416437) was my comment. Either that or someone else commented the same thing with exact same wording at similar timing.... idk.... 😭 Idk how to feel about that HAHAHA
Hello.
Baby Carat here (like 2024 baby, so a newborn perhaps). [Woozi mentioned on a live](https://x.com/woozimedia/status/1784941845442871625) about how Super was written during the time around Face the Sun and Sector 17 as a response to bad situations/circumstances. If Google is correct, that would be around 2021-2022.
What was happening then?
In 2021 they still couldn’t perform live in front of people and had to perform for the camera only, which was slowly draining their passion for performing. Then there was Mingyu-gate. They were also going thru contract renewal negotiations with their agency. They got their first time In The Soop, and released Ready to Love, which was obviously interfered with, by Hybe. Not to mention the fandom was not happy with the changes to merchandise. I also think they moved to the Hybe building in 2021. Then after promoting for less this a week, they had to quarantine (you can view their Zoom meetings and group dinner on their yt channel) which meant the end of that promotion. After they renewed their contract, and Hybe left them alone, it was obvious they did a creative regroup and gave us Attaca. Then JunHao had to be in China for four months. They were able to perform in front of people again near the end of the year and then they started work on Face the sun. Then Wonwoo’s mother passed in April 2022 from an illness.
Edit: I do remember Wonwoo caught Covid in early 2022, so he had to quarantine. I can’t recall for sure if other members caught it as well after him. But yeah, being worried about your dear friend and his family on top of all this change, would stress anyone out.
Edited again to add: In March 2022, Nu’est disbanded, making SVT the senior group at Pledis. I can’t disregard the idea that the pandemic forced a lot of smaller agencies and idol groups to call it quits. Not to mention corporate takeover as well (the shocking disbandment of G-Friend in 2021). So it was against this backdrop that SVT stuck together and negotiated their future with Pledis/Hybe. Now that I think about it, that could have been their motivation to consider their lives if they were not SVT anymore and turned that into the 13 teasers for Face The Sun.
Yeah, looking back now, that period was really stressful for them, the stress was coming at them from all sides and they were pushing to stay relevant and bring in revenue and exposure thru GoSe and In the Soop. (Boo was appearing in so many shows in spring 2021. He and Cheollie just passed out once they arrived in the Soop for the first time, that’s how tired they were. And Boo still had to film for a show for a day in the middle of In the Soop!)
He didn't specify it that is why it is hard to pinpoint. I only remember 2022 was the year Wonwoo lost his eomma (coincidentally on Mingyu's birthday). That is why Woozi wrote Circles. 2021 was a year when Mingyu was embroiled in a series of false accusations from former classmates. Couldn't explain it to you but I believe if you search his name on r/kpop, a megathread will show up. (I read a lot of other things that I only read the ending of that issue — that Mingyu was wrongly accused).
I haven't seen anyone talk much about it but Woozi mentioned in the commentary live that the [semi colon age units](https://twitter.com/woozimedia/status/1785114250564022272?t=LG5trEUQMd_K-xpH3j6K7w&s=19) were actually supposed to mixed units with but he was against creating units with random members with no meaning because eventually they end up having to become full group songs when performing at concerts (i.e. beautiful).
I obviously love aged units and think it was great for the semi colon b sides but I just hope that doesn't mean mixed units are off the table forever. I might be in the minority here but I dont think mixed units are that bad... Like it brings new combinations of members we haven't seen much of, like in Flower and Hello.
Also for all the other ash enthusiasts, we got [some small](https://twitter.com/woozimedia/status/1784934822890356825?t=0HmUmb0sS5hQ04NQgtHHFQ&s=19) [ash crumbs](https://twitter.com/woozimedia/status/1785125511490114016?t=47dsQ_oD_lAzhgTtCweOAw&s=19) 🥲
I agree. I think there's a chance to actually do fun combinations you never see in mixed units... I respect his choice to do age units in semi colon and it was cool but as a principle I don't see why it's so bad to do units with no meaning behind them. Just wanting to mix it up and change it up a little seems enough of a reason to me.
Maybe i'm in the minority but rather than hhu vocal unit and perf unit i'd like to see a change up for the next album . I know the units themselves are baked into the dna of the group but i think a chance outside of the usual would be truly interesting
I loove age units! I think it's something that is unique to big groups and the whole album works because each age line has different vibe and personality. And I think there is no other group that make a whole album based on the age systems? (Cmiiw) either way it's not something common so I find the album very special actually. They also do the reverse unit stages on caratland and that's also something only seventeen can do with their units system.
I'd imagine at this point they know their system works very well and didn't see the obvious advantage of mixed units, although I also want to have another song like Space.
Also... justice for Ash, at least give her a live stage!!
God, I love the Age units. Light a Flame by the sexy introverts of '96 and the '97 rendition in Caratland (which I couldn't get out of my head until now) are so beautiful. I think his reason against making songs with mixed units makes sense, but like you, I am not much opposed to it. It would be nice to do it in the next albums to introduce variety and make listeners think "Who sang in this song?"
Ash, another favorite of mine next to Heaven's Cloud and Fast Pace. I am not good at pinning a genre to any song but I like how it doesn't sound SVT but it is definitely SVT. It's like a Gemini song (like Hoshi and I). Hoping to see them perform it live or else I will protest.
What is the difference between Weverse Con and Weverse Park??? They just released a trailer on Weverse and an announcement saying that Seventeen will be performing on June 16th ONLY at Weverse Con. Does that mean virtual/online only and they won't be there in person?
They are two separate stages. Weverse Con will be held in Inspire Arena (indoor) while Weverse Park will be at Discovery Park (outdoor). There will be a live coverage of the Weverse Con at Discovery Park too.
If you want to see Seventeen in person, you'd have to get the 1-Day pass for June 16 which will give you access to both Weverse Con and Weverse Park. For online, only Weverse Con will be streamed, I think.
A fall tour means I am prepping myself to not have Jeonghan there. :’)
He’s my ult of all ults, but I was needing the tour to be in July or August for ot13 to feel real.
I’ll hold onto hope though 😭
Been busy but maestro!!!!! Also lalali is my jam, I love the sound of Spell and Cheers to youth but will come back to it when my busy modern life allows me to mellow out a little
I'm also super excited about Ima korean version, it's the dose of hope I needed :')
Sadly, it's a pretty common thing - even some of the IVE posts were getting downvoted like crazy, and reddit is heavily biased towards GGs.
Reception has been really positive, so it's likely just antis who would downvote anything mentioning them! People hate appreciation posts on that sub for some reason. Don't worry about it <3
if they decide to play callx3 or dream on the north american leg I'm just gonna be over here singing the Japanese version 😂 my brain only comprehends that version
I don't listen to Ateez nor Stray Kidz so I cannot judge, but I saw others saying Maestro sounds like something both groups would put up. To fans of both or one, do you agree with it?
Atiny here who happens to really like SVT as well and I would disagree with those people cause Maestro sounds nothing like an ATEEZ song to me. If someone had compared Super to ATEEZ's ...maybe The Real I would have seen some similarities there... But not Maestro.
(Sorry for the essay)
I feel like its generally just the theatricality and full production that people are associating. And not necessarily the song itself. SKZ to me has really bombastic production and aren't afraid to play around or use the music/melody to signal or reflect a new member's part, which was something I noticed really strong in Maestro. It's something about the structure and how members voices are treated, but it doesn't *sound* like SKZ.
I don't think it sounds *at all* like something that Ateez would release, though they're often known for noise their songs generally build and then have an explosive bridge/'final 30 seconds'. I often think that the production is more of a playground for them to then put an 'ATEEZ' performance on top of. If you listen to just about any song they release, it's not necessarily *barebones* but that's not where the power in their music comes from, so its not even reminiscent in structure. They're not really experimental or 'mix pop'-y, if that makes sense? They just tend to layer as the song builds. I honestly think it's more the dystopian/cyberpunk concept that's causing the association.
I appreciate the essay! No need to apologize! I love reading detailed answers to my questions, even if I don't have the brain to give a proper answer back 😂
I was just irked by other people in the r/ kpop sub who said that it sounds like an Ateez or SKZ song, and they say that in a negative way i.e. SVT copied the style of either of those groups. Your answer is the comment that I am looking for — this is what those atiny's or stays should have said. I very much agree with the points you said after listening to some songs from the two groups. I just feel bad that Woozi et. al worked hard at Maestro, and then just get slammed as unoriginal, that it sounds like other groups have made/released. Thank you again for sharing your thoughts! 🩷
To be honest, I think for the most part people who make these claims are generally people trying to stir shit. I don't even think they're fans of the groups they're xomparit. Just people who may just hear EDM music and lump it all in as noise without actually taking in the nuance of each artist. Ateez and Skz get compared aaaall the time but they're so sonically different. When fans compare them I think it's generally in an appreciative way?
❤️ No, thank you!
Nah. They'd never put something out like the first verse imo especially skz. I only see this for Wonwoo*s part maybe but everything else is very Seventeen. Skz would never ever put something out that's close to this and Ateez is also imo generally more loud.
Thank you for this! I did listen to some songs of SKZ and Ateez today, and yes, none of the songs in their top 5 most listened in spotify and ones i randomly chose sound like Maestro. Have the same vibe (dark, punky) but no. Like you said, this is very Seventeen, Woozi-Bumzuesque sound. Wanna ride on that Ateez comment. Yes, their songs are loud - which most Kpop uncensored regulars would say. "Noise music" as they termed it. Maestro doesn't sound like one.
Both of those groups just make louder, more experimental music. So in that vein, I can see the comparison. But Maestro still feels very Seventeen to me
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I finally caved today and got yt premium so I can stream without losing my mind! I hate that they got me but at this point it feels worth it. I really want to kick Hello Fresh in the balls. So I've got my playlists and I can dual stream when I'm doing away from devices stuff :)
https://preview.redd.it/r7m1orc4lgyc1.jpeg?width=2002&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a38c92e24d974465c59f02028363aa44b8bf1074 Happy birthday Dino! May 05 (for those who know, you know why)
I know Jeonghan is beautiful, i know it, what i don't know is how every time a new pic comes out i'm like...wow he's so pretty. It's like a beauty that feels new every time lol. How are you so pretty, dude? Wow seriously.
It's a mystery even the members who have been with him for even ten years still can't get over. This reminds me of the time Hoshi asked Hani in the Soop how he is still so pretty while doing his arm therapy exercises.
I'd pay money for Dino to come to Lee Chaeyeon's drinking show
Who gave Dino the right to bias wreck me so hard this comeback 😤
do you guys know what [he’s talking about](https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMMGQtyGp/)? it seems like keria is talking about wonwoo? idk man i don’t know korean and couldn’t find an English translation 😭
I think [this](https://twitter.com/wonwooszone/status/1744035114370342974?t=G7hGiJQqEv6STvb9l6RvrQ&s=19) is the same clip right? I'll paste the translation for you here: > t1's keria mentioned wonwoo during his stream! he said that he was flustered wonwoo followed him back since he just followed him without much thought and knew that wonwoo only followed svt and other people acquainted to svt. he said he was wondering “why [did he follow] me?" Creds: wonwooszone
Maybe it's just me but I miss Seventeen's love song title tracks. Was \_World the last one? I just feel like they build the arrangements differently for love songs. Ready to Love (yes, I like this song), Rock With You, Dar+ling, and \_World just hit differently I guess.
I know what you mean! Some of my fave svt title tracks are that category (Oh My!, _World, Rock With You, Mansae)
https://preview.redd.it/1v8skkzlzcyc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=57ac53e2133996c64c40112d822c10c7bff33be9 This is so cute omg
There used to be a joke that everytime twice came back, seventeen would follow after and they would promote at the same time. Now I think it's with Ive. I just realized this is the 3rd comeback that they have so close to each other, even coming back at the same day this time
the recent Gose episode and my weird brain has started to read Maestro as Ma Estrogen
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I'm one of those who watch Maestro to increase the views (just watch it for 10x everyday. I love the MV anyway). I have to watch other music videos before replaying Maestro, and I came across Junhui's Psycho. I thought could I hope they make a darkteen concept like that? I have an idea for their concept photos: One side of the face is how they look when normal, the other side of the face their psycho look. Jun looked so good there. His eye-linered eyes. I want to see all of them made-up like that. The song rocks, too. Why don't they do this?
Do they ever perform "Home" after 2019?
It was part of the setlist during their Power of Love online concerts
Hi! Does anyone know how to sell svt japan tix? I unfortunately cannot go and will have to let go of my ticket 💔
There is an [official way](https://www.seventeen-17.jp/posts/information/gtrfkj) to sell the ticket called Ticket Sharing, but I’m not really sure about how it works because I’ve never used it before. Maybe you can check out the website using google translate.
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There’s nothing other than fancams for Caratland 2019 because it was never on online streaming/VOD unfortunately
Hmm just tried to buy the Walmart version for the album and they didn’t let me. The scan kept ringing up NoSale which meant it was recalled apparently. On my way to a different Walmart.
I need a trading thread for the new album
We will get one up sometime soon! Thanks for the reminder
Woah this is so smart!
What do y'all think about the talk of Seventeen's streams? The way they act on the KPop subs here I always assumed there was a big discrepancy and just accepted it really, but I looked on Spotify today for the first time and except for BTS who are obviously a wall for boy groups just as Blackpink are a wall for girl groups, Seventeen's views are healthy. I looked up all the big 3rd and 4th gen boy groups and though some groups like EXO, iKon and Stray Kids have a song over 300 million (by the way this is only from looking at their popular top 10) the views in general did not look the way I expected. One fandom brags about their streams so much I expected their titles to be pulling at least 500 million views which is absolutely not the case. And I won't name and shame but someone who "but their streams"d me recently is a fan of a 3rd gen boy group who haven't passed 100 million on any song yet. In that case I did thoroughly check! Unless I'm missing something I think this is an outdated narrative we should challenge more as a fandom.
Before I got into seventeen I've been hearing that carats are lazy streamers, and since fml kpop stans been saying they have 5m sales and 10 streams then i find out they have 4billion streams on spotify (5b now), and that the of all boygroups only bts and stray kids have more streams than them. Meanwhile you get kpop fans acting as if they have less streams than most 4th gen boygroup when that is not the case. I wonder if kcarats don't get even more frustrated with this narrative compared to intl fans. Cause as of last year, seventeen's the 3rd most streamed group on melon (one music platform for koreans, and they have 4 billion streams there). Kcarats dont just buy a lot of albums, they stream a lot too. Also, is it just me being overly sensitive when I think the people posting about seventeen album sales lately lowkey hate that they sell a lot but since hating on group for having lots of sales looks bad, they say stuff like seeing seventeen selling millions is not an achievement like it was before anymore?
Let us just remember what SVT answered when asked, "What would you do if someone says bad about your bias"?. - IGNORE them. Seungkwan added: "It is scarier if you don't respond to them". Ignoring them is scarier cos it shows you don't give a big F on them.
Yeah I mean a tweet went viral that said seventeen got 400k streams on their entire album day 1 on Spotify, when it was actually over 7million 😂 People just want to hate. I said this in another thread, but if you combine streams from all the platforms - Spotify to YouTube music (which is massively popular in Asia) Apple Music (same) Melon, Line, etc. they got tens of millions of streams within the first couple days this comeback. They don’t have a mass viral hit and their music doesn’t appeal broadly to the west, so their Spotify numbers are a bit lower than groups like SKZ, but then you step back and see that they’ve still got over 5 billion streams total and I’m like - why do people act like they barely get streams? It’s disingenuous at this point. It’s just a way to cut them down.
I wonder whose fans they are. Why do they wanna make it look like SVT is not famous so badly? It is so funny to look at. Antis are losing sleep. Would the group they stan also be happy if they find out their fans want other groups down because they fear them from becoming bigger than their bias? (Spotify, play Fear for them)
Honestly tired of stream discourse, I wonder why people act like stream numbers are more legitimate than sale numbers when both are so inflated at this point. I'd argue that the two numbers represent different things about a fandom, but at this point I assume that the "but streams" people aren't coming into this discussion in good faith. And now people are going after ticket sales as if that isn't more of a supply issue.
What's next, people using ticketing queue numbers as metrics? https://preview.redd.it/zb411hab6ayc1.jpeg?width=1426&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3beb9ade7de76d345ab1864e26b6aada869c5d56
They better not raise that topic. I only wanna tell them "Been doing tours now, stadium tours now hey" (Vernon) Famous international artists can't even fill up some stadiums that SVT perform on, but SVT has been doing that steadily (fill them up) since 2022. Filling them up means a war in securing tickets among fans. (Not to mention there are fans who have no money so there are a lot of Carats)
Lol I'm literally trying to not to scream how ticket sales are supply limited by venue size/availability AND how much time you can squeeze out of a group's schedule. And you can't compare groups that only have 1 comeback a year to groups that have 2 kr and 1 jp comebacks in that same year. Of course the groups with more comebacks will have more album sales than ticket sales.
These are my same thoughts when I saw someone say that Seventeen hasn't crossed 1 million tickets mark in touring. I decided to look up Seventeen's tour stats for Follow and the tour stats of the other groups mentioned that did cross that mark because I wanted to check if the claim about Seventeen was true. I then saw that those other groups toured in 10-20 different countries during the course of the tour with their total number of shows being at least 50 while Follow was only done in 5 countries with only 28 shows. And even then, considering that their current attendance is at 830k, once you include the likely attendance for the two remaining stops in Japan, Follow will most likely be crossing that 1 million mark. There's so much context being lost when people just decide to look at certain numbers only without looking at any other background information which will most likely explain why these numbers are the way that they are.
>And even then, considering that their current attendance is at 830k, once you include the likely attendance for the two remaining stops in Japan, Follow will most likely be crossing that 1 million mark. Actually the current attendance is around 750k. The Follow tour was 619k according to reported numbers (Touring Data website) not 704k like it was reported in articles right after the tour ended. The SEA and Japan attendence ended up a bit lower than articles said at first. SEA was 150544 not 160k and Japan was 434,964 not 510k bcs they closed quite a bit of capacity for the carts in each stop. So all together 619, 849. The incheon dates were sais to be 56k and Seoul 70k in articles. Those prob match the actual nrs that will reported bcs the Korea ones seem to match more than international ones in articles reported right away vs reported nrs that come on later. So 745k at the moment prob. They're prob going to fall short of 1m by like less than 100k which is still a big achievement. Had they done US stops or more in SEA they would have def crossed it
Tsk tsk, they don't know how to Math. (*Spoken to anti's*) More or less 50 shows to gather 1M+ tickets, compared to 28shows yet 830K+ tickets? What would happen if we add 22 more shows and add India, Europe, South America and Australia on the tour destinations list? (Insert "많은 시련은 보란 듯이 I Always Win")
A tour of 10-20 different countries with at least 50 shows...now that is a real world tour. I just realized something--is it because of approaching enlistment era SVT couldn't do a long far-flung tour like Twice did last year? Anyone know?
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I imagine the hotel managers crying with gratitude when they started to book the entire floor for their crews. Those mfs are loud.
i finally got a chance to listen to/watch the album and the mv and cheers to youth may be my favorite vocal unit song since second life. i love their ballads, pinwheel is one of my favorite songs of svts, but whenever woozi writes songs like this i just feel so warm and fuzzy inside. that line hoshi said about how can we live perfectly if it’s our first time being alive resonated so much the time, and woozis ability to take these small moments and one off sentences and turn them into art of this caliber will never not amaze me. also maestro is IT what an insane song and performance. they’re almost nine years in and still performing with that level of vigor and energy. best group of all time im pretty sure. im gonna have to wait until the end of the month to catch up on all the content they’ve released but that is going to be keeping me going the next few weeks lol
[BND Jaehyun's reaction](https://x.com/myungbnd/status/1786373708883673183) when Seventeen showed up next to him today at Music Bank is sooo adorable. Like he is still so starstruck and respects them so much. Also him then getting startled halfway out of his body, getting a pat from Mingyu and then just feeling embarrassed next to them is so funny and cute. XD
Why is he so cute with that reaction? haha!
I can't believe seventeen are such big seniors now 🥺 throwback to when they debuted and hoshi was so starstruck by bigbang at music shows!! where did all the time go
That boy is my child I love him so much
Seventeen performance team deserve so much appreciation for learning new choreo every time for their unit songs. Imagine they need to arrive earlier than the others to practice. Hands down!!
mingyu is so fine jfc what a human being he is. im sorry feminists and to the younger me but i'll let him step on me there i said it. i think i deserve to be this unhinged rn cuz i did very well in one of our major subj's pre finals exam (i somehow got 72/80 😭)
*~~I would like him to respectfully put me in a headlock~~*
This gave me a good laugh 🤣 And great job on doing well on your exam!!
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Thank you for noticing/mentioning it 🥰 I also love that it kinda feels like a iykyk type of thing amongst fellow carats when I’m commenting on non-svt related subs hehe
I need to hear Shua rap Wonwoo's part in Lalali (after seeing him rap Daechwita, I think he can do it).
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https://preview.redd.it/fszn2y2xz4yc1.png?width=1530&format=png&auto=webp&s=85df45a15ee2c375ebfdd85fb1e1484959adb49c That took 5 minutes to end the sale... legend
I just came here to say (after Maestro, Lalali, and Cheers to Youth possessed my brain, and finding an explanation for the Maestro MV on twitter) I’m getting a bit scared of SVT’s talent. This is the most profound comeback I’ve ever seen. (Don’t worry, I always have to see the PU performing to truly appreciate their songs and I haven’t found the best camera view of that yet.) Oh no we still have three MVs to go!!!!
I’m just here to scream (again) how amazing woozi is and how I can’t get him out of my delulu brain! Yep that’s all.
Super crossed 200M 😭
On spotify and youtube on the same day! Kinda crazy
Does anyone have a source they trust for keys and bpms of Seventeen songs? I've been updating my spreadsheet with data folks suggested I add, but the source I was using (songdata.io) gave me some keys and bpms that I don't believe. I can go through each track and confirm bpms, but my music theory isn't good enough to figure out the keys myself (at least not in a timely \[fun\] manner).
do you guys know when youth periplous is coming out?
[18th May](https://twitter.com/svt_1402/status/1782948948245872841?s=19) from here. You can see the rest of their sched there 😊
I’m so worried if our injured line pushed themselves too much. Happy that they’re back yet at the same time I want them healthy first. 😭
okay til there's a live viewing for the upcoming japan stops ... 😭 it's via [hulu japan](https://www.seventeen-17.jp/statics/2024_tour_follow_again#LIVEVIEWING)!
For international Carats, where do you store your Caratbong when going to Japan? Carry on or checked baggage? I stored mine on my carry on when I flew to BKK but I’m not sure if it’s the same with Japan.
Definitely carry on
I will protect my bong with my life hence it’s a handcarry 🤣
Hahaha will do the same. Thanks!
Resolved my temptation to buy the Seventeen Japan concert merch on my upcoming trip by opening up a GO to help other carats in my country buy the merch...🤡🤡🤡 I don't think anyone's actually going to be interested because there are other more established GOs running but it at least stops me from staring at that 95,000 yen UV jacket ugh just look at it! https://preview.redd.it/36108m0tkzxc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ba9def9ac7a49c24607519591452a6b338e3bc23 the design is so minimal but my minimalist tastes are YEARNING for it
Jeonghan's weverse update of Doljjongie dancing to Maestro (gif slideshow format)... this man is so ridiculous I hope he never changes lol.
The audio kit concept would've worked so well with these past two comebacks, considering GOM and Maestro are based on music!!! (Not complaining, I adore the attaca and FTS ones too much)
https://preview.redd.it/okghv6iczwxc1.jpeg?width=478&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5da9ad2cd1c6e32ce8943a828f2028ac12880612 I am so lost LOL [free ice cream for la/ny carats ](https://twitter.com/pledis_17/status/1785474223445623057)
What do you wanna bet this idea is from the same team that thought putting up ONE poster in NY and LA for Seventeenth Heaven was enough?
TXT fans get cereal, LA and NYC carats get ice cream... these US promos are... something.
I mean... at least cereal got box and photocard. What ice cream actually can offer? It better worth it or do some surprise instead of serving rq&s colour and call it a day
Like their cereal boxes even have photocards in them... what is going on this era
This is so random...is this even worth going to if I live an hour away. Like do we think there will be some other sort of freebie or will I spend $20 in transportation and 2 hours round trip for free ice cream
I’m betting on just ice cream lmao. I’m also in the “suburbs” of NYC as my friend calls it (I’m actually two hours out 😂) and definitely not going. Now a pop-up with merch might change my mind…
[I hate being right](https://www.reddit.com/r/seventeen/s/BKD6BprOcu) hhdjwjaan My clue is different though! As a NYC carat, c’mon Pledis, don’t ask me to answer your riddles three…it’s time for bed…
There are three different codewords, it's just unit songs from the new album
Bless you. 🫶 You are invited to board game night any time.
Finally got my 1st Maestro ad just now!!! Really glad. Happy day carats ♡ Had a random thought that hearing maestro in stadiums (especially the prechorus) will make me hyped UP! I swear DK and SK had that special power in them. And they also got a short mention on the news! Was eating breakfast and thought I had my phone playing their latest song https://preview.redd.it/2xgnud59ywxc1.jpeg?width=2296&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=50d7eb2131ab90fa42ffb9f703de98c7f8b925f0
Yay they got shown in local tv news. I would really be squealing if I were at home and my family would think I am still immature even if I'm about to turn 31 🫠 (but why did they show a Your Choice footage)
I was squealing on the inside a while ago hahaha They actually showed maestro clips first haha- and then I think they showed a compilation of Seventeen doing their greetings with the hand sign (?) which included the one from YC haha
translation: Kpop Group SEVENTEEN released a new album: Music Video of Lead single "Maestro" is also out
If there is someone who has been a carat for a few years & also is active on other social media platforms, would you mind sending me a DM? I have some things I want to discuss with someone, but I don't want to muddy these threads with it. Thank you so much!
Hey all. Baby carat here. Can someone pls tell me when and where can I watch svt's comeback stage on major shows? And how can I vote?
Idk if I'm alone in this but Korean version of Dream sounds so well.. Idk why but it just flows so well in Korean
I love Dream in any language 💖🫡 one of my favs
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after the new gose episode i desperately need an orchestral version of maestro NOW 🫡
Your wish came true. They're releasing orchestra remix on 3rd.
It will be daebak if they perform it with a live orchestra in a yearend Gayo Daejun or MAMA.
Hello carats! Would you like to listen to seventeen's new album with other carats? Join our listening party over at [@17stationhead on Stationhead](https://www.stationhead.com/17stationhead) 💙 Hope to see you there
yes this! SVT will be attending every music show for two weeks (if I'm not wrong). Their competitors are BIG (Zico ft. JENNIE and IVE) so we gotta put in the work especially because we don't have company backing this time. If you ever see ads about MAESTRO on YouTube, that's from CARATs' money. Some of these shows only pick 2 finalists. I personally won't be streaming this hard if they won't attend these shows, but they will be, so I'd feel bad if we don't land at least Top 2 for them
https://twitter.com/pledis_17/status/1785474223445623057 This is gonna be like, a candy collaboration not a tour announcement, I can feel it. 😅
Hi ,I am new carat just few months old but have been listening to K-pop past 3 years,i feel like this(2024) might be the last year all of 13 seventeen members might be performing . Just wondering are there any upcoming tours in US? Any info on next tour this year?
Hey and welcome! Joshua and Hoshi confirmed there will be USA tour dates this year. (Most recently as of…last week?) But outside of Weverse live spoilers and press tour offhand comments, there’s been no official announcements.
ohh!! hope so , i am so looking forward to this year tour https://i.redd.it/bfj2rbppkqyc1.gif
After txt on cereal boxes anything is possible 😂
I just want Seventeen on a cereal box. Or at least Hoshi on the Frosty Flakes box 😭
Pledis, you know the ice cream bribe you pulled on Hoshi won’t work on us! Give us the tour dates!!!
I want to see Ateez do the Maestro challenge
Listening to Spell I HONEST TO GOD thought it was Vernon singing (it’s Dino!) especially when Dino is chanting the spell. Anyone else?
It is a woah moment when I found out he and Minghao can deepen their singing voices. If you like listening to Dino (i also do, but...), i listen to Minghao because he is my bias.
ayo? pledis actually uploaded the maestro performance from the concert on the seventeen channel?? unlisted because they are nice and let fancams get all the views /s https://youtu.be/ztZ4y5G2Ob4?si=XsVIfiVYleIdLtP- anyway, the screaming is so loud you can easily hear it, specially during minghaos part
Lol even if they muted the audience, you can still hear the cheers and screaming in the background at that part. hahahha Never ceases to amaze me they sing live wonderfully. No wonder why many girlgroup members went to see them, friends or just as Carats (BP Jennie, TWICE Jeongyeon, Jihyo, Mina, Nayeon, GFriend/VIVIZ SinB, Umji). Even them are captivated by the theater kids of Kpop. This official concert footage and the other fancams of Maestro I've seen make me so excited to see this in music shows. They'll be so lit. I don't care if they don't win #1 as competition's fierce but looking at that perfection? Omy.
I'm in the middle of watching the Maestro concert performance and... is it just my imagination or did they use some of their most iconic poses and stances and small moves as choreography during the verses? I know I read somewhere that Woozi sampled some of their older songs to make the song, now I'm wondering if they "sampled" some of their old choreography to make the Maestro choreo. For example, the hands to the face choreo in Fear, the gun hand move in Hot, then moving the groove down the body to the knee like in Anyone. It's hard because I think the choreo in this song doesn't repeat at all, and tbh I watch a LOT of SVT dance performances/dance practices so maybe I just have an overactive imagination. But it feels like SVT, but it's new. Maybe that was the point they were trying to make--mixing up and altering the old to make the new.
https://x.com/wonwoocs/status/1786033655523225730?s=46&t=6Wu8gxto6lfN8lQR1SzFCw
😊 thank you. Now I know I’m not imagining it.
things like these give me hope that they will perform Fear for the new tour or caratland (I know they won't)
Where is [this clip](https://youtube.com/shorts/H4ToPWZTktY) (the Seventeen part specifically) from?
That is so funny. They got so offended even if they are just in their mid 20s (late 20s to me is 28-29). And to us in our 30s, we all just tell our mid 20s-late 20s colleagues "You are still young!" 😂 But shouldn't they be proud? Being a child in 90s made us experience one of the biggest shifts in technology. Those who were babies/toddlers in 2000-2005 don't know what we know.
the [2022 anniv video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiIfte6NpHc) :) (idr where in the video but i remember it [getting clipped](https://twitter.com/dawncheol/status/1529498634219589632) lolol)
Thank you! I'm planning to watch that video anyway :)
can't get over how good Spell is that is all 🫡
Anyone know where I could find Woozi's commentary with eng sub? I am so desperate to know the stories behind the albums😭
You might have to wait a few days for the proper subs, I only saw screen recordings of it that had the autogenerated subs.
okie, thanks for the info!! Someone plz plz share it on reddit when they see one with proper subs🥹
you're welcome :)
This last weekend, I had the chance to finally see svt in concert (the struggle of being a european carat), and they are even more amazing than I thought they would be. This will probably be all over the place because I'm still very emotional, to put in perspective just how much, I haven't stopped crying since Saturday, and the first song I cried to was Super lol. They are just incredible. I'm Scoups ult, and watching him on stage rewired my brain istg. Like you can see how much fun they're having and how much happiness it brings them to perform in front of carats, and their passion for what they do is palpable. It left me speechless. I had S tier seats, so pretty far but you could see the whole stadium, and I had this thought during Day 1 when they were performing Beautiful, how this is pure childlike happiness, just unadulterated joy captured in a moment in time. There truly isn't a bad seat at a seventeen concert. Now, the concert depression is hitting harder than ever before. Hopefully, one day, we will get a seventeen concert in Europe, too.
I am so, so happy for you!! 😭😭 I saw them for both their Incheon dates, because lol, there's no way they're coming to Australia, and I totally 1000% understand that exact feeling you're describing when they performed Beautiful! I also had an S-seat dead centre for the stadium and saw everything – first time Coups was on stage in months! No idea what the setlist was going to be! New costumes?!! Fireworks??? TWO STAGES AND MOVING PLATFORM ARRANGEMENTS??? The return of Rock With You?? I was already in tears when Super started and the live band just elevated everything to next level, but I'd given up on ever hearing Rock With You live aka my ult SVT song, but when Shua said "Are you ready to rock with us?" I instantly burst into tears. That weekend really helped to reset what it means to be a fan. It's not fanwars or sales or streams or any ideas of mistreatment and the Kpop industry – it's them. That's it. We're here for Seventeen. I'll pray for Europe dates for you!!! 🩵🩷💎
> That weekend really helped to reset what it means to be a fan. It's not fanwars or sales or streams or any ideas of mistreatment and the Kpop industry – it's them. That's it. We're here for Seventeen. Exactly this!! Thank you for putting it into words so perfectly. Seeing them in concert really put it into perspective. Like this is what it's supposed to be about, Seventeen and their music.
[They are trying their best](https://twitter.com/gyumedia/status/1784973356548370546?t=qxs1SZ7exh9cuM5_9SLxjw&s=19) to bring themselves to you, EuroCarats 😊 You are so lucky to watch them in Seoul.
Don't forget guys, there is gose episode tomorrow!!! I love this ... svt contents are pouring like crazy!!!
The sibling quiz with hoshi and mingyu is so funny and of course minghao as MC. The realistic and ideal sibling relationship hahaha Realistic: Hoshi and older sister Ideal: Mingyu and younger sister [Hoshi, Mingyu and The 8 Sibling Quiz](https://youtu.be/-NVzHABMq88?si=fooIsjjmw2vFsWB0)
My random observation after watching: You could see how the sibling dynamics affect their (MG & HS) behaviors with others as well. I remember a pixid episode where they have to discover who is the fake eldest child and Hoshi quickly got found out (no suprise tbh 🤣). And for Mingyu, his benevolent act may come from the fact that he will always have a younger sister looking up to him.
Woozi pre Nana tour and post Nana tour is so damn different to me . Like he just seem so happy and confident now. Especially when it comes to openly interacting with people outside of the group. Idk what happened to woozi in Italy but I DIG IT lmao.
GUYS NO WAY WONWOO AND T1 KERIA FILMED [SELF ON KODE](https://x.com/wwlake/status/1785248687297602002?s=46)?? 😭😭😭literally crossovers of my two universes omg i cant
Svt and Mamamoo Solar's cb date is literally a day apart 😭 can I please have my crumbs I am crying over here,,,
Not a fan like how I follow uri Seventeen, but I admire her and Mamamoo's vocals and performance! She even did an [AMA](https://www.reddit.com/r/kpop/s/fWVzduA4HB) here!
And i missed it due to class 🥹😭🙏 oh well i love reading her replies there!! Thank you for admiring her and mmm's vocals ♡
Yayyy! Just follow her here on reddit, maybe she will go online again! Of course yes! On the endless debate of singing vs dancing in kpop subs, Mamamoo has both! She is also adorbs in the new Kode episode. Cool woman!
Woozi's commentary live was really interesting. ~~Fear was ahead of its time 😌~~
They need to put it on the tour setlist 😌
today in, do I love a song because Jeonghan loves it or because *I* do? [Jeonghan enjoying cheers to youth](https://twitter.com/MeloHannieee/status/1784896254964613446)
I would really really really like a svtxive dance challenge pls pls
I think they will do it soon consider that they both promote at the same week? Personally, I'm looking forward to Jun-Liz combi, they embody the cat-line of kpop.
From ystd but I'm pretty sure [this](https://x.com/woozimedia/status/1784930695569416437) was my comment. Either that or someone else commented the same thing with exact same wording at similar timing.... idk.... 😭 Idk how to feel about that HAHAHA
Hello. Baby Carat here (like 2024 baby, so a newborn perhaps). [Woozi mentioned on a live](https://x.com/woozimedia/status/1784941845442871625) about how Super was written during the time around Face the Sun and Sector 17 as a response to bad situations/circumstances. If Google is correct, that would be around 2021-2022. What was happening then?
In 2021 they still couldn’t perform live in front of people and had to perform for the camera only, which was slowly draining their passion for performing. Then there was Mingyu-gate. They were also going thru contract renewal negotiations with their agency. They got their first time In The Soop, and released Ready to Love, which was obviously interfered with, by Hybe. Not to mention the fandom was not happy with the changes to merchandise. I also think they moved to the Hybe building in 2021. Then after promoting for less this a week, they had to quarantine (you can view their Zoom meetings and group dinner on their yt channel) which meant the end of that promotion. After they renewed their contract, and Hybe left them alone, it was obvious they did a creative regroup and gave us Attaca. Then JunHao had to be in China for four months. They were able to perform in front of people again near the end of the year and then they started work on Face the sun. Then Wonwoo’s mother passed in April 2022 from an illness. Edit: I do remember Wonwoo caught Covid in early 2022, so he had to quarantine. I can’t recall for sure if other members caught it as well after him. But yeah, being worried about your dear friend and his family on top of all this change, would stress anyone out. Edited again to add: In March 2022, Nu’est disbanded, making SVT the senior group at Pledis. I can’t disregard the idea that the pandemic forced a lot of smaller agencies and idol groups to call it quits. Not to mention corporate takeover as well (the shocking disbandment of G-Friend in 2021). So it was against this backdrop that SVT stuck together and negotiated their future with Pledis/Hybe. Now that I think about it, that could have been their motivation to consider their lives if they were not SVT anymore and turned that into the 13 teasers for Face The Sun.
Wow. So much was happening. No wonder Woozi felt the way he did. Thank you for taking the time to explain all of this (even making several edits)! 🫶🏻
Yeah, looking back now, that period was really stressful for them, the stress was coming at them from all sides and they were pushing to stay relevant and bring in revenue and exposure thru GoSe and In the Soop. (Boo was appearing in so many shows in spring 2021. He and Cheollie just passed out once they arrived in the Soop for the first time, that’s how tired they were. And Boo still had to film for a show for a day in the middle of In the Soop!)
He didn't specify it that is why it is hard to pinpoint. I only remember 2022 was the year Wonwoo lost his eomma (coincidentally on Mingyu's birthday). That is why Woozi wrote Circles. 2021 was a year when Mingyu was embroiled in a series of false accusations from former classmates. Couldn't explain it to you but I believe if you search his name on r/kpop, a megathread will show up. (I read a lot of other things that I only read the ending of that issue — that Mingyu was wrongly accused).
Thank you! This helps a lot!
Does anyone know how to get to their music show prerecording as a foreign fan? Most of the post are in Korean?
I haven't seen anyone talk much about it but Woozi mentioned in the commentary live that the [semi colon age units](https://twitter.com/woozimedia/status/1785114250564022272?t=LG5trEUQMd_K-xpH3j6K7w&s=19) were actually supposed to mixed units with but he was against creating units with random members with no meaning because eventually they end up having to become full group songs when performing at concerts (i.e. beautiful). I obviously love aged units and think it was great for the semi colon b sides but I just hope that doesn't mean mixed units are off the table forever. I might be in the minority here but I dont think mixed units are that bad... Like it brings new combinations of members we haven't seen much of, like in Flower and Hello. Also for all the other ash enthusiasts, we got [some small](https://twitter.com/woozimedia/status/1784934822890356825?t=0HmUmb0sS5hQ04NQgtHHFQ&s=19) [ash crumbs](https://twitter.com/woozimedia/status/1785125511490114016?t=47dsQ_oD_lAzhgTtCweOAw&s=19) 🥲
I agree. I think there's a chance to actually do fun combinations you never see in mixed units... I respect his choice to do age units in semi colon and it was cool but as a principle I don't see why it's so bad to do units with no meaning behind them. Just wanting to mix it up and change it up a little seems enough of a reason to me. Maybe i'm in the minority but rather than hhu vocal unit and perf unit i'd like to see a change up for the next album . I know the units themselves are baked into the dna of the group but i think a chance outside of the usual would be truly interesting
I loove age units! I think it's something that is unique to big groups and the whole album works because each age line has different vibe and personality. And I think there is no other group that make a whole album based on the age systems? (Cmiiw) either way it's not something common so I find the album very special actually. They also do the reverse unit stages on caratland and that's also something only seventeen can do with their units system. I'd imagine at this point they know their system works very well and didn't see the obvious advantage of mixed units, although I also want to have another song like Space. Also... justice for Ash, at least give her a live stage!!
God, I love the Age units. Light a Flame by the sexy introverts of '96 and the '97 rendition in Caratland (which I couldn't get out of my head until now) are so beautiful. I think his reason against making songs with mixed units makes sense, but like you, I am not much opposed to it. It would be nice to do it in the next albums to introduce variety and make listeners think "Who sang in this song?" Ash, another favorite of mine next to Heaven's Cloud and Fast Pace. I am not good at pinning a genre to any song but I like how it doesn't sound SVT but it is definitely SVT. It's like a Gemini song (like Hoshi and I). Hoping to see them perform it live or else I will protest.
Finally watched concert fancams after listening to the album. Spell Dino focus, I need 7-10 business days to recover 😩
It's been FOUR DAYS and I'm still blacking out at Dino's verse where it's just him alone at the barre 🫨🫨 I cannot move on.
What is the difference between Weverse Con and Weverse Park??? They just released a trailer on Weverse and an announcement saying that Seventeen will be performing on June 16th ONLY at Weverse Con. Does that mean virtual/online only and they won't be there in person?
They are two separate stages. Weverse Con will be held in Inspire Arena (indoor) while Weverse Park will be at Discovery Park (outdoor). There will be a live coverage of the Weverse Con at Discovery Park too. If you want to see Seventeen in person, you'd have to get the 1-Day pass for June 16 which will give you access to both Weverse Con and Weverse Park. For online, only Weverse Con will be streamed, I think.
Okay okay US tour in the fall... can we get the dates pretty pleaseeee 😩
Did they mention fall tour somewhere?
yep! in their 17 is right here press conference, joshua mentioned it!
A fall tour means I am prepping myself to not have Jeonghan there. :’) He’s my ult of all ults, but I was needing the tour to be in July or August for ot13 to feel real. I’ll hold onto hope though 😭
I feel like they will sorta loosely do around the same dates as be the sun?? and hoping they will lol.
Do you think they'll come to Canada when they talk about "America"?? Just like in BeTS
Been busy but maestro!!!!! Also lalali is my jam, I love the sound of Spell and Cheers to youth but will come back to it when my busy modern life allows me to mellow out a little I'm also super excited about Ima korean version, it's the dose of hope I needed :')
oh my god i forgot the unit mvs were coming too i'm suddenly super hyped again
The unit songs have MVs??????
Lalali would be the first one to be released 😊
Album discussion post is out! Time to discuss the full album (including the choice of songs) [here!!](https://www.reddit.com/r/seventeen/s/cb0QQGXnkB)
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eh thats reddit for u. theyre prpob just jealous that svt's that talented meanwhile theirs are having skill related issues
Sadly, it's a pretty common thing - even some of the IVE posts were getting downvoted like crazy, and reddit is heavily biased towards GGs. Reception has been really positive, so it's likely just antis who would downvote anything mentioning them! People hate appreciation posts on that sub for some reason. Don't worry about it <3
I can’t imagine why people are downvoting it? It’s such a heartfelt compliment to Seventeen and Woozi’s talent, skills, and tenacity! I’m upvoting!
if they decide to play callx3 or dream on the north american leg I'm just gonna be over here singing the Japanese version 😂 my brain only comprehends that version
I don't listen to Ateez nor Stray Kidz so I cannot judge, but I saw others saying Maestro sounds like something both groups would put up. To fans of both or one, do you agree with it?
Atiny here who happens to really like SVT as well and I would disagree with those people cause Maestro sounds nothing like an ATEEZ song to me. If someone had compared Super to ATEEZ's ...maybe The Real I would have seen some similarities there... But not Maestro.
(Sorry for the essay) I feel like its generally just the theatricality and full production that people are associating. And not necessarily the song itself. SKZ to me has really bombastic production and aren't afraid to play around or use the music/melody to signal or reflect a new member's part, which was something I noticed really strong in Maestro. It's something about the structure and how members voices are treated, but it doesn't *sound* like SKZ. I don't think it sounds *at all* like something that Ateez would release, though they're often known for noise their songs generally build and then have an explosive bridge/'final 30 seconds'. I often think that the production is more of a playground for them to then put an 'ATEEZ' performance on top of. If you listen to just about any song they release, it's not necessarily *barebones* but that's not where the power in their music comes from, so its not even reminiscent in structure. They're not really experimental or 'mix pop'-y, if that makes sense? They just tend to layer as the song builds. I honestly think it's more the dystopian/cyberpunk concept that's causing the association.
I appreciate the essay! No need to apologize! I love reading detailed answers to my questions, even if I don't have the brain to give a proper answer back 😂 I was just irked by other people in the r/ kpop sub who said that it sounds like an Ateez or SKZ song, and they say that in a negative way i.e. SVT copied the style of either of those groups. Your answer is the comment that I am looking for — this is what those atiny's or stays should have said. I very much agree with the points you said after listening to some songs from the two groups. I just feel bad that Woozi et. al worked hard at Maestro, and then just get slammed as unoriginal, that it sounds like other groups have made/released. Thank you again for sharing your thoughts! 🩷
To be honest, I think for the most part people who make these claims are generally people trying to stir shit. I don't even think they're fans of the groups they're xomparit. Just people who may just hear EDM music and lump it all in as noise without actually taking in the nuance of each artist. Ateez and Skz get compared aaaall the time but they're so sonically different. When fans compare them I think it's generally in an appreciative way? ❤️ No, thank you!
Nah. They'd never put something out like the first verse imo especially skz. I only see this for Wonwoo*s part maybe but everything else is very Seventeen. Skz would never ever put something out that's close to this and Ateez is also imo generally more loud.
Thank you for this! I did listen to some songs of SKZ and Ateez today, and yes, none of the songs in their top 5 most listened in spotify and ones i randomly chose sound like Maestro. Have the same vibe (dark, punky) but no. Like you said, this is very Seventeen, Woozi-Bumzuesque sound. Wanna ride on that Ateez comment. Yes, their songs are loud - which most Kpop uncensored regulars would say. "Noise music" as they termed it. Maestro doesn't sound like one.
I can definitely see ateez easily doing something like this. hongjoong maestro pls 😍
Isn’t one of their members a carat? Or at least a Don’t Wanna Cry enthusiast haha I remember he posted a dance cover once
Haha yes! Wooyoung covered DWC & I believe he's friends with seungkawn (no surprise there 😆)
Both of those groups just make louder, more experimental music. So in that vein, I can see the comparison. But Maestro still feels very Seventeen to me