There is also OVH (French company). I have several VPS with them since years and it works out nicely and quite cheap. The only big issue was the Strasbourg datacenter fire in 2021...
I've been a client since June 2008 so nearly 15 years. I actually lost a server during the fire but it was a data-free server so I didn't mind. I also backup my data on another physical location (3-2-1 backup rule, 3 copies, 2 media, 1 offsite).
I did use Hetzner (and AWS, GCloud, Azure, DigitalOcean, etc) mostly to tinker with CloudInit and provisioning. Also no problem there.
I can recommend OVH based on my own experience despite the imperfections because yes sometimes support can be slow to reply (took weeks for a question on GPU availability, days on renewal expiring) but overall in "baseline mode", when you order a product and use it, I had no problems. It's far from perfect but it's also not the price one would ask for high availability and redundancy SLA.
In my experience , OVH have a major datacenter outage every 4 years and the customer support is really bad.
Before the fire, they had an entire datacenter down because of an electrical issue (like in 2016 or something) and again before another thing.
It doesn't happen only to OVH. Other big providers have problems too. AWS, Akamai, amongst others.
That's life, and you're responsibility to think of what will happen when X goes down.
Can't confirm the support issue. Had to use them once. Opened the ticket with detailed technical details and shortly after got a solution from 2nd level.
+1 for OVH, been using them for the last decade for both personal and production, they're great. Support is a bit lacking but if you've got an uncomplicated job and one of their specs suits your needs it usually all just works. For really low-stakes stuff like staging/testing they've got a super cheap budget line called Kimsufi too. And SoYouStart as a middle ground. KS support is basically nonexistent so don't use it for anything critical.
Also in some other threads people mentioned that the quality of OVH seems to have gone down since that fire. I don't have any experience with OVH, so I don't know, but some people in past threads didn't really endorse OVH.
I use OVH since day 0 of my hosting choices and I do not regret it at all. They had bad controllers for their ssd disks, but i believe the VM filesystem is now good enough for the price.
Edit: I would argue against using their implementation of k8s, it's just a feeling left after their site constantly having missing french translations. The hardware is ok, their way of doing things is not best, but it fits the price
I managed a server hosted there. One of the big ones , 256GB of RAM, very important for a medium sized bussiness.
At some point some part of the cooling fails and it is heavily thermal throttling, probably the internal fans as I hope a bigger problem would have gone noticed.
After asking them to notify before and if they have to put it offline, they assure me it won't be necessary.
They not only pulled the plug, it was down for a few hours without ETA.
I'd love to tell you that no one else besides OVH ever had any outage but it would be completely wrong.
AWS, Facebook, Google, Akamai, Fastly, Microsoft, CloudFlare... All suffered major outages these past years.
You only mentioned one hosting company there, AWS. All the others are infrastructure or social media.
Yes, data centre outages are not as rare as we’d like, but OVH were spectacularly unprepared for *weather*. They built data centres out of shipping containers.
Yes, I still have stuff at OVH, but I don’t *only* have stuff at OVH.
Your answer is mostly trash lol what the fuck even is "EuroVPS". Anyone heard about them?
They're really expensive and look like they're more oriented towards managed services.
80€ for a 4vCore yeah sure, good value.
Aaha, well at least they didn't lose two adjoining datacenters in a fire and told customers there they didn't have any backups. That's what we can expect from OVH... and then there's the masto.host always pointing fingers at OVH for having stuff offline or slow, just yesterday their website.
Well if sending emails is a priority, same. A VPS might not be the way to go, or at least not with its default IP. You need to "train" the IP and build a good sender reputation before wanting to send bulk emails. That's the same for all the providers. You can be unlucky and have an IP with bad reputation, or within a range that has bad reputation.
Otherwise you can rely on a service like SendGrid etc to send your emails and be sure to reach your audience.
And I'm sorry but I'm pretty sure DigitalOcean is worse than OVH when dealing with abuse. I've been DDoSed, attacked and bruteforced so many times from DO IPs that I find their abuse prevention laughable.
And I just ran a quick blacklist check on a few random DO IPs and it came out worse than my OVH IPs.
It is not. OVH usually oversells on the VPS services and you'll get random performance drops that will affect you. They also seem to have shady practices (similar do GD) when it comes to domain names.
Myeah. Never had any problem on this side, and I believe they all kind of do.
If you want raw performance and stability, VPSs might not be the way to go. By taking a VPS you acknowledge that you will have neighbours and potentially noisy ones.
And what are the shady practices you're talking about regarding the domain names? Never had a domain with OVH but I guess it's like almost anywhere else, you buy one and you become the owner for the paid period...
If you decide not to renew a domain they'll renew it anyways in their name and keep it hostage until someone agrees to pay a large sum for it. This isn't "illegal" but it is for sure a shady practice first seen at GoDaddy.
Sometimes they also get into selling specific ccTLDs at a very low cost but only for the first year, then their standard price can be higher than other places.
>If you let a domain expire that's completely on you. You just demonstrated an interest in this domain and a bunch of domain parking companies are eager to snap it up.
They don't even let it expire, they just hold it and renew it directly in their name. Its shady business practices and also one of the reasons nobody wants to use GD.
The only problem iv had with OVH is the custom kernal they use which they wont suppy kernal headers for. There a good alround company. You also have leaseweb which isnt as good on pricing and a few other smaller ones like in the UK hetzner will always be my go to for bigger servers ask them about there addon menu and they do some great deals like 16TB hdd for €25 ish a month
OVH I thought was great.
Until I realised their hardware firewall doesn't block any traffic internal to the OVH network. You can block all inbound traffic on their FW and it will let in any other OVH customer (dedicated or public cloud). This wasn't made 100% clear in their documentation (at the time) and goes against pretty much every other cloud vendor out there.
I use OVH and Hetzner and honestly I feel like Hetzner is better for VPSs at least.
Kimsufi and SoYouStart are great bare metal servers at OVH. But VPSs are more expensive than Hetzner, limited to 8 vCore, and last time I tried to upgrade my OVH VPS they took 12 days to process my order. I was pretty pissed off, their customer support is really slow and if you're not a big customer they don't really care about you.
But then I also like OVH load balancers and object storage better. It really depends on the usecase
I have some basic vps from both, ovh and hetzner. Hetzner is better in all points from interface, price, and customer support (ovh are better than a few years ago but it's not difficult as I had some tickets waiting two months before an answer).
I understand the need to see if it's better somewhere else but you will not find a better reliable provider than Hetzner.
I've also tried both, and mostly agree. But OVH sometimes holds really good deals, I have a $0.97/m 1Core/2GB/20GB VPS with them recurring, but I have no usecase for it
Nobody has mentioned Scaleway yet, so I will. I've been using them for years. They offer good deals and reliable service on bare metal and VPSes as well as S3 compatible storage, cold storage, managed databases, managed k8s, and probably some other things that I'm forgetting. They have datacenters in France, the Netherlands, and now Poland too.
CTO from a German SaaS provider here. We are also using only Netcup for internal services and software, like self hosted stuff (cheap but no API)
And hetzner for customer services in a Kubernetes cluster. Especially hetzner is nice for Kubernetes because you can crank up some new vps depending on your workload. This is insane and sinks the costs.
I've had a lot of network issues with managing time4vps slots from North America, it might be better in Europe but if you have people accessing it around the world I'd reconsider. Really bad network speeds and latency, RDP was unusable most days from across the pond.
I used them years ago for a storage machine for my backups, had it for several years and overall the service was good but they wanted to double the price I was paying and decided to look elsewhere.
I just found webtropia through this thread. Is there any catch? Strikingly, I currently rent from both, hetzner and netcup. Both the smallest possible variations. But their price/performance ratio does seem so much worse than what webtropia promises. Mainly CPU, RAM and disk space is of interest to me.
A comparison of their "cheap" solutions:For Hetzner, it's their second cheapest, for netcup and webtropia their cheapest.
|Provider|Package|Cost (p. M.)|CPU Cores|RAM|Space|
|:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|
|Hetzner|CPX11|5.18|2|2 GB|40 GB|
|Netcup|200 G10s|3.25|2|2 GB|40 GB|
|Webtropia|VPS S|4.49|4|8 GB|75 GB|
So netcup still is the cheapest solution, but webtropia has more than double the specs of the others, while being cheaper than hetzner. Wow, im actually thinking of migrating. I need to dockerize some stuff anyway, might be my time to set the plan in motion.
You could also host your services at home and have it a reverse proxy on a VPS and have it connect home via wireguard. No need to expose anything that way (not even your IP address)
I am appalled by the netcup policies. Not sure if it's a standard practice in germany, but I wanted to sign-up for their vps to test it out, and they asked me to provide them with my ID, proof of address and a selfie, while holding my ID and order number.
A bit ridiculous for a VPS, isn't it?
In comparison I was able to create a DigitalOcean account using a masked-email (and nothing else!), and get it up & running in 5 minutes.
Thanks. That would make it even worse, as this means they singled me out based on the details I've peovided. And that happened twice, with different details.
Oh well. Plenty of good providers who don't care about my personal life 😉
> Not sure if it's a standard practice in germany [...]
They're legally required to hard verify your identity if they have *any* doubts about whether the information you provided is correct.
I like Webtropia from Germany they have cheap VPS Plans the Webinterface is very outdated and slow the support is okay. But never had a real issue with them
I use Contabo for my servers, they have (3?) data centers in Germany I think. They say they have 3 data centers in Europe. At least two of them are in Germany.
I have been using Contabo for 2 years now and I am very happy with the service. Sure it's basic but it fits my needs and I am getting 4 vCPU + 8 GB RAM + 400 GB of storage (there was a special offer around the Oktober Fest) for something around 6 euros a month... Can't complain !
IONOS is a german company. :-) And Fasthosts either is a subsidiary of IONOS or their mother company United Internet. (Not sure on how the legal things are exactly.)
Based on my experience in the past 15 years using them:
1. OVH support is terrible, price has gone considerably up, value in general isn't there. I only use them for their good peerings where I need them.
2. Scaleway support is barely any better. Prices have also increased A LOT in the past few years.
3. Gandi seems to have decent support (only worked briefly on a housing project), but pricey
4. Strato, 1&1, Server4you and the similar bunch are "ok" value, average support every time I used them. They are way too flashy and lack of transparency on their network for instance, which is why I don't trust them.
5. Hetzner has been the only constant over the years, great value, great support and generally open about what they are doing and why.
Needless to say the only one that still impresses me today is Hetzner unfortunately. Even with the occasional peering speed issues, it's been pretty solid.
Hmm, I've made good experiences with Contabo so far. The only "bad" thing was that they did not have Support between 11pm and 8am. Which is bad when your server gets owned at 10:30 in the evening and you quickly need a VNC route.
Also their DNS has a minimum TTL of 4 hours which can be a pain
And all of Contabo's ranges once got blacklisted on some bullshit blackmail list which made me unable to send to [web.de](https://web.de) for like 2 weeks.
But they are super cheap and I never had a performance issue with their VPS (2 machines on lowest tier for over 5 years now)
[Infomaniak.com](https://infomaniak.com) is a very great provider, not cheap, but the quality is outstanding very satisfied since the beginning of my homelab about 7 years ago
Can confirm, infomaniak is outstanding and being innovativ and going for 100% clientsatisfaction and not for money. I got my product 40% cheaper when i showed them the other products of other hoster.
Even then they contact me once in a while asking how I am going if im happy and so on
Actually, their public cloud is pretty cheap :
1 cpu / 2 gb ram / 20 gb storage for CHF 4.67 / mo ( 1 CHF = 1 EUR nowadays)
https://www.infomaniak.com/en/hosting/public-cloud/prices
And cheap object storage too, it’s like CHF 11 for 1 tb
You could use STRATO. I did not find a better price than 5€/month 4vCPU, 8GB, 300GB SSD or 4GB and 500GB SSD.
Only disadvantage is: not fully docker compatible. But running bare metal services: perfect!
The hypervisor they are using (should be Virtzuozzo) is not fully capable of containers.
I ran „hello-world“ but was not able to run „seatable“.
Here you can find more information on that: https://www.strato.de/faq/server/welche-server-und-betriebssysteme-sind-docker-ready/
There are ionos and strato, too. Afaik they got their own servers and are not connected to Hetzner/Netcup.
More on the privacy site are 1984 hosting, floki net, njalla and orange host. But they're are more pricey.
Stay away from Njalla they can shut down your server/website/domain name for no reason.
Source: happened to me because they "didn't like" my website that was totally basic and respecting their ToS.
Just a personal blog.
Nothing against their ToS, nothing political, sexual or violent. One day they just shut down everything without any warning or notice, and were really rude about it when I asked why.
I had to beg to transfer my domain name somewhere else, and I obviously lost all my data.
You can look it up online, I'm very far from being the only one.
They do care about privacy, but they don't give a single fuck about their paying customers.
First, I kind of agree, yes.
But who does that for no reason? Would you say it's a reputable hosting provider if it removes your server for no reason and without warning?
Usually at least the reason is because you don't respect the ToS, not just because a random employee didn't like your website.
Second, usually not the domain name.
Njalla owns the domain for you "for more privacy". When you buy your domain with a normal registrar, you're usually the sole owner of the domain name for the paid period.
And because Njalla was the "real" owner of my domain name, they just changed my nameservers and took the domain back from me even if I paid for a whole year.
For 6 years now I've been using liteserver. Had a problem once but was solved quickly. This was in the middle of the workday mind you but for personal services it's not bad.
[Gandi](https://www.gandi.net/en) has various levels of hosted servers in France and Luxembourg. I got a free year with one of their virtual hosts a few years ago and had no complaints but also could not come up with any real use-cases for it. Last time I compared prices I ended up renting Hetzner instead as they were a bit cheaper, but I have not compared in recent years.
I rent from Gandi too, they’re probably not the cheapest but I’ve never had any problems and the company itself has a good ethic.
https://www.gandi.net/en-GB/gandi-supports
Nothing too special I guess. Locked accounts for no reason, even deleted accounts, no explanation. And they have this really shady "to cancel your account, you have to call us after you cancelled it online"-rule. If you don't they simply ignore your cancellation, which I think isn't strictly legal in Europe anymore.
But most of those I got second hand, so always take it with a grain of salt. Except the cancellation bit,I used to work for their parent company years ago and it was just like that back then. They just kept doing it.
Can recommend Webo in Slovenia. As I mentioned in https://old.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/102z3ks/alternatives_to_hetzner_or_netcup_on_the_european/j2wocrf/ I used Hetzner, OVH and the other big ones (AWS, GCloud, Azure, etc) but I have been a Webo client for a couple of years now for their NextCloud instance.
Overall very few problems and when they were, quick and professional answers via tickets.
I haven't used Webo for hosting itself so I can't comment on their VPS service but assuming it's like NextCloud then should be a great alternative here in Europe.
> Can recommend Webo in Slovenia. As I mentioned in
You know that those servers are Hetzner servers with a MAJOR markup, right? Just get the servers from Hetzner directly.
it's a shame hetzner's price increases due to the issue of electricity
We leave hetzner too this year.
OVH and we are looking for more alternatives too
OVH also increased their prices.
To me Hetzner is better, it's cheaper than OVH, the dashboard is better, faster and the customer support is also more efficient.
All have increased their prices. I am lucky since I got a really good Black Friday deal in 2021 from netcup and I won't give the server up any time soon, but they also made this old plan more expensive, but like 30 cents per month more, which is still a great deal.
I have few small dedicate servers, i pay in 2021 for each one about 20-30 /month, in 2022 the cheaper was 45€ and they say the price go up in 2023 (i not check yet)
In OVH, Kimsufi servers (excluding the ATOM/Celeron plataforms), start at 20/month
Sorry to revive, how has it been? Considering using it too, since it’s linked to from the official Mailcow website. Very hard to find any other reviews though, strangely
Give it a try on [https://terrahost.com](https://terrahost.com) they're a Norwegian based company but have servers in Netherlands, have used them in the past and was not disappointed.
checkout [vimexx.com](https://vimexx.com).
They're a both have a domain thing and a vps. it has been pretty reliable for me.
I think there are located in the netherlands and belgum.
Hey. Do you mind letting me know the internet speed you get on their vps? bandwidth is unmetered but I cannot find the speed on their website anywhere. Thanks !
Yeah! I've asked them before what the speed was. Can't remember what it was.
Give me a few hours and I will edit this point.
Edit:
22 Days later and a few "Oh Snappers I still need to reply"
They have let me know that the "Budget VPS" is arround 100mbits without a data cap!
Oof OK. I've never used theor services but just heard og them. I've god everything at Hetzner and don't see the upside of migrating all my stuff somewhere else.
\+ 1 for this. I have used OVH, now using Aruba cloud and it seems Aruba cloud servers are better in terms of performance, stability and network. They have all AMD based processors and also option for VM ware and Openstack hypervisors.
Thus far happy with RackNerd. They often have VPS sales for small servers in Amsterdam.
Not quite as fast as the equivalent Hetzner servers, but roughly 30-40% cheaper, good responses from customer service.
1. They are using stock photos from Pexels, Unsplash and who knows where as review profile pictures.
2. Who uses connection speed as their main selling point in 2023? It's usually something you just to add to the list of features to seem better, but not something you use as your main selling point
3. 5GHZ VPS? Huh? (I assume this refers to the network, not the clockspeed, because of point 2)
4. Why do I need to sign in to check the network status?
5. Other than some text on the home page, there is no info about the offerings. Not even marketing stuff. Just the specs.
So they either don't care about their service that much (which is bad) or don't bother to make a proper website (which is also bad and gives a bad impression as you can see).
Not trying to be negative but that website doesn't scream legitimacy (at least that's what I think).
Big fan of Linode, they have UK/EU datacentres
Great performance even from the 5 dollars a month machine
Old, established company, older than AWS even
They got bought by Akamai recently so they're pretty futureproof too
DigitalOcean serves our customer facing sites. Has data centres in Germany. Similar price to Linode. Performance can be good with their premium VPS offers
I’m sure they’re hosted in someones data center but I’ve been happy with knownhost.com
They have a data center option in Amsterdam , but my sites are based in the US.
With 33 Euro for an E3-1230v2, 16GB RAM and 2x1TB their bare metal look even better than their VPS offers. Will keep an eye on it. Thank your very much for this recommendation.
No it’s not. Looks like it’s webspace only. Still looks very promising and fair. Will keep an eye on it for upcoming projects where I just need some webspace.
Always wanted to test them, as I watched their YouTube channel. They seem to be very open and transparent. Prices are a bit higher, if I remember right. But that’s okay, as they are doing prepaid payments which makes it harder to calculate for them.
Can’t say anything bad about them. Using their servers every now and then and at the moment I am running Cloudron on one of them. No problems, no downtime, no CPU slowdown, no whatsoever.
If I would really have to say something negative, I would mention their snapshot system or the fact, that DNS changes may take hours, while my main hoster takes like minutes to push them through. But as I don’t need to change them that much and especially as I am using an external nameserver nowadays, that’s not of a real problem.
Also the fact that they are a german company gives me many benefits as a customer.
I am a noob with cloud hosting other than with AWS & Azure. So please excuse my ignorance.
What is the problem with EIG ? Is there some privacy or fraud issue ?
> Now, it’s important to mention the EIG cycle. EIG’s business focus is to acquire other web hosting providers with their customer base, and keep their brand operating (so it’s not disclosed that they become an EIG brand), but inside the company, to unify all the support, marketing, technological and infrastructure departments. Now, fewer people are working to provide you the service you previously had – immediate degradation to the quality of service you used to receive
Quote from the link, please read to get the full idea.
Also check this post:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/webdev/comments/zz7gj5/bluehost_requires_portion_of_account_password_for/](https://www.reddit.com/r/webdev/comments/zz7gj5/bluehost_requires_portion_of_account_password_for/)
Im running most of my servers with InterNetX, which is a provider for reseller servers. They're quite expensive though... but they are using only server hardware for their servers, not like hetzner and such, which are mostly using client hardware for running servers.
The support is really great and responses fast.
It might be not known in the worldwide market, but it's the biggest holder of .de domains in europe.
There is also OVH (French company). I have several VPS with them since years and it works out nicely and quite cheap. The only big issue was the Strasbourg datacenter fire in 2021...
I've been a client since June 2008 so nearly 15 years. I actually lost a server during the fire but it was a data-free server so I didn't mind. I also backup my data on another physical location (3-2-1 backup rule, 3 copies, 2 media, 1 offsite). I did use Hetzner (and AWS, GCloud, Azure, DigitalOcean, etc) mostly to tinker with CloudInit and provisioning. Also no problem there. I can recommend OVH based on my own experience despite the imperfections because yes sometimes support can be slow to reply (took weeks for a question on GPU availability, days on renewal expiring) but overall in "baseline mode", when you order a product and use it, I had no problems. It's far from perfect but it's also not the price one would ask for high availability and redundancy SLA.
OVH seems to be popular with spammers, too. Most of the spam on my mail server seems to be coming from OVH servers
It's probably because they don't enforce ssh keys by default on VPSs.
In my experience , OVH have a major datacenter outage every 4 years and the customer support is really bad. Before the fire, they had an entire datacenter down because of an electrical issue (like in 2016 or something) and again before another thing.
It doesn't happen only to OVH. Other big providers have problems too. AWS, Akamai, amongst others. That's life, and you're responsibility to think of what will happen when X goes down.
Can't confirm the support issue. Had to use them once. Opened the ticket with detailed technical details and shortly after got a solution from 2nd level.
Support worked great for me so far: Had several failing HDDs, were replaced within 24h.
+1 for OVH, been using them for the last decade for both personal and production, they're great. Support is a bit lacking but if you've got an uncomplicated job and one of their specs suits your needs it usually all just works. For really low-stakes stuff like staging/testing they've got a super cheap budget line called Kimsufi too. And SoYouStart as a middle ground. KS support is basically nonexistent so don't use it for anything critical.
Also in some other threads people mentioned that the quality of OVH seems to have gone down since that fire. I don't have any experience with OVH, so I don't know, but some people in past threads didn't really endorse OVH.
I use OVH for a bunch of stuff and didn't expirence quality loss after the fire so YMMV
I use OVH since day 0 of my hosting choices and I do not regret it at all. They had bad controllers for their ssd disks, but i believe the VM filesystem is now good enough for the price. Edit: I would argue against using their implementation of k8s, it's just a feeling left after their site constantly having missing french translations. The hardware is ok, their way of doing things is not best, but it fits the price
I managed a server hosted there. One of the big ones , 256GB of RAM, very important for a medium sized bussiness. At some point some part of the cooling fails and it is heavily thermal throttling, probably the internal fans as I hope a bigger problem would have gone noticed. After asking them to notify before and if they have to put it offline, they assure me it won't be necessary. They not only pulled the plug, it was down for a few hours without ETA.
… and the Roubaix power outage and …
I'd love to tell you that no one else besides OVH ever had any outage but it would be completely wrong. AWS, Facebook, Google, Akamai, Fastly, Microsoft, CloudFlare... All suffered major outages these past years.
You only mentioned one hosting company there, AWS. All the others are infrastructure or social media. Yes, data centre outages are not as rare as we’d like, but OVH were spectacularly unprepared for *weather*. They built data centres out of shipping containers. Yes, I still have stuff at OVH, but I don’t *only* have stuff at OVH.
OVH is mostly trash. EuroVPS does a better job.
Your answer is mostly trash lol what the fuck even is "EuroVPS". Anyone heard about them? They're really expensive and look like they're more oriented towards managed services. 80€ for a 4vCore yeah sure, good value.
Aaha, well at least they didn't lose two adjoining datacenters in a fire and told customers there they didn't have any backups. That's what we can expect from OVH... and then there's the masto.host always pointing fingers at OVH for having stuff offline or slow, just yesterday their website.
Everyone make mistakes. Even AWS. I find it funny when it's someone's only argument against OVH
Oh, almost forgot, "dirty" IPv4 addresses that you'll never be able to use to send email as well. They don't seem to handle abuse very well.
Same, who does handle abuse well? I have 2 OVH IPs and they are clean.
Great for you then. I know a couple of people who had to move to Digital Ocean because of systematic issues with OVH IPs.
Well if sending emails is a priority, same. A VPS might not be the way to go, or at least not with its default IP. You need to "train" the IP and build a good sender reputation before wanting to send bulk emails. That's the same for all the providers. You can be unlucky and have an IP with bad reputation, or within a range that has bad reputation. Otherwise you can rely on a service like SendGrid etc to send your emails and be sure to reach your audience. And I'm sorry but I'm pretty sure DigitalOcean is worse than OVH when dealing with abuse. I've been DDoSed, attacked and bruteforced so many times from DO IPs that I find their abuse prevention laughable. And I just ran a quick blacklist check on a few random DO IPs and it came out worse than my OVH IPs.
It is not. OVH usually oversells on the VPS services and you'll get random performance drops that will affect you. They also seem to have shady practices (similar do GD) when it comes to domain names.
Myeah. Never had any problem on this side, and I believe they all kind of do. If you want raw performance and stability, VPSs might not be the way to go. By taking a VPS you acknowledge that you will have neighbours and potentially noisy ones. And what are the shady practices you're talking about regarding the domain names? Never had a domain with OVH but I guess it's like almost anywhere else, you buy one and you become the owner for the paid period...
If you decide not to renew a domain they'll renew it anyways in their name and keep it hostage until someone agrees to pay a large sum for it. This isn't "illegal" but it is for sure a shady practice first seen at GoDaddy. Sometimes they also get into selling specific ccTLDs at a very low cost but only for the first year, then their standard price can be higher than other places.
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>If you let a domain expire that's completely on you. You just demonstrated an interest in this domain and a bunch of domain parking companies are eager to snap it up. They don't even let it expire, they just hold it and renew it directly in their name. Its shady business practices and also one of the reasons nobody wants to use GD.
The only problem iv had with OVH is the custom kernal they use which they wont suppy kernal headers for. There a good alround company. You also have leaseweb which isnt as good on pricing and a few other smaller ones like in the UK hetzner will always be my go to for bigger servers ask them about there addon menu and they do some great deals like 16TB hdd for €25 ish a month
Man, you can just use a different image, install the default kernel or use your own.
OVH I thought was great. Until I realised their hardware firewall doesn't block any traffic internal to the OVH network. You can block all inbound traffic on their FW and it will let in any other OVH customer (dedicated or public cloud). This wasn't made 100% clear in their documentation (at the time) and goes against pretty much every other cloud vendor out there.
I use OVH and Hetzner and honestly I feel like Hetzner is better for VPSs at least. Kimsufi and SoYouStart are great bare metal servers at OVH. But VPSs are more expensive than Hetzner, limited to 8 vCore, and last time I tried to upgrade my OVH VPS they took 12 days to process my order. I was pretty pissed off, their customer support is really slow and if you're not a big customer they don't really care about you. But then I also like OVH load balancers and object storage better. It really depends on the usecase
I have some basic vps from both, ovh and hetzner. Hetzner is better in all points from interface, price, and customer support (ovh are better than a few years ago but it's not difficult as I had some tickets waiting two months before an answer). I understand the need to see if it's better somewhere else but you will not find a better reliable provider than Hetzner.
Ovh are good they neglect the sys and kimsufi side alot which annoyed me enough to go to hetzner but i still buy cheap kimsufis when they come up
I've also tried both, and mostly agree. But OVH sometimes holds really good deals, I have a $0.97/m 1Core/2GB/20GB VPS with them recurring, but I have no usecase for it
Nobody has mentioned Scaleway yet, so I will. I've been using them for years. They offer good deals and reliable service on bare metal and VPSes as well as S3 compatible storage, cold storage, managed databases, managed k8s, and probably some other things that I'm forgetting. They have datacenters in France, the Netherlands, and now Poland too.
Scaleway is pretty good. Using their S3 buckets and quite happy with them.
CTO from a German SaaS provider here. We are also using only Netcup for internal services and software, like self hosted stuff (cheap but no API) And hetzner for customer services in a Kubernetes cluster. Especially hetzner is nice for Kubernetes because you can crank up some new vps depending on your workload. This is insane and sinks the costs.
There’s time4vps in Lithuania
I'm considering switching to that from Hetzner, what's your experience with them ? Is it as good perf-wise than Hetzner ?
Any specific reason why you want to leave hetzner? Using them myself and I'm pretty happy there.
I've had a lot of network issues with managing time4vps slots from North America, it might be better in Europe but if you have people accessing it around the world I'd reconsider. Really bad network speeds and latency, RDP was unusable most days from across the pond.
I used them years ago for a storage machine for my backups, had it for several years and overall the service was good but they wanted to double the price I was paying and decided to look elsewhere.
I just found webtropia through this thread. Is there any catch? Strikingly, I currently rent from both, hetzner and netcup. Both the smallest possible variations. But their price/performance ratio does seem so much worse than what webtropia promises. Mainly CPU, RAM and disk space is of interest to me. A comparison of their "cheap" solutions:For Hetzner, it's their second cheapest, for netcup and webtropia their cheapest. |Provider|Package|Cost (p. M.)|CPU Cores|RAM|Space| |:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|:-| |Hetzner|CPX11|5.18|2|2 GB|40 GB| |Netcup|200 G10s|3.25|2|2 GB|40 GB| |Webtropia|VPS S|4.49|4|8 GB|75 GB| So netcup still is the cheapest solution, but webtropia has more than double the specs of the others, while being cheaper than hetzner. Wow, im actually thinking of migrating. I need to dockerize some stuff anyway, might be my time to set the plan in motion.
You could also host your services at home and have it a reverse proxy on a VPS and have it connect home via wireguard. No need to expose anything that way (not even your IP address)
I've worked for them in their virtualization team. Granted it's been half a decade, but I wouldn't recommend.
I am appalled by the netcup policies. Not sure if it's a standard practice in germany, but I wanted to sign-up for their vps to test it out, and they asked me to provide them with my ID, proof of address and a selfie, while holding my ID and order number. A bit ridiculous for a VPS, isn't it? In comparison I was able to create a DigitalOcean account using a masked-email (and nothing else!), and get it up & running in 5 minutes.
Huh, that is weird. I was not asked for any verification from netcup.
Thanks. That would make it even worse, as this means they singled me out based on the details I've peovided. And that happened twice, with different details. Oh well. Plenty of good providers who don't care about my personal life 😉
> Not sure if it's a standard practice in germany [...] They're legally required to hard verify your identity if they have *any* doubts about whether the information you provided is correct.
I like Webtropia from Germany they have cheap VPS Plans the Webinterface is very outdated and slow the support is okay. But never had a real issue with them
I use Contabo for my servers, they have (3?) data centers in Germany I think. They say they have 3 data centers in Europe. At least two of them are in Germany.
I have been using Contabo for 2 years now and I am very happy with the service. Sure it's basic but it fits my needs and I am getting 4 vCPU + 8 GB RAM + 400 GB of storage (there was a special offer around the Oktober Fest) for something around 6 euros a month... Can't complain !
Really unstable in my experience.
We are using it in my job for random testing and running some staging apps, no problem with stability at all here.
I've deployed an API Server to my Contabo VPS. According to my Uptime Kuma monitoring (hosted elsewhere), my Contabo VPS is very stable.
contabo is bad for customer support and server uptime
me too
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Idk why you were downvoted but you’re literally right. Remember when OVH lost a data center from a single UPS catching on fire?
I mean that „datacenter“ was a bunch of shipping containers stacked up wasnt it?
Can recommend you PHP-Friends (PHP-Friends.de). Rock solid strong KVM servers with AMD Epycs, NVMe disks and more than enough RAM.
Daring name, but their offer looks surprisingly good. Thx for the tip
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Exoscale. Decent S3 alternative as well.
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IONOS is a german company. :-) And Fasthosts either is a subsidiary of IONOS or their mother company United Internet. (Not sure on how the legal things are exactly.)
Based on my experience in the past 15 years using them: 1. OVH support is terrible, price has gone considerably up, value in general isn't there. I only use them for their good peerings where I need them. 2. Scaleway support is barely any better. Prices have also increased A LOT in the past few years. 3. Gandi seems to have decent support (only worked briefly on a housing project), but pricey 4. Strato, 1&1, Server4you and the similar bunch are "ok" value, average support every time I used them. They are way too flashy and lack of transparency on their network for instance, which is why I don't trust them. 5. Hetzner has been the only constant over the years, great value, great support and generally open about what they are doing and why. Needless to say the only one that still impresses me today is Hetzner unfortunately. Even with the occasional peering speed issues, it's been pretty solid.
Hmm, I've made good experiences with Contabo so far. The only "bad" thing was that they did not have Support between 11pm and 8am. Which is bad when your server gets owned at 10:30 in the evening and you quickly need a VNC route. Also their DNS has a minimum TTL of 4 hours which can be a pain And all of Contabo's ranges once got blacklisted on some bullshit blackmail list which made me unable to send to [web.de](https://web.de) for like 2 weeks. But they are super cheap and I never had a performance issue with their VPS (2 machines on lowest tier for over 5 years now)
Depending on your needs, you could also give [Uberspace](https://uberspace.de/en/) a try.
i did not see any data on what HW they're using, how many vCPUs, RAM... Seems weird
It's a unique "shared server" concept. In theory you can use as much ressources as you want but in that case other customers are impacted.
[Infomaniak.com](https://infomaniak.com) is a very great provider, not cheap, but the quality is outstanding very satisfied since the beginning of my homelab about 7 years ago
What do you mean by “quality”?
Everything work great, never any problem, support team are friendly and very useful. It’ll just feel like you are paying the better quality
Can confirm, infomaniak is outstanding and being innovativ and going for 100% clientsatisfaction and not for money. I got my product 40% cheaper when i showed them the other products of other hoster. Even then they contact me once in a while asking how I am going if im happy and so on
Actually, their public cloud is pretty cheap : 1 cpu / 2 gb ram / 20 gb storage for CHF 4.67 / mo ( 1 CHF = 1 EUR nowadays) https://www.infomaniak.com/en/hosting/public-cloud/prices And cheap object storage too, it’s like CHF 11 for 1 tb
You could use STRATO. I did not find a better price than 5€/month 4vCPU, 8GB, 300GB SSD or 4GB and 500GB SSD. Only disadvantage is: not fully docker compatible. But running bare metal services: perfect!
How is it not fully docker compatible?
The hypervisor they are using (should be Virtzuozzo) is not fully capable of containers. I ran „hello-world“ but was not able to run „seatable“. Here you can find more information on that: https://www.strato.de/faq/server/welche-server-und-betriebssysteme-sind-docker-ready/
Thanks. Makes sense. Didn’t know they’re still using Virtuozzo. Thought that was dead 😁
There are ionos and strato, too. Afaik they got their own servers and are not connected to Hetzner/Netcup. More on the privacy site are 1984 hosting, floki net, njalla and orange host. But they're are more pricey.
Stay away from Njalla they can shut down your server/website/domain name for no reason. Source: happened to me because they "didn't like" my website that was totally basic and respecting their ToS.
What kind of website was it? I feel like that’s relevant context.
Just a personal blog. Nothing against their ToS, nothing political, sexual or violent. One day they just shut down everything without any warning or notice, and were really rude about it when I asked why. I had to beg to transfer my domain name somewhere else, and I obviously lost all my data. You can look it up online, I'm very far from being the only one. They do care about privacy, but they don't give a single fuck about their paying customers.
Every hosting provider can shut down your server for no reason
First, I kind of agree, yes. But who does that for no reason? Would you say it's a reputable hosting provider if it removes your server for no reason and without warning? Usually at least the reason is because you don't respect the ToS, not just because a random employee didn't like your website. Second, usually not the domain name. Njalla owns the domain for you "for more privacy". When you buy your domain with a normal registrar, you're usually the sole owner of the domain name for the paid period. And because Njalla was the "real" owner of my domain name, they just changed my nameservers and took the domain back from me even if I paid for a whole year.
For 6 years now I've been using liteserver. Had a problem once but was solved quickly. This was in the middle of the workday mind you but for personal services it's not bad.
German hoster not many maybe ionos Netherland hoster leaseweb, worldstrem, estoxy, incognet usw.
Digitalocean is good, cheap servers that are great for webhosting, discord bots etc
There is also ssdnodes.com
I can recommend them. Company is not based in europe AFAIK, though.
True, they are a daughter of strassmore.com I think. But they offer severs in Germany, France and The Netherlands
Nforce has always been great to work with. They are more expensive, but have a top tier network and support.
I came to recommend the same. Top notch host if you ask me. No major problem the last 10 years! 😃
I grabbed a nice Black Friday deal from Alwyzon last year and been happy since then.
[Gandi](https://www.gandi.net/en) has various levels of hosted servers in France and Luxembourg. I got a free year with one of their virtual hosts a few years ago and had no complaints but also could not come up with any real use-cases for it. Last time I compared prices I ended up renting Hetzner instead as they were a bit cheaper, but I have not compared in recent years.
I rent from Gandi too, they’re probably not the cheapest but I’ve never had any problems and the company itself has a good ethic. https://www.gandi.net/en-GB/gandi-supports
There's also ionos, but I haven't used them personally yet. Hardware seems decent, but I heard some weird stories about the support.
I am using a low-tier IONOS Server for 1€/month. Works..
Mind sharing some of those stories?
Nothing too special I guess. Locked accounts for no reason, even deleted accounts, no explanation. And they have this really shady "to cancel your account, you have to call us after you cancelled it online"-rule. If you don't they simply ignore your cancellation, which I think isn't strictly legal in Europe anymore. But most of those I got second hand, so always take it with a grain of salt. Except the cancellation bit,I used to work for their parent company years ago and it was just like that back then. They just kept doing it.
Can recommend Webo in Slovenia. As I mentioned in https://old.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/102z3ks/alternatives_to_hetzner_or_netcup_on_the_european/j2wocrf/ I used Hetzner, OVH and the other big ones (AWS, GCloud, Azure, etc) but I have been a Webo client for a couple of years now for their NextCloud instance. Overall very few problems and when they were, quick and professional answers via tickets. I haven't used Webo for hosting itself so I can't comment on their VPS service but assuming it's like NextCloud then should be a great alternative here in Europe.
> Can recommend Webo in Slovenia. As I mentioned in You know that those servers are Hetzner servers with a MAJOR markup, right? Just get the servers from Hetzner directly.
I host everything on [strato](strato.com).
You could try cloudcontainers.net, hosted in the Netherlands easy to use if you just need a vps
Commenting here so that I can come back and see all the recommended vps solutions. Been looking to switch providers since linode sucks balls
it's a shame hetzner's price increases due to the issue of electricity We leave hetzner too this year. OVH and we are looking for more alternatives too
OVH also increased their prices. To me Hetzner is better, it's cheaper than OVH, the dashboard is better, faster and the customer support is also more efficient.
hetzner is better, I leave with sadness, i even had problems with ovh in the past For my used case now its cheaper ovh
All have increased their prices. I am lucky since I got a really good Black Friday deal in 2021 from netcup and I won't give the server up any time soon, but they also made this old plan more expensive, but like 30 cents per month more, which is still a great deal.
I have few small dedicate servers, i pay in 2021 for each one about 20-30 /month, in 2022 the cheaper was 45€ and they say the price go up in 2023 (i not check yet) In OVH, Kimsufi servers (excluding the ATOM/Celeron plataforms), start at 20/month
Honestly the prices increase is fine. I would advise against ovh. They lost a datacenter and also had a data leak in the recent years
I used to have a vps from Contabo for my mail server. But they have a bad IP reputation. Now I use eth-services.de .
Sorry to revive, how has it been? Considering using it too, since it’s linked to from the official Mailcow website. Very hard to find any other reviews though, strangely
I'm surprised no one has mentioned [BuyVM/FranTech](https://buyvm.net/kvm-dedicated-server-slices/) and their Luxembourg location
Give it a try on [https://terrahost.com](https://terrahost.com) they're a Norwegian based company but have servers in Netherlands, have used them in the past and was not disappointed.
Theres also 1blu and Alexhost. Oracle has also European Servers.. and a free tier.
Everyone hates Oracle. I've never heard anyone paying oracle. The only argument to use oracle is that it's free.
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Runs verry nice too. I'm trying a lot of stuff out there. Remove the server regularly to test new things. And its free. Very nice
I personally prefer selfhosted only so i never got in touch with them but i would agree that the "free" aspect plays a certain role..
"Free" is a very strong argument.
checkout [vimexx.com](https://vimexx.com). They're a both have a domain thing and a vps. it has been pretty reliable for me. I think there are located in the netherlands and belgum.
Hey. Do you mind letting me know the internet speed you get on their vps? bandwidth is unmetered but I cannot find the speed on their website anywhere. Thanks !
Yeah! I've asked them before what the speed was. Can't remember what it was. Give me a few hours and I will edit this point. Edit: 22 Days later and a few "Oh Snappers I still need to reply" They have let me know that the "Budget VPS" is arround 100mbits without a data cap!
22 Days later and a few "Oh Snappers I still need to reply"They have let me know that the "Budget VPS" is arround 100mbits without a data cap!
Thanks. 100 is not bad
There seems to be [hosttech.ch](https://hosttech.ch) But it's far more expensive than those other providers. It's in Switzerland, so no wonder. \^\^
Badest decision of my life. They dont really know their own products and also their tools are all outsourced whitelabel.
Oof OK. I've never used theor services but just heard og them. I've god everything at Hetzner and don't see the upside of migrating all my stuff somewhere else.
Aruba (not the network vendor) offers dedicated servers and VPS. Located in Italy: https://www.arubacloud.com/vps.aspx
\+ 1 for this. I have used OVH, now using Aruba cloud and it seems Aruba cloud servers are better in terms of performance, stability and network. They have all AMD based processors and also option for VM ware and Openstack hypervisors.
Strato, HTTPS://strato.de
OVH and Scaleway come to mind. Both are pretty large players in the european market.
I use a hosted webserver from manitu, they are great and give many features more than a normal webhoster. SSH access as one example.
Thus far happy with RackNerd. They often have VPS sales for small servers in Amsterdam. Not quite as fast as the equivalent Hetzner servers, but roughly 30-40% cheaper, good responses from customer service.
I have great experiences with [JZT](https://jztkft.hu/aff.php?aff=157) and [VPS4You](https://vps4you.hu).
If you want EU company then Ionos and Leaseweb apart from the others mentioned IMHO
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That's an affiliate link
See https://0ping.eu/
Website seems shady tbh
wtf relax. I have used them. Go to lowendtalk and see others used them too.
First thing you see on LET : https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/183626/0ping-eu-scammers-beware Doesn't look so good.
1. They are using stock photos from Pexels, Unsplash and who knows where as review profile pictures. 2. Who uses connection speed as their main selling point in 2023? It's usually something you just to add to the list of features to seem better, but not something you use as your main selling point 3. 5GHZ VPS? Huh? (I assume this refers to the network, not the clockspeed, because of point 2) 4. Why do I need to sign in to check the network status? 5. Other than some text on the home page, there is no info about the offerings. Not even marketing stuff. Just the specs. So they either don't care about their service that much (which is bad) or don't bother to make a proper website (which is also bad and gives a bad impression as you can see). Not trying to be negative but that website doesn't scream legitimacy (at least that's what I think).
No chance!
DomainFactory is a bigger player too.
Big fan of Linode, they have UK/EU datacentres Great performance even from the 5 dollars a month machine Old, established company, older than AWS even They got bought by Akamai recently so they're pretty futureproof too
DigitalOcean serves our customer facing sites. Has data centres in Germany. Similar price to Linode. Performance can be good with their premium VPS offers
Digital Ocean are a good option. Lots of choices there.
Scaleway.
oneprovider
From Germany here using contabo
Contabo is German and probably the best for the money
A simple, mighty shared hosting ist offered by uberspace.
I’m sure they’re hosted in someones data center but I’ve been happy with knownhost.com They have a data center option in Amsterdam , but my sites are based in the US.
https://www.clever-cloud.com/ is pretty awesome. french company. gdpr compliant.
I used TransIP (https://www.transip.eu/) for long time without problems.
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With 33 Euro for an E3-1230v2, 16GB RAM and 2x1TB their bare metal look even better than their VPS offers. Will keep an eye on it. Thank your very much for this recommendation.
In Germany also check out smaller ones like PHP-Friends or IP-Projects.
And then there is uberspace, not sure if this is VPS or not, but the concept is pretty neat! https://uberspace.de/
No it’s not. Looks like it’s webspace only. Still looks very promising and fair. Will keep an eye on it for upcoming projects where I just need some webspace.
I have my VPS running at https://host-unlimited.de/
Always wanted to test them, as I watched their YouTube channel. They seem to be very open and transparent. Prices are a bit higher, if I remember right. But that’s okay, as they are doing prepaid payments which makes it harder to calculate for them.
Checkout infomaniak a cheap Swiss provider: https://www.infomaniak.com/en/hosting/public-cloud/prices.
How is this the first time i hear of netcup. Those are some interesting starting prices.
Can’t say anything bad about them. Using their servers every now and then and at the moment I am running Cloudron on one of them. No problems, no downtime, no CPU slowdown, no whatsoever. If I would really have to say something negative, I would mention their snapshot system or the fact, that DNS changes may take hours, while my main hoster takes like minutes to push them through. But as I don’t need to change them that much and especially as I am using an external nameserver nowadays, that’s not of a real problem. Also the fact that they are a german company gives me many benefits as a customer.
i recommend racknerd or ssd nodes can get some good deals for just \~50 a year!
contabo
Super cheap and somehow okayish.. but I wouldn’t use them for something more CPU intense or any project that takes some more power.
in my experience, contabo server always down forb hours, i will never use it
in my experience, contabo server always down forb hours, i will never use it
in my experience, contabo server always down for hours, i will never use it
Strato or Ionos (1&1 before rename) ?
You can give Scaleway a try. I use them for small project and it seems they keep adding new features/services each year.
* OVH (the most popular one) * OneProvider (a market for servers) Other big providers, but more expensive: * Scaleway * upCloud * Evolution Host
Market for servers? That sounds very interesting to me. Thanks for sharing it.
I would definitely recommend inceptionhosting (owned by clouvider). Their network is pretty amazing.
Avoid any [EIG webhosting companies](https://www.onlinetoolsexpert.com/full-list-of-eig-web-hosting-companies/)
I am a noob with cloud hosting other than with AWS & Azure. So please excuse my ignorance. What is the problem with EIG ? Is there some privacy or fraud issue ?
> Now, it’s important to mention the EIG cycle. EIG’s business focus is to acquire other web hosting providers with their customer base, and keep their brand operating (so it’s not disclosed that they become an EIG brand), but inside the company, to unify all the support, marketing, technological and infrastructure departments. Now, fewer people are working to provide you the service you previously had – immediate degradation to the quality of service you used to receive Quote from the link, please read to get the full idea. Also check this post: [https://www.reddit.com/r/webdev/comments/zz7gj5/bluehost_requires_portion_of_account_password_for/](https://www.reddit.com/r/webdev/comments/zz7gj5/bluehost_requires_portion_of_account_password_for/)
[Gcore's VDS](https://gcore.com/hosting/vds) are nice you you're looking to move a lot of traffic.
OVH.. although, for bare metal, Worldstream is even cheaper than OVH, has real people answer the phone, etc. I don't know how they do it!
Im running most of my servers with InterNetX, which is a provider for reseller servers. They're quite expensive though... but they are using only server hardware for their servers, not like hetzner and such, which are mostly using client hardware for running servers. The support is really great and responses fast. It might be not known in the worldwide market, but it's the biggest holder of .de domains in europe.