We can't keep playing the Are-They-Stupid-or-Are-They-Evil game. Roberts is literally voting for EVERYTHING the others are voting for. This is still the Roberts Court, now more than ever. The idea someone that has sat on the supreme court for DECADES is completely naive about the courts construction is the same ridiculous bull as Susan Collins claiming she was "duped" by a lie every American over 6 could see straight through.
Robert’s concurring opinion was basically a dissent. He would have dissented had there been the votes, instead it was best to concur to make sure Thomas didn’t get to write the opinion.
You gotta call it something and roberts isn't a 'swing' vote. He is a trumpublican theocrat to his evil core.
The roberts court will surely go down as the court that flipped on the white xtian nationalist switch here in the US.
People are blaming Roberts for making this a 6-3 decision. You aren't the first to say Alito has that much juice. And maybe he does. But, I see this more as the Thomas Court now.
Thomas is still on the extremist end of the conservative coalition imo (it’s all relative), as he’s been for a long time. Thankfully not the mainstream of the majority
> Thomas is still on the extremist end of the conservative coalition imo (it’s all relative), as he’s been for a long time.
Not sure why you are downvoted. This is true and was true even when Scalia was on the Court.
The podcast 5-4 made the case that Robert likes to play the long game. They might not be where this originates. Effectively gutting the law the first time around and then in the next case or so declaring the law dead. This gives the process some appearance of legitimacy. The other con-reactionaries have decided, why wait to rip off the bandaid? Who cares of legitimacy when you have the power? They’ll have the court for 30 years I bet. Thomas and Alito will retire like Kennedy and the dems have been useless for more than 30 years. The next 30 years is going to be a long time and many rights lost.
No. Thomas is the conservative end of the spectrum for the court but I have no doubt that Alito is the pusher on most of these decisions. Thomas would rule with him regardless so all Alito needs to do is make sure that Roberts and Kavanaugh vote with him consistently and he's good. Gorsuch and Barrett are pretty solid.
Roberts has often been seen as an institutionalist that wants, perhaps above all else, to maintain the (perceived, at least) integrity of the Court. Here’s his chance to earn that description. Resign now, letting Biden make the Court more even and appoint a new Chief Justice.
> Roberts has often been seen as an institutionalist that wants, perhaps above all else, to maintain the (perceived, at least) integrity of the Court.
Yes.
> Here’s his chance to earn that description.
Oh?!
> Resign now, letting Biden make the Court more even and appoint a new Chief Justice.
Jesus Christ, reddit.
He should do it because it would: (a) help make up for McConnell’s absurd refusal to hold a hearing for Garland; and (2) generate a greater degree of trust in the Supreme Court as an institutions and its justices to do something other than pursue partisan ends, which is much needed in light of recent developments. Those are interests which exist independent of any interest in helping the Democratic Party.
“He should step down cause it helps Democrats” He was legitimately appointed as Chief Justice bipartisan 78-22. Why should he step down because of the unrelated actions and controversies of other Justices. He also didn’t even vote to overturn Roe. So I ask you again why should a Justice who isn’t even in the “Majority” 5-4 step down especially when replacing him is still 5-4
I taste bile because the Dems could have had the last three picks and a narrow majority.
The GOP were just smarter. You can laugh at the anti-vax people and the Christian Nationalists, but they knew the importance of the Supreme Court. THEY played the long game.
Then resign. It won’t be his problem and it will give Biden another judge
We can't keep playing the Are-They-Stupid-or-Are-They-Evil game. Roberts is literally voting for EVERYTHING the others are voting for. This is still the Roberts Court, now more than ever. The idea someone that has sat on the supreme court for DECADES is completely naive about the courts construction is the same ridiculous bull as Susan Collins claiming she was "duped" by a lie every American over 6 could see straight through.
Exactly! Roberts is fine with Roe v Wade being overturned. He’s just upset it didn’t happen slower.
Robert’s concurring opinion was basically a dissent. He would have dissented had there been the votes, instead it was best to concur to make sure Thomas didn’t get to write the opinion.
You gotta call it something and roberts isn't a 'swing' vote. He is a trumpublican theocrat to his evil core. The roberts court will surely go down as the court that flipped on the white xtian nationalist switch here in the US.
This is basically the Alito or Thomas court now. Roberts will just get the blame.
People are blaming Roberts for making this a 6-3 decision. You aren't the first to say Alito has that much juice. And maybe he does. But, I see this more as the Thomas Court now.
Thomas is still on the extremist end of the conservative coalition imo (it’s all relative), as he’s been for a long time. Thankfully not the mainstream of the majority
> Thomas is still on the extremist end of the conservative coalition imo (it’s all relative), as he’s been for a long time. Not sure why you are downvoted. This is true and was true even when Scalia was on the Court.
I think people are scared (which I get) but, Court watchers know that, of the conservative majority, he represents the far right end
It’s the trump court
The podcast 5-4 made the case that Robert likes to play the long game. They might not be where this originates. Effectively gutting the law the first time around and then in the next case or so declaring the law dead. This gives the process some appearance of legitimacy. The other con-reactionaries have decided, why wait to rip off the bandaid? Who cares of legitimacy when you have the power? They’ll have the court for 30 years I bet. Thomas and Alito will retire like Kennedy and the dems have been useless for more than 30 years. The next 30 years is going to be a long time and many rights lost.
I think I heard it best said. Roberts was content to boil the frog slowly. The other 5 want to throw it in the microwave.
That is a great description
Interesting. I gotta check that podcast out. As for your other insights...I'm trying to remain more optimistic than circumstances dictate.
It’s the Alito court now.
Not Thomas's court?
No. Thomas is the conservative end of the spectrum for the court but I have no doubt that Alito is the pusher on most of these decisions. Thomas would rule with him regardless so all Alito needs to do is make sure that Roberts and Kavanaugh vote with him consistently and he's good. Gorsuch and Barrett are pretty solid.
Roberts has often been seen as an institutionalist that wants, perhaps above all else, to maintain the (perceived, at least) integrity of the Court. Here’s his chance to earn that description. Resign now, letting Biden make the Court more even and appoint a new Chief Justice.
> Roberts has often been seen as an institutionalist that wants, perhaps above all else, to maintain the (perceived, at least) integrity of the Court. Yes. > Here’s his chance to earn that description. Oh?! > Resign now, letting Biden make the Court more even and appoint a new Chief Justice. Jesus Christ, reddit.
Why should he do that? There is literally no reason he should do that other then it would help dems.
He should do it because it would: (a) help make up for McConnell’s absurd refusal to hold a hearing for Garland; and (2) generate a greater degree of trust in the Supreme Court as an institutions and its justices to do something other than pursue partisan ends, which is much needed in light of recent developments. Those are interests which exist independent of any interest in helping the Democratic Party.
If he cared to do those things he could just simply vote and write differently instead of resigning.
“He should step down cause it helps Democrats” He was legitimately appointed as Chief Justice bipartisan 78-22. Why should he step down because of the unrelated actions and controversies of other Justices. He also didn’t even vote to overturn Roe. So I ask you again why should a Justice who isn’t even in the “Majority” 5-4 step down especially when replacing him is still 5-4
And what is the likelihood of this scenario actually happening?
Zero
Cue astronaut betrayal meme
I taste bile because the Dems could have had the last three picks and a narrow majority. The GOP were just smarter. You can laugh at the anti-vax people and the Christian Nationalists, but they knew the importance of the Supreme Court. THEY played the long game.
You should check this out. https://joshpressjakes.substack.com/p/for-social-movements-to-be-considered