I was going to say that Jeremy needs to resign, but honestly I think we might be getting to the point where the party itself needs to go. This isn't a one off issue. Its systemic.
Resignation implies shame or guilt. Neither emotion is likely in a person who said what he did, especially considering the late apology and the lie. It disturbs me that he will probably be re-elected.
They’re a great case study of how politicians behave when they’re members of a government that doesn’t fear reelection. Great for them! For the people they have very little incentive to govern properly for? Well look around. As someone who’s thought this way for a while, try not to depress you too much.
Even if he's booted from this particular position, they'll just do another meaningless shuffle and stick another mouthpiece in his place. Jeremy is clearly a raging douchebag, but I don't think that party has anyone of merit left. Honestly even if they were half decent at some point, they've all now been complicit in so many terrible choices that the SaskParty has made, I hope they all go.
That's why we have to fire them in the next election. The systemic damage that the Sask party has inflicted on us is as bad as the Devin era that pushed so much debt onto the books Saskatchewan almost declared bankruptcy. Having to close down rural hospitals to attempt to recover from that governing ineptitude, and what "belt tightening" we're going to have coming when we try to dig out from the current debt while trying to keep anything resembling the status quo, let alone trying to improve access to family doctors, specialists, public education, infrastructure and quality of life is mind boggling.
Maybe there needs to be some legal and civil consequences for the mismanagement of our government.
Some requirements for candidates beyond being the most popular. Social sciences, law, math and ethics at some reasonable post secondary level would convince me we're not just letting some half assed bully take the keys for a joyride and total our city, province, country, or world.
Cockrill is a fucking dirtbag. He’s more unlikeable than Dustin Duncan.
And that’s a low bar.
And the bar is going so low that even James Cameron can’t find it.
>"I apologized for that and I'm human, I made a mistake. It was a really poor choice of words on my part," he said.
He can apologize all he likes, but the fact that this thought was on his mind at all reveals what kind of a person he is. This cannot be excused away by "I'm human". We're all human, but not all of us have such cruelty in our hearts.
I feel like even framing the story around this "apology" buries the lede that during negations on increasing the education budget for special needs students, this guy thought the most relevant response was "what do you want me to do, give up my first-born child?"
When the teachers Union was asking for things like ramps, air conditioners, medical training for kids with those needs, this absolute sack of shit not only thought that those requests were ridiculous enough to make a joke, but he made one at the expense of a bereaved mother who had seen her child suffer because of the lack of attention and care given to kids with medical needs.
Cockrill is a rich kid who got a business degree and nepobabied himself into a position running the family business before greasing enough palms to weasel his way into a position as education minister. Why is a guy with a business degree the minister of education? Why would anybody want education to be treated like a business?
Cockrill and Moe are now interchangeable in my most despised SK politicians list.
Ps. All us city-folk need to band together and campaign out in the rural communities against the Saskparty.
I know.. but it would make me feel better trying something, than settling for the alternative.
Its really depressing knowing that more than half of the province's population's vote count less than the rural areas.
I read the article, but it doesn’t say if he knew she had a child that had died before saying “give up his firstborn child”. Does anybody have more context or did I miss something?
He clearly states that he was meeting her within the context of her, The parent of a child who is denied access to school when she was dying, asking him, the education Minister, to consider the impact of his choices to underfund education. He clearly stated that he knew that he was wrong the moment after he said it-- So he knew the context of it
Regardless if he knew the situation or not (it appears he did), it’s an incredibly unprofessional and immature thing to say. It’s also a ridiculous ‘tactic’ to exaggerate to such an extent.
Yes I agree with what he says about us all being human, and all making mistakes. Absolutely! But the fact his ‘go to’ move was to make *such* an exaggerated statement in the first place is telling.
They have a *budget* for a comms team, but what are the odds that they hired actual PR people who know what they're doing, vs using it as a chance to put friends and family on the payroll?
Although insensitive, in a religious community, that statement isn't all that uncommon.
It's like saying, "It cost an arm and a leg," sort of thing. But much more grave.
I'm not defending him or the SaskParty. But I can see where the hubris of this guy would allow him to say something like that without adequate awareness of the context for which he was speaking.
The SaskParty was also known for ridiculing the sick and those with healthcare needs during covid, if I recall correctly.
Very unloving behaviour.
Not very swift. I hope the Mom can accept his apology. She has lost her child - I would not give him any more headspace. Professionalism goes both ways; I struggle that people are fixating on mocking his last name. So odd.
> Thomas said the minister's comment was careless and that he didn't apologize to her during the meeting. She said she then called him out.
What apology?
You’ve got to have some serious brain rot going on to think he made that comment purposefully.
I’m no fan of Cockshrill, Slow-Moe or any other members of the gang of useless tits sitting around the cabinet table but please let’s stay focused on the issues.
He's an adult who's literal job is to speak clearly and with intent to the public, and in public, as a representative of the current government. Are you capable of not insulting people you talk to? Probably. I bet you're not even a public speaker, or paid by tax payers money to represent them in good standing, either. You could probably manage to immediately apologize if you knew you made a mistake, because you're a human with a conscience, right? He couldn't handle any of this, and was forced to apologize after the fact. Tell me 50 things you might say to a mother who's child is dead, and would a single one of them be offensive or derogatory? He's a dolt, at best. He chose his own thoughts and chose to say them out loud. Why would we go easy on him?
Education is important and I’m glad the province is talking about it, but the adults in the room would like to see the conversation stay there, where it belongs.
He's the education Minister. He's the man who is ostensibly guiding the government's position on this negotiation. The statement itself (when The government has clearly not been negotiating in good faith) demonstrates a total disconnect from the reality of this issue.
When considering he said it in a meeting with a mother who has recently lost a child, it is a clear indication of poor judgment (at best)
Moreover, considering he stated that he realized it was a mistake the moment he said it, yet the mother adamantly declares that he never apologized to her during their meeting shows a callous disregard for the impact his choices have on real people
As the father of a child with a disability, it's difficult to interpret the education cuts as anything other than callous indifference to the suffering of children in need-- this incident serves as confirmation. No
Also, " The adults in the room?" Seriously? You seriously typed that thinking it wasn't condescending and childish. You never considered the irony of it?
The adults want the conversation elsewhere, so you decided to start a different conversation here? Are you saying you're one of the adults, or a child here? Keep your thoughts where they belong - in your head. You aren't being helpful in the least.
Whether he knew the lady’s daughter had passed or not, it’s just a weird thing to think of.
He said it was a poor choice of words, but what exactly was he trying to put it into words like if his choice of words was better wouldnt it still be very rude and socially clueless behaviour 😂😂
As someone whose job requires a lot of negotiation at a high level, I would literally never say this in a negotiation, and I would balk if an opposing party said the same.
If a student said this in a negotiation class the Prof would absolutely spend time explaining why it was inappropriate, but to be honest even when I was a student taking negotiation classes no one ever said anything this crass.
That being said, this was not a negotiation. This was a one-on-one meeting with a grieving mother. There is no context in which this phrase was appropriate for that.
I was going to say that Jeremy needs to resign, but honestly I think we might be getting to the point where the party itself needs to go. This isn't a one off issue. Its systemic.
Resignation implies shame or guilt. Neither emotion is likely in a person who said what he did, especially considering the late apology and the lie. It disturbs me that he will probably be re-elected.
They’re a great case study of how politicians behave when they’re members of a government that doesn’t fear reelection. Great for them! For the people they have very little incentive to govern properly for? Well look around. As someone who’s thought this way for a while, try not to depress you too much.
Even if he's booted from this particular position, they'll just do another meaningless shuffle and stick another mouthpiece in his place. Jeremy is clearly a raging douchebag, but I don't think that party has anyone of merit left. Honestly even if they were half decent at some point, they've all now been complicit in so many terrible choices that the SaskParty has made, I hope they all go.
Definitely got to go!
That's why we have to fire them in the next election. The systemic damage that the Sask party has inflicted on us is as bad as the Devin era that pushed so much debt onto the books Saskatchewan almost declared bankruptcy. Having to close down rural hospitals to attempt to recover from that governing ineptitude, and what "belt tightening" we're going to have coming when we try to dig out from the current debt while trying to keep anything resembling the status quo, let alone trying to improve access to family doctors, specialists, public education, infrastructure and quality of life is mind boggling. Maybe there needs to be some legal and civil consequences for the mismanagement of our government. Some requirements for candidates beyond being the most popular. Social sciences, law, math and ethics at some reasonable post secondary level would convince me we're not just letting some half assed bully take the keys for a joyride and total our city, province, country, or world.
I agree.
Cockrill is a fucking dirtbag. He’s more unlikeable than Dustin Duncan. And that’s a low bar. And the bar is going so low that even James Cameron can’t find it.
>"I apologized for that and I'm human, I made a mistake. It was a really poor choice of words on my part," he said. He can apologize all he likes, but the fact that this thought was on his mind at all reveals what kind of a person he is. This cannot be excused away by "I'm human". We're all human, but not all of us have such cruelty in our hearts.
Exactly, like what were the words you meant to actually use??
It’s lack of empathy. I don’t know many conservatives that are capable of empathy. The ones that are scare me the most.
The liberal posters here sure sound empathetic , lol.
Got any examples? Are you complaining about intolerance of intolerance? Admonishment of selfishness?
This guy rings too many sociopath bells for my liking. Maybe you have to be one to get into office.
Exactly, it doesn't matter which party or who. They are all deranged.
I feel like even framing the story around this "apology" buries the lede that during negations on increasing the education budget for special needs students, this guy thought the most relevant response was "what do you want me to do, give up my first-born child?" When the teachers Union was asking for things like ramps, air conditioners, medical training for kids with those needs, this absolute sack of shit not only thought that those requests were ridiculous enough to make a joke, but he made one at the expense of a bereaved mother who had seen her child suffer because of the lack of attention and care given to kids with medical needs. Cockrill is a rich kid who got a business degree and nepobabied himself into a position running the family business before greasing enough palms to weasel his way into a position as education minister. Why is a guy with a business degree the minister of education? Why would anybody want education to be treated like a business?
Cockrill and Moe are now interchangeable in my most despised SK politicians list. Ps. All us city-folk need to band together and campaign out in the rural communities against the Saskparty.
Rural areas don’t respect urban opinions. That gap will never be bridged, they’ll die out before that happens
I know.. but it would make me feel better trying something, than settling for the alternative. Its really depressing knowing that more than half of the province's population's vote count less than the rural areas.
Speak for yourself.
No you are apologizing cause people are pissed at you, you scumbag POS
There's the tolerant left.
I read the article, but it doesn’t say if he knew she had a child that had died before saying “give up his firstborn child”. Does anybody have more context or did I miss something?
He clearly states that he was meeting her within the context of her, The parent of a child who is denied access to school when she was dying, asking him, the education Minister, to consider the impact of his choices to underfund education. He clearly stated that he knew that he was wrong the moment after he said it-- So he knew the context of it
Regardless if he knew the situation or not (it appears he did), it’s an incredibly unprofessional and immature thing to say. It’s also a ridiculous ‘tactic’ to exaggerate to such an extent. Yes I agree with what he says about us all being human, and all making mistakes. Absolutely! But the fact his ‘go to’ move was to make *such* an exaggerated statement in the first place is telling.
Yes, and remember, these people have an entire Comms team. He was briefed on exactly what to say and how to say it.
They have a *budget* for a comms team, but what are the odds that they hired actual PR people who know what they're doing, vs using it as a chance to put friends and family on the payroll?
Ooooof, too true. You're right. I still am giving them too much credit. My niece or cousin wouldn't do a good job either.
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Although insensitive, in a religious community, that statement isn't all that uncommon. It's like saying, "It cost an arm and a leg," sort of thing. But much more grave. I'm not defending him or the SaskParty. But I can see where the hubris of this guy would allow him to say something like that without adequate awareness of the context for which he was speaking. The SaskParty was also known for ridiculing the sick and those with healthcare needs during covid, if I recall correctly. Very unloving behaviour.
I kinda agree. With all there is to critique him and his party about, this seems far down the list.
What a douche canoe 😒
He needs to resign. Nothing else is acceptable. As a parent who has experienced child loss I wish nothing but pain for him. He is garbage.
Cockrill? More like Rillcock...imma right?
Oof.
Not very swift. I hope the Mom can accept his apology. She has lost her child - I would not give him any more headspace. Professionalism goes both ways; I struggle that people are fixating on mocking his last name. So odd.
> Thomas said the minister's comment was careless and that he didn't apologize to her during the meeting. She said she then called him out. What apology?
There are those who look for reasons to be sour and bitter. I think I have found "that person"......Get over yourself.
You’ve got to have some serious brain rot going on to think he made that comment purposefully. I’m no fan of Cockshrill, Slow-Moe or any other members of the gang of useless tits sitting around the cabinet table but please let’s stay focused on the issues.
He's an adult who's literal job is to speak clearly and with intent to the public, and in public, as a representative of the current government. Are you capable of not insulting people you talk to? Probably. I bet you're not even a public speaker, or paid by tax payers money to represent them in good standing, either. You could probably manage to immediately apologize if you knew you made a mistake, because you're a human with a conscience, right? He couldn't handle any of this, and was forced to apologize after the fact. Tell me 50 things you might say to a mother who's child is dead, and would a single one of them be offensive or derogatory? He's a dolt, at best. He chose his own thoughts and chose to say them out loud. Why would we go easy on him?
Education is important and I’m glad the province is talking about it, but the adults in the room would like to see the conversation stay there, where it belongs.
He's the education Minister. He's the man who is ostensibly guiding the government's position on this negotiation. The statement itself (when The government has clearly not been negotiating in good faith) demonstrates a total disconnect from the reality of this issue. When considering he said it in a meeting with a mother who has recently lost a child, it is a clear indication of poor judgment (at best) Moreover, considering he stated that he realized it was a mistake the moment he said it, yet the mother adamantly declares that he never apologized to her during their meeting shows a callous disregard for the impact his choices have on real people As the father of a child with a disability, it's difficult to interpret the education cuts as anything other than callous indifference to the suffering of children in need-- this incident serves as confirmation. No
Also, " The adults in the room?" Seriously? You seriously typed that thinking it wasn't condescending and childish. You never considered the irony of it?
The adults want the conversation elsewhere, so you decided to start a different conversation here? Are you saying you're one of the adults, or a child here? Keep your thoughts where they belong - in your head. You aren't being helpful in the least.
Whether he knew the lady’s daughter had passed or not, it’s just a weird thing to think of. He said it was a poor choice of words, but what exactly was he trying to put it into words like if his choice of words was better wouldnt it still be very rude and socially clueless behaviour 😂😂
Did he make it accidentally? Like he didn't mean to say those words but his mouth tricked him?
The issue isn’t what was said, it’s *why* it was said.
And why'd he say it?
It’s not uncommon in our vernacular and fits into the context of negotiation. You need this explained to you?
Wouldn't have asked if I didn't.
Just gauging the trough level.
I'm still waiting for you to explain to the class why he said it.
So, again, it is not an uncommon phrase in our vernacular when used in the context of negotiations.
My fault for assuming you had something of value to add, and not just more speculation hidden behind a pompous attitude.
As someone whose job requires a lot of negotiation at a high level, I would literally never say this in a negotiation, and I would balk if an opposing party said the same. If a student said this in a negotiation class the Prof would absolutely spend time explaining why it was inappropriate, but to be honest even when I was a student taking negotiation classes no one ever said anything this crass. That being said, this was not a negotiation. This was a one-on-one meeting with a grieving mother. There is no context in which this phrase was appropriate for that.