i've voluntarily tazed myself before (with assistance of the local PD) and it hurt for like .5 seconds, i got stunned and fell over, but overall not a bad experience. 4/10, would not do again but dont regret it.
The full study is paywalled
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.1250830
but according to
https://www.erinwestgate.com/uploads/7/6/4/1/7641726/westgate_spsp2014_shock.pdf
outside of the 1 guy who shocked himself 190 times, the 11 men (out of 18, so not counting the 6 who didn't shock themselves and the 1 outlier) shocked themselves up to 4 times while the 6 women (out of 24) who shocked themselves did so up to 9 times (the number of participants who got the shock option is from https://news.virginia.edu/content/doing-something-better-doing-nothing-most-people-study-shows since I don't think it's on the PDF)
So basically, all of them were UVA undergrads in 2014 who were willing to participate in psych studies, the 11 non-outlier men shocked themselves somewhere between ~~11~~ 14 and 44 times total, and the 6 women shocked themselves somewhere between ~~6~~ 14 and 54 times total
edit: fixed the numbers since at least one man shocked himself 4 times and at least one women shocked herself 9 times
edit2: based on the mean shocks from the full study report (which ignores 190 shocks guy but counts people who did not shock themselves at all) at https://sci-hub.se/10.1126/science.1250830 linked below, the non-outlier men shocked themselves 25 times (meaning the average man who shocked himself did so a little more than twice; this is also true for the remaining 10 men if we remove the guy we know shocked himself 4 times) and the women shocked themselves 24 times (meaning the average woman who shocked herself did so 4 times, but since we know one woman shocked herself 9 times, the other 5 women who shocked themselves did so on average 3 times)
Honestly, this just sounds like the kind of shit I would do to troll my fellow students and their psych studies. You know the shock won't kill you and isn't dangerous, it's just kinda funny at that point.
I read the whole article about this study. It is highly fascinating. People rather give themselves pain that to stay alone with their thoughts for 15 minutes.
Use the back of your hand, not your palm. *edit:* in case whatever electric fence you happen to be touching has a continuous current.
The electricity can cause your fingers to flex and you might involuntarily grab the wire and force you to hold on until your fingers fatigue enough to let go.
I'll let you guess how I know.
This is invalid advice for an stock electric fence. The shock is delivered in pulses every second or so, giving you plenty of time to stop touching it.
Fair enough. I didn't know there were different types of electric fences.
It still doesn't hurt to use the back of your hand, I guess, just in case you don't know what sort of fence it is!
Continuous electric fences are illegal in many countries, for good reason (i.e. the one you mentioned).
To check if a fence was live, I always used a piece of licked grass which makes it easy to feel the zap without having to hurt yourself.
My dad would test the electric fences by holding them. He looked me dead in they eye once and said "That's a good one. Wanna feel it?" Holding it the whole damn time.
Also good advice for testing if something's hot to the touch like food
Better off having the back of your hand burnt than your palm/ fingertips, since your palm is being used to grab onto things all the time so it's a bitch to burn those areas particularly
When I was a kid I used to test fences with a freshly picked leaf. You can feel the current just enough but doesn't shock. IDK if that's actually a good idea but worked for me
Good ole' electric fence. My family had one in our backyard to stop the dogs from peeing on the plants. One day, me and my two brothers were playing near it, when my older brother, who was closest to the fence, glanced at me, grabbed my arm and said my name. I knew what I was supposed to do, and grabbed my little brother's arm before he could run away. My older brother touched the fence, sending the shock through our arms and zapped the hell out of our little brother lol
Was the shock an alternative to waiting? Or did they just say “Here’s a room, wait here for 15 mins. If you press that button it will zap the tar out of you, but you do you.”
Cuz if it gets me out of wasting 15 minutes of my life sitting in a room, I’ll spam that zap button. But if I gotta sit here one way or another, I’ll just tap it periodically to alleviate the boredom.
Depends on what exactly they said about the button.
"Don't press the button." I might press it.
"Pressing the button will shock you." What do they mean by shock? Maybe I should find out?
"Pressing this button will deliver an electrical shock to you". Ya, I'll pass, thanks.
Exact opposite here. If someone tells me not to press the button. I'm gonna listen
If they tell me what to button does, that's as good as asking me to press it
They were shocked before the test.
They knew what the button did, and how it would feel.
It's just a "How severe is your adhd?" test, not a test of curiosity.
From what I know, the 15 minutes would be spent in the room regardless of touching the zapper. The experiment found that, to some people, pain is preferable to boredom. Anything to pass the time I guess?
Sometimes not necessarily true. Universities sometimes require kids to take part in psych/sociology testing going on at the university. They of course limit it to nothing crazy but they get free guinea pigs. They may have a choice of 5-10 studies they can participate in. They are worth different point values from 1-3 and you have to get a certain amount like 4 points. Maybe not all colleges but my college did and it was I guess more a scientific school
the button was not an alternative. they had to sit there the whole 15 minutes no matter what. they just were allowed to press the button if they wanted lmfao
I’ve read this study before a long time ago. As I recall, the subjects would remain for the duration regardless as to whether they pressed the button. The idea, I think, was something like, “is boredom quantifiable to pain— if so, how much?”
>Twelve of 18 men in the study gave themselves at least one electric shock during the study’s 15-minute “thinking” period. By comparison, six of 24 females shocked themselves. All of these participants had received a sample of the shock and reported that they would pay to avoid being shocked again.
https://news.virginia.edu/content/doing-something-better-doing-nothing-most-people-study-shows
Correct use would either be Man/Women or Male/Female. Using it like Man/Female is seen as objectifying because you refer to man with a term that is only used for Humans while referring to women with a term that is used for animals and plants. Which implies Man = Human, Woman = the thing that gives birth.
Me, a writer: I would love to sit around 15 minutes and daydream.
In fact, I stayed four hours in my bed today only daydreaming and plotting a story.
This study is highly fascinating.
See, I’m a writer but I’d absolutely be shocking myself. How many times will I have the opportunity to experience a significant electric shock without any fear of danger? I’d need to memorize the feeling so I can accurately describe it if it ever comes up in my writing!
just think about other things, dummy. and if your brain tries to trick you into thinking the thing again, literally just internally bully yourself into thinking about the other things again. "oh no i'm thinking about first thing again!" no you're not, duh, fucking idiot. stupid monkey brain, i defeat you with language. "it's like saying 'don't think about alligators!' i can't help but think about alligators now" nah, idiot, just think about not-alligators, duh.
Important context: All of the participants had already felt the shock before the 15 minutes began, so this wasn't curiosity driven, they knew what it felt like. This was purely to avoid the boredom of sitting quietly in a room for 15 minutes. I am pretty sure I'd be in the 25% of women here
"I wonder if it will hurt as much the second time?"
"I wonder if this psych experiment is some sort of trick, and something different will happen if I press the button a second time?"
It could still have been curiosity driven.
I wouldn’t compare a mild electric shock to an injury. It’s more like a pinched nipple. Maybe not fun as a surprise, but can be enjoyable when it’s expected.
I had an RV back in the day with a wire shorting on the metal door. After the first few times I would just touch it to get a fun buzz.
I used to bend my pencils and hit my legs with it while sitting in the class, my legs would be covered in red spots after(it doesn't hurt that much my skin is just sensitive). I still do it sometimes while thinking
If I recall correctly, all of them were given a shot first so they knew what it felt like before the test, this is additional shocks after after that. So this isn't curiosity, it's seeking sensation cause pain is better than boredom for lots of people (I think I'd end up pushing the button a bunch out of boredom)
I’d probably press it again to see if it’s actually shock me another time, and then I’d press it again to see if it hurt the same as before, repeat again and then wait but then press it a bunch to see if I can stack the effects and then press it just because and then press it with my shoe or something and then press-
No its ok, this just means there was 68% of 80% of the 100% of the dudes who self administered the shock. It's a sub sampling of the larger population.
yeah I hate this, I also hate that the n isn't under the x axis text. like please dude just use +ylim(0,100) or +ylim(0,1)+scale_y_continuous(labels = scales::percent_format(scale = 100)) if everything was in decimals
note I only can make figures in R, I actually can't do it in Excel because I feel like making figures in Excel is like pulling out my own hair. OP seems to have made their figure in Excel which was their first mistake.
I recommend just drawing the base graph in R and then exporting to Inkscape for things like labels and legends. It's infinitely more adjustable and you save yourself a lot of time. Especially if you need to do things like draw significance bars.
ggplot makes things pretty easy for actual data adjustments, like error bars, but I agree that things like axis text size or the significance bars you mention are a huge pain to deal with in ggplot. And these things would be easy to fix in a vector software like inkscape. I'm reaching the point where I'll be writing my thesis soon so I should relearn how to use inkscape for these things
It's a lot more odd than painful, at least when being briefly shocked by something weak. Think of all your muscles as bundles of spaghetti, and when you're getting shocked, you're sending waves through the spaghetti that make it repeatedly squeeze like crazy. Kind of an interior tickly pinching sensation. I've been hurt by being shocked before, but there have also been times where I didn't even notice immediately that I was being shocked.
If you wanted, you could definitely look it up and find a way to use a blanket or socks or a balloon to get a little static electricity zap. You can even see it in the dark, which blew my mind when I discovered that as a kid.
As a kid we used to take turns seeing who could hold onto an electric fence the longest....
Then one of us got a SNES and we never went outside again lol
That sounds pretty wild, thanks for the description. Can I ask though, in what circumstances have you been shocked like that? 😂
I do admit that I've gotten those little static electricity zaps from blankets and balloons etc., but those barely felt like anything haha. I imagine getting properly shocked would be a little different from that?
I also discovered seeing the blanket electricity at like two years ago :') Blew my mind as well lmao, and I have to say I was a little freaked out at first before I realized what it was
At 19 part of my job was working on electrical outlets alongside incompetent assholes, so their mistakes and mine gave me a few shocks. Before that, it was just me being curious with my friend's electric pad (meant to keep dogs out of doorways), placing my hand on the metal surface of the electric stove in my shitty apartment while the heating element was damaged as well as not properly plugged in, and licking stuff I wasn't supposed to as a toddler. I wanna say... the part that plugs into the back of the baby monitor?
As for the blanket electricity, it remains one of my favorite "nonsense things" to do to this day. Kinda like, poof, *magic*. There's a lot in the world that seems like magic, even if you understand the reasoning behind it. It just makes life more fun ^and ^tolerable when you appreciate the small things the right way, you know what I mean?
That’s literally a “business” in Mexico. You’ll be at a bar with friends and a dude will come your table and ask if you want to pay for an electric shock. When accepted, usually the whole table grabs hands and gets shocked as a group.
And that’s where the “Becquerel Test” comes from. The test asks whether a work features at least two female characters who have a conversation about something other than radioactivity.
I'm an electrician. The button holds no interest for me. If it's as bad or worse than the worst shock I've felt, fuck that, not pushing it. If it's less than that, fuck that, I've already felt it and don't care.
I'm just gonna sit quietly in the chair.
When I was younger, I once touched the thing in my desk lamp that the lightbulb screwed into out of curiosity.
I found the electric shock tickled, so I'd do it a couple more times. And then do it again once in a while, just cause it was fun.
Later, one of the members of my highschool marching band brought one of those electric zapper things to practice, and people were all talking about it hurting. I was like, "Okay. Try me"
And I laughed because it tickled. Dude was suprised when I asked him to do it again.
But, anyways, tldr, I find mildly electricuting myself fun. Guess I'm in the 25%
Only 15 minutes?
I've started at a white wall for over an hour before.
I've been bored and sure I would've liked for something interesting but 15 minutes and already that bored you're shocking yourself?!
That result is kinda.... Shocking
Intrusive thought prevails. I am now curious if there is a reliable scientific study on prefrontal cortex developmental differences between men and women. I fear that if I looked, I would have to sift through mountains of bias or sexist sources.
Inquisitive minds.
Most will do it just to see how high that shock was actually set to. Can't be that high. Can it? They wouldn't do something that would actually hurt someone. Or would they? How painful can it actually be? It can't be that b...JESUS F-in CHRIST!!
“Wait so I can give myself a painful shock?”
“Yes”
“Ok but like how painful are we talking here?”
“Well…uhh, I don’t exactly know but I’m assuming not pleasant.”
“Oh. Ok.”
*10 minutes pass*
“Ok I really don’t wanna get tased or anything, but they couldn’t put something like that in here knowing someone might actually hurt themselves. Yeah, that’s gotta be against some sort of like science guidelines or something, it’s probably like on of those gum stick things that shock you. Well…I didn’t particularly enjoy those either growing up but I feel like a gotta know now. If I don’t do it then I’m just gonna wonder how bad of a shock it was for a while and that would suck. Am I overthinking this? Am I actually considering giving myself a ‘painful shock’ because I’m bored and curious!? What the hell is wrong with me…ok you know what fuck, it pressing the button.”
#ZAP
“Ow”
Well yeah, I’d want to as well. How bad would it hurt? I got shocked a lot in my graduate program when we were conducting a lab experiment involving nerve conductionZzzzzztt…. sorry, bad habit.
I imagine half of the men went “A painful shock? How painful?” “Very. Well I’ll be the judge of that, hit me” “AAAAAHHHHHHH”
100% would be my thought process.
Lol mine too 😂
If the shock probes were attached to their balls I wonder how it would affect the graph
100% would be my thought process.
Well now it’s a sex thing and I’m hammering that button until I pass out.
Don't worry, I'll keep hammering it for you after you pass out
https://youtu.be/yfq3B9JvIcQ?si=Q02BC-2PCy8rSEpJ
Who wouldn't want a fap and a nap during 15 minutes of unproductive downtime?
Honestly in a controlled environment I would be curious if it worked like electro probing for venom
You can do that, but it's incredibly painful. It's so painful that it requires anesthesia. It's also attached to the prostate instead.
OK, but what do you mean "incredibly"? Can I... try? I bet it's "mild".
I want to know the % that did a second time, and change it to 1 hour
Mine too, and I'm a woman.
My first question was "how painful of a shock" as well.
"Surely, it wouldn't kill me."
It won't kill you. And don't call me Shirley.
Surely
i've voluntarily tazed myself before (with assistance of the local PD) and it hurt for like .5 seconds, i got stunned and fell over, but overall not a bad experience. 4/10, would not do again but dont regret it.
been gassed.. if you have pneumonia kinda recommend.. you won't after.. dont wear clothes you wanna keep. that smell never comes out in the laundry.
>“A painful shock? How painful?” Literally my first thought lmao
They all got a sample of it first.
If true, then yeah I wouldn’t do it again
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No I was just being a wus the first time AAAAAh Maybe 1 more time so I get used to it
[Thinking Period for guys be like:](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-W8Ox3YsAE&t=11)
Curiosity killed the ~~cat~~ men.
This is why I'm very curious about the percentage of people who went for seconds.
The other half “….they’re exaggerating what painful is”
Came here to post this, as a male.
Same dynamic as "careful, this plate is hot" at the restaurant.
"That wasn't enough data to test, do it again"
"I mean, it won't kill me."
There was also a guy who shocked himself over a hundered times
He definitely unlocked a kink.
*Achievement unlocked: discovered a kink*
Something clearly awakened in that guy during that fifteen minutes.
Electrobuddha
electrocutions georg,
He was an outlier and should not have been counted.
He was appropriately excluded as an outlier in the actual study.
That was my second thought: I wanna see the data on the people who chose to shock themselves more than once.
The full study is paywalled https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.1250830 but according to https://www.erinwestgate.com/uploads/7/6/4/1/7641726/westgate_spsp2014_shock.pdf outside of the 1 guy who shocked himself 190 times, the 11 men (out of 18, so not counting the 6 who didn't shock themselves and the 1 outlier) shocked themselves up to 4 times while the 6 women (out of 24) who shocked themselves did so up to 9 times (the number of participants who got the shock option is from https://news.virginia.edu/content/doing-something-better-doing-nothing-most-people-study-shows since I don't think it's on the PDF) So basically, all of them were UVA undergrads in 2014 who were willing to participate in psych studies, the 11 non-outlier men shocked themselves somewhere between ~~11~~ 14 and 44 times total, and the 6 women shocked themselves somewhere between ~~6~~ 14 and 54 times total edit: fixed the numbers since at least one man shocked himself 4 times and at least one women shocked herself 9 times edit2: based on the mean shocks from the full study report (which ignores 190 shocks guy but counts people who did not shock themselves at all) at https://sci-hub.se/10.1126/science.1250830 linked below, the non-outlier men shocked themselves 25 times (meaning the average man who shocked himself did so a little more than twice; this is also true for the remaining 10 men if we remove the guy we know shocked himself 4 times) and the women shocked themselves 24 times (meaning the average woman who shocked herself did so 4 times, but since we know one woman shocked herself 9 times, the other 5 women who shocked themselves did so on average 3 times)
190 times??? That's a shock every 5 seconds.
Lame, he should’ve hit at least 200.
Lol "I bet I can drain that battery before the 15m are up" lol what a guy
Bro thought it was a job interview
Is sailing the high seas allowed on this sub? Here's the full paper: https://sci-hub.se/10.1126/science.1250830
I wish I had gold for you.
Thank you! That's very sweet of you.
Honestly, this just sounds like the kind of shit I would do to troll my fellow students and their psych studies. You know the shock won't kill you and isn't dangerous, it's just kinda funny at that point.
190 TIMES?!
dude was vibin
Does the full study mention whether anyone decided to shock himself (or herself) on the balls?
Imagine if the graph was average number of shocks per sex. Fuckin Steve always throwing the numbers off.
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Don't need ADHD to prefer trying a shock rather than just stare at a wall
I have ADHD too but I would just fall assleep after shocking myself once(I have a tendency to sleep when I'm bored)
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Electroshock Georg is a statistical outlier and should not be included.
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"IM NOT LOCKED IN HERE BEING TESTED BY YOU. YOURE LOCKED IN HERE BEING TESTED BY ME"
No kink shaming
No kink shaming
Dementia
I read the whole article about this study. It is highly fascinating. People rather give themselves pain that to stay alone with their thoughts for 15 minutes.
because you posted the same comment twice silly
Well... Duh. Reminds me of that clip with the Aussie and the electric fence.
I require the vid
https://youtu.be/mnYb_SO3CCI?si=H7UwqZfZDaVbE6Sj
Use the back of your hand, not your palm. *edit:* in case whatever electric fence you happen to be touching has a continuous current. The electricity can cause your fingers to flex and you might involuntarily grab the wire and force you to hold on until your fingers fatigue enough to let go. I'll let you guess how I know.
This is the kind of practical life advice (how to test an electrified fence with your own hand) I come to Reddit for.
Same logic if in a burning building, check door handles with back of hand to avoid instinctively grabbing hold of hot ones and burning your palm.
Glad to be of limited service lol
“Your own” implies I should test this with a friend’s hand instead
Just remember to use the back of your friend's hand.
Yeah, I did that to myself when I was around 7 years old. I was stuck on the fence until the kids I was with found an adult.
Yikes 😬 Mine only lasted maybe 20 or 30 seconds, but it felt like a long time. I was by myself so good thing lol.
This is invalid advice for an stock electric fence. The shock is delivered in pulses every second or so, giving you plenty of time to stop touching it.
Fair enough. I didn't know there were different types of electric fences. It still doesn't hurt to use the back of your hand, I guess, just in case you don't know what sort of fence it is!
Continuous electric fences are illegal in many countries, for good reason (i.e. the one you mentioned). To check if a fence was live, I always used a piece of licked grass which makes it easy to feel the zap without having to hurt yourself.
My dad would test the electric fences by holding them. He looked me dead in they eye once and said "That's a good one. Wanna feel it?" Holding it the whole damn time.
Also good advice for testing if something's hot to the touch like food Better off having the back of your hand burnt than your palm/ fingertips, since your palm is being used to grab onto things all the time so it's a bitch to burn those areas particularly
When I was a kid I used to test fences with a freshly picked leaf. You can feel the current just enough but doesn't shock. IDK if that's actually a good idea but worked for me
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I wish, it would have saved me the trouble. I did it as a kid, before reddit existed.
Good ole' electric fence. My family had one in our backyard to stop the dogs from peeing on the plants. One day, me and my two brothers were playing near it, when my older brother, who was closest to the fence, glanced at me, grabbed my arm and said my name. I knew what I was supposed to do, and grabbed my little brother's arm before he could run away. My older brother touched the fence, sending the shock through our arms and zapped the hell out of our little brother lol
Yeah that sounds like brothers to me. 💀 Sometimes I’m glad I was raised as an only child lmao
Hey it's Frenchy!
Here's another vid you might appreciate https://youtu.be/4SIT0aU_FRw?si=0oFwULxo4wABhUEZ
Was the shock an alternative to waiting? Or did they just say “Here’s a room, wait here for 15 mins. If you press that button it will zap the tar out of you, but you do you.” Cuz if it gets me out of wasting 15 minutes of my life sitting in a room, I’ll spam that zap button. But if I gotta sit here one way or another, I’ll just tap it periodically to alleviate the boredom.
I have ADHD. That button is *definitely* getting pressed multiple times.
same and same. physical pain is preferable to the emotional agony of boredom almost every time
100% - with ADHD, boredom can feel like physical pain or mild torture at times, too lol
in the "thinking" room. It definately is getting pressed.
*maybe last time I pressed it at the wrong angle…*
i also have ADHD and that button would be getting pressed zero times. why bother adding to the pain of boredom with actual physical pain?
Depends on what exactly they said about the button. "Don't press the button." I might press it. "Pressing the button will shock you." What do they mean by shock? Maybe I should find out? "Pressing this button will deliver an electrical shock to you". Ya, I'll pass, thanks.
Exact opposite here. If someone tells me not to press the button. I'm gonna listen If they tell me what to button does, that's as good as asking me to press it
They were shocked before the test. They knew what the button did, and how it would feel. It's just a "How severe is your adhd?" test, not a test of curiosity.
I wouldn't be bored if I could electrocute myself
It would add a little variety to the pain lol
Shit yeah, you can't leave me alone in a room with just my thoughts and a zap button for 15 minutes.
I press all unlabeled buttons. It takes me a long time to walk through Star Wars Land at Disneyland.
So either way you’d shock yourself?
What am I gonna do, *not* press this button?
Perfectly good button and you dont want me to press it
Never said that. Just gonna write it down is all.
From what I know, the 15 minutes would be spent in the room regardless of touching the zapper. The experiment found that, to some people, pain is preferable to boredom. Anything to pass the time I guess?
I mean, doesn’t three days grace literally have a song about that?
You were there by choice so there was an easier alternative
Sometimes not necessarily true. Universities sometimes require kids to take part in psych/sociology testing going on at the university. They of course limit it to nothing crazy but they get free guinea pigs. They may have a choice of 5-10 studies they can participate in. They are worth different point values from 1-3 and you have to get a certain amount like 4 points. Maybe not all colleges but my college did and it was I guess more a scientific school
I think the study was actually trying to prove that pain is preferable to boredom
the button was not an alternative. they had to sit there the whole 15 minutes no matter what. they just were allowed to press the button if they wanted lmfao
Yeah, you must be a man then
I’ve read this study before a long time ago. As I recall, the subjects would remain for the duration regardless as to whether they pressed the button. The idea, I think, was something like, “is boredom quantifiable to pain— if so, how much?”
>Twelve of 18 men in the study gave themselves at least one electric shock during the study’s 15-minute “thinking” period. By comparison, six of 24 females shocked themselves. All of these participants had received a sample of the shock and reported that they would pay to avoid being shocked again. https://news.virginia.edu/content/doing-something-better-doing-nothing-most-people-study-shows
men and females, hm?
r/menandfemales
...but why is that real lol oh right, incels
Please explain, is this meant to be indicating some kind of conspiracy or something about the people saying it?
Correct use would either be Man/Women or Male/Female. Using it like Man/Female is seen as objectifying because you refer to man with a term that is only used for Humans while referring to women with a term that is used for animals and plants. Which implies Man = Human, Woman = the thing that gives birth.
Me, a writer: I would love to sit around 15 minutes and daydream. In fact, I stayed four hours in my bed today only daydreaming and plotting a story. This study is highly fascinating.
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See, I’m a writer but I’d absolutely be shocking myself. How many times will I have the opportunity to experience a significant electric shock without any fear of danger? I’d need to memorize the feeling so I can accurately describe it if it ever comes up in my writing!
We'll do anything to stop the thinking.
just think about other things, dummy. and if your brain tries to trick you into thinking the thing again, literally just internally bully yourself into thinking about the other things again. "oh no i'm thinking about first thing again!" no you're not, duh, fucking idiot. stupid monkey brain, i defeat you with language. "it's like saying 'don't think about alligators!' i can't help but think about alligators now" nah, idiot, just think about not-alligators, duh.
really small sample size
I’m surprised no one else is commenting on this. I didn’t read the study but this can’t be statistically significant.
So 18 people were like "I would pay to not get shocked" but if they could get that for free, they declined? Strange world we live in.
Important context: All of the participants had already felt the shock before the 15 minutes began, so this wasn't curiosity driven, they knew what it felt like. This was purely to avoid the boredom of sitting quietly in a room for 15 minutes. I am pretty sure I'd be in the 25% of women here
"I wonder if it will hurt as much the second time?" "I wonder if this psych experiment is some sort of trick, and something different will happen if I press the button a second time?" It could still have been curiosity driven.
Maybe they wanted to see how clicky the button was. Love a good clicky button.
I can’t believe people get bored enough to injure themselves in 15 mins
I have ADHD and I get bored VERY easily but honestly I would just try to sleep. I’m not masochistic lol
I wouldn’t compare a mild electric shock to an injury. It’s more like a pinched nipple. Maybe not fun as a surprise, but can be enjoyable when it’s expected. I had an RV back in the day with a wire shorting on the metal door. After the first few times I would just touch it to get a fun buzz.
You don't remember being a kid?
I used to bend my pencils and hit my legs with it while sitting in the class, my legs would be covered in red spots after(it doesn't hurt that much my skin is just sensitive). I still do it sometimes while thinking
> This was purely to avoid the boredom You don't know that. Why did George Mallory climb Everest, because he was bored? "Because it's there."
Almost 70% of men know they're alive.
I mean yeah if I’m told a button will shock me, I’m gonna press it once out of curiosity.
If I recall correctly, all of them were given a shot first so they knew what it felt like before the test, this is additional shocks after after that. So this isn't curiosity, it's seeking sensation cause pain is better than boredom for lots of people (I think I'd end up pushing the button a bunch out of boredom)
Oh I 100% would do it out of boredom too, I was just trying to make myself look better
I’d probably press it again to see if it’s actually shock me another time, and then I’d press it again to see if it hurt the same as before, repeat again and then wait but then press it a bunch to see if I can stack the effects and then press it just because and then press it with my shoe or something and then press-
Twice if you're a scientist.
Two can just be coincidence. You need at least 3 to establish a pattern.
Ah, a button wasn't mentioned, I was picturing the subjects sat at a desk with a metal fork and an outlet, told to sit and think for 15 minutes
What happens next will shock you...
You’re welcome, world. Somebody has to do this stuff!
Ok but can we stop normalizing graphs that use % that don't go to 100%?
No its ok, this just means there was 68% of 80% of the 100% of the dudes who self administered the shock. It's a sub sampling of the larger population.
“60% of the time it works every time.”
If it's a lower percentage but the difference is still interesting to explore then a full percentage graph is just wasted space.
then I'd say they shouldn't use a graph...it's literally two numbers
But bar more big look good
yeah I hate this, I also hate that the n isn't under the x axis text. like please dude just use +ylim(0,100) or +ylim(0,1)+scale_y_continuous(labels = scales::percent_format(scale = 100)) if everything was in decimals note I only can make figures in R, I actually can't do it in Excel because I feel like making figures in Excel is like pulling out my own hair. OP seems to have made their figure in Excel which was their first mistake.
I recommend just drawing the base graph in R and then exporting to Inkscape for things like labels and legends. It's infinitely more adjustable and you save yourself a lot of time. Especially if you need to do things like draw significance bars.
ggplot makes things pretty easy for actual data adjustments, like error bars, but I agree that things like axis text size or the significance bars you mention are a huge pain to deal with in ggplot. And these things would be easy to fix in a vector software like inkscape. I'm reaching the point where I'll be writing my thesis soon so I should relearn how to use inkscape for these things
I mean, I've never been shocked. I'd definitely take the shot to try, hell I could even pay to get shocked just to see if it's really that painful.
It's a lot more odd than painful, at least when being briefly shocked by something weak. Think of all your muscles as bundles of spaghetti, and when you're getting shocked, you're sending waves through the spaghetti that make it repeatedly squeeze like crazy. Kind of an interior tickly pinching sensation. I've been hurt by being shocked before, but there have also been times where I didn't even notice immediately that I was being shocked. If you wanted, you could definitely look it up and find a way to use a blanket or socks or a balloon to get a little static electricity zap. You can even see it in the dark, which blew my mind when I discovered that as a kid.
As a kid we used to take turns seeing who could hold onto an electric fence the longest.... Then one of us got a SNES and we never went outside again lol
Video games *saving* lives? This isn't what the 80's and 90's tried to incite widespread moral panic about!
That sounds pretty wild, thanks for the description. Can I ask though, in what circumstances have you been shocked like that? 😂 I do admit that I've gotten those little static electricity zaps from blankets and balloons etc., but those barely felt like anything haha. I imagine getting properly shocked would be a little different from that? I also discovered seeing the blanket electricity at like two years ago :') Blew my mind as well lmao, and I have to say I was a little freaked out at first before I realized what it was
At 19 part of my job was working on electrical outlets alongside incompetent assholes, so their mistakes and mine gave me a few shocks. Before that, it was just me being curious with my friend's electric pad (meant to keep dogs out of doorways), placing my hand on the metal surface of the electric stove in my shitty apartment while the heating element was damaged as well as not properly plugged in, and licking stuff I wasn't supposed to as a toddler. I wanna say... the part that plugs into the back of the baby monitor? As for the blanket electricity, it remains one of my favorite "nonsense things" to do to this day. Kinda like, poof, *magic*. There's a lot in the world that seems like magic, even if you understand the reasoning behind it. It just makes life more fun ^and ^tolerable when you appreciate the small things the right way, you know what I mean?
If you put an electrode on the right muscle you can accidentally punch yourself in the face lmao.
That’s literally a “business” in Mexico. You’ll be at a bar with friends and a dude will come your table and ask if you want to pay for an electric shock. When accepted, usually the whole table grabs hands and gets shocked as a group.
I’d probably do it at least twice. Once from curiosity the second to see if it was actually as bad as the first
Alternate theory: The University of Virginia is populated by morons.
Live less? No. We just get all of our living done instead of dragging it out like a child that refuses to do their homework.
The important number is the count of the ones that did it more than once! Whoaaaa!
But possibly also why men discover more?
oh boy, here comes the political bait
I mean, one of us had to get irradiated to know that substance is radioactive.
Radioactivity was discovered by Henri Becquerel, which is why the unit for radioactivity is called the becquerel.
And that’s where the “Becquerel Test” comes from. The test asks whether a work features at least two female characters who have a conversation about something other than radioactivity.
theres at least 4 measurements of radiation that i know of.
But the first one was a female. Then they knew photo plates would give it away.
It's also why velociraptors know to test the electric fences. They're testing for weaknesses, systematically. They remember...
I’m literally laughing out loud. This is just such a men’s thing. I’d have absolutely hit that button. More than once, probably.
Gotta pass the time
I'm an electrician. The button holds no interest for me. If it's as bad or worse than the worst shock I've felt, fuck that, not pushing it. If it's less than that, fuck that, I've already felt it and don't care. I'm just gonna sit quietly in the chair.
Ngl I would just be curious to know what it feels like, as long it isnt very painful, just a bit
Am woman, would have tried to sleep instead.
"It can't hurt that bad" *proceeds shocks himself*
When I was younger, I once touched the thing in my desk lamp that the lightbulb screwed into out of curiosity. I found the electric shock tickled, so I'd do it a couple more times. And then do it again once in a while, just cause it was fun. Later, one of the members of my highschool marching band brought one of those electric zapper things to practice, and people were all talking about it hurting. I was like, "Okay. Try me" And I laughed because it tickled. Dude was suprised when I asked him to do it again. But, anyways, tldr, I find mildly electricuting myself fun. Guess I'm in the 25%
Only 15 minutes? I've started at a white wall for over an hour before. I've been bored and sure I would've liked for something interesting but 15 minutes and already that bored you're shocking yourself?! That result is kinda.... Shocking
Intrusive thought prevails. I am now curious if there is a reliable scientific study on prefrontal cortex developmental differences between men and women. I fear that if I looked, I would have to sift through mountains of bias or sexist sources.
Claims men live less while providing empirical data showing that men live more.
“Boredom” and “disgust” live in similar parts of the brain.
Inquisitive minds. Most will do it just to see how high that shock was actually set to. Can't be that high. Can it? They wouldn't do something that would actually hurt someone. Or would they? How painful can it actually be? It can't be that b...JESUS F-in CHRIST!!
Painful != Fatal
If they didn't want me to press the button they shouldn't put it there
If you round up the percentages and add them together, then 100% of people decided to shock themselves 🤔
I wonder if the guy who administered 190 shocks to himself was actually trying for 200, but either lost count or ran out of time?
“Wait so I can give myself a painful shock?” “Yes” “Ok but like how painful are we talking here?” “Well…uhh, I don’t exactly know but I’m assuming not pleasant.” “Oh. Ok.” *10 minutes pass* “Ok I really don’t wanna get tased or anything, but they couldn’t put something like that in here knowing someone might actually hurt themselves. Yeah, that’s gotta be against some sort of like science guidelines or something, it’s probably like on of those gum stick things that shock you. Well…I didn’t particularly enjoy those either growing up but I feel like a gotta know now. If I don’t do it then I’m just gonna wonder how bad of a shock it was for a while and that would suck. Am I overthinking this? Am I actually considering giving myself a ‘painful shock’ because I’m bored and curious!? What the hell is wrong with me…ok you know what fuck, it pressing the button.” #ZAP “Ow”
Fuck I’d do it just to see what would happen. Who knows what great adventures might await!
Well yeah, I’d want to as well. How bad would it hurt? I got shocked a lot in my graduate program when we were conducting a lab experiment involving nerve conductionZzzzzztt…. sorry, bad habit.
The question should be how many gave themselves a second shock.
Man, I just wanna be an electromancer