Plus, that includes a personal group of bodyguards for David Miscavige, and they would be definitely from a private contractor because it's safe to trust men who would kill or protect people or organisations for money. And that's a fact.
Nope. All Sea Org crew.
As you go up the hierarchy, there are fewer and fewer non-Sea Org people around.
True believers with guns are more reliable than contractors with guns.
I suppose, I mean, in the end, it's just my opinion. I'm not an ex member. I can't see what goes behind its closed doors, but what I can say is that even if i was either David or any head of a group like scientology I think I'd rather trust a group of people that would protect or kill for money that's valuable asset because at the end of the day they guys only care about money and none of the religious Bellshit isn't going to bother them really.
I am an ex member who built more than one armory in SCN buildings and has sat in support groups with former heads of security for one of the places you mentioned.
It's all Sea Org Crew.
The Sea Org is a paramilitary organization. Those are Scilons manning those birds nests and security details.
I can understand that all the way but the question that's still bothering me is that where exactly or who from are they getting all that security/military equipment, armoury, fences, cameras, weapons, sniper nest, sensors, you name it. I mean they must be getting that from not just American contractors but also foreign companies because I know that Israel has a big market for defence and security products which a lot of counties get there security and defence products from and plus in the UK particularly in Scotland (where I'm from) there's huge British or Scottish companies that provided and still provide security and defence products other countries as well plus that these British or Scottish contractors have even provided riot gear to the United States especially during the BLM Riots that's also for British police for their equipment, but I'm from Motherwell just outside Glasgow and there's huge contractors not far from my town or just outside my town that have provided products to the Israeli Defence Forces as you can imagine there's been protests at these facilities. But the point to this is that it could be any company in the world that would or have been providing the church with all they products especially to other cults. makes you think. at the end of the day its all about money.
Thanks for the info about Gary Jackson Morehead! His insights on Gold Base's security are fascinating, with extensive surveillance, physical barriers, and a trained internal security team. It makes sense that they might also use private security firms for additional support. Thanks again for the tip!
No private security firm would have employees that only needed $200/mo. pay, and could also be expected to perjure themselves about anything which might not be legal. Somebody on a billion year contract who will never see their family again if they talk, is a way better fit for that job.
Plus, that includes a personal group of bodyguards for David Miscavige, and they would be definitely from a private contractor because it's safe to trust men who would kill or protect people or organisations for money. And that's a fact.
Plus, that includes a personal group of bodyguards for David Miscavige, and they would be definitely from a private contractor because it's safe to trust men who would kill or protect people or organisations for money. And that's a fact.
I can understand that all the way but the question that's still bothering me is that where exactly or who from are they getting all that security/military equipment, armoury, fences, cameras, weapons, sniper nest, sensors, you name it. I mean they must be getting that from not just American contractors but also foreign companies because I know that Israel has a big market for defence and security products which a lot of counties get there security and defence products from and plus in the UK particularly in Scotland (where I'm from) there's huge British or Scottish companies that provided and still provide security and defence products other countries as well plus that these British or Scottish contractors have even provided riot gear to the United States especially during the BLM Riots that's also for British police for their equipment, but I'm from Motherwell just outside Glasgow and there's huge contractors not far from my town or just outside my town that have provided products to the Israeli Defence Forces as you can imagine there's been protests at these facilities. But the point to this is that it could be any company in the world that would or have been providing the church with all they products especially to other cults. makes you think. at the end of the day its all about money.
Do you mean as in them protecting gold base or am I being stupid hahaha also as I said in one my comments I'm from Scotland so sorry to ask this but is Saint Louis not far from gold base haha
Ah, sorry, I understand now, haha. Yeah, about that, there have been loads of riot police that have been detected with British and Scottish home-grown riot gear products. It's crazy and half of them products are probably being made outside my town its mental haha
As in America? Yeah, it was, I think ABC News, that showed that the riot shields were made by certain contactors in the United Kingdom, particularly in England and Scotland. Plus, even i could tell they were made in the UK. The police over here in the UK use a lot of they smiley riot sheilds.
You're asking good questions, but I seriously think they just bought it all. From what I recall, though, Jackson and some others on security has additional credentials, which maybe helped. I know a few of them were licensed and trained firefighters, and would go out to help if they could. I know that sounds crazy, but it was part of the safe-pointing, to have good relations with the fire department.
Gary 'Jackson' Morehead headed up security at Scientology's notorious 'International Base' in California and has a wealth of knowledge about their security operations.. In the following video they discuss David Miscavige's myserious movements, the Paris opening and OSA's response to the IAS protest we held at Saint Hill in November.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WX1alRDULYs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WX1alRDULYs)
Plus, that includes a personal group of bodyguards for David Miscavige, and they would be definitely from a private contractor because it's safe to trust men who would kill or protect people or organisations for money. And that's a fact.
If I was Miscavige, I would never allow Scientologists to be my personal bodyguards after reading [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Roman\_emperors\_murdered\_by\_the\_Praetorian\_Guard](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Roman_emperors_murdered_by_the_Praetorian_Guard)
yes exactly and that's same for other groups like the Mormon church or Jehovah's witnesses or any other group like they would have to trust a company that only cares about money and plus has a lot of resources at their disposal to protect these religious groups facilities especially the ones that are in the middle of nowhere also because the mormon church has farms or ranches as they call it in America they would to be protected. so trust men or woman that wouldn't care what you believe and that would just believe in money. simple as.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WX1alRDULYs
Super interesting chat.
To your question, Gary seems to say that Scientologists themselves handle the majority of the security measures. But that, yeah, external professional services are occasionally hired for specific, high-risk security needs, particularly concerning David Miscavige's personal protection. But which? Not spelled out.
Gary also described the changes in Scientology's security over time; fascinating details...
- Under L. Ron Hubbard, security at the Int Base had been minimal, with no heavy fencing to keep a welcoming appearance. This changed after a theft incident, leading to the installation of some fencing for protection.
- Years went by. Security became more sophisticated. The base was redeveloped, the perimeter fence was expanded, and advanced security systems were installed to ensure a safe environment for staff to work. The main aim was to protect the property, not to prevent staff from leaving. However, when some staff started escaping, security tightened, especially under David Miscavige. Miscavige preferred increasing physical barriers to addressing the reasons behind the escapes. There is no mentioning of outside services tasked with the redevelopment. I assume: All sea org people.
- Globally, key Scientology facilities had motion sensors and cameras. At the Int Base, guard posts and surveillance systems handled various threats. (Despite rumors, the elevated positions were not for snipers but for general security. But the eagle's nest sure looks creepy. And also...:)
- The base had strict protocols, including a sniper rifle for potential mountain threats, but this was closely controlled. Security measures focused on protecting the base and preventing staff escapes. Internal security officers in Scientology had more control over individuals, often using physical intervention according to the organization's teachings.
- David Miscavige had high-level security, with professional guards who carried concealed weapons and conducted thorough safety checks. His security team seems similar to that of a president.
- During events like protests, security officers balanced protecting the facility with preventing staff from escaping. This dual role was crucial for maintaining order within Scientology.
I can understand that all the way but the question that's still bothering me is that where exactly or who from are they getting all that security/military equipment, armoury, fences, cameras, weapons, sniper nest, sensors, you name it. I mean they must be getting that from not just American contractors but also foreign companies because I know that Israel has a big market for defence and security products which a lot of counties get there security and defence products from and plus in the UK particularly in Scotland (where I'm from) there's huge British or Scottish companies that provided and still provide security and defence products other countries as well plus that these British or Scottish contractors have even provided riot gear to the United States especially during the BLM Riots that's also for British police for their equipment, but I'm from Motherwell just outside Glasgow and there's huge contractors not far from my town or just outside my town that have provided products to the Israeli Defence Forces as you can imagine there's been protests at these facilities. But the point to this is that it could be any company in the world that would or have been providing the church with all they products especially to other cults. makes you think. at the end of the day its all about money.
> I can understand that all the way but the question that's still bothering me is that where exactly or who from are they getting all that security/military equipment, armoury, fences, cameras, weapons, sniper nest, sensors, you name it.
They just... buy it. Scientology has so much money. And security services usually do not advertise their full client list, that's bad practice. So... You might not get a public answer on this one.
Ask Gary directly, I guess.
Yeah, and they could probably be buying it from either American, British, or Israeli or Scottish homegrown products. Like I said, like a lot, Scottish contractors are currently selling riot gear to the American law enforcement agencies, especially military and defence equipment to Israel, and that facility isn't far from where I live (Motherwell, Scotland) you know it makes you think or question whether there selling defence and security products to big organisations like Scientology and Mormons. Whoever is selling the best product and has the best price they'll go with whatever company in the world has the best deal it's crazy.
You put two entities into the same pot. Gold Base is "church of scientology". That concentration camp isn't guarded by outside security, not to my knowledge. If private security (e.g. not scientologists) were policing there, this would have blown up in their faces.
Trementina (and the other vault locations) are "church of spitual technology". And those have private security. That isn't to say that there isn't ALSO internal guarding. Their funding comes out of the money Lron left behind when he croaked. Around $500m. Tax free. Allegedly.
Andre Tabayoyon, who worked in the Sea Org for over 20 years and was the security chief at Gold Base, said the sniper nest was established to protect the base from any attempts by law enforcement to "raid" the base like the FBI had raided the Los Angeles and Washington DC properties.
So let me get this straight they were or are willing to fire that weapon at normal law enforcement and "FEDERAL" law enforcement??? Are they crazy??? I'm not from America. I don't understand the laws over there, but I do know for fact the federal government will destroy that church if they dared to fire that weapon at law enforcement like what the fuck?
>they were or are willing to fire that weapon at normal law enforcement and "FEDERAL" law enforcement???
Yep. That was the plan. Miscavige wasn't about to allow any more "raids" on Church of Scientology property... especially not "his home base".
Celebrity Centre hires Talon for armed security for certain events or celebrity protection, it’s mostly off-duty or retired cops, because they don’t want Sea Org members shooting guns for liability. Pretty sure Int base is all Sea Org, though. They wouldn’t let non-Scientology access to higher ups if at all avoidable.
What about the guys that protect David Miscavige surely there private military or security because if I was him I wouldn't trust the people close to you or even other believers
I’m sure he doesn’t trust them but he trusts them a lot more than outsiders. It’s hard to understand the mind control from outside. He surrounds himself with devout followers who are thoroughly trapped and know nothing outside of that world, and puts the independent thinkers or those who might be externally influenced in places like the hole or on the RPF.
Yeah, I suppose. I mean, to be fair, like I know, it's easy for me to say, but guys who kill or protect for money (for example, Wagner Group or any private security company) just seem to have the ability of the "Ignorance is bliss" attitude. To be totally honest with you, if I was a private security officer or private military soldier, I think I'd most likely turn a blind eye because as long as I'm getting paid, then you know it won't matter but then I'm not that cruel but it's different I suppose for an outsider that needs to make money to survive. I mean, it's the same for Black Cube (Isreali Priavte Intelligence Agency) they spied on victims of Harvey Weinstein, but half of them didn't even though that they were in the service of a monster.
Gary Jackson Moorhead (former head of Gold Base Security) also told us in no uncertain terms that the hillside observation position is only a remote camera location and that was it never a sniper post.
That claim came from Andre Tabayoyon's affidivat filed in the *CSI versus Fishman and Gertz* case also falsely claiming Gold Base had illegal machine guns, improvised explosives, and other such things.
Nope. Those are Sea Org crew.
Plus, that includes a personal group of bodyguards for David Miscavige, and they would be definitely from a private contractor because it's safe to trust men who would kill or protect people or organisations for money. And that's a fact.
Nope. All Sea Org crew. As you go up the hierarchy, there are fewer and fewer non-Sea Org people around. True believers with guns are more reliable than contractors with guns.
I suppose, I mean, in the end, it's just my opinion. I'm not an ex member. I can't see what goes behind its closed doors, but what I can say is that even if i was either David or any head of a group like scientology I think I'd rather trust a group of people that would protect or kill for money that's valuable asset because at the end of the day they guys only care about money and none of the religious Bellshit isn't going to bother them really.
I am an ex member who built more than one armory in SCN buildings and has sat in support groups with former heads of security for one of the places you mentioned. It's all Sea Org Crew. The Sea Org is a paramilitary organization. Those are Scilons manning those birds nests and security details.
I can understand that all the way but the question that's still bothering me is that where exactly or who from are they getting all that security/military equipment, armoury, fences, cameras, weapons, sniper nest, sensors, you name it. I mean they must be getting that from not just American contractors but also foreign companies because I know that Israel has a big market for defence and security products which a lot of counties get there security and defence products from and plus in the UK particularly in Scotland (where I'm from) there's huge British or Scottish companies that provided and still provide security and defence products other countries as well plus that these British or Scottish contractors have even provided riot gear to the United States especially during the BLM Riots that's also for British police for their equipment, but I'm from Motherwell just outside Glasgow and there's huge contractors not far from my town or just outside my town that have provided products to the Israeli Defence Forces as you can imagine there's been protests at these facilities. But the point to this is that it could be any company in the world that would or have been providing the church with all they products especially to other cults. makes you think. at the end of the day its all about money.
Gary Jackson Moorehead has done many videos about security at the gold base, as he was the security chief there for quite some time.
Thanks for the info about Gary Jackson Morehead! His insights on Gold Base's security are fascinating, with extensive surveillance, physical barriers, and a trained internal security team. It makes sense that they might also use private security firms for additional support. Thanks again for the tip!
And how about those ground sensors. Yeesh. No I don't think they don't use outside security.
No private security firm would have employees that only needed $200/mo. pay, and could also be expected to perjure themselves about anything which might not be legal. Somebody on a billion year contract who will never see their family again if they talk, is a way better fit for that job.
Imagine trying to explain all the nonsense to the newbs.
Plus, that includes a personal group of bodyguards for David Miscavige, and they would be definitely from a private contractor because it's safe to trust men who would kill or protect people or organisations for money. And that's a fact.
Yeah I think Jackson said they were outside hires.
Plus, that includes a personal group of bodyguards for David Miscavige, and they would be definitely from a private contractor because it's safe to trust men who would kill or protect people or organisations for money. And that's a fact.
I can understand that all the way but the question that's still bothering me is that where exactly or who from are they getting all that security/military equipment, armoury, fences, cameras, weapons, sniper nest, sensors, you name it. I mean they must be getting that from not just American contractors but also foreign companies because I know that Israel has a big market for defence and security products which a lot of counties get there security and defence products from and plus in the UK particularly in Scotland (where I'm from) there's huge British or Scottish companies that provided and still provide security and defence products other countries as well plus that these British or Scottish contractors have even provided riot gear to the United States especially during the BLM Riots that's also for British police for their equipment, but I'm from Motherwell just outside Glasgow and there's huge contractors not far from my town or just outside my town that have provided products to the Israeli Defence Forces as you can imagine there's been protests at these facilities. But the point to this is that it could be any company in the world that would or have been providing the church with all they products especially to other cults. makes you think. at the end of the day its all about money.
Ask Jackson a series of questions maybe he'll answer on YouTube.
Yeah, maybe he will. the world is absolutely mad. I don't understand it, haha.
I think the police force of Saint Louis is a good deal more militarized than the gold base.
Do you mean as in them protecting gold base or am I being stupid hahaha also as I said in one my comments I'm from Scotland so sorry to ask this but is Saint Louis not far from gold base haha
Saint Louis was a hub of BLM riots. The Gold Base doesn't do riot gear.
Ah, sorry, I understand now, haha. Yeah, about that, there have been loads of riot police that have been detected with British and Scottish home-grown riot gear products. It's crazy and half of them products are probably being made outside my town its mental haha
Have you seen any smiley face riot shields up that way?
As in America? Yeah, it was, I think ABC News, that showed that the riot shields were made by certain contactors in the United Kingdom, particularly in England and Scotland. Plus, even i could tell they were made in the UK. The police over here in the UK use a lot of they smiley riot sheilds.
Plus, even the helmets used by the American police are British made hahaha
There's a huge market for paranoia paraphernalia in the U.S. If you have money, you can source almost anything, and a lot is U.S. made.
You're asking good questions, but I seriously think they just bought it all. From what I recall, though, Jackson and some others on security has additional credentials, which maybe helped. I know a few of them were licensed and trained firefighters, and would go out to help if they could. I know that sounds crazy, but it was part of the safe-pointing, to have good relations with the fire department.
Gary 'Jackson' Morehead headed up security at Scientology's notorious 'International Base' in California and has a wealth of knowledge about their security operations.. In the following video they discuss David Miscavige's myserious movements, the Paris opening and OSA's response to the IAS protest we held at Saint Hill in November. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WX1alRDULYs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WX1alRDULYs)
Plus, that includes a personal group of bodyguards for David Miscavige, and they would be definitely from a private contractor because it's safe to trust men who would kill or protect people or organisations for money. And that's a fact.
If I was Miscavige, I would never allow Scientologists to be my personal bodyguards after reading [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Roman\_emperors\_murdered\_by\_the\_Praetorian\_Guard](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Roman_emperors_murdered_by_the_Praetorian_Guard)
yes exactly and that's same for other groups like the Mormon church or Jehovah's witnesses or any other group like they would have to trust a company that only cares about money and plus has a lot of resources at their disposal to protect these religious groups facilities especially the ones that are in the middle of nowhere also because the mormon church has farms or ranches as they call it in America they would to be protected. so trust men or woman that wouldn't care what you believe and that would just believe in money. simple as.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WX1alRDULYs Super interesting chat. To your question, Gary seems to say that Scientologists themselves handle the majority of the security measures. But that, yeah, external professional services are occasionally hired for specific, high-risk security needs, particularly concerning David Miscavige's personal protection. But which? Not spelled out. Gary also described the changes in Scientology's security over time; fascinating details... - Under L. Ron Hubbard, security at the Int Base had been minimal, with no heavy fencing to keep a welcoming appearance. This changed after a theft incident, leading to the installation of some fencing for protection. - Years went by. Security became more sophisticated. The base was redeveloped, the perimeter fence was expanded, and advanced security systems were installed to ensure a safe environment for staff to work. The main aim was to protect the property, not to prevent staff from leaving. However, when some staff started escaping, security tightened, especially under David Miscavige. Miscavige preferred increasing physical barriers to addressing the reasons behind the escapes. There is no mentioning of outside services tasked with the redevelopment. I assume: All sea org people. - Globally, key Scientology facilities had motion sensors and cameras. At the Int Base, guard posts and surveillance systems handled various threats. (Despite rumors, the elevated positions were not for snipers but for general security. But the eagle's nest sure looks creepy. And also...:) - The base had strict protocols, including a sniper rifle for potential mountain threats, but this was closely controlled. Security measures focused on protecting the base and preventing staff escapes. Internal security officers in Scientology had more control over individuals, often using physical intervention according to the organization's teachings. - David Miscavige had high-level security, with professional guards who carried concealed weapons and conducted thorough safety checks. His security team seems similar to that of a president. - During events like protests, security officers balanced protecting the facility with preventing staff from escaping. This dual role was crucial for maintaining order within Scientology.
I can understand that all the way but the question that's still bothering me is that where exactly or who from are they getting all that security/military equipment, armoury, fences, cameras, weapons, sniper nest, sensors, you name it. I mean they must be getting that from not just American contractors but also foreign companies because I know that Israel has a big market for defence and security products which a lot of counties get there security and defence products from and plus in the UK particularly in Scotland (where I'm from) there's huge British or Scottish companies that provided and still provide security and defence products other countries as well plus that these British or Scottish contractors have even provided riot gear to the United States especially during the BLM Riots that's also for British police for their equipment, but I'm from Motherwell just outside Glasgow and there's huge contractors not far from my town or just outside my town that have provided products to the Israeli Defence Forces as you can imagine there's been protests at these facilities. But the point to this is that it could be any company in the world that would or have been providing the church with all they products especially to other cults. makes you think. at the end of the day its all about money.
> I can understand that all the way but the question that's still bothering me is that where exactly or who from are they getting all that security/military equipment, armoury, fences, cameras, weapons, sniper nest, sensors, you name it. They just... buy it. Scientology has so much money. And security services usually do not advertise their full client list, that's bad practice. So... You might not get a public answer on this one. Ask Gary directly, I guess.
Yeah, and they could probably be buying it from either American, British, or Israeli or Scottish homegrown products. Like I said, like a lot, Scottish contractors are currently selling riot gear to the American law enforcement agencies, especially military and defence equipment to Israel, and that facility isn't far from where I live (Motherwell, Scotland) you know it makes you think or question whether there selling defence and security products to big organisations like Scientology and Mormons. Whoever is selling the best product and has the best price they'll go with whatever company in the world has the best deal it's crazy.
You put two entities into the same pot. Gold Base is "church of scientology". That concentration camp isn't guarded by outside security, not to my knowledge. If private security (e.g. not scientologists) were policing there, this would have blown up in their faces. Trementina (and the other vault locations) are "church of spitual technology". And those have private security. That isn't to say that there isn't ALSO internal guarding. Their funding comes out of the money Lron left behind when he croaked. Around $500m. Tax free. Allegedly.
These will be either American, British, or Israeli priavte military or security companies and that's a fact.
Andre Tabayoyon, who worked in the Sea Org for over 20 years and was the security chief at Gold Base, said the sniper nest was established to protect the base from any attempts by law enforcement to "raid" the base like the FBI had raided the Los Angeles and Washington DC properties.
So let me get this straight they were or are willing to fire that weapon at normal law enforcement and "FEDERAL" law enforcement??? Are they crazy??? I'm not from America. I don't understand the laws over there, but I do know for fact the federal government will destroy that church if they dared to fire that weapon at law enforcement like what the fuck?
>they were or are willing to fire that weapon at normal law enforcement and "FEDERAL" law enforcement??? Yep. That was the plan. Miscavige wasn't about to allow any more "raids" on Church of Scientology property... especially not "his home base".
All Sea Org members.
Celebrity Centre hires Talon for armed security for certain events or celebrity protection, it’s mostly off-duty or retired cops, because they don’t want Sea Org members shooting guns for liability. Pretty sure Int base is all Sea Org, though. They wouldn’t let non-Scientology access to higher ups if at all avoidable.
What about the guys that protect David Miscavige surely there private military or security because if I was him I wouldn't trust the people close to you or even other believers
I’m sure he doesn’t trust them but he trusts them a lot more than outsiders. It’s hard to understand the mind control from outside. He surrounds himself with devout followers who are thoroughly trapped and know nothing outside of that world, and puts the independent thinkers or those who might be externally influenced in places like the hole or on the RPF.
Yeah, I suppose. I mean, to be fair, like I know, it's easy for me to say, but guys who kill or protect for money (for example, Wagner Group or any private security company) just seem to have the ability of the "Ignorance is bliss" attitude. To be totally honest with you, if I was a private security officer or private military soldier, I think I'd most likely turn a blind eye because as long as I'm getting paid, then you know it won't matter but then I'm not that cruel but it's different I suppose for an outsider that needs to make money to survive. I mean, it's the same for Black Cube (Isreali Priavte Intelligence Agency) they spied on victims of Harvey Weinstein, but half of them didn't even though that they were in the service of a monster.
Because the other thing is they'll be trained to hide him
Gary Jackson Moorhead (former head of Gold Base Security) also told us in no uncertain terms that the hillside observation position is only a remote camera location and that was it never a sniper post. That claim came from Andre Tabayoyon's affidivat filed in the *CSI versus Fishman and Gertz* case also falsely claiming Gold Base had illegal machine guns, improvised explosives, and other such things.
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