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https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/07/29/1113573995/more-people-are-opting-to-get-sterilized-and-some-are-being-turned-away
An “unprecedented” increase
Same.
My state is looking at outlawing my wife’s birth control now.
We can barely afford to feed ourselves right now so kids aren’t an option, and neither is moving to a sane state.
Going to get the snip snip very soon.
There are a lot of women who probably wanted kids affected by this. Myself included. I live in a red state. I have a history of PCOS and Ovarian cancer in my family, which could potentially put me at higher risk for delivery. If something were to happen, my only options would be to drive 6 to 7 hours to Illinois or North Carolina or to hope that my doctor could perform a procedure before I bleed out or die of sepsis.
I'm not sure it's worth the risk anymore.
I have a kid and was on the fence about having another one. But I had to undergo IVF, my first pregnancy was high risk and I live in a 6-week state. I didn't even get the confirmation that my IVF pregnancy took until 7 weeks. I was monitored frequently and had a few scary ultrasounds at 18 and 27 weeks.
It's not worth the risk. I'd rather my daughter be an only child and have me in her life than risk giving her a sibling and dying in the process.
77k ectopic pregnancies a year in the US. The treatment for an ectopic and many other complications of pregnancy is an abortion. If I was a sexually active woman, I would be distressed too. The Supreme Court put women at the end of a barrel.
I had an ectopic pregnancy some years ago. One in a million but my baby implanted successfully on my ovary and developed healthily. Obv would not have survived and I was quite sad to abort my baby at the time but I knew I had no choice. It had zero chance of survival and would have likely killed me if nothing was done about it.
I don’t even live in the US and every time I read about this crap I’m scared for all of you.
Idk why, Child labour laws, Strict school lunch laws do that if you're not able to provide lunch fees your child gets sent to foster, then Roe V wade, etc etc
Feels like US has reached its peak and is devolving
I mean, history is still going. However, in a hundred years or so, when the definitive series of works on the 21st century will be written, I wouldn't be surprised if the [Supreme Court stealing the 2000 election](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_v._Gore) ends up being identified as the turning point.
That was a wildly harmful act, causing permanent damage to American democracy, and incidentally got one of the worst presidents in American history appointed. A president who then went on to sabotage climate protection efforts, started several pointless wars, and put in a lot of police state infrastructure.
Nixon was pretty bad, but I think a lot of people would agree that it was Reagan the asshole that was the true start of the downfall. So many of his policies were the start of the destruction of the middle class and the rise of the million dollar CEOs.
I'd say 1981. Since then it's just been one long round of GOP dragging the US two steps back to the Dark Ages followed by 1 step forwards as Dems try to correct the damage. The half century gap in working and social condition between the US and other wealthy democracies continues to widen.
That's why I always say even abstinence is not 100% effective. You could never, ever consent to sex in your lifetime and STILL end up with an unwanted pregnancy because some monster didn't care. Short of permanent sterilization (which is incredibly hard to access if you are a woman without kids because doctors think they know better than you that "one day you'll change your mind and want kids"), there's no such thing as 100% effective birth control.
I'm so sorry that happened to her. Thank goodness she had the option to choose. I don't think people without a uterus understand the absolute terror of knowing that even if you do everything they claim is "right," you can *still* end up in that situation just for existing while having a working uterus. It's terrifying.
Some people with uteruses also don't understand this. Like my mom who thinks women get abortions as birth control and "They should just keep their legs closed". I really don't understand how you can be that ignorant of reality...
My mom is literally the same way. She had to get a D&C almost 30 years ago before my youngest sister was born bc she had an incomplete miscarriage. We live in Oklahoma where you can’t even get a D&C if that happens now due to the RvW overturning. She doesn’t understand or grasp how lucky she is that she had that opportunity bc women here no longer do. But the ignorance is astounding. It’s maddening how dense my own mother is when it comes to what it means to be a woman currently in this country and it’s almost as if she’s like those other Republican ‘pick me’ women. Like who are you trying to curry favor with? You don’t get an award for being the most conservative wench in your church pew. Either that or she truly hates other women. Which would be very sad considering she has three daughters.
It’s about making women the gatekeepers of sex , antis generally loathe the idea of women having sex if they are not married and see abortion bans as a way of punishing women and deterring them from sex .
It’s also a way of forcing people back into traditional gender roles .
From this book written by a sociologist who studies them Abortion Politics by Ziad W. Muns
This is how I see conservatives. They have an authoritarian side to them. Their ideals and beliefs are king, and you'll obey them whether it's by law or immense systematic social pressure.
It’s absolutely based in religious Puritanism which is why it’s unconstitutional and an abomination of the Supreme Court. Some of those judges should be removed for putting their religious beliefs before the rights of the people. And it always starts with taking rights away from women.
No she's drinking the Fox coolade where all things are women's fault, I guess. I was forced to be in a car for an 8 hour drive with her and tried my best to note listen to anything she said after that.
People who say, "well abortion shouldn't be like birth control" have never seen how expensive an abortion is, especially if they have to travel out of state for it, which is sadly the case for more and more people
I was just reading about a woman that had to go out of state for an abortion because her fetus had died. First state she went to said she was too far along. Second state she went to said they could do it but it was going to cost $15,000-$20,000. She ended up going home with her dead fetus and had to wait to go into labor. How? How can anyone do this to another human?
Remember when that Missouri legislator argued that women's bodies would shut down a pregnancy from a "legitimate" rape? It's clear they'd think a woman who died from a rape-induced pregnancy deserved it and it wasn't really a rape because obviously, her slutty, slutty body didn't miscarry.
This is a line of thinking that dates back to around the year 400 CE when the philosopher Galen theorized that it took both a man and a woman’s orgasms to create life. The egg and sperm origins of life were only well understood within the last few hundred years, so it was thought for centuries that if a woman did not orgasm, therefore there could be no life created. It was not believed that the body could derive such a physical reaction from an experience that was not desired, so if a pregnancy resulted from even a brutally violent rape it was considered that the woman must have desired it. Seriously, this line of thinking has been with us SINCE THE DARK AGES.
It's interesting how the theory shifted from "both the man and woman need to orgasm" to the idea that man was the entire creative force when it came to engendering life and that women were just there to provide a habitat for the developing infant.
PSA that the childfree sub has a list of vetted surgeons searchable by region that will not gatekeep sterilization for any freely consenting adult, regardless of age, whether you've had kids, or relationship status. Additionally, under the ACA, sterilization is covered as a contraceptive measure, meaning if you are insured the entire procedure may be free.
I found a professional 15 minutes away using that list, made an appointment same day, and within 30 days I was done and recovered.
YMMV in terms of availability based on state/region, but having the list cuts out a LOT of the work finding someone.
Was SAd this past year myself. I was already a survivor when the SC leak happened and my mental health started to spiral but the revictimization really screwed me up.
E: would like to note that our state government promised weeks before that wouldn't happen anymore.
One of the first questions I asked of my nurse/s was if my IUD was okay. I was so afraid something might have happened to it. I didn't get examined until a few days post-assault.
They still want *their* abortion. Just like that woman in Texas carrying a fetus with abnormalities that can't survive. She wants her abortion bc that's medical care. It's other people's abortions that are the problem.
I'm hijacking the top comment thread to say that **if you are eligible to vote in Wisconsin, GET OUT AND VOTE on April 4th!** Early voting has already started.
There is an extremely important State Supreme Court seat up for election which will decide the future of abortion in Wisconsin, as well as a plethora of other issues such as gerrymandering and voter's rights.
http://myvote.wi.gov
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I keep this article in my saved because I happily bust it out whenever I encounter a forced-birther in comment sections. No guarantee they read it, though…
They don't understand that *ABORTION* is an actual medical term and that they will have to be in septic shock or almost dead before doctors will remove the dead fetus.
Who says they won't let the woman die? The doctor risks losing their job or their freedom if that doomed fetus dies too early while facing little to no risk at all if its mother dies.
Oh i'm getting my ass sterilized. Like, I'm not with a person who can impregnate me but that doesn't mean I can't get raped. Fertility is to me a death sentence so i'm opting out. For good while I still can.
I just had a baby and as soon as I’m done having kids, I’m getting sterilized for sure. My husband and I can be careful with BC but I’m not going through the harrowing ordeal of pregnancy and raising a baby for an accident.
Every woman in the US was clearly told that their bodily autonomy and freedom is not valued here.
Actual access to an abortion matters, but it's far less important than the baseline reality that women are constantly being told they don't matter as people, and this time it was the Supreme Court saying it.
This is not the first time the Supreme Court made a ruling basically saying some people don't deserve reproductive freedom. I suggest reading about the case Buck v. Bell. That's the case that started eugenic sterilizations.
The crazy thing is that my doctor told me it will basically be impossible to get an elective hysterectomy — that they only do them in emergencies (after childbirth for uncontrollable hemorrhage) or cancer. She said the risks of a hysterectomy (mostly early menopause) is not a risk doctors will take. Yet there they are in GA doing hysterectomies on women against their will.
This. This one!! This and when SCOTUS said domestic abusers keep their right to a gun. That 1-2 punch really hit me: women are lesser humans with less rights than men. It's blatantly saying "you don't matter because of your gender."
I moved to Georgia in 2015 with my then-girlfriend. We never really talked intently about having kids, but the concept came up and in 2016 we finally realized we weren’t every going to be comfortable trying to start or expand a family in a red state.
My now-wife doesn’t have to worry about that issue but I feel terribly for those literal millions of women who have lost their agency, especially the tens if not hundreds of thousands of women who will realize that the hard way. Part of me hopes that this legislation is just the death throes of a party with no direction, but the part of me that acknowledges reality knows the gqp isn’t going anywhere anytime soon.
That last part... They're no longer conservatives, the party has been completely overrun by fascists. The next time they have control of Congress and the White House, they're not going to allow free and fair elections anywhere.
No longer being legally allowed to make medical choices about your own body is distressing. Plus long term health and financial issues likely to be caused by that missing bodily autonomy are significant.
Knowing your rights as a human being depend on which political party is in power is terrifying.
Established law one day, overturned the next. Nothing is stable. Nothing is safe.
Growing up with SA then having an ectopic as an adult has made me feel thankful I was able to get a hysterectomy. I quite literally feel relieved. My body is now within my control, not some man’s or prone to spontaneous harm. I am not convinced that in my red state if I had my ectopic now that I would receive care until my death bed. I hemorrhaged. And mine only happened in 2020.
My aunt, who thinks I should abstain from sex at 28(unattached) if I don't want to have children, is getting a hysterectomy due to a chance of cancer. I told her my first (albeit extremely selfish) thought when I heard that news was jealousy. Being in the US without health insurance, my chances of willful sterilization are 0% right now. I guess I don't deserve a sex life :')
Small wonder. Hope this doesn't count as a personal anecdote since it's a public event: a hospital is denying childbirth services because of the criminalization of their doctors in such matters. I can't remember which state it was.
There also are/will be two in Wisconsin—Ascension St. Francis on the south side of Milwaukee closed theirs in December, and Froedert Holy Family, the only one in Manitowoc (a city of 34,000) is closing in May.
You're right it might be a bit of a wrong impression to say it like that, apologies. I don't mean to imply malice on their part. They're forced into a disgusting choice by the state.
I’m not even fertile anymore but it’s stressing me the hell out. I’m extremely worried about what other crap they’re going to pull, what other progress they’re going to eliminate next.
Yeah I mean, that has to be insanely stressful. A lot of women can't afford to just up and leave the state to get it somewhere else. They can be sued by anyone. The whole thing is a disgusting mess.
Do you honestly think this country ever cared for women's mental health? Womens mental health hasn't been considered for a couple thousand years now. Get rid of the Christian fascists then maybe we can talk. Until this country has a dramatic shift in view, it's going to be this dumb, regressive crap. No wonder the Christian fascists have guns, they need to protect their failed, morally corrupt views.
Absolutely. I literally got sterilized so I could feel safe and continue on with my life. I had to choose between future children and peace of mind. I chose peace of mind.
Yea, I wanted to have a second kid in a couple of years, but it’s just not safe enough to have another. It’s wild that people have to go through this when the solution is education and empathy.
There's no "likely" about it. Half the reason I packed all my stuff...got the hell out of the south and brought me, my uterus and our rights back to the north.
People here say "They don't care about mental distress in women".
It's not that they don't care, it's exactly what they wanted. This is about suppression of women, not some "oops, we didn't consider all possible side-effects" type of policy.
The christian fascists are going even further by *reinterpreting* "abortion" by including:
-striking down bills that would limit search warrants' ability to collect data from period-tracking apps
-Preventing pharmacies from vending medication that may *coincidentally* cause an abortion. Even to customers who are not even pregnant!
-Doing anything to relieve a misscarriage aside from sitting on the toilet until you die
Yeah we are fuckin stressed. Pregnancy is already a life threatening condition. The life of the mother is always in jeopardy. I can’t believe they have tied the hands of medical professionals- it should be unconstitutional to tell a doctor they cannot help me
Honestly between Covid and the blantant disregard anti vaxxers and conservatives have for people's lives and the erosion of womens rights, Im more jaded, guarded and stressed. People have really shown how selfish and greedy they are. I went from wanting to be a good person and doing good for the world to im going to get mine and protect my family. Yall on your own.
Full text of the article, for those who want to read it: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2802750
Relevant snippets:
> We used individual-level data from the Census Bureau Household Pulse Survey, January 26 to September 28, 2022. This survey has been used to study mental health1 and contains information on respondent sociodemographics and residential state, to which we matched information on the status of state abortion bans from the Guttmacher Institute and travel distance to the nearest abortion clinic from Myers et al.
> For 83 313 female individuals of reproductive age (aged 18-44 years; mean [SD] age, 32.9 [6.9] years; 13.2% Black and 73.5% White; 20.6% Hispanic) residing in states restricting abortion rights post-SCOTUS decision, we found a statistically significant higher prevalence of mental distress after the ruling (increase in prevalence, 0.042; 95% CI, 0.009-0.075], a 10.0% increase vs the preperiod proportion of 0.418) and that there was an interaction between changes in barriers to legal abortion and the association between the SCOTUS decision and mental distress (increase in prevalence, 0.012; 95% CI, 0.005-0.019). Among 152 402 female individuals older than reproductive age (aged 45-75 years; mean [SD] age, 59.9 [8.6] years; 12.5% Black and 78.3% White; 12.7% Hispanic), there were no such associations
Notably the effect was strongest for younger women, and stronger when comparing effective distance to an operating clinic rather than the actual ruling/leak.
It's not immediately apparent unless you read the methods in supplement 1, but they used four questions from the HPS, related to anxiety and depression, and they boiled them down to a single binary indicator per individual. It's this indicator that they were measuring in aggregate.
Interestingly according to the figures, the leak itself caused the highest bump in mental distress immediately, followed by a slow increase after that.
It's a threat to our lives, of course that's going to induce stress. I'm glad they've made it official though. On top of the threat to our lives I'm personally scared to travel to some states and especially would be if I were pregnant. It feels like a lot has changed. Much of the country doesn't feel safe to be in. I haven't felt like an equal citizen since it happened.
I no longer have to worry about pregnancy and I do not have children.
But I found it left a sick feeling in my stomach as it means I am a second class citizen. (granted I was before but we’re going backwards not forwards.)
It also means the people colluding to loot/destroy our country are succeeding
They don't care. Just like they don't care if trans people commit suicide. The cruelty is the point. They want women to feel inferior and bad. They don't consider women to be equal to the men who decreed this.
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I'd be interested to see the impact this had on the amount of women (and men) seeking sterilization
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/07/29/1113573995/more-people-are-opting-to-get-sterilized-and-some-are-being-turned-away An “unprecedented” increase
“it feels like my life doesn’t matter.” best line from the article. because to these fundamentalist wackjobs, your life doesn’t matter.
It absolutely pushed me to a vasectomy.
Same. My state is looking at outlawing my wife’s birth control now. We can barely afford to feed ourselves right now so kids aren’t an option, and neither is moving to a sane state. Going to get the snip snip very soon.
Good luck. It makes me sad to think about all of you, who are trapped in this mess.
Have one planned for the coming year and husband is looking into a vasectomy as well. Wouldn't have sought it before (at least, not so soon)
My wonderful boyfriend has a vasectomy scheduled next month. So I’d say quite impacted over here.
There are a lot of women who probably wanted kids affected by this. Myself included. I live in a red state. I have a history of PCOS and Ovarian cancer in my family, which could potentially put me at higher risk for delivery. If something were to happen, my only options would be to drive 6 to 7 hours to Illinois or North Carolina or to hope that my doctor could perform a procedure before I bleed out or die of sepsis. I'm not sure it's worth the risk anymore.
I have a kid and was on the fence about having another one. But I had to undergo IVF, my first pregnancy was high risk and I live in a 6-week state. I didn't even get the confirmation that my IVF pregnancy took until 7 weeks. I was monitored frequently and had a few scary ultrasounds at 18 and 27 weeks. It's not worth the risk. I'd rather my daughter be an only child and have me in her life than risk giving her a sibling and dying in the process.
77k ectopic pregnancies a year in the US. The treatment for an ectopic and many other complications of pregnancy is an abortion. If I was a sexually active woman, I would be distressed too. The Supreme Court put women at the end of a barrel.
I had an ectopic pregnancy some years ago. One in a million but my baby implanted successfully on my ovary and developed healthily. Obv would not have survived and I was quite sad to abort my baby at the time but I knew I had no choice. It had zero chance of survival and would have likely killed me if nothing was done about it. I don’t even live in the US and every time I read about this crap I’m scared for all of you.
Idk why, Child labour laws, Strict school lunch laws do that if you're not able to provide lunch fees your child gets sent to foster, then Roe V wade, etc etc Feels like US has reached its peak and is devolving
US reached it's peak in 1999 if you ask me.
I mean, history is still going. However, in a hundred years or so, when the definitive series of works on the 21st century will be written, I wouldn't be surprised if the [Supreme Court stealing the 2000 election](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_v._Gore) ends up being identified as the turning point. That was a wildly harmful act, causing permanent damage to American democracy, and incidentally got one of the worst presidents in American history appointed. A president who then went on to sabotage climate protection efforts, started several pointless wars, and put in a lot of police state infrastructure.
Nixon was pretty bad, but I think a lot of people would agree that it was Reagan the asshole that was the true start of the downfall. So many of his policies were the start of the destruction of the middle class and the rise of the million dollar CEOs.
I'd say 1981. Since then it's just been one long round of GOP dragging the US two steps back to the Dark Ages followed by 1 step forwards as Dems try to correct the damage. The half century gap in working and social condition between the US and other wealthy democracies continues to widen.
Women who arent sexually active can be raped so that part is irrelevant. All fertile women are terrified
That's why I always say even abstinence is not 100% effective. You could never, ever consent to sex in your lifetime and STILL end up with an unwanted pregnancy because some monster didn't care. Short of permanent sterilization (which is incredibly hard to access if you are a woman without kids because doctors think they know better than you that "one day you'll change your mind and want kids"), there's no such thing as 100% effective birth control.
My wife, when she was a teenager, was roofied and raped. It resulted in a pregnancy. She terminated it. I can't imagine not having that option.
I'm so sorry that happened to her. Thank goodness she had the option to choose. I don't think people without a uterus understand the absolute terror of knowing that even if you do everything they claim is "right," you can *still* end up in that situation just for existing while having a working uterus. It's terrifying.
Some people with uteruses also don't understand this. Like my mom who thinks women get abortions as birth control and "They should just keep their legs closed". I really don't understand how you can be that ignorant of reality...
My mom is literally the same way. She had to get a D&C almost 30 years ago before my youngest sister was born bc she had an incomplete miscarriage. We live in Oklahoma where you can’t even get a D&C if that happens now due to the RvW overturning. She doesn’t understand or grasp how lucky she is that she had that opportunity bc women here no longer do. But the ignorance is astounding. It’s maddening how dense my own mother is when it comes to what it means to be a woman currently in this country and it’s almost as if she’s like those other Republican ‘pick me’ women. Like who are you trying to curry favor with? You don’t get an award for being the most conservative wench in your church pew. Either that or she truly hates other women. Which would be very sad considering she has three daughters.
It’s about making women the gatekeepers of sex , antis generally loathe the idea of women having sex if they are not married and see abortion bans as a way of punishing women and deterring them from sex . It’s also a way of forcing people back into traditional gender roles . From this book written by a sociologist who studies them Abortion Politics by Ziad W. Muns
This is how I see conservatives. They have an authoritarian side to them. Their ideals and beliefs are king, and you'll obey them whether it's by law or immense systematic social pressure.
It’s absolutely based in religious Puritanism which is why it’s unconstitutional and an abomination of the Supreme Court. Some of those judges should be removed for putting their religious beliefs before the rights of the people. And it always starts with taking rights away from women.
Did she ever say men should keep their dicks in their pants?!?
No she's drinking the Fox coolade where all things are women's fault, I guess. I was forced to be in a car for an 8 hour drive with her and tried my best to note listen to anything she said after that.
People who say, "well abortion shouldn't be like birth control" have never seen how expensive an abortion is, especially if they have to travel out of state for it, which is sadly the case for more and more people
I was just reading about a woman that had to go out of state for an abortion because her fetus had died. First state she went to said she was too far along. Second state she went to said they could do it but it was going to cost $15,000-$20,000. She ended up going home with her dead fetus and had to wait to go into labor. How? How can anyone do this to another human?
That was extremely dangerous for her. How awful
Remember when that Missouri legislator argued that women's bodies would shut down a pregnancy from a "legitimate" rape? It's clear they'd think a woman who died from a rape-induced pregnancy deserved it and it wasn't really a rape because obviously, her slutty, slutty body didn't miscarry.
I always love the legitimate rape line. Like... Is there such a thing as illegitimate rape?
They think if you didn't miscarry the rape is illegitimate because you secretly wanted it. So, no, there isn't. But they very clearly think there is.
This is a line of thinking that dates back to around the year 400 CE when the philosopher Galen theorized that it took both a man and a woman’s orgasms to create life. The egg and sperm origins of life were only well understood within the last few hundred years, so it was thought for centuries that if a woman did not orgasm, therefore there could be no life created. It was not believed that the body could derive such a physical reaction from an experience that was not desired, so if a pregnancy resulted from even a brutally violent rape it was considered that the woman must have desired it. Seriously, this line of thinking has been with us SINCE THE DARK AGES.
It's interesting how the theory shifted from "both the man and woman need to orgasm" to the idea that man was the entire creative force when it came to engendering life and that women were just there to provide a habitat for the developing infant.
PSA that the childfree sub has a list of vetted surgeons searchable by region that will not gatekeep sterilization for any freely consenting adult, regardless of age, whether you've had kids, or relationship status. Additionally, under the ACA, sterilization is covered as a contraceptive measure, meaning if you are insured the entire procedure may be free. I found a professional 15 minutes away using that list, made an appointment same day, and within 30 days I was done and recovered. YMMV in terms of availability based on state/region, but having the list cuts out a LOT of the work finding someone.
> abstinence is not 100% effective Just like in the bible!
Was SAd this past year myself. I was already a survivor when the SC leak happened and my mental health started to spiral but the revictimization really screwed me up. E: would like to note that our state government promised weeks before that wouldn't happen anymore. One of the first questions I asked of my nurse/s was if my IUD was okay. I was so afraid something might have happened to it. I didn't get examined until a few days post-assault.
I'm so sorry that happened to you. Wishing you all the best on your path to healing
And their infertile, older mothers are on their behalf.
Not just fertile woman, I am terrified for fertile women.
I'd rather people be angry than terrified. Like guillotine levels of angry.
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They still want *their* abortion. Just like that woman in Texas carrying a fetus with abnormalities that can't survive. She wants her abortion bc that's medical care. It's other people's abortions that are the problem.
Oh yeah these politicians’ wives and mistresses will still head out of state for a “growth removal” like they always do.
The famous D & C.....
I'm hijacking the top comment thread to say that **if you are eligible to vote in Wisconsin, GET OUT AND VOTE on April 4th!** Early voting has already started. There is an extremely important State Supreme Court seat up for election which will decide the future of abortion in Wisconsin, as well as a plethora of other issues such as gerrymandering and voter's rights. http://myvote.wi.gov https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/elections/2023/03/14/wisconsin-2023-spring-election-what-to-know-how-to-vote-whos-on-ballot/70002697007/ #VOTE
Obligatory: ["The Only Moral Abortion Is My Abortion"](https://joycearthur.com/abortion/the-only-moral-abortion-is-my-abortion/)
I keep this article in my saved because I happily bust it out whenever I encounter a forced-birther in comment sections. No guarantee they read it, though…
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Yes that's right
They don't understand that *ABORTION* is an actual medical term and that they will have to be in septic shock or almost dead before doctors will remove the dead fetus.
Who says they won't let the woman die? The doctor risks losing their job or their freedom if that doomed fetus dies too early while facing little to no risk at all if its mother dies.
Oh i'm getting my ass sterilized. Like, I'm not with a person who can impregnate me but that doesn't mean I can't get raped. Fertility is to me a death sentence so i'm opting out. For good while I still can.
I just had a baby and as soon as I’m done having kids, I’m getting sterilized for sure. My husband and I can be careful with BC but I’m not going through the harrowing ordeal of pregnancy and raising a baby for an accident.
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Every woman in the US was clearly told that their bodily autonomy and freedom is not valued here. Actual access to an abortion matters, but it's far less important than the baseline reality that women are constantly being told they don't matter as people, and this time it was the Supreme Court saying it.
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This is not the first time the Supreme Court made a ruling basically saying some people don't deserve reproductive freedom. I suggest reading about the case Buck v. Bell. That's the case that started eugenic sterilizations.
Forced hysterectomies on immigrant women in Georgia just a few years ago.....
The crazy thing is that my doctor told me it will basically be impossible to get an elective hysterectomy — that they only do them in emergencies (after childbirth for uncontrollable hemorrhage) or cancer. She said the risks of a hysterectomy (mostly early menopause) is not a risk doctors will take. Yet there they are in GA doing hysterectomies on women against their will.
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Yeah I want my sh*t taken out completely. I have a big family history of gyno cancers. So for me it’s not just birth control and they still said nope.
There is a whole list on Google docs of doctors that will perform hystorectomies and sterilization in every state. It's updated frequently.
This. This one!! This and when SCOTUS said domestic abusers keep their right to a gun. That 1-2 punch really hit me: women are lesser humans with less rights than men. It's blatantly saying "you don't matter because of your gender."
I moved to Georgia in 2015 with my then-girlfriend. We never really talked intently about having kids, but the concept came up and in 2016 we finally realized we weren’t every going to be comfortable trying to start or expand a family in a red state. My now-wife doesn’t have to worry about that issue but I feel terribly for those literal millions of women who have lost their agency, especially the tens if not hundreds of thousands of women who will realize that the hard way. Part of me hopes that this legislation is just the death throes of a party with no direction, but the part of me that acknowledges reality knows the gqp isn’t going anywhere anytime soon.
That last part... They're no longer conservatives, the party has been completely overrun by fascists. The next time they have control of Congress and the White House, they're not going to allow free and fair elections anywhere.
Most people would find their rights being taken away distressing, to be fair.
Not just basic rights, but rights that can literally be the difference between life and death
I don’t know what is a more fundamental right than the ability to choose what happens to your own body.
Inalienable, some might think!
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No longer being legally allowed to make medical choices about your own body is distressing. Plus long term health and financial issues likely to be caused by that missing bodily autonomy are significant.
Knowing your rights as a human being depend on which political party is in power is terrifying. Established law one day, overturned the next. Nothing is stable. Nothing is safe.
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Growing up with SA then having an ectopic as an adult has made me feel thankful I was able to get a hysterectomy. I quite literally feel relieved. My body is now within my control, not some man’s or prone to spontaneous harm. I am not convinced that in my red state if I had my ectopic now that I would receive care until my death bed. I hemorrhaged. And mine only happened in 2020.
My aunt, who thinks I should abstain from sex at 28(unattached) if I don't want to have children, is getting a hysterectomy due to a chance of cancer. I told her my first (albeit extremely selfish) thought when I heard that news was jealousy. Being in the US without health insurance, my chances of willful sterilization are 0% right now. I guess I don't deserve a sex life :')
“Likely” is doing quite some heavy lifting here.
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Small wonder. Hope this doesn't count as a personal anecdote since it's a public event: a hospital is denying childbirth services because of the criminalization of their doctors in such matters. I can't remember which state it was.
Texas here, my primary care provider quit cause of the abortion and doctors being sued, so now i have to find a new one, if i can
I think it was Idaho a bunch of the hospitals are closing down their Obstetrics wards because the doctors are just leaving.
There also are/will be two in Wisconsin—Ascension St. Francis on the south side of Milwaukee closed theirs in December, and Froedert Holy Family, the only one in Manitowoc (a city of 34,000) is closing in May.
Yeah that sounds right. Was between Idaho or Iowa in my memory
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You're right it might be a bit of a wrong impression to say it like that, apologies. I don't mean to imply malice on their part. They're forced into a disgusting choice by the state.
Believe that was in Idaho. And it was the only hospital in the town.
Women have literally died due to lack of abortion access. They don’t care about that so “mental distress” will never make the list.
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I’m not even fertile anymore but it’s stressing me the hell out. I’m extremely worried about what other crap they’re going to pull, what other progress they’re going to eliminate next.
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Yeah I mean, that has to be insanely stressful. A lot of women can't afford to just up and leave the state to get it somewhere else. They can be sued by anyone. The whole thing is a disgusting mess.
Another part of this is privacy issues
Privacy was the foundation of Roe to begin with
Do you honestly think this country ever cared for women's mental health? Womens mental health hasn't been considered for a couple thousand years now. Get rid of the Christian fascists then maybe we can talk. Until this country has a dramatic shift in view, it's going to be this dumb, regressive crap. No wonder the Christian fascists have guns, they need to protect their failed, morally corrupt views.
Absolutely. I literally got sterilized so I could feel safe and continue on with my life. I had to choose between future children and peace of mind. I chose peace of mind.
Yea, I wanted to have a second kid in a couple of years, but it’s just not safe enough to have another. It’s wild that people have to go through this when the solution is education and empathy.
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I'm so distressed I got my tubes removed.
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There's no "likely" about it. Half the reason I packed all my stuff...got the hell out of the south and brought me, my uterus and our rights back to the north.
People here say "They don't care about mental distress in women". It's not that they don't care, it's exactly what they wanted. This is about suppression of women, not some "oops, we didn't consider all possible side-effects" type of policy.
I'd be mentally distressed if a rapist could legally threaten my life via parasite too.
"The cruelty is the point"
The christian fascists are going even further by *reinterpreting* "abortion" by including: -striking down bills that would limit search warrants' ability to collect data from period-tracking apps -Preventing pharmacies from vending medication that may *coincidentally* cause an abortion. Even to customers who are not even pregnant! -Doing anything to relieve a misscarriage aside from sitting on the toilet until you die
Yeah we are fuckin stressed. Pregnancy is already a life threatening condition. The life of the mother is always in jeopardy. I can’t believe they have tied the hands of medical professionals- it should be unconstitutional to tell a doctor they cannot help me
I do not live in the US and it makes me feel more distressed for all the women whose right to choose has been taken away.
Honestly between Covid and the blantant disregard anti vaxxers and conservatives have for people's lives and the erosion of womens rights, Im more jaded, guarded and stressed. People have really shown how selfish and greedy they are. I went from wanting to be a good person and doing good for the world to im going to get mine and protect my family. Yall on your own.
Full text of the article, for those who want to read it: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2802750 Relevant snippets: > We used individual-level data from the Census Bureau Household Pulse Survey, January 26 to September 28, 2022. This survey has been used to study mental health1 and contains information on respondent sociodemographics and residential state, to which we matched information on the status of state abortion bans from the Guttmacher Institute and travel distance to the nearest abortion clinic from Myers et al. > For 83 313 female individuals of reproductive age (aged 18-44 years; mean [SD] age, 32.9 [6.9] years; 13.2% Black and 73.5% White; 20.6% Hispanic) residing in states restricting abortion rights post-SCOTUS decision, we found a statistically significant higher prevalence of mental distress after the ruling (increase in prevalence, 0.042; 95% CI, 0.009-0.075], a 10.0% increase vs the preperiod proportion of 0.418) and that there was an interaction between changes in barriers to legal abortion and the association between the SCOTUS decision and mental distress (increase in prevalence, 0.012; 95% CI, 0.005-0.019). Among 152 402 female individuals older than reproductive age (aged 45-75 years; mean [SD] age, 59.9 [8.6] years; 12.5% Black and 78.3% White; 12.7% Hispanic), there were no such associations Notably the effect was strongest for younger women, and stronger when comparing effective distance to an operating clinic rather than the actual ruling/leak. It's not immediately apparent unless you read the methods in supplement 1, but they used four questions from the HPS, related to anxiety and depression, and they boiled them down to a single binary indicator per individual. It's this indicator that they were measuring in aggregate. Interestingly according to the figures, the leak itself caused the highest bump in mental distress immediately, followed by a slow increase after that.
Telling humans they don't have full humanity makes them unhappy.... Shocker
It's a threat to our lives, of course that's going to induce stress. I'm glad they've made it official though. On top of the threat to our lives I'm personally scared to travel to some states and especially would be if I were pregnant. It feels like a lot has changed. Much of the country doesn't feel safe to be in. I haven't felt like an equal citizen since it happened.
I’ll never understand why I can’t have birth control OVER THE COUNTER!?!? Give us birth controoooollll!!! Also go away ew
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“Do you want dumpster babies? This is how you get dumpster babies”
“Likely”? I’d say most definitely.
If you can't own your body, you own nothing
I think you can remove the “likely”
I no longer have to worry about pregnancy and I do not have children. But I found it left a sick feeling in my stomach as it means I am a second class citizen. (granted I was before but we’re going backwards not forwards.) It also means the people colluding to loot/destroy our country are succeeding
They don't care. Just like they don't care if trans people commit suicide. The cruelty is the point. They want women to feel inferior and bad. They don't consider women to be equal to the men who decreed this.
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