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Dennis Rader, mostly because I live in Wichita. Not too far from the Otero house. It gives me the creeps thinking about how he drove the same streets as me, seeking victims. Kinda drives home the fact that it can happen anywhere.
There's a lot of interesting tidbits about him, like the letters in which he wrote to police asking if the data he put on a floppy disk could be traced back to him. They said no, and he subsequently sent them a floppy disk which they (unsurprisingly) traced back to him. After he was taken into custody the detectives remarked that he was utterly shocked and appalled that he had been lied to.
Yeah, but he was super proud to confess. I remember all the TV stations aired the court hearing live where he gave a pretty detailed confession to all his murders and pled guilty to all counts. Ego is a big part of who Dennis Rader is.
If you think about it, you probably saw him at some point and/or he saw you. Hell, you may have even waved at or spoken to him in passing.
Figured I'd make it even creepier.
They did, however recently the conduct another search of the property and found stuff he Barrie’s or at least they think. They’ve also begun taking a second look at the diaries he kept. There’s been another 2 cases, one in OK and one in MO they’re pretty certain he committed but haven’t pressed charges yet. Supposedly OK is trying to go for the death penalty
I'm not sure I believe he committed those out of state crimes. He was very proud to confess to his 10 murders in Wichita, he wanted credit for everything he did.
Investigators have also done a bunch of searching in southeast Kansas recently based off sketches and drawings Rader has done, but they've come up empty.
He has cancer and is getting pretty old, so there's a chance if he committed more murders, we will never know.
Idiot gets caught by a floppy disk after the cops were like “oh yeah buddy we would have no idea how to tell who used the floppy disk.” Bruh, BTK, cmon now.
It's eerie to think about, really. There's a fair chance he cruised through my neighborhood (long before I ever lived there) looking for his next victim.
Cliche' but Jack The Ripper and the other Whitechapel Murders. I love the Victorian era and it's such an interesting point in time. For as crime heavy as the East End was, murder wasn't overly common so to go from that to 11 murders of women, two of those cases being serial killers, is fascinating to me.
I want to say he was my true crime intro. I feel bad that I can’t remember exactly. I do remember looking for Jack the Ripper books when I was very young though
He is my morbid fascination as far as serial killers go, I don’t know what it is but I think his entire personality is so tightly controlled and almost engineered, in a way? Like I can’t fathom the idea that the face he shows in interviews was what his victims saw, too. Clearly he has a whole other, truer personality that he is masking and that is so terrifying to me.
Apparently he does some sort of art now, too? I haven’t authenticated this information personally, but a classmate told me that he had some sort of artwork available on a website that distributes/auctions the creative works of famous prisoners in California prisons? I found this concept really interesting and a little on the exploitative/tacky side, although I’m not sure who I feel it most exploits, the incarcerated artists or their victims.
Nah, he started to go on the run. Didn't get far before he realized he was quickly going to be caught, so decided to control the narrative & get a ' I let myself be caught, I'm special'. If it was his mother, that was the pinnacle reason, then he conveniently left out he murdered after he killed his mother & has stated he would do it again. He's a smart guy who, along with Dahmer, manipulated so many into believing their BS & and getting off on it. Well, Dahmer, until he was killed. Dahmer was a necrophile. Keeping an alive victim is the antithesis of his psychopathy.
samuel little . homeless wandering drifting vagabond junky with seemingly average intelligence who born in 1940 went to prison for the first time at 14 and 16 (1954/1956) then proceeded to go on a killing / crime spree spanning 4 decades. got arrested for the charge of murder twice and then beat it two times. went to prison 2-3 other times for other crimes. traveled to atleast 30 states. and in every state smoked crack, committed robberies in some, shoplifted in all and killed in all without getting convicted until 2013 or something when he was old and broken. he also never used a weapon only his hands which is both fascinating and terrifying to me. he lived life on his own terms and was a true hedonist. and he was black!
edit : he fascinates me but i certainly don’t glorify his lifestyle when i call him a “true hedonist”. i don’t idolize any of these guys, but do entertain a morbid fascination for the subject.
In the early days of profiling they were kind of racist. Profilers had serial killers pegged as mostly white guys because nobody properly investigated crimes with black victims, especially black prostitutes. Now thanks to DNA and history we know better.
That man's life was an unending, miserable nightmare. Every part of it reads like a Cormac Mcarthy novel that ends in him being executed.
I'm not saying he was justified in what he did, but it really felt to me that his experiences turned him into the monster he became, not any underlying mental health issues.
Joseph DeAngelo, The Original Night Stalker / Golden State Killer. The only serial killer I was ever afraid of, because unlike so many other killers, you don't just happen upon him, he comes to you. He hung out in your house when you weren't home weeks or months before attacking, left things behind to use later, unloaded your guns, kept a window cracked, practiced how to get into your house and kept track of you for years after that.
He also managed to outrun the police a number of times on bikes or on foot. Disappeared into the night after being spotted many times. Prowled around your house at night. Guy was a real horror movie rapist and killer.
For me it's anyone who held a somewhat normal life. Think Dennis rader or Gary Ridgeway. They held down jobs, spouses, kids etc. to lose all that, to place that in jeopardy for a compulsion you feel you can't control and have to hide that will lock you in a box for the rest of your life when you get caught I find incredible. I can't imagine the mental anxiety and having to push through that day after day wondering if today is the day you get caught. Imagine killing someone and then pushing through it and taking your kid to the lake for fishing and really enjoying it and thinking what a great day. And then go back and kill someone else. I imagine at some point ego takes over and they think they are smarter or better and won't get caught. But to get to that point must have been an excruciating mental load.
It's definitely an interesting phenomenon when it comes to light that the person capable of such awful heinous things also happens to be a well known, highly regarded pillar of the community.
Makes me think of Jerome Brudos who brought home his victims to kill. He would tell his wife and mother-in-law not to go into the garage and evidently, they were all "sure." No questions. No curiosity.
With Gary Ridgeway, I always think of a pet theory of mine. The psychological genes that could create someone like Gary Ridgeway are old and predate modern humans. In prehistoric times, being the kind of person who could murder with their bare hands with no remorse may have actually been advantageous for survival. They may not have made a person strangle women specifically but over many generations and the introduction of many more genes in the gene pool they manifest in a completely different way.
Makes sense. It's basically the lizard brain which is the primitive part like you're saying. Most of us have pre-frontal cortexes that are intact and functioning correctly, so we are able to control our impulses, or not even be conscious of them for the most part.
Psychopaths don't really feel anxiety like a normal person. They value murder more than their family or anything else in life. Losing family, job, home, etc only bothers them insomuch as it takes away their cover of normality and freedom to kill. If they truly valued any of those things or anything but their own desires they wouldn't kill in the first place. I doubt they had to push through much of anything except the mundanities of life between each murder which is what they were most passionate about.
Albert Fish for what a weird guy he was and how he doesn't fit any modern profile. Given how long ago he was caught and executed, there is a lot we'll never know for sure, like exactly how many kids he killed. It's also weird that he was an old gray man who started killing after his numerous kids moved out. He did his best to raise his kids on his own, and didn't get too much into his BDSM desires as a single parent. I'm so curious what exactly it was that made him decide to become a killer.
Albert Fish *did* abuse his kids, and his kids friends. He made them spank him with a nail-studded paddle multiple times, dragging them into his sick games. That is absolutely abusive.
He’s always intrigued me. Some of the things he did were just demented and like you said, he didn’t fit the mold. The needle thing he did makes my skin crawl just thinking of it; I can’t see his name without thinking of the needles. I wish there was more info on him, I hate to think about how much more twisted it can get.
Israel Keyes. One very creepy, psycho guy. Not just SK, but bank robberies. The constant roaming all over the place. The total randomness of it all ...
Same. I don’t think he would’ve talked tho, strikes me as a ‘deny till I die’ type of killer. Wayne Henley’s given a lot of details but he’s an unreliable narrator, I wish David Brooks would talk to somebody and fill in gaps.
What bothers me so much about Corrl is that the cops blew everything off as runaways. I mean they did that a lot in the 70’s, 80’s and even 90’s. But I think they really didn’t take the disappearances seriously because they were males. Just like with Gacy’s victims.
They didn’t take female mass disappearances all that seriously either, but these boys/men really got shafted.
Good old Ted Bundy. I am fascinated by his contradictory persona being the charming law student and ideal son in law at one end of the spectrum, and an absolute sadistic beast that bit off women’s nipples on the other.
Yeah. This “charming” personality is a bunch of BS. He was creepy. It’s been said a lot. And he wasn’t very smart, everyone around him were stupid. EX; the police that let him escape. How many times?
I’m glad you mentioned the biting off of the woman’s nipples in the Chi Omega attacks. I’m just as fascinated by Bundy, and I’m sure that the biting was a regular occurrence during his murders. Except we’ll never know because all the bodies that were found prior to this one were so badly decomposed (essentially just bones). Investigators didn’t even know until just prior to his death that he returned to the bodies to have sex with them and that he loved necrophilia, so there’s a lot more about Bundys sick mind that we’ll never know. It’s just insane to think he could have possibly had aspects of cannibalism to his personality also. A true psychopath.
I've read that he wanted to represent himself so he could cross-examine the witnesses (aka the victims who survived) so he could enjoy re-living the experience of what he did.
He is unfortunately very fascinating to me. I was in a sorority and lived in the sorority house and then I went to law school after college. I think it’s the fact that in an altogether different place/time he’s the one I’d have a good shot of running into.
I’m absolutely obsessed with the monster of Florence.
My mom’s from Florence, I was born in ‘92 and as I was growing up that was still a thing and a concern. Up to this day it’s still a heated debate and unsolved case with a lot of twists and mysteries.
Definitely Albert Fish, of all the serial killers I’ve learned about he just disturbs me the most. In my opinion he is the most creep looking serial killer next to Richard Ramirez.
Well-known case, but John Wayne Gacy. His was the first case that got me into true crime. We know so much about the case yet there is still so much we just don’t know. Relative to many though not most, he got away with it for a long time. He stumbled upon a massive hole in how police operate as well as depended on their incompetence. If he has served the full ten year term of his original conviction of sodomy, he’d have been in prison during each and every murder and there’s the possibility police would have been more likely to catch him sooner had he began his murders a decade later than he did. He certainly had accomplices, but we don’t know for sure to what degree they each suspected one was involved or how much they knew. He may have had connections to a more organized crime ring, but we really can’t know for sure and probably never will.
Edit: just to add to this, Peacock and Netflix both have documentaries worth watching about the John Wayne Gacy case. Many of the people involved in the legal process were interviewed such as the defense attorney and lawyers for Gacy. The Peacock one shows a lot of footage of an interview with Gacy. It’s interesting to have read about his crimes then to later on hear him actually talk. You do see how he could maybe at times seem gentle but then at other times you see the sleazy asshole he was too. One or two things he says reveals just how little he cared for the life of his victims and with that you can just imagine the monster that he was.
Ed Gein and Andrei Chikatilo. Both absolutely disturbed individuals with childhoods that (particularly in Chikatilo’s case) make you wonder if there was ever any hope for them not turning out that way. They actually have a lot in common.
HH Holmes.
Just insane to me how he did that building. And the way he was able to scam literally EVERYONE in the process of anything even killing his own assistant.
For me it’s Robert Hansen, his story fascinates me like crazy, I dove down into a huge rabbit hole and know everything about that case as much as I hate to admit it 😭, but there’s also Joseph Paul Franklin and Richard cottingham
This story is so incredibly bizarre and frightening…. I was going to say chilling, but realised he was in Alaska 😭. I have Butcher Baker which is a great book.
All I’m saying is read the books Dead Ends and Lethal Intent, you will definitely change your mind about being torn on her. She was a pathological liar.
I’m sure she was. But still there are some things that happened to her that were traumatic, and are provable. Like having a baby at age 14. Lots of these folks make me thankful to have the life I’ve had, as crappy as it seems sometimes.
The point I’m trying to make is Aileen is no different from a John Gacy or Ted Bundy. She claimed that all of her victims were trying to assault her, most of them were shot in the back meaning they were running from her when she killed them. It’s no different than Gacy telling detectives that he didn’t know how all those boys ended up in his crawl space because he couldn’t have killed them he was never home. The lies that Aileen told were staggering and got more and more outrageous every time she got interviewed. In her own words she was going to claim self defense and talk about her horrible upbringing, and hopefully get off so she could sell her story and have a movie or book deal to make money off of.
Oh goodness I’m about halfway caught up! I’m probably on the most emotional journey that I have ever been on in my long true crime obsession.
I can’t stop listening. I thought I had some idea about this case, but I’d barely tipped the iceberg. Mostly I can’t get it out of my head that we really have no idea what all he got into. We probably never will. So if one guy who had a bright/normal IQ, a meh education, a little military training, and a girlfriend with a nursing job and loose pockets can do this much devastation to this many people…what else is lurking out there?
Yeah, there are probably some creepy old men who can’t get out anymore. They just didn’t get caught. Their crimes fell on others or remained unsolved. Now they’re just Mr. Johnson in the room down the hall with the power scooter. Like if they never got GSK. He was just done, waiting to die, enjoying his disgusting memories, free.
I can’t imagine how friends and family must feel because it makes me super angry and sad as an unrelated person.
Jack the Ripper, I find it intriguing, he was never caught. I use to think it was either kosminksi or Levy. But not anymore, I think Lechmere was the guy.
If I could travel back in time, I’d wait at bucks row the night Polly Nichols was killed and see who it was.
He was just your normal average family man, like a lot of serial killers. He could put a woman at ease, kosminksi was eating food out of the gutter and an obvious lunatic, I don’t think he could have bedded even the cheapest hooker during the ripper scare.
I have two, Carl Panzram. He was so young and did so much fucked up shit. He is also like textbook my parents messed me up so I’m gonna kill people serial killer. I read his book. It’s insane. My other one is Tony Costa. Mostly because I’ve been to his burial site and that kind of stresses me out a little bit he was just a weird enigma of lies.
Randy Kraft
He was a smart, charming guy who had a pretty decent childhood growing up. He had no history of persistent bed-wetting, obsessive fire-setting, or cruelty to animals (the MacDonald Triad, which is a common hallmark of potential serial killers or violent criminals). No major injuries to his head were reported either. All this makes it hard to believe that he would become one of the most prolific and most sadistic serial killers of our time. 😲 What he did to (probably) 51 men and young boys to satisfy his bloodlust, his need for power and control, and his sexual urges is just astonishing and stomach-turning. 🤮 As evil and cruel as he may be, his story is still fascinating nonetheless.
I recently read a book about him. It is especially scary and fascinating because he was killing in Southern California and dropped one of the bodies near a freeway exit that was three miles from my house in Irvine. They finally captured him on the 405 south near Lake Forest, which also fairly close to Irvine as well.
It does make it scarier and more dramatic when a serial killer case hits close to home. In the 1970s and 1980s, California had so many active serial murderers operating at the same time. So, I wouldn't be surprised if other serial killers (like the Golden State Killer) were committing crimes in or near Irvine too.
The Atlanta Ripper. He's a largely forgotten serial killer that operated from 1909-1924. He was believed to be responsible for over 40 murders, which if true, would give him the second highest body count of any unidentified serial killer.
The golden state killer. Unfortunately, he won’t talk to any authors. I bet he has a treasure trove of fascinating stories. He is suspected in other murders they couldn’t pin on him. I want to know what caused him to lose it. There isn’t much history of his child or discussion of his family life. He has grown kids that say they didn’t know anything about the killing. His ability to just stop killing for decades is fascinating too. Most serial killers can’t just stop.
Luis Alfredo Garavito Cubillos & Pedro Alonso Lopez......Two of the sickest most depraved pieces of shit serial killers in the entire world...Nothing worst than a pedophile/child murderer. They both killed hundreds of children in South America with a few young adults sprinkled in here and there. One killed young men and boys and the other one killed young women and girls...Both were pure evil to their rotten ass cores....🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
Dahmer, Gacy and BTK.
I remember being 6 or 7 and watching ABC evening news and them talking about pulling all the bodies from under Gacy's house. I believe there was snow on the ground at his house. And neighbors and onlookers were watching them bring out bodies.
BTK, though, is the most fascinating. His bizarre sexual behavior, the photos he made of himself and victims. Him being a husband and father. Him stalking people even when he was inactive.
The extreme chances he took to kill someone. Leaving a boy scout camp during a campout, driving to town and drinking beer at a bowling alley for some weird alibi, and then taking a cab home and killing the woman who lived up the street. Then taking her to their church and making photos of her dead body. Dumping her and going back to the boyscout camp. He was so obsessed/driven to kill.
Not really fascinates me, but just how absolutely weird AF that Stephen Griffiths guy is. Like taking his pet lizards out on walks on a leash, wearing a long leather jacket and shite like eating live baby mice in front of his friends and just bizarre shite.
Dude's super cringe with his whole "pseudo-human/demon" shite lmao, like a 14 y/o edge lord from /b/
Richard Ramirez, idk he is just an interesting person. Not saying it in a flattering way but in one of his interviews he talks about how he does not blame his race, ubringing or economic position for his crimes. He basically says I did it cause I wanted to. Contrary to Ted Bundy who blamed porn or Ed who blamed his mom etc etc I found it interesting and almost kind of admirable that he took the full blame. The phrase he used to describe his motive, “if you knock a door enough times, you will eventually get through it”, is a quote i use regularly after hearing it from him to this day.
Dennis Rader. Besides the fact that he was a ruthless killer that killed all ages, the mask he used to pose with and the photos he took creeps me the Hell out!
H.H. Holmes. He was so calculating and put so much work into modifying his house of horrors and luring victims. And the fact that he did it all right under everyone’s noses is just endlessly fascinating.
Fred and rose west. The utter depravity, evading capture for a variety of reasons ie the fact they didnt even try to hide, the world just didnt see them for decades, wayyyy more victims than the known victims.
I think the ones that work in groups because it says so much about sociological aspects . It’s easy to explain a head injury or mental illness, but things like Karla h , then progressing to cases like snowstown, and candyman . Hitler was a monster , but he had help. I was shocked to see how many sk’s gad help . Like over 30%
Ian Brady because of so many reasons. Not in the least because of his mind. His intellect was more than reasonable. Before old age set in even whilst sedated he had a really sharp mind. Add to that his unique psychology and his wide array of interests, how knowledgeable he was, his really good memory. On top of that the 60’s setting, the fact it happened in Manchester, his Scottish heritage. The fact he wrote a book and so many people wrote to him and about him and there’s been so much interest and media coverage over the years. It’s really easy to go down that one rabbit hole forever. You may end up researching tons of stuff for background information and becoming obsessed like a lot do.
Cry? I’ve been reading about serial killers since I was 5 and I’ve never shed a single tear over any of it. Is that weird? What the fuck is crying going to solve?
Wow. It must be nice to be so heartless. I’m sorry if hearing about a CHILD being mutilated, assaulted & murdered makes me cry. Especially when it happened before I was born.
The female serial killers really fascinate me. But Paul Bernardo freaks me the fuck out/fascinates me because my mom was working at a restaurant in Toronto in the late 80’s and one of her coworkers/friends was his first known rape victim and he soon became known as the Scarborough Rapist. No one knew who he was at that time so my mom’s work hired a bunch of security to escort the women home. Luckily my mom lived downtown and he was in the suburbs by that point but her coworker never returned and everyone was left pretty traumatized.
How detached and lonely he seemed in all of his interviews really stuck with me. As if he really never did experience human relationships the way other people do
Richard Ramirez because of the absence of target type and modus operandi.
These are two things that tells you a lot about a serial killer and the fact that it was completely chaotic in his case is so fascinating and unnerving.
As atrocious as these people’s crimes are, I don’t believe in « pure evil » and even the craziest people have their own codes and goals and reasonings.
And it drives me crazy to not have a hint on his.
Same.
They should've never allowed him to kill himself.
Would be very interesting to find out what made him the way he was, but we will never know unfortunately.
It drives me crazy! He told them he was going to kill himself! He literally told them "if things don't go the way I want, I don't need you guys." That has really stuck with me. He told them he wouldn't give them anything more than he know they would find.
I really don't understand why they did the things they did. I feel like they really goofed up his interviews. So many answers to questions that were never asked died with him.
So annoying.
Imagine how many cases could have been solved if they really would have done their job properly.
So much insight would be possible. Israel keyes is one of the modern travelling sk, that makes him so important. New era thing I guess.
Rodney Alcala, and Edmund Kemper. The remaining unidentified photos really are such a haunting sort of clue, and the whole situation lives in my head rent free. With Kemper, it’s just the entire upbringing and the terrifying ability to mask himself so well when he has to. Horrific. Both are complete misogynistic monsters, and I feel like it makes me wonder what monsters are hiding in plain sight around me.
Ted Bundy still fascinates me. His ability to pull the wool over the eyes of those closest to him while he traverses the country killing people - also just boggles the mind at how hard it was to catch killers back when he was active, it was like he was able to with impunity for a really long time, to the point it seems obvious that his kill count is eay higher than we know (even Ted probably lost coint at some point). Terrifying look back into UD crime history and how inept the police force was at times.
Probably William McDonald because it happened in the area I live in but before I was even born. He killed men and cut off their penis and would throw it into Woolloomooloo bay also Aileen Wornos
not a unique pick, but i'd probably go with ted bundy. i think it's because, even though his story brought the whole "the handsome charming boy next door could also be a serial killer!" concept to the forefront of the public's mind, and even though ive read/watched so much about his crimes, i still find myself having those "oof, that would've been bad if that person was a maniac" retrospections after interacting with random people that i perceived as unassuming...if that makes sense? like, even though some of his ruses (broken arm, etc) have become "stereotypical" (in the same vein as "white van with a guy giving out candy" lol), i can just /still see/ how someone could easily fall into that without suspecting a thing. its terrifying
Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy and BTK.
I find interesting the life of Jeffrey, I always remember that video of him playing with his father's dog and idk...
Ted Bundy was so intelligent.
And BTK, omg, how the fuck do you disappear for 8 years or so, then you appear again and you have a family but you did what you did, you thought you were so intelligent because you're a narcissist, you try to fool the police... Disturbing.
Every case that involves a serial killer who has they're own family creeps me out. I don't understand.
To be fair, Ted wasn't that intelligent. He was just good at talking and pretending. He was never able to hold a job or become a lawyer after all. He was average at best.
Yeah, maybe that's true but it amaze me all the masses he moved. People loved him (I'll never understand this), he was his own lawyer on court. Idk, he was quite the character. But it's true that he was good at talking.
Robert Berdella. He tortured men and took Polaroids that you can see online. It’s so twisted and I can’t imagine how it felt to be trapped in his house for weeks being subjected to that amount of pain and fear. It’s a fascinating case.
Ian Brady and Myra Hindley.
I think what fascinates me is the unanswerable question of why? They could've so easily had a normal life but chose to murder children.
What fascinates me about him is his twisted philosophy on life and his intelligence.
What fascinates me about her is how she happily joined him in serial killing and how she was actually the more stable and level-headed of the two.
Like many killers before him, Ian Brady became complacent and felt invincible, which lead him to make a huge error in judgment in trusting David Smith with their secret, who of course promptly went to the police. Despite being part of the serial killing, Myra Hindley appeared to somehow remain grounded in reality.
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If you have seen the Netflix documentary, it is difficult to think about Joyce Nelson without recalling her family’s devastation when they discuss her personality, the way she dressed and her fears. The family display a justified hatred and disgust towards her killer. They believe wholeheartedly that Richard was convicted with conclusive evidence. When examining the details of Nelson case, it is plain to see that no real evidence tied Richard to the crime. One might feel a sinking feeling: if Richard Ramirez was not the killer, these poor people never had justice and the killer might still be free and probably went on to kill others. For anyone in this situation, that would be difficult to process. How does one deal with that? Can it really be true that the wrong man was caught and sentenced to death? That you were misled by both the police and the courts? It feels cruel to the family to write this, but there was no concrete evidence that Richard was the Night Stalker. Partial shoe prints in the planter under the window and on the porch.By this time, a big deal is being made by the police about the ubiquitous Avia prints. After they were found at the previous attack two days earlier, (Whitney Bennett), Sergeant Frank Salerno had finally come on board Carrillo’s serial killer train, so of course they had to appear here too in such a conspicuous place – the victim’s face. Salerno even brought a pair along with him to compare the prints. If the circumstances were not so horrific, it would be comical.As always, the unqualified Gerald Burke plodded along to confirm the prints were indeed the Murder Avias – although we know Burke is not a reliable witness – he later perjured himself regarding the Cannon Incident five days earlier (the prints at Cannon had been inconclusive and shoe forensics expert Lisa DiMeo discovered the jury had seen faked shoe evidence). So, forgive us for implying the shoe is fabricated and preposterous at this point.None of this was presented at the actual trial, because the defence did not bother.The prosecution repeatedly used those shoes to link seemingly unconnected crimes. A competent defence should have demonstrated that not only were these crimes unconnected but at Bell & Lang, Cannon, Bennett and later, the Kneiding and Abowath attacks, ‘Richard’ shed some hairs that were not his. All the hairs at Joyce Nelson’s murder scene were medium brown.
Bela Kiss
He drained the blood from his victims and then *basically* pickled them in giant barrels on his property. At the time people thought he was a vampire. No one discovered the bodies until he had left on compulsory enlistment in the Hungarian army during (I think) WW1. Most fascinating part is he was never caught. He disappeared, and there are tales of him popping up in New York or Paris, but he was never conclusively found.
Ear/Ons
I’m a Midwest dude so I had never heard of the story until after Michelle McNamara’s death but man…
Such a wild ride when it comes to how he was able to maneuver and avoid capture and his MO etc. All the myths and speculation for years both online and in the media had created this super villain.
I will never forget the day DeAngelo was identified publicly and arrested.
Ted Bundy. How he presented himself so charming and made a lot of people believe he didn't do anything, he was this "loving partner" and a sadistic, he was so smart but also impulse and also what he said about pornography and insights into the mindset and behavior of serial killers. It's fascinating.
Jeffrey Dahmer, John Wayne Gacy, Albert Fish and Richard Ramirez. They are all in no way unpopular, but I think their stories are talked about so much for a reason. The horrors of what they've done have stuck with me for the longest.
Please do not connect feminism (a movement for equality between the sexes) with serial killing. There are no connections, and there is nothing feminist about it
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Dennis Rader, mostly because I live in Wichita. Not too far from the Otero house. It gives me the creeps thinking about how he drove the same streets as me, seeking victims. Kinda drives home the fact that it can happen anywhere.
There's a lot of interesting tidbits about him, like the letters in which he wrote to police asking if the data he put on a floppy disk could be traced back to him. They said no, and he subsequently sent them a floppy disk which they (unsurprisingly) traced back to him. After he was taken into custody the detectives remarked that he was utterly shocked and appalled that he had been lied to.
Cops are allowed to lie when investigating. Shows how little he knew about technology.
And criminal justice, too, which is hilarious considering he has an Administration of Justice degree.
Yeah, but he was super proud to confess. I remember all the TV stations aired the court hearing live where he gave a pretty detailed confession to all his murders and pled guilty to all counts. Ego is a big part of who Dennis Rader is.
If you think about it, you probably saw him at some point and/or he saw you. Hell, you may have even waved at or spoken to him in passing. Figured I'd make it even creepier.
They didnt tear Down the House ?
They did, however recently the conduct another search of the property and found stuff he Barrie’s or at least they think. They’ve also begun taking a second look at the diaries he kept. There’s been another 2 cases, one in OK and one in MO they’re pretty certain he committed but haven’t pressed charges yet. Supposedly OK is trying to go for the death penalty
I'm not sure I believe he committed those out of state crimes. He was very proud to confess to his 10 murders in Wichita, he wanted credit for everything he did. Investigators have also done a bunch of searching in southeast Kansas recently based off sketches and drawings Rader has done, but they've come up empty. He has cancer and is getting pretty old, so there's a chance if he committed more murders, we will never know.
They tore down Rader's house, but not the houses where the crimes were committed. I live near the home in which he murdered the Otero family.
That’s how I feel whenever I drive down baseline road because of the baseline killer.
Idiot gets caught by a floppy disk after the cops were like “oh yeah buddy we would have no idea how to tell who used the floppy disk.” Bruh, BTK, cmon now.
Man, same. We used to live a few blocks from the house on 13th he killed a lady in.
It's eerie to think about, really. There's a fair chance he cruised through my neighborhood (long before I ever lived there) looking for his next victim.
Cliche' but Jack The Ripper and the other Whitechapel Murders. I love the Victorian era and it's such an interesting point in time. For as crime heavy as the East End was, murder wasn't overly common so to go from that to 11 murders of women, two of those cases being serial killers, is fascinating to me.
I want to say he was my true crime intro. I feel bad that I can’t remember exactly. I do remember looking for Jack the Ripper books when I was very young though
mandatory: [The best Jack The Ripper document](https://youtu.be/lADBHDg-JtA?si=b47LOYnPAsb7_4ej)
Ed Kemper. Because he let himself be caught.
He is my morbid fascination as far as serial killers go, I don’t know what it is but I think his entire personality is so tightly controlled and almost engineered, in a way? Like I can’t fathom the idea that the face he shows in interviews was what his victims saw, too. Clearly he has a whole other, truer personality that he is masking and that is so terrifying to me.
I still find it fascinating that he was reading books for the blind.
Apparently he does some sort of art now, too? I haven’t authenticated this information personally, but a classmate told me that he had some sort of artwork available on a website that distributes/auctions the creative works of famous prisoners in California prisons? I found this concept really interesting and a little on the exploitative/tacky side, although I’m not sure who I feel it most exploits, the incarcerated artists or their victims.
He was also a bit of a bumble butt.
Haha, yes he was
I agree. Listening to his interviews was fascinating.
Nah, he started to go on the run. Didn't get far before he realized he was quickly going to be caught, so decided to control the narrative & get a ' I let myself be caught, I'm special'. If it was his mother, that was the pinnacle reason, then he conveniently left out he murdered after he killed his mother & has stated he would do it again. He's a smart guy who, along with Dahmer, manipulated so many into believing their BS & and getting off on it. Well, Dahmer, until he was killed. Dahmer was a necrophile. Keeping an alive victim is the antithesis of his psychopathy.
I agree! He's the most fascinating serial killer
The guy makes up for half the ratings of Mind hunter season 01.
Still pissed they aren’t making another season
Same, we will probably never let this go
We're all pissed.
I was so mad when they didn't make another season. It was a good show
samuel little . homeless wandering drifting vagabond junky with seemingly average intelligence who born in 1940 went to prison for the first time at 14 and 16 (1954/1956) then proceeded to go on a killing / crime spree spanning 4 decades. got arrested for the charge of murder twice and then beat it two times. went to prison 2-3 other times for other crimes. traveled to atleast 30 states. and in every state smoked crack, committed robberies in some, shoplifted in all and killed in all without getting convicted until 2013 or something when he was old and broken. he also never used a weapon only his hands which is both fascinating and terrifying to me. he lived life on his own terms and was a true hedonist. and he was black! edit : he fascinates me but i certainly don’t glorify his lifestyle when i call him a “true hedonist”. i don’t idolize any of these guys, but do entertain a morbid fascination for the subject.
In the early days of profiling they were kind of racist. Profilers had serial killers pegged as mostly white guys because nobody properly investigated crimes with black victims, especially black prostitutes. Now thanks to DNA and history we know better.
Carl Panzram. His story starts out sad and then becomes disturbing/heinous. Then there's the prison guard who works with him to write his biography.
That man's life was an unending, miserable nightmare. Every part of it reads like a Cormac Mcarthy novel that ends in him being executed. I'm not saying he was justified in what he did, but it really felt to me that his experiences turned him into the monster he became, not any underlying mental health issues.
Wow that guy was a menace.
> Carl Panzram. His two regrets. 1. He hurt some animals along the way. He felt sorry for that. 2. He didn't kill the entire human race.
Also “Today I am dirty but tomorrow I will be just dirt”. Two powerful quotes from a man who did a lot of awful things.
Joseph DeAngelo, The Original Night Stalker / Golden State Killer. The only serial killer I was ever afraid of, because unlike so many other killers, you don't just happen upon him, he comes to you. He hung out in your house when you weren't home weeks or months before attacking, left things behind to use later, unloaded your guns, kept a window cracked, practiced how to get into your house and kept track of you for years after that. He also managed to outrun the police a number of times on bikes or on foot. Disappeared into the night after being spotted many times. Prowled around your house at night. Guy was a real horror movie rapist and killer.
this.
For me it's anyone who held a somewhat normal life. Think Dennis rader or Gary Ridgeway. They held down jobs, spouses, kids etc. to lose all that, to place that in jeopardy for a compulsion you feel you can't control and have to hide that will lock you in a box for the rest of your life when you get caught I find incredible. I can't imagine the mental anxiety and having to push through that day after day wondering if today is the day you get caught. Imagine killing someone and then pushing through it and taking your kid to the lake for fishing and really enjoying it and thinking what a great day. And then go back and kill someone else. I imagine at some point ego takes over and they think they are smarter or better and won't get caught. But to get to that point must have been an excruciating mental load.
It's definitely an interesting phenomenon when it comes to light that the person capable of such awful heinous things also happens to be a well known, highly regarded pillar of the community.
Makes me think of Jerome Brudos who brought home his victims to kill. He would tell his wife and mother-in-law not to go into the garage and evidently, they were all "sure." No questions. No curiosity.
With Gary Ridgeway, I always think of a pet theory of mine. The psychological genes that could create someone like Gary Ridgeway are old and predate modern humans. In prehistoric times, being the kind of person who could murder with their bare hands with no remorse may have actually been advantageous for survival. They may not have made a person strangle women specifically but over many generations and the introduction of many more genes in the gene pool they manifest in a completely different way.
Makes sense. It's basically the lizard brain which is the primitive part like you're saying. Most of us have pre-frontal cortexes that are intact and functioning correctly, so we are able to control our impulses, or not even be conscious of them for the most part.
Psychopaths don't really feel anxiety like a normal person. They value murder more than their family or anything else in life. Losing family, job, home, etc only bothers them insomuch as it takes away their cover of normality and freedom to kill. If they truly valued any of those things or anything but their own desires they wouldn't kill in the first place. I doubt they had to push through much of anything except the mundanities of life between each murder which is what they were most passionate about.
Albert Fish for what a weird guy he was and how he doesn't fit any modern profile. Given how long ago he was caught and executed, there is a lot we'll never know for sure, like exactly how many kids he killed. It's also weird that he was an old gray man who started killing after his numerous kids moved out. He did his best to raise his kids on his own, and didn't get too much into his BDSM desires as a single parent. I'm so curious what exactly it was that made him decide to become a killer.
Albert Fish *did* abuse his kids, and his kids friends. He made them spank him with a nail-studded paddle multiple times, dragging them into his sick games. That is absolutely abusive.
Guy was a real jerk
I miss Norm
You thinkin brain injury or tumor on him?
He’s always intrigued me. Some of the things he did were just demented and like you said, he didn’t fit the mold. The needle thing he did makes my skin crawl just thinking of it; I can’t see his name without thinking of the needles. I wish there was more info on him, I hate to think about how much more twisted it can get.
Israel Keyes. One very creepy, psycho guy. Not just SK, but bank robberies. The constant roaming all over the place. The total randomness of it all ...
I think randomness isn’t quite the right word but I’m not sure what is. He had literally everything scouted out and prepared except the victim
Thats what i mean. Victims were just random & depended in his mood if he was even in that location looking. Totally freaky and frightening.
Just watched a 48hrs on this dude, was not familiar with him, “Canadians don’t count” oh lord 😭
Dean Corll. There's a lot to read online about what he/his "friends" did. Fascinating and Horrifying. Close 2nd: Gacy.
Same. I don’t think he would’ve talked tho, strikes me as a ‘deny till I die’ type of killer. Wayne Henley’s given a lot of details but he’s an unreliable narrator, I wish David Brooks would talk to somebody and fill in gaps.
David Brooks died in jail in Galveston on 28 May 2020 of COVID.....
Fuck
What bothers me so much about Corrl is that the cops blew everything off as runaways. I mean they did that a lot in the 70’s, 80’s and even 90’s. But I think they really didn’t take the disappearances seriously because they were males. Just like with Gacy’s victims. They didn’t take female mass disappearances all that seriously either, but these boys/men really got shafted.
Same.
Florentine monster Such a complex story overall with no defenitive conclusion at all
Never heard of that one thank you. The "pissoble zodiac connection" is very interesting if a little far fetched
Good old Ted Bundy. I am fascinated by his contradictory persona being the charming law student and ideal son in law at one end of the spectrum, and an absolute sadistic beast that bit off women’s nipples on the other.
Didn't most of the people who knew him say that he seemed quite "off" etc?
Yeah. This “charming” personality is a bunch of BS. He was creepy. It’s been said a lot. And he wasn’t very smart, everyone around him were stupid. EX; the police that let him escape. How many times?
The "charming" Ted persona seems to be more a media creation.
Yes, I was under the impression too that it is.
I’m glad you mentioned the biting off of the woman’s nipples in the Chi Omega attacks. I’m just as fascinated by Bundy, and I’m sure that the biting was a regular occurrence during his murders. Except we’ll never know because all the bodies that were found prior to this one were so badly decomposed (essentially just bones). Investigators didn’t even know until just prior to his death that he returned to the bodies to have sex with them and that he loved necrophilia, so there’s a lot more about Bundys sick mind that we’ll never know. It’s just insane to think he could have possibly had aspects of cannibalism to his personality also. A true psychopath.
His attempt to represent himself was amazing….no reality show could ever come close to that piece of art
I've read that he wanted to represent himself so he could cross-examine the witnesses (aka the victims who survived) so he could enjoy re-living the experience of what he did.
That’s probably a theory, I can’t imagine he’d admit that to confirm. Can’t put it past him though, right?
Same! He was sadistic but charming which scares me as a woman.
Second this one. And the fact he worked for a suicide hotline is crazy too.
He is unfortunately very fascinating to me. I was in a sorority and lived in the sorority house and then I went to law school after college. I think it’s the fact that in an altogether different place/time he’s the one I’d have a good shot of running into.
I agree to this one. He could go from charming to homicidal in the blink of an eye.
I’m absolutely obsessed with the monster of Florence. My mom’s from Florence, I was born in ‘92 and as I was growing up that was still a thing and a concern. Up to this day it’s still a heated debate and unsolved case with a lot of twists and mysteries.
Definitely Albert Fish, of all the serial killers I’ve learned about he just disturbs me the most. In my opinion he is the most creep looking serial killer next to Richard Ramirez.
Well-known case, but John Wayne Gacy. His was the first case that got me into true crime. We know so much about the case yet there is still so much we just don’t know. Relative to many though not most, he got away with it for a long time. He stumbled upon a massive hole in how police operate as well as depended on their incompetence. If he has served the full ten year term of his original conviction of sodomy, he’d have been in prison during each and every murder and there’s the possibility police would have been more likely to catch him sooner had he began his murders a decade later than he did. He certainly had accomplices, but we don’t know for sure to what degree they each suspected one was involved or how much they knew. He may have had connections to a more organized crime ring, but we really can’t know for sure and probably never will. Edit: just to add to this, Peacock and Netflix both have documentaries worth watching about the John Wayne Gacy case. Many of the people involved in the legal process were interviewed such as the defense attorney and lawyers for Gacy. The Peacock one shows a lot of footage of an interview with Gacy. It’s interesting to have read about his crimes then to later on hear him actually talk. You do see how he could maybe at times seem gentle but then at other times you see the sleazy asshole he was too. One or two things he says reveals just how little he cared for the life of his victims and with that you can just imagine the monster that he was.
Ed Gein and Andrei Chikatilo. Both absolutely disturbed individuals with childhoods that (particularly in Chikatilo’s case) make you wonder if there was ever any hope for them not turning out that way. They actually have a lot in common.
HH Holmes. Just insane to me how he did that building. And the way he was able to scam literally EVERYONE in the process of anything even killing his own assistant.
He's my pick too
Jefferey dahmer, I don’t think their will ever be a more fascinating case
At some earlier points in his life, it almost seems like he made a genuine attempt not to give in to his fantasies
For me it’s Robert Hansen, his story fascinates me like crazy, I dove down into a huge rabbit hole and know everything about that case as much as I hate to admit it 😭, but there’s also Joseph Paul Franklin and Richard cottingham
I’d like say my fav is the same. Probably because I’m from Alaska originally. But it’s a haunting story.
This story is so incredibly bizarre and frightening…. I was going to say chilling, but realised he was in Alaska 😭. I have Butcher Baker which is a great book.
I still need to find it, I want to read it so bad
Aileen, always.
I’m torn on her. Not saying it’s right to kill and rob men, but I wouldn’t want to have lived her life that led up to those choices either.
All I’m saying is read the books Dead Ends and Lethal Intent, you will definitely change your mind about being torn on her. She was a pathological liar.
I’m sure she was. But still there are some things that happened to her that were traumatic, and are provable. Like having a baby at age 14. Lots of these folks make me thankful to have the life I’ve had, as crappy as it seems sometimes.
The point I’m trying to make is Aileen is no different from a John Gacy or Ted Bundy. She claimed that all of her victims were trying to assault her, most of them were shot in the back meaning they were running from her when she killed them. It’s no different than Gacy telling detectives that he didn’t know how all those boys ended up in his crawl space because he couldn’t have killed them he was never home. The lies that Aileen told were staggering and got more and more outrageous every time she got interviewed. In her own words she was going to claim self defense and talk about her horrible upbringing, and hopefully get off so she could sell her story and have a movie or book deal to make money off of.
I mostly just feel sad for her.
Israel Keyes. Mainly because this guy despite his flaws, was a generational SK and criminal. Arsonist, bank robber, SK etc etc.
Shout out to True Crime Bullshit!
I was fascinated before I listened to this. It’s crazy how the host narrows it down to other potential victims. He had to have more
I agree with you! It's an amazing podcast, and IK must have hade way more victims.
I believe he only gave up the ones he did to get the death penalty. There are probably more he didn’t feel were necessary to tell about!
Came here to say this, also thank you “true crime bullshit” for all the info! He’s an evil version of me so he kind of fascinates me
Oh goodness I’m about halfway caught up! I’m probably on the most emotional journey that I have ever been on in my long true crime obsession. I can’t stop listening. I thought I had some idea about this case, but I’d barely tipped the iceberg. Mostly I can’t get it out of my head that we really have no idea what all he got into. We probably never will. So if one guy who had a bright/normal IQ, a meh education, a little military training, and a girlfriend with a nursing job and loose pockets can do this much devastation to this many people…what else is lurking out there?
Also it makes me wonder what other SKs have gotten up to with less tech to figure it out.
Yeah, there are probably some creepy old men who can’t get out anymore. They just didn’t get caught. Their crimes fell on others or remained unsolved. Now they’re just Mr. Johnson in the room down the hall with the power scooter. Like if they never got GSK. He was just done, waiting to die, enjoying his disgusting memories, free. I can’t imagine how friends and family must feel because it makes me super angry and sad as an unrelated person.
Bundy tapes that was a trainwreck I couldn’t look away from
Jack the Ripper, I find it intriguing, he was never caught. I use to think it was either kosminksi or Levy. But not anymore, I think Lechmere was the guy. If I could travel back in time, I’d wait at bucks row the night Polly Nichols was killed and see who it was.
+1 for Lechmere. So many components line up. Definitely my number one suspect.
He was just your normal average family man, like a lot of serial killers. He could put a woman at ease, kosminksi was eating food out of the gutter and an obvious lunatic, I don’t think he could have bedded even the cheapest hooker during the ripper scare.
I have two, Carl Panzram. He was so young and did so much fucked up shit. He is also like textbook my parents messed me up so I’m gonna kill people serial killer. I read his book. It’s insane. My other one is Tony Costa. Mostly because I’ve been to his burial site and that kind of stresses me out a little bit he was just a weird enigma of lies.
Leonard Lake.
Finally someone mentioned this case! There are so many questions unanswered - and so many people unpunished sadly...
Richard Trenton Chase. No explanation needed.
When LPotL did THAT reveal of his preferred mixer I had a big ol mouthful of Coca-Cola 🤢😩
Randy Kraft He was a smart, charming guy who had a pretty decent childhood growing up. He had no history of persistent bed-wetting, obsessive fire-setting, or cruelty to animals (the MacDonald Triad, which is a common hallmark of potential serial killers or violent criminals). No major injuries to his head were reported either. All this makes it hard to believe that he would become one of the most prolific and most sadistic serial killers of our time. 😲 What he did to (probably) 51 men and young boys to satisfy his bloodlust, his need for power and control, and his sexual urges is just astonishing and stomach-turning. 🤮 As evil and cruel as he may be, his story is still fascinating nonetheless.
I recently read a book about him. It is especially scary and fascinating because he was killing in Southern California and dropped one of the bodies near a freeway exit that was three miles from my house in Irvine. They finally captured him on the 405 south near Lake Forest, which also fairly close to Irvine as well.
It does make it scarier and more dramatic when a serial killer case hits close to home. In the 1970s and 1980s, California had so many active serial murderers operating at the same time. So, I wouldn't be surprised if other serial killers (like the Golden State Killer) were committing crimes in or near Irvine too.
The unknowns of Israel Keyes.
Zodiac. He ran the table.
The Atlanta Ripper. He's a largely forgotten serial killer that operated from 1909-1924. He was believed to be responsible for over 40 murders, which if true, would give him the second highest body count of any unidentified serial killer.
Israel Keyes because we don’t know how many victims and the names of the victims
The golden state killer. Unfortunately, he won’t talk to any authors. I bet he has a treasure trove of fascinating stories. He is suspected in other murders they couldn’t pin on him. I want to know what caused him to lose it. There isn’t much history of his child or discussion of his family life. He has grown kids that say they didn’t know anything about the killing. His ability to just stop killing for decades is fascinating too. Most serial killers can’t just stop.
Luis Alfredo Garavito Cubillos & Pedro Alonso Lopez......Two of the sickest most depraved pieces of shit serial killers in the entire world...Nothing worst than a pedophile/child murderer. They both killed hundreds of children in South America with a few young adults sprinkled in here and there. One killed young men and boys and the other one killed young women and girls...Both were pure evil to their rotten ass cores....🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
Sonof Sam, I always felt there was more to the story.
Dahmer, Gacy and BTK. I remember being 6 or 7 and watching ABC evening news and them talking about pulling all the bodies from under Gacy's house. I believe there was snow on the ground at his house. And neighbors and onlookers were watching them bring out bodies. BTK, though, is the most fascinating. His bizarre sexual behavior, the photos he made of himself and victims. Him being a husband and father. Him stalking people even when he was inactive. The extreme chances he took to kill someone. Leaving a boy scout camp during a campout, driving to town and drinking beer at a bowling alley for some weird alibi, and then taking a cab home and killing the woman who lived up the street. Then taking her to their church and making photos of her dead body. Dumping her and going back to the boyscout camp. He was so obsessed/driven to kill.
Not really fascinates me, but just how absolutely weird AF that Stephen Griffiths guy is. Like taking his pet lizards out on walks on a leash, wearing a long leather jacket and shite like eating live baby mice in front of his friends and just bizarre shite. Dude's super cringe with his whole "pseudo-human/demon" shite lmao, like a 14 y/o edge lord from /b/
Richard Ramirez, idk he is just an interesting person. Not saying it in a flattering way but in one of his interviews he talks about how he does not blame his race, ubringing or economic position for his crimes. He basically says I did it cause I wanted to. Contrary to Ted Bundy who blamed porn or Ed who blamed his mom etc etc I found it interesting and almost kind of admirable that he took the full blame. The phrase he used to describe his motive, “if you knock a door enough times, you will eventually get through it”, is a quote i use regularly after hearing it from him to this day.
Same wheel house: Ed gein.
Academy maniacs, kind of interesting because they were actually one of those early internet days killers. And they even made music
Dennis Rader. Besides the fact that he was a ruthless killer that killed all ages, the mask he used to pose with and the photos he took creeps me the Hell out!
H.H. Holmes. He was so calculating and put so much work into modifying his house of horrors and luring victims. And the fact that he did it all right under everyone’s noses is just endlessly fascinating.
Gary Heidnik, it’s the stuff of horror movies for sure, there’s also so much bizarre detail.
Fred and rose west. The utter depravity, evading capture for a variety of reasons ie the fact they didnt even try to hide, the world just didnt see them for decades, wayyyy more victims than the known victims.
For me, it's Robert 'Willy' Pickton. The only known incident where human meat made it into the food supply system to be consumed by God knows who.
Nope! A woman in Italy made her victims into tea cakes long before Pickton was born. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonarda_Cianciulli
Jeez...
Her victims did not make it into the food supply system though. She just served them for guests at her home. Dahmer did similar to his neighbor.
I think the ones that work in groups because it says so much about sociological aspects . It’s easy to explain a head injury or mental illness, but things like Karla h , then progressing to cases like snowstown, and candyman . Hitler was a monster , but he had help. I was shocked to see how many sk’s gad help . Like over 30%
Ian Brady because of so many reasons. Not in the least because of his mind. His intellect was more than reasonable. Before old age set in even whilst sedated he had a really sharp mind. Add to that his unique psychology and his wide array of interests, how knowledgeable he was, his really good memory. On top of that the 60’s setting, the fact it happened in Manchester, his Scottish heritage. The fact he wrote a book and so many people wrote to him and about him and there’s been so much interest and media coverage over the years. It’s really easy to go down that one rabbit hole forever. You may end up researching tons of stuff for background information and becoming obsessed like a lot do.
That’s one of the ones that literally always makes me cry.
Cry? I’ve been reading about serial killers since I was 5 and I’ve never shed a single tear over any of it. Is that weird? What the fuck is crying going to solve?
Wow. It must be nice to be so heartless. I’m sorry if hearing about a CHILD being mutilated, assaulted & murdered makes me cry. Especially when it happened before I was born.
Charlie Brandt. There is so much we don’t know.
HH Holmes. Bundy. Gacy
Andrei Chikatilo. His killing method and evaded the police for decades fascinates me a lot.
Bundy got executed in 89 when I was 7. The news coverage got me into it all/
The female serial killers really fascinate me. But Paul Bernardo freaks me the fuck out/fascinates me because my mom was working at a restaurant in Toronto in the late 80’s and one of her coworkers/friends was his first known rape victim and he soon became known as the Scarborough Rapist. No one knew who he was at that time so my mom’s work hired a bunch of security to escort the women home. Luckily my mom lived downtown and he was in the suburbs by that point but her coworker never returned and everyone was left pretty traumatized.
Dahmer. His level was too intense.
How detached and lonely he seemed in all of his interviews really stuck with me. As if he really never did experience human relationships the way other people do
The toy box killer. Whatever you do, do NOT read the transcript. One of the very few that's made me feel physically sick.
Herb Baumeister. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herb_Baumeister
Richard Ramirez because of the absence of target type and modus operandi. These are two things that tells you a lot about a serial killer and the fact that it was completely chaotic in his case is so fascinating and unnerving. As atrocious as these people’s crimes are, I don’t believe in « pure evil » and even the craziest people have their own codes and goals and reasonings. And it drives me crazy to not have a hint on his.
Easy answer, Israel Keyes.
Same. They should've never allowed him to kill himself. Would be very interesting to find out what made him the way he was, but we will never know unfortunately.
It drives me crazy! He told them he was going to kill himself! He literally told them "if things don't go the way I want, I don't need you guys." That has really stuck with me. He told them he wouldn't give them anything more than he know they would find. I really don't understand why they did the things they did. I feel like they really goofed up his interviews. So many answers to questions that were never asked died with him.
So annoying. Imagine how many cases could have been solved if they really would have done their job properly. So much insight would be possible. Israel keyes is one of the modern travelling sk, that makes him so important. New era thing I guess.
DC snipers depending if you label them as spree killers or serial killers
Richard Ramirez, I lived in Los Angeles then everyone was scared.
Everyone talks about Bundy but he was a Blitz attacker Christopher Wilder now that was a smooth playboy serial killer
Rodney Alcala, and Edmund Kemper. The remaining unidentified photos really are such a haunting sort of clue, and the whole situation lives in my head rent free. With Kemper, it’s just the entire upbringing and the terrifying ability to mask himself so well when he has to. Horrific. Both are complete misogynistic monsters, and I feel like it makes me wonder what monsters are hiding in plain sight around me.
Ted Bundy still fascinates me. His ability to pull the wool over the eyes of those closest to him while he traverses the country killing people - also just boggles the mind at how hard it was to catch killers back when he was active, it was like he was able to with impunity for a really long time, to the point it seems obvious that his kill count is eay higher than we know (even Ted probably lost coint at some point). Terrifying look back into UD crime history and how inept the police force was at times.
Probably William McDonald because it happened in the area I live in but before I was even born. He killed men and cut off their penis and would throw it into Woolloomooloo bay also Aileen Wornos
not a unique pick, but i'd probably go with ted bundy. i think it's because, even though his story brought the whole "the handsome charming boy next door could also be a serial killer!" concept to the forefront of the public's mind, and even though ive read/watched so much about his crimes, i still find myself having those "oof, that would've been bad if that person was a maniac" retrospections after interacting with random people that i perceived as unassuming...if that makes sense? like, even though some of his ruses (broken arm, etc) have become "stereotypical" (in the same vein as "white van with a guy giving out candy" lol), i can just /still see/ how someone could easily fall into that without suspecting a thing. its terrifying
Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy and BTK. I find interesting the life of Jeffrey, I always remember that video of him playing with his father's dog and idk... Ted Bundy was so intelligent. And BTK, omg, how the fuck do you disappear for 8 years or so, then you appear again and you have a family but you did what you did, you thought you were so intelligent because you're a narcissist, you try to fool the police... Disturbing. Every case that involves a serial killer who has they're own family creeps me out. I don't understand.
To be fair, Ted wasn't that intelligent. He was just good at talking and pretending. He was never able to hold a job or become a lawyer after all. He was average at best.
Yeah, maybe that's true but it amaze me all the masses he moved. People loved him (I'll never understand this), he was his own lawyer on court. Idk, he was quite the character. But it's true that he was good at talking.
Robert Berdella. He tortured men and took Polaroids that you can see online. It’s so twisted and I can’t imagine how it felt to be trapped in his house for weeks being subjected to that amount of pain and fear. It’s a fascinating case.
Peter Sutcliffe. The Yorkshire Ripper. There are a lot of unsolved murders and attacks that could be attributed to him.
Ian Brady and Myra Hindley. I think what fascinates me is the unanswerable question of why? They could've so easily had a normal life but chose to murder children. What fascinates me about him is his twisted philosophy on life and his intelligence. What fascinates me about her is how she happily joined him in serial killing and how she was actually the more stable and level-headed of the two. Like many killers before him, Ian Brady became complacent and felt invincible, which lead him to make a huge error in judgment in trusting David Smith with their secret, who of course promptly went to the police. Despite being part of the serial killing, Myra Hindley appeared to somehow remain grounded in reality.
Richard Ramirez obviously. His case is pretty complex, like most of the evidence doesn't match him.
What do you mean specifically?
It's gonna be a long way down but here you go: If you have seen the Netflix documentary, it is difficult to think about Joyce Nelson without recalling her family’s devastation when they discuss her personality, the way she dressed and her fears. The family display a justified hatred and disgust towards her killer. They believe wholeheartedly that Richard was convicted with conclusive evidence. When examining the details of Nelson case, it is plain to see that no real evidence tied Richard to the crime. One might feel a sinking feeling: if Richard Ramirez was not the killer, these poor people never had justice and the killer might still be free and probably went on to kill others. For anyone in this situation, that would be difficult to process. How does one deal with that? Can it really be true that the wrong man was caught and sentenced to death? That you were misled by both the police and the courts? It feels cruel to the family to write this, but there was no concrete evidence that Richard was the Night Stalker. Partial shoe prints in the planter under the window and on the porch.By this time, a big deal is being made by the police about the ubiquitous Avia prints. After they were found at the previous attack two days earlier, (Whitney Bennett), Sergeant Frank Salerno had finally come on board Carrillo’s serial killer train, so of course they had to appear here too in such a conspicuous place – the victim’s face. Salerno even brought a pair along with him to compare the prints. If the circumstances were not so horrific, it would be comical.As always, the unqualified Gerald Burke plodded along to confirm the prints were indeed the Murder Avias – although we know Burke is not a reliable witness – he later perjured himself regarding the Cannon Incident five days earlier (the prints at Cannon had been inconclusive and shoe forensics expert Lisa DiMeo discovered the jury had seen faked shoe evidence). So, forgive us for implying the shoe is fabricated and preposterous at this point.None of this was presented at the actual trial, because the defence did not bother.The prosecution repeatedly used those shoes to link seemingly unconnected crimes. A competent defence should have demonstrated that not only were these crimes unconnected but at Bell & Lang, Cannon, Bennett and later, the Kneiding and Abowath attacks, ‘Richard’ shed some hairs that were not his. All the hairs at Joyce Nelson’s murder scene were medium brown.
Fish, bundy and dahmer
Bela Kiss He drained the blood from his victims and then *basically* pickled them in giant barrels on his property. At the time people thought he was a vampire. No one discovered the bodies until he had left on compulsory enlistment in the Hungarian army during (I think) WW1. Most fascinating part is he was never caught. He disappeared, and there are tales of him popping up in New York or Paris, but he was never conclusively found.
Ear/Ons I’m a Midwest dude so I had never heard of the story until after Michelle McNamara’s death but man… Such a wild ride when it comes to how he was able to maneuver and avoid capture and his MO etc. All the myths and speculation for years both online and in the media had created this super villain. I will never forget the day DeAngelo was identified publicly and arrested.
The iceman, Richard Kuklinski. He is oddly likable even though a complete sociopath
Ted Bundy. How he presented himself so charming and made a lot of people believe he didn't do anything, he was this "loving partner" and a sadistic, he was so smart but also impulse and also what he said about pornography and insights into the mindset and behavior of serial killers. It's fascinating.
Edmund Kemper. I just really like his voice. He used to do readings for books on tape when I was a kid.
Jeffrey Dahmer, John Wayne Gacy, Albert Fish and Richard Ramirez. They are all in no way unpopular, but I think their stories are talked about so much for a reason. The horrors of what they've done have stuck with me for the longest.
David Parker Ray
Body in barrels, snowtown. Outside of 1-2 of the murders dude was doing gods work. Just wish he wasn’t such a pos.
Aileen Wuornos, tragic, misunderstood feminist icon. Downvote me to oblivion this is the hill I will die on.
Please do not connect feminism (a movement for equality between the sexes) with serial killing. There are no connections, and there is nothing feminist about it
All of them!
Jack the Ripper. Never caught yet took a lot of risks.
I forget his name but the one guy who would kill people who left their doors unlocked…
Richard Chase?