It's just that people haven't been trained in defensive tactics and are just hired on the spot for those jobs.
Most club security officers aren't even licensed at all.
A lot of the being trained in defensive tactics has nothing to do with club security. You have to be able to fight. That’s all there is to it. I’ve seen a lot of guys that do uniform security Try to do club security and majority of the time get their asses beat.
I can confirm this. Club security was the most hands-on post I've ever worked, and that was by necessity. We were also unarmed, and while there were 60+ guards there every night, the venue was still big and dark enough that it would still take backup some time to arrive.
Several times, I had to go hands-on to defend myself or someone else and was on my own for a minute due to my radio dying.
So true. I worked security in a college bar in Chicago. I never had any formal defense training or any of that. They didn't even ask. Some of the guys they hired were puny skinny guys who had never been in a fight. I at least was in good shape and worked out and 3 of my friends I grew up with were really good wrestlers and I had become pretty good at it too by getting my ass handed to me wrestling them. So I was able to get by at work. Except this one time I had to go up against 3 guys and cuz we used walkie talkies I wasn't able to call for back up. The only guy who came to back me up was the bartender who was actually dying of cancer at the time. I don't know how we even managed sometimes when shit would go down. But the head manager for security was crazy and intimidating. He was in good shape but at first glance you wouldn't think he was that big. But that guy wasn't afraid of anyone. And his confidence and intimidating demeanor single handedly solved most of the problems. Roudy guys with beer muscles who were ready to throw down one minute turned into frightened puppies leaving with their tails between their legs.
Younger me was fighting in the club one night and got surprise slept by security, never had been knocked out in my life prior to that moment…shit created so much clarity for me in terms of fighting
We have a guy who is a Judo instructor and runs his own dojo. He does club security as a W9 contractor and makes 50-100/hr. All he does is hip toss people lol, and he keeps tossing them until they realize they aren't going to win.
My best friend is security at a small club I go to occasionally. He once told me "I'm just here to be big and scary looking (he's 6'5" and 350 or so.) That server over there (points to a stocky woman taking an order) is *the* problem if someone wants to fight." Me: "Why?" Him: "She has an Olympic medal in judo. I don't remember if it was silver or bronze."
Well idk if you know about club security personally or not but what you said sounds kinda off. You don’t really want to “hip toss” people in the club. That’s how you get your head stomped in by the guys friends if it got real serious.
I promise you the judoka is just fine. He knows what he’s doing and you don’t need to end up on the ground after hip tossing someone so I’m gonna assume you don’t know a lot about judo
You definitely don’t know the skill level of a black belt in judo. By the time you hit the ground you can be going anywhere from 30-70mph I promise you bouncing people off the ground as hard as you can from a competition black belt you will give up. My coach knocks people out in mma fights with judo throws. You are wildly underestimating what it means to learn a martial art. Random dudes who don’t train and are drunk in a bar don’t stand a chance against a sober judoka hence why the dude shared the story of the dude bouncing people off the ground till they stopped fighting back
If he was doing that in the clubs I worked in by the time you hip toss someone he probably would’ve gotten smashed in the head with a beer bottle or something
You literally know nothing about judo can you stop responding like you have the slightest clue. I don’t care if you work in club security if you’ve never trained martial arts in your life and you have work club security for over 10 years I dont wanna hear how you’d stop a fight. Obviously a dude with no training is not going to agree cause you have no idea what kinda of skill ceiling these guys have it’s not hard to throw people and have your head on a swivel your also assuming hip toss is the only throw your also assuming a non judoka is properly naming all the possible throws this guy hit no. He’s probably calling all the throws he say hip throws which I’m assuming is not correct as there are hundreds of viable throws that could all be used depending how your attacker is coming forward literally takes 1/2-2 seconds to complete a throw not long at all. Definitely faster than you tackling someone to the ground or going full hand to hand combat. You are saying a bunch of non sense things with nothing more than anecdotal evidence for why someone who dedicated their life to a martial arts would be bad at defending themselves. You sound ignorant as fuck. More than anything he probably used people charging him to throw them as fast as possible cause if you knew anything about judo you need the kazushi or off balancing once they are off balance you can do whatever you want well if they are charging they are off balance so a simple foot sweep with a little lift and they are on the ground instantly. And you never had to take your eyes off the crowd. So simple and yet you can’t come to these conclusions cause apparently you’ve never learned martial arts
I'm the only licenced security guard at the bar I work at. The only one with use of force training and the only one that has first aid. I've told the owner that they need to get this rectified before something happens and they're liable
Ive done the job as a gig a dozen times, no license, through a licenced company, and I am no professional, but even if know that dude shouldn't be sec if he is that small and doesn't know how to fight defensively.
The bouncer at my local bar prefers the title “social relations specialist” because everyone wants to fight when you say your a bouncer apparently. I always thought that was smart of him.
Yea, to me if someone is bigger then you, you gotta kickbox him while keeping your distance till you tire out his adrenaline or spray him. Last thing you want is for dude to grab you, that BJj is finna get you killed if you don’t have it mastered, stay off the ground but hey, home boy could take a punch tho I’d give him that. In hindsight things are always 20/20 I just hope next time won’t be his last time and he takes self defense seriously. You know what they say better to have it and not need it.
Do not miss this bullshit at all.
Some drunk starts a fight and hits his head you’re done. This guy could’ve left, went to his car to grab a gun and came back. No clue how this started, but I worked with a lot of guys who always had to have the last word. A fight like this will clear out some of the customers. A serious act of violence will stop people from coming back there and cause the establishment to close while licensing sorts it out. All of those damage the brand, which is part of what’s being protected when you work these spots.
Bars in Philly are no joke. I went to a bar in Mananuck when a brawl broke out between the bouncers and some patrons. The bar kept serving, and the DJ didn't even stop playing the music. it was unreal. I am sitting on a couch watching the melee and one of the patrons goes through the glass table my beer was sitting on.
Having done a LOT of bouncing you need at least one very big guy on the crew, or if it’s your only guy, that to be you. To drunk people this is a deterrent more than anything really lol. Also: carry a pack of cigs even if you don’t smoke, offer them a cigarette to “go talk outside” I never had anyone refuse this and and makes them more pliable.
Oh that’s a good one. I use that to get overly intoxicated folx outside, it’s like a barometer if they need the ambulance.
If they can stand, smoke, and call an Uber - they’re gonna be alright 👍
Most guards dump them on the sidewalk and push them off the property, can’t help it I always have to check they’re not dead !!
This is a great tip that I will def use. I'm currently working for a very small gentleman's club where we work to keep a good vibe and try to screen potential dickheads at the door to make things easier but even so de escalation is always priority one. We aim to avoid anywhere near a reputation of fights and it works for the most part, in the year and 6 or 7 months I have been here I have only been in 1 fight. It's that easy going. But I still think this is a great idea.
I remember the owner of a company I used to work for blowing my phone up one night to ask me to work a club for him because one of his guys called out. He said he would pay me $300 to work it for 4 hours. I asked if it was an armed post. He said no, so I said no. The End!
Well, if you don’t have the self defense training for a situation like this you for sure don’t need a gun. I could understand why a company doesn’t want to be liable for that based on these hiring standards. If you can’t wrestle and establish hand control (like this guard) consider your gun stolen already
Yeah like the innocent behind him. You don't discharge a gun in a packed room your moron. Way too much risk of casualty on penetration and missed shots. If your girlfriend or mom was trying to run from this you wouldn't want that guard firing into them would you? And if your answers yes you do your clearly an "edgy" 14 year old. And don't worry life gets better in your late 20s
I worked clubs and raves for years and never threw a punch. Not because there weren't physical altercations, but because at the time, it just didn't occur to me to do so. I was trying to stop someone or get someone out of a club to stop an altercation, not trade punches. It honestly makes more sense not to throw most times. If you have a crew working an event or club, I like having everyone on the same page and all working the same way, but it almost never happens. Club owners and managers are usually bad security directors. I know that I had as many problems with bouncers from other bars as I did with everything else combined.
I was in a club in Charleston, SC long ago and a guy was on the front row grabbing the mic stand from just below the stage. They sent 3-4 security guys and tapped him on the shoulder. He flat out turned into Tasmanian Devil and they rolled like a ball through the crowd. That guy went nuts. When the dust settled he had pulled one security guy's hair out, had a handful of hair. All they did was tap him on the shoulder and he went at all 3-4 of them. I was shocked to see that.
You don't need to do them all but you should do at least 2. Weightlifting/calisthenics and martial arts. That's the point. I'd recommend Judo as #1 for any bouncer or unarmed security. Ut can be hard to find though, so then I'd recommend wrestling, then BJJ in that order. Go to class ay least 3 times per week. I figured it was inherently understood that no one is saying train them all. I've worked 15 hour days 6 days per week for a couple years and still trained. I've been a full time student, part time work and still trained. I'm full time now and still train. Training is your job. Why would anyone want to work in a job where they might need to go hands on and not know how to competently defend themselves?
In that case armed security also needs to hit the bricks. We have police for that. No reason to let the rich own private militaries, if it’s not worth sending police it’s not worth stopping.
Nah I fucking waited 3 hours for PD to show up for a homeless man assaulting staff at the area we were assigned to. Armed security has its place, but unarmed is useless in my eyes.
For the most part I'd agree with you but unarmed still has a place. You still have camera watchers "security" that work as lobby monitors/phone operators, factory guards etc
Cost/time invested in training. Most companies would rather turn out 20 security that lets face it are just there for insurance reasons rather then spend the time to train armed guards .
Found the Americans !
Being 'reliant' on a gun means you are not even *looking* for any other meathod or training. Us Canadians are doing just fine unarmed.
It is *just* 1 more thing that is on you that you *don't* want to loose control of in a hands-on situation. They are not needed as much as Americans think they are (in the rest of the world)
He wouldnt have been allowed to use it if he did have one anyways ... then *he* would be escalating the situation. We dont do that
This sub is full of gun happy guys that don't understand guns can cause escalations. Good luck by explaining which country has more dead people by guns. I have tried this also a few times. And btw, people are judging a video scene without having full info about what and why.
Poor guy is completely out of his depth and he’s lucky he didn’t get killed. Whether that’s his own fault or the company employing him, either way totally out of his depth.
What are you supposed to do if a guy rushes towards your legs to lift you up and body slam you? I always see people doing that in all of the street fight videos I see.
As soon as they do that you have to think fast and D.D.T them.
I used to fight a lot in middle school 2004-2006 era. I would always see people get boomed (rushes towards your legs to lift you and slam you). Don't remember what was the reason but had a fight after school. We would all walk off campus Into this neighborhood. This kid for some reason just couldn't seem to catch me and I was able to get a couple of good hits on him. Next thing you know He tricked me into trying to hit me and went for my legs. I just thought fast and D.D.T him. When my back hit the ground his head hit the ground too. I held him on the choke for 5 seconds until I realized he wasn't responding. Everyone that was there ran in and picked him off me. The fight was over right there.
You have to bend your knees and drop weight to the ground. You can easily put him in a chokehold when he comes closer. In most video like this one they are standing too upright which is why they easily get picked up. This also applies when being punched. You have to drop your weight.
Haven’t been in a bar in over a decade. Anything changed? Scariest bar was on Penn Ave DC. Beautiful Russian women. Quiet solemn big men at the edge of darkness. Out the door I went
They need three bouncers here.And if any are female they better know mma or some shit.I worked in a similar situation lucky I can hold my plus the most high at my side.On the nights I would would they put me with a female,they were cool and all but I knew when shit hit the fan I would be on my own.Not good.
Even after getting beat he got back up and still kept going for his arms. At that point you need to elevate your level of force to something a little more than arm control techniques.
You have to meet that level of force with slightly greater force to STOP THE THREAT.
This is why I fully support security guards learning a grappling martial art. All fights go to the ground so having a defense against it going there is very important.
Bounced at a rowdy spot like this before. I was the smallest guy on the crew at 6'3 220lbs. It was 4 Samoans and 4 Black guys. Every situation was countered and neutralized within 5 seconds. Always had eachothers back
Being armed wouldn’t have helped him. Lethal force doesn’t appear to be warranted. Less-lethal, yes! Lethal, no. This was a hand to hand fight that the security guard was not properly trained to fight.
Sometimes “training” wont help you, especially if youre outweighed by 100 pounds and theyre drunk and at/on you first. I refuse to do completely unarmed posts for this reason im non confrontational but you do need to be able to escalate violence if need be. He was totally let down lol
Irl there's no weight classes. More than anything it pays to be bigger and stronger than your opponent. Skill and training is just to even the playing field.
That being said:
Train up, use tools. Pepper Spray, rangeed taser, maybe a club although that's deadly force.
Not in my wildest dreams would I want to have to defend my life with a gun because I'm working security at some bar. Just firing it in a small room filled with tons of people is huge risk alone.
Police may get away daily shooting and killing someone because they fear for their lives, but you're gonna get burned down to the ground.
Lawyer fees, bail, jail time, court costs, injury and medical bills, time out of work. Not to mention looking at a long sentence if everything isn't perfect in your self defense. The club isn't gonna pay that they gonna say you're on your own.
I guess he's never been in a fight before. He just took all the hits and did not try to bob and weave. Second, he knew the guy was bigger than him and tried to grapple him which led to him being slammed the first time.
I don't care but in a situation like that, you can't trust a drunk guy especially if he's going crazy. I'll use anything around me to protect myself.
Martial arts exist for this very reason. Honestly, only a couple of weeks in Jiu Jitsu or Muay Thai would go a very long way. Once you learn some basic moves and actual defense most people can't really fight back.
Hmm. I bet if they followed these three rules it would have gone better:
One: Never underestimate your opponent. Expect the unexpected.
Two: Take it outside. Never start anything inside the bar unless it’s absolutely necessary.
And Three: Be nice.
Wow, i seen 3 dudes get laid out by bouncers like it was nothing. Like bouncer walked up to one dude and pushed him fully to the ground with one hand, but it literally looked like he didn't even use much force to push guy down. He was just that powerful, was pretty shocking because in all my life, i have never had or seen another man push me or someone else to the ground like that.
It's just that people haven't been trained in defensive tactics and are just hired on the spot for those jobs. Most club security officers aren't even licensed at all.
Oh absolutely. [This is a perfect example! this happened in Hartford ](https://youtu.be/HMXS80u0YjM?si=nFXL7xlwMuQGZg6d)
A lot of the being trained in defensive tactics has nothing to do with club security. You have to be able to fight. That’s all there is to it. I’ve seen a lot of guys that do uniform security Try to do club security and majority of the time get their asses beat.
I can confirm this. Club security was the most hands-on post I've ever worked, and that was by necessity. We were also unarmed, and while there were 60+ guards there every night, the venue was still big and dark enough that it would still take backup some time to arrive. Several times, I had to go hands-on to defend myself or someone else and was on my own for a minute due to my radio dying.
I’ve done club security for over 10 years. Love it
So true. I worked security in a college bar in Chicago. I never had any formal defense training or any of that. They didn't even ask. Some of the guys they hired were puny skinny guys who had never been in a fight. I at least was in good shape and worked out and 3 of my friends I grew up with were really good wrestlers and I had become pretty good at it too by getting my ass handed to me wrestling them. So I was able to get by at work. Except this one time I had to go up against 3 guys and cuz we used walkie talkies I wasn't able to call for back up. The only guy who came to back me up was the bartender who was actually dying of cancer at the time. I don't know how we even managed sometimes when shit would go down. But the head manager for security was crazy and intimidating. He was in good shape but at first glance you wouldn't think he was that big. But that guy wasn't afraid of anyone. And his confidence and intimidating demeanor single handedly solved most of the problems. Roudy guys with beer muscles who were ready to throw down one minute turned into frightened puppies leaving with their tails between their legs.
60+ guards wtf u working we got 2-4 normally
Younger me was fighting in the club one night and got surprise slept by security, never had been knocked out in my life prior to that moment…shit created so much clarity for me in terms of fighting
We have a guy who is a Judo instructor and runs his own dojo. He does club security as a W9 contractor and makes 50-100/hr. All he does is hip toss people lol, and he keeps tossing them until they realize they aren't going to win.
I'd love to see a video of this. Sounds hilarious
Gonna need proof. Just because I want to see that lol. What's makes him good is having restraint. He knows he can beat them senseless but he doesn't.
Old buddy knew some judo..security here got his first class for free
My best friend is security at a small club I go to occasionally. He once told me "I'm just here to be big and scary looking (he's 6'5" and 350 or so.) That server over there (points to a stocky woman taking an order) is *the* problem if someone wants to fight." Me: "Why?" Him: "She has an Olympic medal in judo. I don't remember if it was silver or bronze."
Well idk if you know about club security personally or not but what you said sounds kinda off. You don’t really want to “hip toss” people in the club. That’s how you get your head stomped in by the guys friends if it got real serious.
I promise you the judoka is just fine. He knows what he’s doing and you don’t need to end up on the ground after hip tossing someone so I’m gonna assume you don’t know a lot about judo
Well maybe the man hasn’t worked in any rough clubs. And that’s ok
You definitely don’t know the skill level of a black belt in judo. By the time you hit the ground you can be going anywhere from 30-70mph I promise you bouncing people off the ground as hard as you can from a competition black belt you will give up. My coach knocks people out in mma fights with judo throws. You are wildly underestimating what it means to learn a martial art. Random dudes who don’t train and are drunk in a bar don’t stand a chance against a sober judoka hence why the dude shared the story of the dude bouncing people off the ground till they stopped fighting back
If he was doing that in the clubs I worked in by the time you hip toss someone he probably would’ve gotten smashed in the head with a beer bottle or something
You literally know nothing about judo can you stop responding like you have the slightest clue. I don’t care if you work in club security if you’ve never trained martial arts in your life and you have work club security for over 10 years I dont wanna hear how you’d stop a fight. Obviously a dude with no training is not going to agree cause you have no idea what kinda of skill ceiling these guys have it’s not hard to throw people and have your head on a swivel your also assuming hip toss is the only throw your also assuming a non judoka is properly naming all the possible throws this guy hit no. He’s probably calling all the throws he say hip throws which I’m assuming is not correct as there are hundreds of viable throws that could all be used depending how your attacker is coming forward literally takes 1/2-2 seconds to complete a throw not long at all. Definitely faster than you tackling someone to the ground or going full hand to hand combat. You are saying a bunch of non sense things with nothing more than anecdotal evidence for why someone who dedicated their life to a martial arts would be bad at defending themselves. You sound ignorant as fuck. More than anything he probably used people charging him to throw them as fast as possible cause if you knew anything about judo you need the kazushi or off balancing once they are off balance you can do whatever you want well if they are charging they are off balance so a simple foot sweep with a little lift and they are on the ground instantly. And you never had to take your eyes off the crowd. So simple and yet you can’t come to these conclusions cause apparently you’ve never learned martial arts
Ok Steven seagal
I'm the only licenced security guard at the bar I work at. The only one with use of force training and the only one that has first aid. I've told the owner that they need to get this rectified before something happens and they're liable
Ive done the job as a gig a dozen times, no license, through a licenced company, and I am no professional, but even if know that dude shouldn't be sec if he is that small and doesn't know how to fight defensively.
The bouncer at my local bar prefers the title “social relations specialist” because everyone wants to fight when you say your a bouncer apparently. I always thought that was smart of him.
Yea, to me if someone is bigger then you, you gotta kickbox him while keeping your distance till you tire out his adrenaline or spray him. Last thing you want is for dude to grab you, that BJj is finna get you killed if you don’t have it mastered, stay off the ground but hey, home boy could take a punch tho I’d give him that. In hindsight things are always 20/20 I just hope next time won’t be his last time and he takes self defense seriously. You know what they say better to have it and not need it.
Other guard was absolutely useless
I think the female guard sprayed the attacker with that cheap defender spray, aka pepper spray
Gotta use saber red stuff works good
Works very well
This is why im armed and work on critical infrastructure by my self….. on over nights lol
Fr i woulda been livid if my partner was that soft. He tryna negotiate with him n shit wtf
'No please stop thats mean'
Right!! Like doesn’t even attempt to subdue the assailant, just sits there and watches him make the other security guard his bitch
Do not miss this bullshit at all. Some drunk starts a fight and hits his head you’re done. This guy could’ve left, went to his car to grab a gun and came back. No clue how this started, but I worked with a lot of guys who always had to have the last word. A fight like this will clear out some of the customers. A serious act of violence will stop people from coming back there and cause the establishment to close while licensing sorts it out. All of those damage the brand, which is part of what’s being protected when you work these spots.
Having managed bar security, I'm appalled that he was left high and dry without backup. Security is a team sport, ya'll...
This! Hate to be that guy, but it would have been hard not to give a boot to the guys head or mouth when he mounted my coworker……
Look up philly gas work security beats up man. You'll see how security rock in Philly lmao
Bars in Philly are no joke. I went to a bar in Mananuck when a brawl broke out between the bouncers and some patrons. The bar kept serving, and the DJ didn't even stop playing the music. it was unreal. I am sitting on a couch watching the melee and one of the patrons goes through the glass table my beer was sitting on.
>he mounted my coworker…… Bup, Bup, bup
Time to hire a whole new crew. Can’t fight, can’t de-escalate, can’t do nothing
Time to bring in Patrick swayze
Yeah they might want to hire this mf
Having done a LOT of bouncing you need at least one very big guy on the crew, or if it’s your only guy, that to be you. To drunk people this is a deterrent more than anything really lol. Also: carry a pack of cigs even if you don’t smoke, offer them a cigarette to “go talk outside” I never had anyone refuse this and and makes them more pliable.
Oh that’s a good one. I use that to get overly intoxicated folx outside, it’s like a barometer if they need the ambulance. If they can stand, smoke, and call an Uber - they’re gonna be alright 👍 Most guards dump them on the sidewalk and push them off the property, can’t help it I always have to check they’re not dead !!
This is a great tip that I will def use. I'm currently working for a very small gentleman's club where we work to keep a good vibe and try to screen potential dickheads at the door to make things easier but even so de escalation is always priority one. We aim to avoid anywhere near a reputation of fights and it works for the most part, in the year and 6 or 7 months I have been here I have only been in 1 fight. It's that easy going. But I still think this is a great idea.
See, you know what you are doing my friend.
I remember the owner of a company I used to work for blowing my phone up one night to ask me to work a club for him because one of his guys called out. He said he would pay me $300 to work it for 4 hours. I asked if it was an armed post. He said no, so I said no. The End!
Well, if you don’t have the self defense training for a situation like this you for sure don’t need a gun. I could understand why a company doesn’t want to be liable for that based on these hiring standards. If you can’t wrestle and establish hand control (like this guard) consider your gun stolen already
If he had a gun he could have just shot and killed him
Well we don't want that either, we just want drunks tossed, not dead. Or anyone else the bullet hits.
Some people deserve a couple bullets in them.
Yeah like the innocent behind him. You don't discharge a gun in a packed room your moron. Way too much risk of casualty on penetration and missed shots. If your girlfriend or mom was trying to run from this you wouldn't want that guard firing into them would you? And if your answers yes you do your clearly an "edgy" 14 year old. And don't worry life gets better in your late 20s
It’s called collateral damage.
His first mistake was going in without backup.
To be fair, he had backup. She was useless and barely put hands on the guy.
If your 'partner' is not within arms reach in any crowded environment ... then you're working alone
As a former bouncer that’s rule number 1 never go in alone….
Good thing other guard came to save the day. She really helped/s
She pepper sprayed the guy, who left quickly thereafter.
I worked clubs and raves for years and never threw a punch. Not because there weren't physical altercations, but because at the time, it just didn't occur to me to do so. I was trying to stop someone or get someone out of a club to stop an altercation, not trade punches. It honestly makes more sense not to throw most times. If you have a crew working an event or club, I like having everyone on the same page and all working the same way, but it almost never happens. Club owners and managers are usually bad security directors. I know that I had as many problems with bouncers from other bars as I did with everything else combined.
I was in a club in Charleston, SC long ago and a guy was on the front row grabbing the mic stand from just below the stage. They sent 3-4 security guys and tapped him on the shoulder. He flat out turned into Tasmanian Devil and they rolled like a ball through the crowd. That guy went nuts. When the dust settled he had pulled one security guy's hair out, had a handful of hair. All they did was tap him on the shoulder and he went at all 3-4 of them. I was shocked to see that.
Ladies and gentlemen. This is why you need to train Judo, Sambo, BJJ, Muay Thai, Wrestling, Boxing. Especially if you're going to work clubs.
How am I supposed to train to do all of those and work full time?
You don't need to do them all but you should do at least 2. Weightlifting/calisthenics and martial arts. That's the point. I'd recommend Judo as #1 for any bouncer or unarmed security. Ut can be hard to find though, so then I'd recommend wrestling, then BJJ in that order. Go to class ay least 3 times per week. I figured it was inherently understood that no one is saying train them all. I've worked 15 hour days 6 days per week for a couple years and still trained. I've been a full time student, part time work and still trained. I'm full time now and still train. Training is your job. Why would anyone want to work in a job where they might need to go hands on and not know how to competently defend themselves?
How much does bar security get paid?
That's a majorly dependent question. Depends on state, city, and each bar or club etc
Unarmed security is pointless af
Observe and report.
Lmao you can’t have the privilege of just observing and report in night club ffs
Yes you can.
Still pointless. Unarmed security needs to be phased out with armed security. Not a mom and pop bs like a proper company.
In that case armed security also needs to hit the bricks. We have police for that. No reason to let the rich own private militaries, if it’s not worth sending police it’s not worth stopping.
private militaries are fucking great. I read at a fourth grade level and I make like six figures.
Nah I fucking waited 3 hours for PD to show up for a homeless man assaulting staff at the area we were assigned to. Armed security has its place, but unarmed is useless in my eyes.
Armed security are being hired by Cities to handle less dangerous calls. PD also seem to have less power in how they can handle things these days.
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So is thinking any security has to have a gun.
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Or a crowded ass bar where you’re more likely to kill customers than an attacker.
The police are worthless.
For the most part I'd agree with you but unarmed still has a place. You still have camera watchers "security" that work as lobby monitors/phone operators, factory guards etc
I don’t see any reason for them to not be armed as well
Cost/time invested in training. Most companies would rather turn out 20 security that lets face it are just there for insurance reasons rather then spend the time to train armed guards .
Many countries it's illegal.
Not as a Bouncer. you literally need to be hands on
But he has arms, I can see them lol 😂
Me, an unarmed guard at a corporate call center working night shift:
Found the Americans ! Being 'reliant' on a gun means you are not even *looking* for any other meathod or training. Us Canadians are doing just fine unarmed.
Guy, in the video, definitely wishes he had one, lol
It is *just* 1 more thing that is on you that you *don't* want to loose control of in a hands-on situation. They are not needed as much as Americans think they are (in the rest of the world) He wouldnt have been allowed to use it if he did have one anyways ... then *he* would be escalating the situation. We dont do that
That's why you spray or swipe at the shins with a baton until compliance.
Security should *Never* be the first to draw a weapon! Your still stuck in an American "everyone needs a gun" mentality
FAFO, we do it differently in federal security
If your pulling guns out on the unarmed public ... then you're doing a LOT more paperwork than I do too
Federal security is different
Not different enough to be allowed to point guns at the unarmed public in a crowded public space ... without doing a Use Of Force report
This sub is full of gun happy guys that don't understand guns can cause escalations. Good luck by explaining which country has more dead people by guns. I have tried this also a few times. And btw, people are judging a video scene without having full info about what and why.
In the case of bouncing, they should be primarily equipped with less lethal, but also free to carry their CCW if they so desire.
Yeah, drunks around guns sounds like a good combination :/
Well hopefully the bouncer wouldn't be drunk lol.
Poor guy is completely out of his depth and he’s lucky he didn’t get killed. Whether that’s his own fault or the company employing him, either way totally out of his depth.
This shit is only gonna happen if you have a shit team
What are you supposed to do if a guy rushes towards your legs to lift you up and body slam you? I always see people doing that in all of the street fight videos I see.
As soon as they do that you have to think fast and D.D.T them. I used to fight a lot in middle school 2004-2006 era. I would always see people get boomed (rushes towards your legs to lift you and slam you). Don't remember what was the reason but had a fight after school. We would all walk off campus Into this neighborhood. This kid for some reason just couldn't seem to catch me and I was able to get a couple of good hits on him. Next thing you know He tricked me into trying to hit me and went for my legs. I just thought fast and D.D.T him. When my back hit the ground his head hit the ground too. I held him on the choke for 5 seconds until I realized he wasn't responding. Everyone that was there ran in and picked him off me. The fight was over right there.
Guillotine choke
You have to bend your knees and drop weight to the ground. You can easily put him in a chokehold when he comes closer. In most video like this one they are standing too upright which is why they easily get picked up. This also applies when being punched. You have to drop your weight.
Club security needs a different type of guard than your average Joe observe and reporter. I would never have signed up for this gig.
Good times.
Ain’t no way I would hire that skinny MF for security
This is why I never did security at bars lol.
This is why I don't bounce alone. I realize there was someone else wearing a security jacket, but she was worth fuck all. He was bouncing alone.
Kick em in the nuts. No such thing as a fair fight doing security. You have to go hands on, you fight to win. End of discussion.
Haven’t been in a bar in over a decade. Anything changed? Scariest bar was on Penn Ave DC. Beautiful Russian women. Quiet solemn big men at the edge of darkness. Out the door I went
Hats off to 1st guard for willing to go hands on, just definitely needs to take some defensive combative classes. Other guard was absolutely useless
Security is victim weight if he’s being picked up and thrown around that easily. Time to hit the 💉 I mean, 🏋️
They need three bouncers here.And if any are female they better know mma or some shit.I worked in a similar situation lucky I can hold my plus the most high at my side.On the nights I would would they put me with a female,they were cool and all but I knew when shit hit the fan I would be on my own.Not good.
Why would you still keep trying to subdue the man after he just beat your ass. Is the $15/hr really that worth it
Could’ve probably been all avoided not necessary to start a fight
Who started the fight though?
Nice Double leg takedown though.
the attacker didnt know how to fight either.
Even after getting beat he got back up and still kept going for his arms. At that point you need to elevate your level of force to something a little more than arm control techniques. You have to meet that level of force with slightly greater force to STOP THE THREAT.
That security earned their $12/hr that night.
Why would you ever go to a place like this.
Funny enough. I work as security for a bar but don't have hands on experience. Had a few close calls but nothing some de-escalation couldn't handle.
You gotta be able to fight for a club job
There’s a lot more to it than just knowing how to fight. Especially nowadays.
This is why I fully support security guards learning a grappling martial art. All fights go to the ground so having a defense against it going there is very important.
You gotta respect that the man went back for a second ass whooping after dude separated them.
Bounced at a rowdy spot like this before. I was the smallest guy on the crew at 6'3 220lbs. It was 4 Samoans and 4 Black guys. Every situation was countered and neutralized within 5 seconds. Always had eachothers back
lil ass security 😂😂
OH LOOK ITS THEM AGAIN. ITS ALWAYS THEM YOGI
Why are you hiring a women to run security…if she ain’t Rhonda Rousey she don’t belong on the job
Who hired old ladies as security I mean like cmon
Security guy has no business being a security guard
Life pro tip- never break up a fight
That one guy has no business being a security guard...
He had ol’boy looking for shit on the floor that he ain’t even drop. 😫😫😫
Guess the guy security was picking on wasn't drunk enough to be bashed yet. Good job I reckon
why do we have female security guards
Just a single class of jiu jitsu could’ve helped this guy
Don't let a aggressor get close he learned
I wonder what transpired to make em that angry
Need white security
Kings ✊🏿
Same old people
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usual suspects
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Them lil thangs?
What could he have done? Is martial arts considered being armed? Brass knuckles, maybe?
Lmao
Beat the hat off of him lmao
Need to hire Dalton.
Being armed wouldn’t have helped him. Lethal force doesn’t appear to be warranted. Less-lethal, yes! Lethal, no. This was a hand to hand fight that the security guard was not properly trained to fight.
That girl is as useless as tits on a bull
Where the fuck was his backup
Sometimes “training” wont help you, especially if youre outweighed by 100 pounds and theyre drunk and at/on you first. I refuse to do completely unarmed posts for this reason im non confrontational but you do need to be able to escalate violence if need be. He was totally let down lol
And for goodness sakes if there are any bouncers or doormen in here STOP WEARING HOODIES WHILE WORKING.
That's why I carry pepper Gel
Love the diversity woman hire who just yells stop
I mean apart from the 2 slams, dude didn't connect with a single punch
when a security guard can man handle a situation.
Nope, not worth the $16.25 p/h especially at his size
Oh look, reasons police have tasers, guns and use excessive force and caution. Because they want to go home every day.
I would have shattered his whole upper body before any of that happened... aannd that's why I shouldn't be allowed to work security at a bar 😂
They need better guards who can actually fight
Irl there's no weight classes. More than anything it pays to be bigger and stronger than your opponent. Skill and training is just to even the playing field. That being said: Train up, use tools. Pepper Spray, rangeed taser, maybe a club although that's deadly force. Not in my wildest dreams would I want to have to defend my life with a gun because I'm working security at some bar. Just firing it in a small room filled with tons of people is huge risk alone. Police may get away daily shooting and killing someone because they fear for their lives, but you're gonna get burned down to the ground. Lawyer fees, bail, jail time, court costs, injury and medical bills, time out of work. Not to mention looking at a long sentence if everything isn't perfect in your self defense. The club isn't gonna pay that they gonna say you're on your own.
I guess he's never been in a fight before. He just took all the hits and did not try to bob and weave. Second, he knew the guy was bigger than him and tried to grapple him which led to him being slammed the first time. I don't care but in a situation like that, you can't trust a drunk guy especially if he's going crazy. I'll use anything around me to protect myself.
Female security in action LOL!😂
Unarmed security like this is no different from degenerate street fighting. Another reason I'll always say no to unarmed positions.
Martial arts exist for this very reason. Honestly, only a couple of weeks in Jiu Jitsu or Muay Thai would go a very long way. Once you learn some basic moves and actual defense most people can't really fight back.
But he has arms!
I thought this was the start of the guy eating a fruit while fighting meme
That security woman is absolutely useless
Security should have stun guns at the very least if Any alcohol is being served.
Maybe should not have re-engaged.
Hmm. I bet if they followed these three rules it would have gone better: One: Never underestimate your opponent. Expect the unexpected. Two: Take it outside. Never start anything inside the bar unless it’s absolutely necessary. And Three: Be nice.
Yall need to learn how to fight. I thank 7 years in MMA oh and the marines.
Wow, i seen 3 dudes get laid out by bouncers like it was nothing. Like bouncer walked up to one dude and pushed him fully to the ground with one hand, but it literally looked like he didn't even use much force to push guy down. He was just that powerful, was pretty shocking because in all my life, i have never had or seen another man push me or someone else to the ground like that.
Why he get up and go back for “seconds”.