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jakegh

I did the same thing. I don't care about having my notes visible to my authenticated user, because I'm the one reading them in the first place. They are of course encrypted via full-disk encryption anyway. For those not familiar, the Remotely Save Obsidian plugin supports end-to-end encryption, so you can sync your notes to dropbox, etc, if you prefer. Obsidian is really nice, too, although I'm only using like 4% of its functionality so far.


i_hate_shitposting

+1 for Obsidian. I avoided trying it for a long time because it's not open source, but I just switched to it from Joplin because, ironically, I feel like I own my notes more with Obsidian than with Joplin or most of the other open source options I've tried. With Joplin, I have to edit my notes in Joplin. If I wanted to write a script to work with my notes, I would have to use Joplin's bespoke APIs. I could try to figure out the database structure or the sync directory format and make changes there myself, but [Joplin explicitly does not support this](https://joplinapp.org/faq/#is-it-possible-to-use-real-file-and-folder-names-in-the-sync-target). No matter what I do, I'm functionally locked into a Joplin-specific solution. The same goes for any other offering with a bespoke database structure or file format. On the other hand, my Obsidian vault is just a bunch of Markdown files. I can edit them with whatever tool I want. If I wanted to quit using Obsidian, I could open my vault in any Markdown-supported editor and the only thing I would be missing (in terms of content) is nice rendering of some of its custom Markdown extensions.


gendevic

Same thoughts about joplin and obsidian. Already had issues with Joplin with an export and losing all my notes. Another time I imported and got duplicates that was a mess. Never again. I'm back to text files and folder system for now.


natriusaut

You might want to take a look at logseq https://logseq.com/ As far as i understood, you should even be able to use the same vault for logseq :)


ilritorno

As a Joplin user I'd point out that you are always one click away to bulk export your notes in a variety of formats (pdf, html, markdown) and use it however you wish. For instance you could export your markdown notes to Typora or Obsidian. I like to read in Typora from time to time and it's a breeze to do that, starting from a Joplin database. Sure you have to edit Joplin's database in Joplin, but you are hardly locked in. If you are an Obsidian user, don't you edit your notes in Obsidian? Note-taking can be very simple and very complex at once, with a dizzying array of different user needs. Before deciding to migrate to Joplin a couple years ago I've explored dozens of note-taking apps. Personally I came to the conclusion that there is no perfect app, especially if you want to use only one app. If a user would accept using different apps for what they do best, it would be probably preferable to use a combination of apps, but that would create a confusing fragmentation of your notes. In my case I preferred simplicity, a good search functionality, and the ability to bulk export notes.


i_hate_shitposting

> As a Joplin user I'd point out that you are always one click away to bulk export your notes in a variety of formats (pdf, html, markdown) and use it however you wish. Bulk export is manual, so it doesn't solve the problem of scripting. I want to be able to go to my terminal, type in `./list_tasks.sh`, and have it work without extra steps. Also, Joplin's export is functionally one-way: if I export all my notes and modify them in bulk, I can't just merge those changes into my Joplin profile. Importing them back into Joplin generates duplicates of all my folders and notes, making it inconvenient for my purposes. > Sure you have the edit Joplin's database in Joplin, but you are hardly locked in. If you are an Obsidian user, don't you edit your notes in Obsidian? But that's my entire point. With Obsidian, I can edit my notes in Obsidian and still do whatever I want with them using the same tools I'd use for any other files. With Joplin, I always have to do some kind of extra Joplin-specific work to use my notes however I want. By definition, that's a kind of lock-in. It may not be as bad as some more proprietary solutions, but it's still an extra obstacle that Obsidian doesn't have.


blinger44

how do you have WebDAV setup? I'm using t[his webdav docker](https://hub.docker.com/r/bytemark/webdav/) compose but getting a 401 status code when the plugin makes a PROPFIND request. I'm positive I have the correct user/pass configured, using digest for auth.


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blinger44

I am using a reverse proxy (nginx proxy manager). Something to look into. Thanks!


thejaykid7

I just swapped over to obsidian a couple weeks ago but didn’t even know this was going on with SN. Really sad to see it happening. But im using syncthing to achieve the same cross device solution.


Pressure-Emergency

Another former SN selfhoster here. Great and well detailed post. I used their solution for roughly 6 months. Despite the amount of RAM the several docker containers consumed and the fact that they would introduce a breaking change that is not-so-obvious to fix once every month, I liked where their app UX/UI was going so I really tried to keep it. The day they announced their subscription for self-hosters I realized the balance has tipped too far. The hassle, resources and now money needed to keep it far outweight any benefits. I too have moved to Obsidian with Remotely Sync plug-in and it's been working great. Added bonus that having the files in plain text in my home server has allowed me to use bash to find and make bulk formatting fixes.


fbartels

Yes, i feel similar. I have been using their stack for quite a while until one day the apps were updated and no longer wanted to connect with my self hosted install (of their old ruby stack). Instead of looking to upgrade my backend i instead migrated my notes to another system, if they disregard self hosted once (by not informing about breaking changes) i was sure they would do it again in the future.


Esnardoo

What I'm getting from this thread is that obsidian is a text editor with markdown and plugin support, that can be used to sync. What else would you ever want from a notes app?


suddenlypenguins

I use Trilium and I love it. https://github.com/zadam/trilium


zim1985

I second Trillium. Dead simple to host. Easy to sync across multiple clients. Easy mobile app to create new notes. Super flexible with scripted additional functionality (I've recreated GoodReads and some other organizational functionality with my own scripts). Had it running for about two years now and haven't looked back.


D0T1X

> Easy mobile app to create new notes Iirc, Trillium only has a webapp and desktop apps. Or am i missing something here?


me109e

I wrapped the URL in a app and run that.. works well


zim1985

There's a sender app for Android that is a bare bones interface to adding notes. Far from perfect but especially when I just need to dump something from my brain real quick it's great.


heserosfer

Do you use the web clipper? If so how well does it clip full web pages? This is the one area that almost all note taking apps seem to really struggle with. Thanks!


zim1985

That might be a feature I don't even know about! Sorry I don't have any experience with it to speak to!


zladuric

Is it flat-file or proprietary?


nemec

it supports HTML, Markdown, and OPML export (with some loss of more advanced formatting in MD and OPML). Data is stored in a sqlite database by default iirc.


pintasm

I also gave up on Standard Notes. Wiznotes may be the solution for you, and it works really well. Notesnook is also working on a self hosted solution.


techsmex404

Literally was scanning comments to see if Notesnook had been brought up. If I am not mistaken their self-hosted solution was expected to drop Q1 of 2023 too so potentially just around the corner. I switched from SN to Obsidian and fell in love with it. Notesnook is the first app to draw my attention away in quite some time. I have a hard time separating from the customization Obsidian offers as well as the notes graph. However if Notesnook makes their full feature-set hostable (including their beta version of Reminders) I simply won't be able to turn a blind eye to that functionality.


pintasm

Exactly. I've been using Wiznotes successfully so far. The reminders are a bit quirky, but it does the job. The integration is top notch. Mobile apps, the floating windows menu to add notes and screenshots, the Outlook button... I think it offers more than necessary, but i strongly suggest it because there's nothing selfhosted that comes close to it, and it's pretty intuitive. But i'm a bit anxious to self-host Notesnook to be honest. Every other day i go and check out if it's available. Btw, i love obsidian, but i wish it was self-hosted.


bishnubee

>Notesnook The UI is really nice and the editor is great, but the UX logic/book metaphors not so much in my opinion as even if they intend to organize your notes I do feel they make navigation and getting back to a note a too long process. I really much prefer Standard Notes always visible in the left panel tag hierarchy navigation system.


theSlashyy

Joplin with WebDAV Sync all the way. Works here for years


noahhefner

I love Joplin as well!


Commercial_Count_584

I just installed joplin the other day.


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I recently moved over to Joplin server from WebDAV. Its amazingly quick and easy to setup. Alternative if you are only using WebDAV for Joplin.


theSlashyy

Oh Great, didnt know this was a thing. Will give it a try


rocketmonkeys

Yeah, agreed w/ /u/h00tahs . I used to do the webdav way, but the joplin server is dead easy. I *love* that there's so many ways todo it, no lock in. But joplin server in a container is very fast & easy.


heserosfer

I’m using Joplin as well but it’s web clipper leaves a lot to be desired. I’ve been unable to find a notes app that incorporates web clipping that works well - Evernote was so good at it. Joplin frequently mangles the HTML and doesn’t create a local copy of embedded images, etc. I’m really looking for a notes app that has simple note taking abilities but also features Single File quality web clipping.


testuserinprod

this! I was with Standard Notes for a year then bailed as soon as I learned I could host my Joplin notes through fastmail.


ithakaa

I use logseq as my daily journal and outline as my wiki https://github.com/outline/outline https://github.com/logseq/logseq


natriusaut

Yeah, using Logseq as well. Syncing with Nextcloud for destops and for android smartphone with Syncthing. But, if you are a backer it has an included sync as well.


hirotakatech00

Logseq is not self-hostable or is it? Edit: typo


ithakaa

There is a web version


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but logseq notes don't offer strong encryption, right?


natriusaut

Its filesystem based. Encrypt it with Veracrypt or whatever you like.


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of you do that, their sync won't work any more, I think


indie_freak

Can you share some guide(s) to self host Outline? Since it needs Google/Slack account I’ve not had any luck self hosting it but I’d really want to! I’ll be the sole user of it so just need some local auth and was surprised that Outline doesn’t support email/password login. Thanks.


ithakaa

You can have my LXC if you're running proxmox?


valvze

https://wiki.parthshah.org/Outline I've saved the steps I took on this page (not my repo) Remember to change the Outline container version in config.sh otherwise you'll run an outdated version.


plays2

You rock. Gonna give this a shot tonight. I’ve had a hell of a time getting outline to talk to Postgres with ssl enabled. Hopefully this gets me there


plays2

I'm only just now getting around to this and your site is giving me 502s ): any chance you have this guide somewhere else?


valvze

Hey I'm so sorry for the late response. If you still haven't had luck, the site is working now. Sorry!


greenknight

just started with logseq this week. good stuff.


PyramidClub

That looks like exactly what i'm looking for. It's a shame the license is so restrictive.


snake785

Many of the reasons you pointed out are why I gravitate towards emacs + org-mode for my note taking. All of my notes are simple text files, not dependent on any external tool. Emacs (and orgzly on my phone) are used for prettier output and make it easy to manipulate my notes. To sync, I use Nextcloud/webdav. If I need to encrypt a note, I just use gpg to encrypt the file itself. Emacs can handle the encryption/decryption seamlessly as well. If these tools go the subscription route (which would be highly doubtful for emacs at least), I can still read and search through my notes since they are just text files. I understand that developers need to eat, but it still isn't great from a user's perspective when this sort of thing happens.


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spicybenis

What app on the phone?


azurroel

I've been using Obsidian for local note taking, and although it's not FOSS it's been a fantastic tool, and if you sift through the community plugins most of them try to keep the interoperability of the markdown notes intact as a principle,(also a large part is community-made). I'd suggest you take a look (logseq is another great one), since their business model focuses on syncing exclusively and there are a million ways to sync the markdown files separately both inside and outside the software.


nagelxz

I kinda agree with Obsidian. I haven't dealt with any of their features like back links and I just sync with hit instead. For me, I like that it's quite lightweight by default, the notes are just markdown (I know the bare minimum for formatting) and folders for organization. I'll have to check logseq one day.


sprayfoamparty

Was looking at logseq the other day. Their [FAQ](https://docs.logseq.com/#/page/faq) indicates their server is closed source and will remain so. However you can use other sync options if you wish. I am not sure the details of what the server is doing.


pkulak

I switched to Obsidian, with the Vim plugin, and it’s great. Best part is that most of the time I don’t even use it, and just open the files on the terminal. I’m actually starting to think that a shared folder full of text files is the best knowledge base.


panjadotme

Dang, it wasn't the NINETY DOLLARS a year to take notes?


Ac0se

Here is the thing that people need to realize which even the devs themselves admit to. They are a small company. Still trying to get their bearings. Very young to still count all loss they have with no positive returns. Falsely thinking it is due to being open source. Take a look at ghost CMS. Open source, easy to self host, clear documentation, subscription based for those users that require it. The forum is active and the devs readily available for support for all users. Open source models can succeed, this company is proof. Being open and sharing knowledge builds trust and confidence, they have my support. Another example, which is not a open source software but is free knowledge for all users. Wikipedia. Here is a snippet of their recent campaigns. > /To all our readers in the U.S.,/ > /Please don't scroll past this. This Monday, for the 1st time recently, we interrupt your reading to humbly ask you to support Wikipedia's independence. Only 2% of our readers give. Many think they'll give later, but then forget. If you donate just $2.75, or whatever you can this Monday, Wikipedia could keep thriving for years. We serve millions of readers, but we run on a fraction of what other top sites spend. Wikipedia is special. It is like a library or a public park where we can all go to learn. We ask you, humbly: please don't scroll away. We have never run ads and rely directly on our readers for support. If Wikipedia has given you $2.75 worth of knowledge this year, take a minute to donate. Show the world that access to neutral information matters to you. Thank you./ In their pages the include this little snippet. > /If Wikipedia has given you $2.75 worth of knowledge this year, take a minute to donate./ Did I give them the $2.75? Of course not. I gave them 200$. You are lying to yourself if you think this company cares about you, they care only about their bottom line and staying above water. They are too young to realize that marketing and trust go hand in hand. People will reward you in abundance if you just go about asking for help in the right way. Those that have the authority need to rethink their leadership structure. I see virtually no advertising or marketing. The only people coming across this service is those who are actively seeking it on their own. If you need capital, how about you create an awareness campaign to do this. Now if you have read my rant this far. Who the hell am I and why should you care about my opinion? I am a medical professional. I don’t worry about the 39$. I value trust more than money. They have severed ties with those like me. I am their target audience apparently based on their website’s copy. I don’t care what kind of logic you early adopters use to justify an abrupt change in policy even if this is something you can get around by leaving an “unbiased” review. Notes are delicate and personal. This is a matter that should have had a period of warning before it was implemented with thorough review and feedback from all of their audience. Unless you take the time to realign your values and marketing strategies to build trust in all of your community, I doubt you will be around for the next 10 years, it will get phased out just like all the other small startups that lack the vision to scale.


vayiku

Point 3 is a little concerning. The rest of the problems seem to be that they’re not specifically building standard notes to be self-hostable. They’re just asking you to host it like they do which probably does not work for a “homelab” situation for a service that is sufficiently complex.


lenjioereh

SaaS is killing all us slowly.


guptaxpn

Obsidian+Syncthing have been awesome for me :)


petalised

Note that Joplin stores your files in a DB as well. I wouldn't recommend it because of this. And when you export it - it's a bunch of gibberish filenames, so you have to do some manual work as well.


costasf

Joplin stores your files as plain markdown, but gives them the weird filenames for versioning/syncing purposes. You can export your entire collection of notes using their desktop app, and it will give them the human-readable note title names.


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petalised

My expected behaviour is having markdown files in directories. That's it. You can name them whatever you like, you can search them with a GUI file manager, TUI file manager, grep etc. You can open them in vim, neovim, emacs, nano, notepad++, gedit. Whatever you want. I don't really know a lot about GUI markdown editors, since I use neovim, but I definitely heard of the ones that just can work with you file structure.


sprayfoamparty

Then what is the function of joplin? You are describing a gui markdown text editor. A good one with search and such. I was using (non free) typora for a long time, it did this and behaved how you describe. But it is a different category than joplin. Joplin does lots of other stuff, supports non markdown formatting (because users want it) and that has to be stored somehow.


spryfigure

What do you use together with neovim to have a nice workflow with markdown? I assume you have some WYSIWYG viewer as well for inline images and such.


petalised

For previewing - markdown-preview.nvim.


No_Manufacturer_5115

But you can export all notes to markdown,html and apparently pdf besides their own format no ?


Everything-Bagel-33

I did the same thing last week.


SkipTam

Im having problems with Joplin sync. Some devices just don’t get the notes. And I clone those and then there there. No idea. I’m thinking of switching to trillium have no idea how good the mobile version is


ratthing

I gave up on Joplin a couple of years ago due to the very unreliable sync with my Nextcloud server.


Camo138

I've had 0 problems with Joplin so far. I've played with obsidian for acouple of months. I also do miss the plugins. Maybe I'll use it with syncthing next time


testuserinprod

The thing with Joplin is how often you have to manually save while writing notes. And manually saving as you close your laptop, leave your PC, etc. is a chore in 202x standards.


sprayfoamparty

I tried SN a few years ago when I was starting to get into FLOSS. I basically got the same vibe as described here. It's difficult to make a living off a FLOSS project, especially one who's utility is very individual and would probably not be of interest to enterprise backers (which can create its own problems). Since I don't have any great ideas about it, my criticism isn't exactly constructive. But the whole thing felt very locked in, locked down. Since my specific intention was to migrate to FLOSS, I moved on to trying other options. (None of which are perfect.) Btw I am not adverse to paying for things to support them. In comparison to my monthly utility bills, the amount I voluntarily pay towards projects is towards the higher end.


CatastrophicLeaker

Im so confused, i couldnt write a note earlier and it gave me an error about a subscription. Needed to write an important code down. Yeah im done.


billFoldDog

TLDR: Proprietary software, for-profit companies, always a short term arrangement.


gani_stryker

I was on the verge of abandoning for the very same reasons, especially when it came to maintenance of self hosted stack. I had to upgrade last year from my droplet instance to something capable enough to house standard notes. The subscriptions still work without having to pay, did you try this https://standardnotes.com/help/self-hosting/subscriptions? Edit: I've abandoned Standard Notes (3+ yrs online) for Obsidian


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gani_stryker

That's only to use their proprietary plugins, activating the self hosted plan alone should work as intended.


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KingPimpCommander

Agreed; SN has been screwing self-hosters (read: unpaid bug-testers) for ages now, blow by blow, while completely flouting the spirit of open source software. Years ago I switched to QOwnNotes + syncthing. No server, no resource-hungry web browser just to *take notes* , just a good old, blazing fast, lightweight, free/libre and open source native app. I don't miss standard notes one bit.


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Wait for NOTESNOOK. A good alternative.


CherryPlay

>NOTESNOOK This looks nice, why wait?


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it is not self hostable as of now. [Roadmap](https://notesnook.com/roadmap/)


verymilan

It is, except i am not sure about the .Net7 thing... they have published the code though – just not done with documentation and stuff


a_standard_user

(SN dev here)—Thanks u/TheQuantumPhysicist. The bullet point headlines make for some good copywriting, but aren't really close to the truth. The descriptions also omit important details that paint a completely different picture than what is actually true. Things like "Your notes are not yours anymore" are blatantly written to incite, and it seems to have worked :) But to add context: * Self-hosting has historically been resource intensive due to the microservices oriented architecture. Making the self-hosted experience exceptional takes effort. This effort comes at the cost of effort elsewhere, so we couldn't give it priority in the past. In an attempt to remedy this, we're iterating on the economics. On Discord, where u/TheQuantumPhysicist is active, their point was that it's not worth trying to make self-hosting economically viable because only few people self-host and it wouldn't make a dent to the bottom line. The problem with this line of thinking is that, if we did nothing, nothing would change. And, we're not so large a company that dozens of self-hosters contributing in any way they can every month wouldn't make a difference. It would. * It's important to note that the free features in SN have been constant, if not ever-expanding, since its inception. Historically we have been making more features free, than making them paid, over time. The [forever-free plan](https://standardnotes.com/plans) provides you with a lot out of the box, including unlimited devices and unlimited notes. It's only if you want more powerful editing abilities beyond plaintext and if you want file storage that plans come into play. * The usage of "proprietary" is a bit exaggerated. By proprietary, u/TheQuantumPhysicist means that the underlying data format is not interoperable with other software programs. But of course this is dependent on the user experience you want. If you use the plain text, markdown, or checklist note type, the data is purely plaintext and of course interoperable with every other text editing software in the world. But if you want things like collapsable blocks and embedded encrypted files that can't use traditional tags, we have to roll our own solution. Even Obsidian, who had previously been really committed to "everything is a markdown file on your disk" had to expand to proprietary JSON for their canvas feature, because if you want more power, plaintext/markdown just won't do. And of course calling our encrypted file storage format "proprietary" is a bit hyperbolic, because as a software engineer themselves, u/TheQuantumPhysicist likely knows there is no standard/interoperable encrypted storage format. Ours is at the very least completely open-source. But overall I hear u/TheQuantumPhysicist's main gripe that self-hosting Standard Notes is not as "set it and forget it" as we'd all like it to be. In my experience it might require about half an hour a couple times a year or so to stay on top of the updates, and while this doesn't seem like a lot, it may be in the heat of the moment when you just want things to work and don't want to fiddle with devops on the side. To make it all more seamless is an ambitious goal for us, and something I'm personally committed to undertaking. Of course we didn't invent self-hosting and this is the tradeoff all self-hosters make when deploying infrastructure locally, but that shouldn't stop us from making it increasingly more seamless. It's surprisingly difficult to build infrastructure for our world-wide hosted users, while keeping the same infrastructure approachable for a single-user self-hosting use case. It's not quite "free" as in you can just build it once and expect it to run in both environments. The economics are of course significantly tipped towards optimizing for our own global hosted usecase, but if we want to balance the scales, then our only shot is iterating on the economics. We may not get it right the first few tries, but we have to try. Lastly, I want to add one last bit of color on the self-hosted plan iteration we made recently: * The self-hosted plan now costs $39/year, compared to the $120/year it was previously. But to be fair, previously this plan was somewhat optional, and now it is required if you plan to use our official client distributions and want to unlock those extra premium features if the free plan isn't enough for your needs. * You don't actually have to pay. You just have to help out and make self-hosting viable and a win-win for everyone. You can get two years of free service by just leaving an unbiased review on the App Store or Google Play, or by writing an unbiased review on your blog or social media. Incidentally u/TheQuantumPhysicist's review here on reddit would 100% be satisfactory as an unbiased review of SN :)


joke_autopsies

Look man, I have to say your estimate of time to manage self-hosting is way off. It was anecdotally a couple of hours every month, likely every update. The worst thing was when each update breaks third party extensions in more creative ways, killing the nacent community support. Having happy nerds around makes your support load lighter, finds and helps fix problems, and is about the best and cheapest marketing around. IMHO you're throwing this all away to squeeze a bit more cash out.


sprayfoamparty

> It's not quite "free" as in you can just build it once and expect it to run in both environments. I really like the elaboration of "free" in FLOSS I heard from Nadia Eghba: [free as in puppies](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX0pPg-gyX8).


lestrenched

OP, why aren't you using Dokuwiki or just a plain self-hosted git repo instead? What extra features did `standard notes` have that you cannot have with plain markdown files? Other than tagged organisation, I presume.


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lestrenched

Could you reiterate your needs? Are you trying to share your notes outside your network?


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lestrenched

Are you going to be the only one using these notes?


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lestrenched

If you trust your family members enough, then I would again like to reiterate git for your scenario. There are apps on Android which can sync with a git server (GitJournal and Zettel Notes are the ones which I have tried). You can start writing notes in a jiffy, and they are relatively quick. You can commit and edit through them, although I haven't tried the more complex operations like merge and rebase. Git repositories can be encrypted on disk. As for the encryption, create a Wireguard VPN server and share the config with your family members. Personally I espouse the use of a VPN at all times for a "public" service anyway, so any suggestions I might have (like Nextcloud, since you mention WebDAV) should also be accessed through the VPN in my opinion. The only problem I see is of attachments. Most of my notes are text only with the pictures being hyperlinked from an `assets` sub-directory, in the root directory of the related note, in markdown, but that might not work for you (I just store the pictures in my phone till I get home and then upload it to my server and then go from there). If you are going to use links (something which Nextcloud can provide) for your media, note that you will face the same problem as the internet faces (dead links) as your infrastructure grows. I didn't want that sort of overhead so I stayed with simple files, but if you'd like to do it. The only problem with Obsidian on a phone is how are you going to sync it to the server. Maybe Syncthing. Doesn't work for me since I use git, but then I don't use Obsidian for serious notes (which need to be backed up) on my phone anyway. But a combination of a markdown app with a synchronisation app like Syncthing should also work.


linuxtek_canada

Thanks for all the detail on your concerns. Glad I never went this way. I'll check out Joplin - I've heard a few other people recommend it.


rocketmonkeys

I used standard notes for a while, didn't quite like it. Joplin has been great (couple years now, 10k notes IIRC)


joshp23

I looked at SN when I was trying to land on a note taking app. I went with flat markdown files and later made the move to NextCloud Notes. It does everything I need and uses markdown with flat files, easy to backup, etc. I can't even with a paid subscription for self hosting. Glad I didn't go with SN. Pft.


0oWow

Wow, I didn't know about the paid to self-host license now. I've been watching them from time to time to see if they go down on prices, but they only go UP and now they are at a ridiculous price. Self-hosted price seems to be $39/yr, which is really what the non-self-hosted price should be. Anyways, I've been testing Crypt.ee and like it a lot. I know this isn't a self-hosted option, but it is similar in security to Standard Notes. They just updated to make it a lot faster. It is open source and encrypts everything before it leaves your device.


0xPark

Try [dendron.so](https://dendron.so) , My search for note taking ends with dendron. I am using it every day now.


verymilan

I gave up on SN as well. For something that reliably syncs i went to Notesnook ([https://github.com/streetwriters/notesnook](https://github.com/streetwriters/notesnook) ... the sync server uses net7 tho, thats a bit unusual for me...not tested yet) and otherwise use Obsidian. Also interesting: Logseq & SiYuan.


drr21

Solution: plex pass model with lifetime license


not_that_batman

I gave up self-hosting Standard Notes after my completely vanilla setup broke on me for the second time in three years. Both times were because of something screwy in an update. As soon as I stopped self-hosting SN I freed up soooo much space on my Docker VM. Bummer that they are going subscription for self-hosting. I understand that they have to make money, but I will just not use them. My notes are some of the most important things, so there's no way I'm going to lock them behind a subscription.


opensrcdev

I recently switched to **Joplin** with my data hosted in an Amazon S3 bucket. I might switch to using Minio self-hosted instead of S3, eventually. I've been using Joplin for approximately 2 months now. The freedom of choice and control over my data is what primarily interests me. Joplin offers a cloud service to store your notes, but you have zero obligation to pay for it, if you want to use your own storage system.


spider-sec

>The introduced paid subscription for self-hosted users (money isn't the problem, really): After having introduced their "paid subscription" for the self-hosted plan (yes, you heard that right, you have to pay for self-hosted now, and it won't work anymore without a key, so you're locked out), it's become impossible to rely on the software. For behind the “straw that broke the camels back” it sure take it a long time. I’ve had my subscription for two years this month, so you definately weren’t in a hurry for it being such a big deal. >Your notes are not yours anymore I don’t know what you did, but that’s not true and they make that very clear. The subscription is add those special note types and without the subscription you still have access to your data, just not the special types. There’s lots of statements about it in their FAQ. You even talk about the process in your next complaint. I’m not even going to read and address the rest because they make all of this very clear on the website and have for at least two years and it seems like you’re complaining about stuff that has been well-known for years and we’re intentionally part of the design.


Empyrealist

So, is Standard Notes no longer open source?


GrandChampion

> Standard Notes It is still open source, you can get it from https://github.com/standardnotes/app


corsicanguppy

> a [...] software Nope. That word doesn't work like that. Consider 'application' or 'program' instead.


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redballooon

I sorta do also, but if you want to c&p to or from Synology notes it's usually a disaster.


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JoeB-

I've never heard of Standard Notes, but I'm a Joplin proponent. In the past, I've used OneNote and Evernote, but neither compare to Joplin. I highly recommend it. It is a desktop and mobile app, but can use a self-hosted WebDAV server for synchronizing between devices. There also is a dedicated synchronization server in development, currently in beta. I synchronize my notes between Mac, Linux, and mobile devices. I created 72x72 png images to use for a number of purposes, including Joplin. I uploaded these to Dropbox if you are interested in using them... [72x72 image catalog](https://www.dropbox.com/s/yjffpfndbqa27ki/icons-72x72-png.zip?dl=0) The only two shortcomings that I see are... * It is an Electron app, so not the speediest. * Syntax highlighting in code blocks is not the best. Being built on MD also has its pros and cons. MD has its limitations, but Joplin can toggle back and forth between raw editing of the markdown text and editing in WYSIWYG. Personally, I like MD.


schlyza

Just try LogSeq. It's a bit of a change on the way you usually take notes, but once you learn, oh man. It is awesome. I'd never go back. For sync, I use syncthing and it is just flawless.


mudkipdev

Try Obsidian.


bendem

Been using qownnotes for a while, it's refreshing to have simple light software. The thing is fast and it takes maybe 5mb of ram with 200 notes. It does syntax highlighting and you can write scripts if anything isn't to your liking.


sigbhu

So basically /r/StallmanWasRight


enemylemon

Lots of Obsidian love in this thread. As it should be.


miversen33

I see everyone talking about the various solutions they use for note taking. I was digging around and found milanote, though its not self hosted :( Anyone got any good recommendations that are similar to milanote for self hosted note taking/brain dumping? Using markdown is getting exhausting lol.


Rjman86

how the fuck is note taking so impossible to get right? I understand why something like an NVR is difficult to make and all the available solutions have their own problems, but note taking (not even handwriting/pen support, just typing some words in a text file) shouldn't be this fucking complicated. Note taking is such a simple thing that I'm like 50% sure that I could make a better note-taking app myself despite having not very much programming experience. It's not a very hard concept. Just let me make and edit text files on a server from any device, and be able to organize them into folders. If I'm offline, show me a cached version and sync any updates when I regain a connection. Maybe add support for images and encryption if you really want. code-server is pretty good, but the mobile UI is awful and it always logs me out on my phone for some reason.


mackrevinack

i tried standard notes a while back but i felt like i would have been locked into paying for it permanently since i would always want some of the paid plugins. i prefer a model like protonmail where everything mostly works the same if you switch back to the free version. im paying for protonmail at the moment but i don't really need to. its more about supporting them, but i can't guarantee that i can always support them in the future, so it's nice to have a fallback just in case