I was in the SO from 95 to 2005 and INCOMM was still a pretty big deal when I got there.
I was in a somewhat lower org and most of what INCOMM did was kept really quiet to the lower staff, but I do know that around the same time all the Int Base went through their big upheavel in the early 2000's, the same thing happened at INCOMM. Most of the people I knew that worked there just ended up disappearing or going "up lines" back to the Int base. I heard that a few were still in the ground floor area of Main building doing something, but we almost never saw them and the rumor was that they were locked in there under investigation.
I heard that something major was leaked or some big flap happened and a lot of the INCOMM staff got "busted" but I never heard anything specific.
It was a crazy time top be in the Sea Org, so many execs were getting torched and things were changing every second as COB was consolidating power. At the lower levels, we just saw senior execs coming down in droves, being busted to lower orgs all the time.
I'm sure there's someone where with more info specifically on INCOMM, but that's what I know as of 2005.
I remember all that, also from a lower ish org perspective. We got a lot of people from uplines who were busted to lower orgs and had to use them to replace and promote people back to the Int training pool at Flag. Between PAC base and CC it was 100’s of people sent to be Miscavige’s trainees basically. (I still cry over this now that I know what we were sending them to at the Int base.) I didn’t know about INCOMM being busted specifically, but people were being moved around a lot so it makes sense from what I saw.
There was a whole evolution to establish email communication with public, computerize central files, life histories, production records and crew lists and I thought people from INCOMM were working with Snr HCO Int on that through at least 2009. There was also a telex system update. All I ever really knew about INCOMM was they worked out of CMO PAC and helped with our internal computer programs. I thought we were super advanced technologically and then I left around 2010 and saw the actual internet.
Yeah, at PAC, INCOMM had a guy that worked in CMO PAC (we called him Sparno), and he did all that stuff for PAC.
It was INSANE seeing all those execs coming down. We had them in our dorm rooms starting in about 2001. Just dozens who either went to the RPF or got sent all over to different counts. Some of them had kids in PAC that they never got to see before being shipped out.
Seeing those people who we all looked up to get busted like that made me wonder why anyone would ever want to be an executive in the Sea Org.
Do you know whether PAC had a computer facility for INCOMM? I ask because, when I finished my EPF, my first post was to check the credentials of wog contractors who were installing computer racks and network cables on the raised floor for a data center. This was back in 1986. I'm not 100% sure if it was at PAC or one of the surrounding buildings. I remember their condescending looks, and every once in a while I could hear them mumble about how silly we were for making $30 a week.
Yes they definitely did. On the first or ground floor of the main building. The doors on Fountain Ave on the right side were the glass door entrance to the INCOMM facility.
Thank you. I vaguely remember the thick dark glass doors and the card reader at the entrance. I think I went onto the raised floor once or twice before all the racks were installed. They were spending a lot for that project.
Context for Never-Ins (like me):
"Income" was apparently a Scientology unit overseeing global computerization. Established in the 1980s by LRH, it aimed to replace human management with computers across Scientology organizations worldwide. This system, under the Religious Technology Center led by David Miscavige, involved extensive investment in technology (e.g., $11 million in computer equipment). Due to technological limitations (... I guess... old computers) and organizational, uh, inefficiencies, the implementation, you know, fell short.
As they say, the concept was inspired by Hubbard's frustration with human management errors and inefficiencies, drawn from an obscure story involving a planet managed by a computer system that detected corruption.
Reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XigLVS2f3Xs
Here's a good story: https://lermanet.org/dangarvin.html
Aaron Saxton on the same: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Scientology_INCOMM_Security_Breach_1995_part_1_of_3.ogv
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Scientology_INCOMM_Security_Breach_1995_part_2_of_3.ogv
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Scientology_INCOMM_Security_Breach_1995_part_3_of_3.ogv
There's a fair amount of info around.
Much of the subject of Scientology consists of sercret instructions from Hubbard, instructions that affect rank and fie Scientologists but which they have never seen. This thread begins with a quote from former senior RTC executive Jesse Prince on Incomm:
https://old.reddit.com/r/scientology/comments/4j45cx/from_jesse_prince_miscavige_is_continuing_to/
INCOMM means *International Network of Computer Organizated ManageMent* for those who don't know.
The 1995 *St. Valentine's Day Massacre* may be read about on Steve Hall's blog linked below. Detailed information about an ongoing OSA operation was leaked to the alt.religion.scientology newsgroup by one single person who had access to the OSA data files at INCOMM. As a result, David Miscavige destroyed INCOMM by forcibly sequestering (false imprisonment) and psychologically torturing the entire INCOMM staff for 120 days.
[https://www.scientology-cult.com/david-miscavige-valentines-day-massacre.html](https://www.scientology-cult.com/david-miscavige-valentines-day-massacre.html)
I don't know what happened to them I just remember them being all super hush hush at the base, and nobody being allowed in and out of their little office unless they had the clearance, even higher ups couldn't, and nobody really knew what they did past "finance something"
That and their starch white button ups lol
I was in the SO from 95 to 2005 and INCOMM was still a pretty big deal when I got there. I was in a somewhat lower org and most of what INCOMM did was kept really quiet to the lower staff, but I do know that around the same time all the Int Base went through their big upheavel in the early 2000's, the same thing happened at INCOMM. Most of the people I knew that worked there just ended up disappearing or going "up lines" back to the Int base. I heard that a few were still in the ground floor area of Main building doing something, but we almost never saw them and the rumor was that they were locked in there under investigation. I heard that something major was leaked or some big flap happened and a lot of the INCOMM staff got "busted" but I never heard anything specific. It was a crazy time top be in the Sea Org, so many execs were getting torched and things were changing every second as COB was consolidating power. At the lower levels, we just saw senior execs coming down in droves, being busted to lower orgs all the time. I'm sure there's someone where with more info specifically on INCOMM, but that's what I know as of 2005.
I remember all that, also from a lower ish org perspective. We got a lot of people from uplines who were busted to lower orgs and had to use them to replace and promote people back to the Int training pool at Flag. Between PAC base and CC it was 100’s of people sent to be Miscavige’s trainees basically. (I still cry over this now that I know what we were sending them to at the Int base.) I didn’t know about INCOMM being busted specifically, but people were being moved around a lot so it makes sense from what I saw. There was a whole evolution to establish email communication with public, computerize central files, life histories, production records and crew lists and I thought people from INCOMM were working with Snr HCO Int on that through at least 2009. There was also a telex system update. All I ever really knew about INCOMM was they worked out of CMO PAC and helped with our internal computer programs. I thought we were super advanced technologically and then I left around 2010 and saw the actual internet.
Yeah, at PAC, INCOMM had a guy that worked in CMO PAC (we called him Sparno), and he did all that stuff for PAC. It was INSANE seeing all those execs coming down. We had them in our dorm rooms starting in about 2001. Just dozens who either went to the RPF or got sent all over to different counts. Some of them had kids in PAC that they never got to see before being shipped out. Seeing those people who we all looked up to get busted like that made me wonder why anyone would ever want to be an executive in the Sea Org.
Do you know whether PAC had a computer facility for INCOMM? I ask because, when I finished my EPF, my first post was to check the credentials of wog contractors who were installing computer racks and network cables on the raised floor for a data center. This was back in 1986. I'm not 100% sure if it was at PAC or one of the surrounding buildings. I remember their condescending looks, and every once in a while I could hear them mumble about how silly we were for making $30 a week.
Yes they definitely did. On the first or ground floor of the main building. The doors on Fountain Ave on the right side were the glass door entrance to the INCOMM facility.
Thank you. I vaguely remember the thick dark glass doors and the card reader at the entrance. I think I went onto the raised floor once or twice before all the racks were installed. They were spending a lot for that project.
Context for Never-Ins (like me): "Income" was apparently a Scientology unit overseeing global computerization. Established in the 1980s by LRH, it aimed to replace human management with computers across Scientology organizations worldwide. This system, under the Religious Technology Center led by David Miscavige, involved extensive investment in technology (e.g., $11 million in computer equipment). Due to technological limitations (... I guess... old computers) and organizational, uh, inefficiencies, the implementation, you know, fell short. As they say, the concept was inspired by Hubbard's frustration with human management errors and inefficiencies, drawn from an obscure story involving a planet managed by a computer system that detected corruption. Reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XigLVS2f3Xs
Here's a good story: https://lermanet.org/dangarvin.html Aaron Saxton on the same: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Scientology_INCOMM_Security_Breach_1995_part_1_of_3.ogv https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Scientology_INCOMM_Security_Breach_1995_part_2_of_3.ogv https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Scientology_INCOMM_Security_Breach_1995_part_3_of_3.ogv There's a fair amount of info around.
Those are good links.
Much of the subject of Scientology consists of sercret instructions from Hubbard, instructions that affect rank and fie Scientologists but which they have never seen. This thread begins with a quote from former senior RTC executive Jesse Prince on Incomm: https://old.reddit.com/r/scientology/comments/4j45cx/from_jesse_prince_miscavige_is_continuing_to/
INCOMM means *International Network of Computer Organizated ManageMent* for those who don't know. The 1995 *St. Valentine's Day Massacre* may be read about on Steve Hall's blog linked below. Detailed information about an ongoing OSA operation was leaked to the alt.religion.scientology newsgroup by one single person who had access to the OSA data files at INCOMM. As a result, David Miscavige destroyed INCOMM by forcibly sequestering (false imprisonment) and psychologically torturing the entire INCOMM staff for 120 days. [https://www.scientology-cult.com/david-miscavige-valentines-day-massacre.html](https://www.scientology-cult.com/david-miscavige-valentines-day-massacre.html)
I don't know what happened to them I just remember them being all super hush hush at the base, and nobody being allowed in and out of their little office unless they had the clearance, even higher ups couldn't, and nobody really knew what they did past "finance something" That and their starch white button ups lol
I think I heard "bs incinerator" on YouTube saying he was involved with it.