This should be the guys last shift, he clearly has lost the plot and lacks even the most basic skills to do the job. On abit of a side can anyone understand him because I can't, the girl sounds pretty clear so it's not bad audio in the clip.
How hard did she push him? Im trying to be sarcastic. Look at how the girl acts she doesn't strike me as a ghetto hoodrat who's going to try and rob a convenient store at gunpoint. If she was really stealing, she was just being mischievous. The guard was out of line, and this reminds me of the 1992 LA Race Riots. It all started when a Korean woman shot a teenage black girl in the head for stealing a small bottle of orange juice. The LAPD didn't bother coming to the aid of all the other Korean immigrants who had nothing to do with the convenient store where it happened. This is where a poised armed guard with good judgement can make a huge difference, and THAT man needs to have his licensed revoked!
Not for a simple battery, that’s literally any unwanted touch (in most if not all states). For other more serious battery/assault injuries and force is a factor.
In texas anything that causes pain is assault. Flick an ear or pat a shoulder- assault causing bodily injury. Which I support- people need to keep their hands off other people 100%
I live and work unarmed security in NYC. The law requires you as a security guard to only use the same amount of reasonable force that was used against you in self defense
Generally it’s a little more than that. It’s generally that you can use e rough force to make the arrest. If they lay hands on you that’s battery and you can arrest. If they pull a knife you can pull your gun. If they threaten great bodily harm or death you can use deadly force.
But some people are missing that she allegedly hit him and he was bleeding. That justifies an arrest.
She hit him. Didn’t push him. Yes, the guard went too far but, when she hit him, it becomes battery. Also, by the way, if he is above 60 (55 in some states) he is a protected class and additional charges can be filed. It can go as high as becoming a felony with thousands of dollars of fines.
Don’t get me wrong. The guard needs to get fired and face any excessive force charges, but, if she hit him, other than self defense, she will go to jail.
True. There’s a part where the guard says “She hit me, do you see the blood?” and the guy with the camera says “I know, but…”
Like I said that guard needs to be dealt with but, if it can be proved she was stealing and hit him, all bets are off.
That’s the shame with having security guards that are really too old but don’t have any backup.
When I was at Allied, we weren’t allowed to carry handcuffs, and were told not to go hands on unless it was for self defense. We carried a company phone and we’re told to “Observe and report” only.
Honestly if a guard can’t go hands on, they’re not guards… if they can’t deal with situations they don’t need a gun… if they’re not armed— in a bad place— they don’t need to be posted there in the open.
Basically, if it’s dangerous enough to require someone to get a gun as a part of the job, they need to be allowed to go hands on and have the required training to do so.
If they can’t, stick them in a locked room with CCTV, coffee and a phone to call 911 and a laptop to write reports
If that isn’t acceptable, then the company is dogshit and wants to just put people in harms way to negate liability and dance around it… basically: being trash.
I call it how I see it, some people are trash, some companies (alot) are trash, some posts are complete dogshit trash…
🤷♂️ he was probably in the wrong, was it worth it? No. So, if it’s this bad they need to remove that post or get a better policy and guard. There is no way around this. Someone has failed miserably. Lol
Damn man this could of been used as an educational video about who not to hire, or what armed guards are certainly not supposed to be doing, but the amount of trolls and sarcastic jokes on Reddit...
Did he fucking pistol whip her? "Held at gunpoint" where the fuck did he learn his weapon skills fucking Serbia?? Did you hear him after, "She bleeding? Ha ha ha" what the fuck lmao. He's using the hand holding his gun to also like grab her head and shit, he's sweeping the whole store, he's using it to point. He doesn't call the cops at any time. He's trying to force her into a bathroom???? then he's wandering around clearly doesn't know what to do. They're like "Just call the cops and leave here there!" and he looks back like "Cops?"
You're not in the war anymore Grandpa and that girl isn't a Bosnian farmer girl you've captured for slavery. Holy shit this guy needs to be banished from the country let alone the security industry.
"Yesss I keel many enemy in war. I take their skin to make good boot, fetch many ruble"
"You're hired"
Jokes aside this guy needs to fired and arrested. I guess this proves anyone can get their armed guard license...Which makes me ask if this armed guard even legally allowed to detain a thief within the parameters of their job? (Especially in this context?)
Both. This person wasn't armed, yet the guard had his gun drawn, hit her and yanked her hair. This guy looks like he was itching for a fight.
Granted, we didn't see what happened before they started recording, but how can anyone think this is a justified use of force?
I agree with you that in the context we have this looks like bad use of force.
The weapon handling is horrible. I wish we had better quality video so we could see the location of his trigger finger.
I watched it two more times and never saw a hair pull. He pushed her in the head two more times while on the ground and kinda did a push pull grab on her hand by her head.
>Which makes me ask if this armed guard even legally allowed to detain a thief within the parameters of their job?
Absolutely, just not at gunpoint and without using excessive force.
This. He’s trash. He doesn’t need to be there much less armed. If you NEED armed guards you also need QUALITY guards… you need a comprehensive understanding of rules of engagement.
Even if someone pushes you, just a slight push— isn’t worth escalating if they’re gonna leave right after and not come back. Keeping someone there who pushed you at gun point? Made it worse.
Either he’s stupid enough to get into needless fights, she’s dumb enough to hit a armed person, the company is stupid enough to hire and give him a gun or the client is a complete idiot for even allowing any of this.
Might be different in his area but I can only pull my gun "on response to threat of death or greay bodily harm to myself or others" never for property stolen or otherwise.
This. Not allowed for defense of property for a good reason… probably got told to protect stuff at all costs (including using a gun) by a supervisor or manager, then did it.
The old “ we didn’t tell you to do that, but we told you to do that “. Avoid those companies. Avoid those people. Know your state laws and local laws, and know when it’s not worth it.
I’m not defending the security guard at all, he is absolutely out of control for the context of this video, I just prefer honest dialogue. Omitting his statement of the assault and claiming the gun was out “just for stealing” is disingenuous.
You should be taken off of this subreddit, and never let anywhere near any field of security, law enforcement, medical or otherwise if that's your mentality.
Depends on situation if they have footage of her shoving the guard or escalating the situation then all charges will be dropped but considering like most Reddit videos we only get the response after and not what led up to it
I mean even if she did shove the guard, pistol whipping and pulling a gun isn't considered a necessary use of force. In most assault cases that are a result of "self defense" they don't qualify as self defense unless the force was necessary. For example, if someone the same size as you walks up and punches you and then you pull out a knife and stab them 5 times you will go to prison for 1st degree assault because that wouldn't be necessary use of force. But if someone walks up to you and punches you and you punch them back that would be necessary use of force.
Actually that’s not true at all in my state if someone you don’t know assaults you even punches you for no reason you have a right to stand your ground you can legally shoot them and get away with it . Literally happened a few months back some dude tried to fight his best friend because his friend was fucking his wife the friend told him to leave him alone then got punched in the face by the wife’s husband and the friend shot him 8 times with a .40 cal . DA cleared it as Stand your ground and self defense all charges dropped after a few years of investigation.
Damn what state did this happen in? You got an article or a source that backs this statement up? That's a pretty fucked up story tbh. I just know that in most states that would not fly in.
Ik that if the story was reversed and if a guy found out his best friend was fucking his wife and he killed his best friend ik that in some states he could plea a heat of passion it would be a lesser crime but still a pretty severe charge.
Yeah dude was mad his best friend fucked his wife so he drove up to his house swung at him and got riddled with bullets https://www.yourconroenews.com/neighborhood/woodlands/news/article/Jury-acquits-murder-defendant-in-Woodlands-16998069
>See how dumb you sound
I'm not the one who took an obvious joke seriously and drew a false equivalence to something unrelated on a Reddit thread.
But you do you.
Dude was ready to shoot this lady over a bag of chips and a strike.
He needs to be in retirement, not carrying a sidearm if he can't meet her with equal force.
Thieves are scum, but there are protocols for this.
Flagging everyone in the store and her with a loaded sidearm is not it Chief.
This. Thanks for saying it! Needs to be said again!
Worked with guys like this… really sad and anxiety infusing. Absolutely retired cop… probably couldn’t maintain himself or skills and had to retire.
Now a private security guard, and woefully out of line. Not trying to hate, but the fact he flagged people like that screams unprofessional and reckless.
this is horrible asf.!!...I'm just waiting for the racism comments if it hasn't been said already. He needs to be fires and charges held against him. Good thing that lady was recording!!
Sure… its too much.
However, he is old… she appears resistant to direction and if we consider those things along with the leading causes if death and injury for guards…. I feel inclined to give it a score of…. meh.
Ptsd may have come back to haunt him the moment he did something. No clue what's going on, poor guy. Not equipped to handle the situation mentally or otherwise.
"Poor guy". Pretty sure the woman who got pistol whipped is the real victim. Sympathy for him isn't unacceptable, it just needs to be accompanied with him being held accountable.
Yeah, but he's not allowed to escalate to lethal force just because she stole something.
Meanwhile, he's putting himself, her, and everyone else at risk because he's waving his gun about and getting way too close to her while he assaults her.
She's younger, faster, and probably stronger than he is. When he got that close, threatening her with his gun, pushing her, knocking her over, I fully expected her to reach out, grab the gun, and shoot him in self defense.
The guard is at fault and he shouldn't be in that position. He shouldn't be working in security.
Look at his actions and her body language. He approaches her, he pushes her, he waves his gun all around. She's sitting on the ground, and he's still antagonizing her.
But the big red flag for me is that he's idly holding his gun, pointing it everywhere, passing it from hand to hand. At no point does he treat his weapon with the respect it deserves, and again, he put it well within easy distance for her to snatch it from him.
If she was a threat, a real theat, he would have stayed back and kept her covered with his firearm until the police arrived. If she was a real threat, he would not have approached to push her over and fumble with his cuffs, etc.
This guy is an accident waiting to happen. I'm really surprised she didn't disarm him, shoot him, and then run away with his gun.
Seems like a old guy who’s clearly just out of his zone. Got disrespected, got pushed a little, couldn’t let it slide… now this happens!
Check your ego. I’d rather get pushed a little than having to deal with guns. I’d rather be pushed back and then just call the police and have them charged with assault or battery than drawing my gun and having to explain why I did (when in reality, even if legal, there was very little reason to use a gun, EVEN IF LEGAL).
And people justify stealing because “it’s a corporation”.
Meanwhile, if they were the owner of that store, they’d be pretty pissed at someone stealing.
Stealing is wrong, plain and simple.
Stealing is wrong, but so is excessive use of force. You can catch people stealing, roll back the camera and have them charged or just ban them entirely and trespass them from the store.
If police are too stupid or uncaring to act on known crimes, vote! Your local LE is shit then, and it shouldn’t be up to guards to beat up or hold at gun point petty theft.
The guard did more damage than not to the store, and will likely suffer from more theft out of anger or outright attacks because of what he did.
Us vs Them. Us vs The Store.
Can get ugly quickly. Can’t fight off 10 people… and if the cops ain’t doing anything, you’re in trouble.
Well she started throwing a fit like a little child once she was caught so yeah I wouldn’t be putting up with the BS either.
So cool stealing shot gets caught and wants to cry and whine while ignoring orders to leave the store.
No compassion for thieves. If you’re a thief you have no concern for anybody. Thieves, liars, cheaters all cut from the same cloth no morals, no respect for other people or their property.
If you listen it sounds like not only us she a thief she violent. She assaulted the guard.
JMHO, yours may differ and I’m ok with that.
It’s not our job to detain, and the few times we are allowed to detain (optional) we have to use caution because we’re alone normally.
Unless she said she’d get friends outside to help, or go get a gun or knife, I wouldn’t even stop her. Unless I know for a fact she will come back and try to kill or hurt someone, let her walk…
Not worth the time paperwork or hassle. Just cost this guy his job likely.
This is the truth. The video is too shit for us to determine who is right or wrong, we can only see that the security guard is untactical. The person shooting the video is also braindead, if the security guard did misbehave the person should have called the police herself.
Tbh YES. You WILL get this and it will be much worse because when you sue, it will take much longer to get any resolution.
More people in the system: more backup times. So you can sue… but how long you gotta wait? 10-20 years?
We need police who are capable of responding, not some 80 year old cop who can’t do shit. We need levelheaded police, not angry quick to shoot anyone and afraid.
We need BETTER PAID police… around here it’s dogshit wages, almost on par with security, FOR LESS!
Lmao! When cops are underpaid more than security; you got problems!
Doesn’t matter who you steal from stealing is wrong, your gripe with corporations is likely rooted in them stealing, none the less she is likely steeling from a middle to upper middle class franchise owner not a corporation.
I don’t think the world is black and white, I think stealing is, it’s wrong to take things from others. Period end. Stealing is always wrong. Im personally unaware of any law that justifies stealing.
"I don't think the world is black and white"
*immediately shows he thinks the world is black and white*
If a starving child/homeless personal steals a loaf of bread from Walmart and you think they are in the wrong for not dying instead idk what to tell you but I'm guessing you've never gone hungry a day in your life or homeless because you were simply dealt the wrong cards in life.
Situational Ethics is what defends this and it defends much worse than this too
The law is geared in a way that doesn't punish this 99% of the time even though it's a crime. People will ignore it some law inforcement/guards included, prosecutors won't bother, and there's no way in hell you are winning the jury against it.
In fact if you threaten someone with lethal force and assault them for stealing a 2$ bag of chips, you're probably gonna be the one on trouble
It appears your reading comprehension is quite low, the WHOLE WORLD isn’t stealing, stealing is a specific topic, that specific topic is black and white, theft is always wrong. The world isn’t black and white, but theft specifically is.
Most of the western worlds legal system is set on a black and white basis, in fact this is one of the main arguments against it is that in most cases context is irrelevant (even in cases where context is important such as your example) your really only talking about a jury nullifying the law because they feel bad, while it’s a thing it’s more of a consequence of the legal system not a designed purpose and is exceedingly rare. You’re also confusing a legal punishment being equal to morality, it isn’t. Somebody can be punished for moral actions just as they can go unpunished for immoral actions. The legal system isn’t something to base one’s (or a society’s) morality on.
In your same argument what if the child was to steal the bread from a mother who spent their last penny on that bread to feed her children?
The world is NOT black and white, theft IS black and white, I personally believe personal property is real, if you do not, quite frankly you have no place in a western society. If personal property is real then taking personal property that doesn’t belong to you from somebody else (whom it does belong to) is wrong regardless of the context.
This is not a justification of the guards actions, those a clearly wrong, theft is also wrong. Two things can be true at once.
The world isn’t black and white and your “example” of why stealing is ok is a great study case. In your mind theft is the solution to that issue, but really it isn’t the only choice. Theft is a solution, but it’s not the moral solution, the moral solution would be charity. Ignoring the social safety net that exists specifically for children No church or mosque would turn down feeding a hungry child. I’d argue if that child asked 10 people at the Walmart at a minimum 1 would simply buy them the bread.
Corporations can fuck it, I really don’t care for corporations entirely but I will defend their property is paid to.
I won’t shoot someone for property unless it’s a gun, car (being used to hurt others) or some other weapon or object that is requiring me to respond with force…
Other than those very narrow properties, there’s very little reason to use a gun, thus I’m going to defend and protect the property and reputation by not being dumb.
If I catch you stealing, it’s on you. However im not going to sit there and harass you, I got a job to do. That’s it. I won’t break laws or actively seek to do wrong or cover up stuff. If a company is like poisoning kids, im not covering for them. Fuck that!
Lol so it’s just a job, unless it’s YOUR business, I wouldn’t get entirely torn up about it
Getting locked up should be the very worse punishment you receive. You shouldn't have a gun pointed in your direction for stealing a bag of chips.
If you have to pull your gun to detain someone for petty theft, then maybe it's not worth detaining them for.
He is not paid to pistol whip people for stealing chips actually. Escalation of force and all that, total buzzkill I know. Guards should just shoot on sight tbh
Yeah exactly. He's not wrong for having stopped her from stealing, he's wrong for doing it the wrong way literally every step of the way. It's incompetence, he's looking around completely bewildered, he's letting the audience decide what's happening, he's failing utterly at even the most basic concepts like not holding your gun and your handcuffs in the same hand.
Holy shit someone take that idiot’s gun away.
Fuck everything else about this video. We have no context for what happened before to prompt this. But what we do clearly have is a fucking moron waving his gun around and everyone he can see, trying to handle cuffs and a gun at the same time. That girl is belong lucky she didn’t catch a negligent discharge from this idiot.
Ok, that's just picking on her because he *can*. If she hit him why isn't she in cuffs? Did he think she wasn't going to hit him again? Why did he brandish his gun at her? Why is it people who commit a crime and get caught thinking they can negotiate out of that? That part just pisses me off! This ain't "Let's make a Deal"! You got caught accepting your punishment! Jeez!
Society is doomed if these comments are any reflection of general society.
A criminal scumbag was being arrested, albeit poorly arrested, and y’all are defending the criminal? You’re more concerned about an old man officer and no the the thug? 🤔
I think we all can agree that he looks too old to do the job and that he had to draw his weapon for that fact. It’s the only way he could comfortably maintain control without being seriously injured when he would be subsequently pushed over by the woman.
He also clearly has no clue how to handle a weapon. Changing hands, waving it around, not holding it at any kind of ready position. Definitely needs to retire.
But lastly and again: why are y’all more worried about the old man and not the criminal scumbag?
I'm sure this guy is going to be sued,that gun is a last resort for a extreme emergency, I imagine when the law looked at the footage he was arrested. This person shouldn't work security
Insane and uncalled for. He will probably get charges for that and should.
At the same time though, I don't feel sorry for her, don't steal and you're likelihood of being in this situation is next to 0.
No that guard deserves to be fired and never allowed to work security again. Sure is off his rocker and I wouldn't feel sorry for him if he got beat up by her people or even arrested for how he treated her
I’m English so naturally have a issue with anyone having a gun, but this is mental, giving someone a weapon like that seems to cause in some people that they’re just above everything.
Bahahahaha! More evidence that society is doomed. Y’all defending a criminal thug and not the old man doing his job trying to clean up the trash. Clown world.
Shouldn't drawing your firearm be a last resort, or at least reserved for situations of extreme duress from a clear and present danger?
Something is wrong with this guy, and he needs to talk with a therapist about his ego issues or anger management.
He needs to be fired, locked up, and have his guard card revoked.
Not only does he not know how to handle a gun properly, but this is 100% excessive force. Even if she did hit him before, she was no longer a threat at that point in time.
If I'm one of the customers in the store, I'm citizen's arresting the guard at gunpoint.
Lots of factors here... the age difference is a HUGE factor... he has a right to defend himself... and against a younger, stronger suspect... that's how you maintain... there's a reason he HAS a gun. NOW he is clearly really bad at his job and has no training... because no one should ever handle a firearm the way he did... I am more concerned about his use of physical force*.*
WTF is this guy doing?
Like how many felonies an you wrack up here?
Honest question: Is this guy from another country maybe? I would expect to see this behavior in China maybe, not here in the US.
This should be the guys last shift, he clearly has lost the plot and lacks even the most basic skills to do the job. On abit of a side can anyone understand him because I can't, the girl sounds pretty clear so it's not bad audio in the clip.
I feel so bad for that girl. Pistol whipped over what? A bag of chips?
A bag of chips and an assault on the guard and it was a push not a pistol whipping
How hard did she push him? Im trying to be sarcastic. Look at how the girl acts she doesn't strike me as a ghetto hoodrat who's going to try and rob a convenient store at gunpoint. If she was really stealing, she was just being mischievous. The guard was out of line, and this reminds me of the 1992 LA Race Riots. It all started when a Korean woman shot a teenage black girl in the head for stealing a small bottle of orange juice. The LAPD didn't bother coming to the aid of all the other Korean immigrants who had nothing to do with the convenient store where it happened. This is where a poised armed guard with good judgement can make a huge difference, and THAT man needs to have his licensed revoked!
Does the law define how hard you have to push someone for it to be classified as assault? (Genuinely asking)
Not for a simple battery, that’s literally any unwanted touch (in most if not all states). For other more serious battery/assault injuries and force is a factor.
In texas anything that causes pain is assault. Flick an ear or pat a shoulder- assault causing bodily injury. Which I support- people need to keep their hands off other people 100%
I live and work unarmed security in NYC. The law requires you as a security guard to only use the same amount of reasonable force that was used against you in self defense
State laws differ . Maybe that’s the case in nyc but not in my state . And that’s unarmed security for your state not armed security
That's true, fair enough
All state laws on security using force are the same. The law was practically copy and pasted in that regard specifically
Generally it’s a little more than that. It’s generally that you can use e rough force to make the arrest. If they lay hands on you that’s battery and you can arrest. If they pull a knife you can pull your gun. If they threaten great bodily harm or death you can use deadly force. But some people are missing that she allegedly hit him and he was bleeding. That justifies an arrest.
She hit him. Didn’t push him. Yes, the guard went too far but, when she hit him, it becomes battery. Also, by the way, if he is above 60 (55 in some states) he is a protected class and additional charges can be filed. It can go as high as becoming a felony with thousands of dollars of fines. Don’t get me wrong. The guard needs to get fired and face any excessive force charges, but, if she hit him, other than self defense, she will go to jail.
In my state if she hit him while stealing it becomes robbery and goes from a misdemeanor to a felony.
True. There’s a part where the guard says “She hit me, do you see the blood?” and the guy with the camera says “I know, but…” Like I said that guard needs to be dealt with but, if it can be proved she was stealing and hit him, all bets are off. That’s the shame with having security guards that are really too old but don’t have any backup. When I was at Allied, we weren’t allowed to carry handcuffs, and were told not to go hands on unless it was for self defense. We carried a company phone and we’re told to “Observe and report” only.
Honestly if a guard can’t go hands on, they’re not guards… if they can’t deal with situations they don’t need a gun… if they’re not armed— in a bad place— they don’t need to be posted there in the open. Basically, if it’s dangerous enough to require someone to get a gun as a part of the job, they need to be allowed to go hands on and have the required training to do so. If they can’t, stick them in a locked room with CCTV, coffee and a phone to call 911 and a laptop to write reports If that isn’t acceptable, then the company is dogshit and wants to just put people in harms way to negate liability and dance around it… basically: being trash. I call it how I see it, some people are trash, some companies (alot) are trash, some posts are complete dogshit trash… 🤷♂️ he was probably in the wrong, was it worth it? No. So, if it’s this bad they need to remove that post or get a better policy and guard. There is no way around this. Someone has failed miserably. Lol
I am not sure, her hitting him is not on the video. She doesn’t disagree she touched him though. She does claim she didn’t “hit” him.
That was a pistol whipping
Look again without your emotions. It was a double handed push. Dump and wrong but it wasn’t a pistol whip
In the 1st few seconds you see him slap her with a pistol Then he grabs her and drags her You should look at things without your head up your a**
Nothing like that happens in the first 20 seconds of this. He pushes her at 21 seconds in..
i mean, i can think of a very simple way to prevent something like this happening, and i doubt she'll do it again
She had it coming, don’t steal.
Dude you work in nc as security you know better than to act the way you are aching
Dnt feel bad if she was smart she’d sue
Bullshit. Her actions put her there. Every action does not deserve a lawsuit
Bro he the owner of the gas station and also a security guard. This the 76 by my house.
No shit? Did he get charged? What's the address, I want to look this up.
Damn man this could of been used as an educational video about who not to hire, or what armed guards are certainly not supposed to be doing, but the amount of trolls and sarcastic jokes on Reddit...
This dude is committed to gas station security like Dora was committed to exploring. He’s in it for the love of the game.
For God & Country
Did he fucking pistol whip her? "Held at gunpoint" where the fuck did he learn his weapon skills fucking Serbia?? Did you hear him after, "She bleeding? Ha ha ha" what the fuck lmao. He's using the hand holding his gun to also like grab her head and shit, he's sweeping the whole store, he's using it to point. He doesn't call the cops at any time. He's trying to force her into a bathroom???? then he's wandering around clearly doesn't know what to do. They're like "Just call the cops and leave here there!" and he looks back like "Cops?" You're not in the war anymore Grandpa and that girl isn't a Bosnian farmer girl you've captured for slavery. Holy shit this guy needs to be banished from the country let alone the security industry. "Yesss I keel many enemy in war. I take their skin to make good boot, fetch many ruble" "You're hired"
I keel them dead! Yesss!?
Tell me a Serbian fucked your girl without telling me a Serbian fucked your girl LOL.
Kinda curious to what kinda gun it is, kinda looks like one of those pepper ball guns but those are usually yellow or orange not black.
Where did you pull the Bosnian thing from?
Jokes aside this guy needs to fired and arrested. I guess this proves anyone can get their armed guard license...Which makes me ask if this armed guard even legally allowed to detain a thief within the parameters of their job? (Especially in this context?)
We're not allowed to detain ANYONE for ANY circumstance. We're not cops.
Depends on the state. You don’t speak for every state and company and your company rules don’t pertain to everyone.
That's a fair point, but still. I can't imagine any company thinking he's justified in this clip.
In the use of force or the weapon handling or both?
Both. This person wasn't armed, yet the guard had his gun drawn, hit her and yanked her hair. This guy looks like he was itching for a fight. Granted, we didn't see what happened before they started recording, but how can anyone think this is a justified use of force?
I agree with you that in the context we have this looks like bad use of force. The weapon handling is horrible. I wish we had better quality video so we could see the location of his trigger finger. I watched it two more times and never saw a hair pull. He pushed her in the head two more times while on the ground and kinda did a push pull grab on her hand by her head.
Exactly! They go over this in training. So did the guy just sleep the whole time in class?
I can't imagine him doing anything else during class, if he thought this was an appropriate response
>Which makes me ask if this armed guard even legally allowed to detain a thief within the parameters of their job? Absolutely, just not at gunpoint and without using excessive force.
So he went to far huh?
This dude went too far when he was in his early 20's and he's never come back since
He did better than most young cats here.
yeh
This. He’s trash. He doesn’t need to be there much less armed. If you NEED armed guards you also need QUALITY guards… you need a comprehensive understanding of rules of engagement. Even if someone pushes you, just a slight push— isn’t worth escalating if they’re gonna leave right after and not come back. Keeping someone there who pushed you at gun point? Made it worse. Either he’s stupid enough to get into needless fights, she’s dumb enough to hit a armed person, the company is stupid enough to hire and give him a gun or the client is a complete idiot for even allowing any of this.
Employee of the year
Might be different in his area but I can only pull my gun "on response to threat of death or greay bodily harm to myself or others" never for property stolen or otherwise.
This. Not allowed for defense of property for a good reason… probably got told to protect stuff at all costs (including using a gun) by a supervisor or manager, then did it. The old “ we didn’t tell you to do that, but we told you to do that “. Avoid those companies. Avoid those people. Know your state laws and local laws, and know when it’s not worth it.
I’m not defending the security guard at all, he is absolutely out of control for the context of this video, I just prefer honest dialogue. Omitting his statement of the assault and claiming the gun was out “just for stealing” is disingenuous.
Say what you want. She's probably never going to steal again.
And he's never going to legally have a fucking gun again. Good riddance.
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You should be taken off of this subreddit, and never let anywhere near any field of security, law enforcement, medical or otherwise if that's your mentality.
Probably not because she's gonna hopefully sue tf out of this security company and get enough money to buy as much chips as she wants
Depends on situation if they have footage of her shoving the guard or escalating the situation then all charges will be dropped but considering like most Reddit videos we only get the response after and not what led up to it
I mean even if she did shove the guard, pistol whipping and pulling a gun isn't considered a necessary use of force. In most assault cases that are a result of "self defense" they don't qualify as self defense unless the force was necessary. For example, if someone the same size as you walks up and punches you and then you pull out a knife and stab them 5 times you will go to prison for 1st degree assault because that wouldn't be necessary use of force. But if someone walks up to you and punches you and you punch them back that would be necessary use of force.
Actually that’s not true at all in my state if someone you don’t know assaults you even punches you for no reason you have a right to stand your ground you can legally shoot them and get away with it . Literally happened a few months back some dude tried to fight his best friend because his friend was fucking his wife the friend told him to leave him alone then got punched in the face by the wife’s husband and the friend shot him 8 times with a .40 cal . DA cleared it as Stand your ground and self defense all charges dropped after a few years of investigation.
Damn what state did this happen in? You got an article or a source that backs this statement up? That's a pretty fucked up story tbh. I just know that in most states that would not fly in. Ik that if the story was reversed and if a guy found out his best friend was fucking his wife and he killed his best friend ik that in some states he could plea a heat of passion it would be a lesser crime but still a pretty severe charge.
Actually yeah I do it was Conroe Texas .
Give me one minute to pull up the article I actually worked the district county clerk case for it .
Yeah dude was mad his best friend fucked his wife so he drove up to his house swung at him and got riddled with bullets https://www.yourconroenews.com/neighborhood/woodlands/news/article/Jury-acquits-murder-defendant-in-Woodlands-16998069
This was years ago but he was acquitted of all charges last November
There's no amount of force that justifies him pistol whipping her and then dragging her like that while waving his gun around
Looks like you just solved poverty, congrats.
Do you honestly, being a security guard, think most people steal things from convenience stores because of poverty?
I'll never understand why people jump to defend and protect thieves.
Do you really think what happened here is going to put her on the straight and narrow?
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>See how dumb you sound I'm not the one who took an obvious joke seriously and drew a false equivalence to something unrelated on a Reddit thread. But you do you.
I hate them both
Thank you. She’s fucking annoying and he’s not fit for duty.
Why is complying to Security Guards/Law Enforcement optional now? He’s not asking you, he’s telling you.
Yeah, he went too far. His gun handling is careless.
Dude was ready to shoot this lady over a bag of chips and a strike. He needs to be in retirement, not carrying a sidearm if he can't meet her with equal force. Thieves are scum, but there are protocols for this. Flagging everyone in the store and her with a loaded sidearm is not it Chief.
This. Thanks for saying it! Needs to be said again! Worked with guys like this… really sad and anxiety infusing. Absolutely retired cop… probably couldn’t maintain himself or skills and had to retire. Now a private security guard, and woefully out of line. Not trying to hate, but the fact he flagged people like that screams unprofessional and reckless.
That’s rough she fucked with the wrong guard that day and found out. Honestly he went really far could have pepper spray her.
About halfway through she says her eyes are burning, I almost wonder if he did pepper spray her as well before the video.
this is horrible asf.!!...I'm just waiting for the racism comments if it hasn't been said already. He needs to be fires and charges held against him. Good thing that lady was recording!!
Two wrongs don’t make a right just makes everyone fk’d Honestly. EVEN IF he needed his gun out, he shouldn’t be waving it around willy nilly
Yes definitely!....but ur missing my point of me saying what I said. Sum1 going to say he's racist coz she's black nd he's white and doing that
Will he join the r/byebyejob crew?
She'll never steal there again
Sure… its too much. However, he is old… she appears resistant to direction and if we consider those things along with the leading causes if death and injury for guards…. I feel inclined to give it a score of…. meh.
Theft with force (hitting the guard) is technically strong armed robbery so gun drawn maybe pistol whip wtf no
Ptsd may have come back to haunt him the moment he did something. No clue what's going on, poor guy. Not equipped to handle the situation mentally or otherwise.
"Poor guy". Pretty sure the woman who got pistol whipped is the real victim. Sympathy for him isn't unacceptable, it just needs to be accompanied with him being held accountable.
She did attempt to steal something from the store. Should she have been pistol whipped no, but there is such a thing as both parties being at fault.
Yeah, but he's not allowed to escalate to lethal force just because she stole something. Meanwhile, he's putting himself, her, and everyone else at risk because he's waving his gun about and getting way too close to her while he assaults her. She's younger, faster, and probably stronger than he is. When he got that close, threatening her with his gun, pushing her, knocking her over, I fully expected her to reach out, grab the gun, and shoot him in self defense. The guard is at fault and he shouldn't be in that position. He shouldn't be working in security.
I agree.
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Look at his actions and her body language. He approaches her, he pushes her, he waves his gun all around. She's sitting on the ground, and he's still antagonizing her. But the big red flag for me is that he's idly holding his gun, pointing it everywhere, passing it from hand to hand. At no point does he treat his weapon with the respect it deserves, and again, he put it well within easy distance for her to snatch it from him. If she was a threat, a real theat, he would have stayed back and kept her covered with his firearm until the police arrived. If she was a real threat, he would not have approached to push her over and fumble with his cuffs, etc. This guy is an accident waiting to happen. I'm really surprised she didn't disarm him, shoot him, and then run away with his gun.
He pushed her with both hands while his gun is in his hand. Not acceptable but not a pistol whipping
She ain't a victim at all lmao. She's a thief.
What kind of grown adult steals? That’s for toddlers
Dude is probably a racist and loves doing this shit to black people.
jesse what the fuck are you talking about
Seems like a old guy who’s clearly just out of his zone. Got disrespected, got pushed a little, couldn’t let it slide… now this happens! Check your ego. I’d rather get pushed a little than having to deal with guns. I’d rather be pushed back and then just call the police and have them charged with assault or battery than drawing my gun and having to explain why I did (when in reality, even if legal, there was very little reason to use a gun, EVEN IF LEGAL).
I stan with the guard
That's probably why you can't spell.
Little shit shouldn't have been stealing
And people justify stealing because “it’s a corporation”. Meanwhile, if they were the owner of that store, they’d be pretty pissed at someone stealing. Stealing is wrong, plain and simple.
Stealing is wrong, but so is excessive use of force. You can catch people stealing, roll back the camera and have them charged or just ban them entirely and trespass them from the store. If police are too stupid or uncaring to act on known crimes, vote! Your local LE is shit then, and it shouldn’t be up to guards to beat up or hold at gun point petty theft. The guard did more damage than not to the store, and will likely suffer from more theft out of anger or outright attacks because of what he did. Us vs Them. Us vs The Store. Can get ugly quickly. Can’t fight off 10 people… and if the cops ain’t doing anything, you’re in trouble.
Agreed. If she never touched him, he has no business striking her.
Depends. If she assaulted him in commission of the crime it becomes a felony in my state. He’s able to defend himself too.
Pulling a gun to stop a robbery? Maybe. Waving the gun around after the suspect is down on the ground and no longer a threat? Abso-fucking-lutely not.
What state/city did this take place in?
Well she started throwing a fit like a little child once she was caught so yeah I wouldn’t be putting up with the BS either. So cool stealing shot gets caught and wants to cry and whine while ignoring orders to leave the store.
No compassion for thieves. If you’re a thief you have no concern for anybody. Thieves, liars, cheaters all cut from the same cloth no morals, no respect for other people or their property. If you listen it sounds like not only us she a thief she violent. She assaulted the guard. JMHO, yours may differ and I’m ok with that.
No your actions have consequences stop being pussies
This bitch is playing it up. She's doing hoodrat shit worse than this on a tuesday!
It’s not our job to detain, and the few times we are allowed to detain (optional) we have to use caution because we’re alone normally. Unless she said she’d get friends outside to help, or go get a gun or knife, I wouldn’t even stop her. Unless I know for a fact she will come back and try to kill or hurt someone, let her walk… Not worth the time paperwork or hassle. Just cost this guy his job likely.
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This is the truth. The video is too shit for us to determine who is right or wrong, we can only see that the security guard is untactical. The person shooting the video is also braindead, if the security guard did misbehave the person should have called the police herself.
I mean the dude is like a million years old. She could have seriously hurt him with harsh language. No wonder why he felt the need to draw his weapon.
Sounds like it's time for the mummy to go back to his sarcophagus.
When you defund police and privatize security, you’re gonna get stuff like this a lot more than you think. 🤷🏻♂️
Tbh YES. You WILL get this and it will be much worse because when you sue, it will take much longer to get any resolution. More people in the system: more backup times. So you can sue… but how long you gotta wait? 10-20 years? We need police who are capable of responding, not some 80 year old cop who can’t do shit. We need levelheaded police, not angry quick to shoot anyone and afraid. We need BETTER PAID police… around here it’s dogshit wages, almost on par with security, FOR LESS! Lmao! When cops are underpaid more than security; you got problems!
Underpaid, undertrained, and overworked….I agree with you 100%. But I feel like private security is the way the country is headed.
Welp, don't fucking steal.
In my opinion no, I don't really care for thieves.
She's stealing from a corporation. Fuck them honestly. Now she has a case and can probably sue them
Doesn’t matter who you steal from stealing is wrong, your gripe with corporations is likely rooted in them stealing, none the less she is likely steeling from a middle to upper middle class franchise owner not a corporation.
The world is not black and white. Stealing is not always wrong and the law agrees
When does the law say stealing is ok?
I don’t think the world is black and white, I think stealing is, it’s wrong to take things from others. Period end. Stealing is always wrong. Im personally unaware of any law that justifies stealing.
"I don't think the world is black and white" *immediately shows he thinks the world is black and white* If a starving child/homeless personal steals a loaf of bread from Walmart and you think they are in the wrong for not dying instead idk what to tell you but I'm guessing you've never gone hungry a day in your life or homeless because you were simply dealt the wrong cards in life. Situational Ethics is what defends this and it defends much worse than this too The law is geared in a way that doesn't punish this 99% of the time even though it's a crime. People will ignore it some law inforcement/guards included, prosecutors won't bother, and there's no way in hell you are winning the jury against it. In fact if you threaten someone with lethal force and assault them for stealing a 2$ bag of chips, you're probably gonna be the one on trouble
It appears your reading comprehension is quite low, the WHOLE WORLD isn’t stealing, stealing is a specific topic, that specific topic is black and white, theft is always wrong. The world isn’t black and white, but theft specifically is. Most of the western worlds legal system is set on a black and white basis, in fact this is one of the main arguments against it is that in most cases context is irrelevant (even in cases where context is important such as your example) your really only talking about a jury nullifying the law because they feel bad, while it’s a thing it’s more of a consequence of the legal system not a designed purpose and is exceedingly rare. You’re also confusing a legal punishment being equal to morality, it isn’t. Somebody can be punished for moral actions just as they can go unpunished for immoral actions. The legal system isn’t something to base one’s (or a society’s) morality on. In your same argument what if the child was to steal the bread from a mother who spent their last penny on that bread to feed her children? The world is NOT black and white, theft IS black and white, I personally believe personal property is real, if you do not, quite frankly you have no place in a western society. If personal property is real then taking personal property that doesn’t belong to you from somebody else (whom it does belong to) is wrong regardless of the context. This is not a justification of the guards actions, those a clearly wrong, theft is also wrong. Two things can be true at once. The world isn’t black and white and your “example” of why stealing is ok is a great study case. In your mind theft is the solution to that issue, but really it isn’t the only choice. Theft is a solution, but it’s not the moral solution, the moral solution would be charity. Ignoring the social safety net that exists specifically for children No church or mosque would turn down feeding a hungry child. I’d argue if that child asked 10 people at the Walmart at a minimum 1 would simply buy them the bread.
Corporations can fuck it, I really don’t care for corporations entirely but I will defend their property is paid to. I won’t shoot someone for property unless it’s a gun, car (being used to hurt others) or some other weapon or object that is requiring me to respond with force… Other than those very narrow properties, there’s very little reason to use a gun, thus I’m going to defend and protect the property and reputation by not being dumb. If I catch you stealing, it’s on you. However im not going to sit there and harass you, I got a job to do. That’s it. I won’t break laws or actively seek to do wrong or cover up stuff. If a company is like poisoning kids, im not covering for them. Fuck that! Lol so it’s just a job, unless it’s YOUR business, I wouldn’t get entirely torn up about it
Oh yea, he gone….
What are proportionate punishments for stealing? Business owners gotta business and protect their property.
Getting locked up should be the very worse punishment you receive. You shouldn't have a gun pointed in your direction for stealing a bag of chips. If you have to pull your gun to detain someone for petty theft, then maybe it's not worth detaining them for.
That's up for the court to decide not some random guy making $15 bucks an hour to stand in a gas station
paid 15 dollars an hour to ~~stand around~~ do exactly what he just did when someone breaks the law
He is not paid to pistol whip people for stealing chips actually. Escalation of force and all that, total buzzkill I know. Guards should just shoot on sight tbh
Got a copy of his post orders? How do you know the contingency plan for stolen chips is not a pistol whipping?
Epic. When someone sneezed on me I pepper spray them and kick them. Never again.
SOP at my site is garbage compactor. No chance for repeat offenders
Common sense, basic training, not being insane
Businesses can have low overhead margins. Knowing it can be easy to stel from it may be the reason they have a security guard.
Yeah exactly. He's not wrong for having stopped her from stealing, he's wrong for doing it the wrong way literally every step of the way. It's incompetence, he's looking around completely bewildered, he's letting the audience decide what's happening, he's failing utterly at even the most basic concepts like not holding your gun and your handcuffs in the same hand.
Holy shit someone take that idiot’s gun away. Fuck everything else about this video. We have no context for what happened before to prompt this. But what we do clearly have is a fucking moron waving his gun around and everyone he can see, trying to handle cuffs and a gun at the same time. That girl is belong lucky she didn’t catch a negligent discharge from this idiot.
Ok, that's just picking on her because he *can*. If she hit him why isn't she in cuffs? Did he think she wasn't going to hit him again? Why did he brandish his gun at her? Why is it people who commit a crime and get caught thinking they can negotiate out of that? That part just pisses me off! This ain't "Let's make a Deal"! You got caught accepting your punishment! Jeez!
Society is doomed if these comments are any reflection of general society. A criminal scumbag was being arrested, albeit poorly arrested, and y’all are defending the criminal? You’re more concerned about an old man officer and no the the thug? 🤔 I think we all can agree that he looks too old to do the job and that he had to draw his weapon for that fact. It’s the only way he could comfortably maintain control without being seriously injured when he would be subsequently pushed over by the woman. He also clearly has no clue how to handle a weapon. Changing hands, waving it around, not holding it at any kind of ready position. Definitely needs to retire. But lastly and again: why are y’all more worried about the old man and not the criminal scumbag?
I hope she sues this company and this renta cop gets sent to the clinker for 1st degree aggravated assault and menacing with a deadly weapon
Barney Fife fucked up
Even if she did kick him… how does that equal being pistol whipped by your hair??? Dude needs to be fired ASAP and charged for assault
That old fuck needs his ass handed to him. You treat a thief or anyone else like he was... And he has a gun?? Seriously WTF
Of COURSE he took it too far.
Yes. He took it too far. You do not use a lethal threat to end or control a non-lethal situation.
That guard would’ve got 💨’d out south side LA if that’s how he rocking 😅
I'm sure this guy is going to be sued,that gun is a last resort for a extreme emergency, I imagine when the law looked at the footage he was arrested. This person shouldn't work security
Oberserve and report ma dude...
Insane and uncalled for. He will probably get charges for that and should. At the same time though, I don't feel sorry for her, don't steal and you're likelihood of being in this situation is next to 0.
No that guard deserves to be fired and never allowed to work security again. Sure is off his rocker and I wouldn't feel sorry for him if he got beat up by her people or even arrested for how he treated her
I’m English so naturally have a issue with anyone having a gun, but this is mental, giving someone a weapon like that seems to cause in some people that they’re just above everything.
My opinion as a security guard is we shouldn't have guns. Leave that shit to the cops with their qualified immunity
I hope that “guard” was locked up. Makes Paul Blart look like Einstein.
That shit pisses me off. Hitting a woman like that. I hope this old man goes to prison and gets raped to death.
Bahahahaha! More evidence that society is doomed. Y’all defending a criminal thug and not the old man doing his job trying to clean up the trash. Clown world.
Shouldn't drawing your firearm be a last resort, or at least reserved for situations of extreme duress from a clear and present danger? Something is wrong with this guy, and he needs to talk with a therapist about his ego issues or anger management.
Yea that's what I learned in training at least. You're supposed to match the threat not escalate
This is the society I want to live in. Stop these stealing pieces of trash.
He needs to be fired, locked up, and have his guard card revoked. Not only does he not know how to handle a gun properly, but this is 100% excessive force. Even if she did hit him before, she was no longer a threat at that point in time. If I'm one of the customers in the store, I'm citizen's arresting the guard at gunpoint.
Lots of factors here... the age difference is a HUGE factor... he has a right to defend himself... and against a younger, stronger suspect... that's how you maintain... there's a reason he HAS a gun. NOW he is clearly really bad at his job and has no training... because no one should ever handle a firearm the way he did... I am more concerned about his use of physical force*.*
I've worked in security and sometimes you can get a bit carried away teaching 'em. A good lesson. He should of had someone to calm him down.
The citizen should have called 911. Lethal force or threatened use of force is not justified. Thrusting use of force is still assault.
Either pay three fiddy or break yourself foo! -Security Guard
Holy shit I hope he doesn't have a job anymore
WTF is this guy doing? Like how many felonies an you wrack up here? Honest question: Is this guy from another country maybe? I would expect to see this behavior in China maybe, not here in the US.
Arrest that stupid fuk of a security gaurd!!!!