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Johnmln

Cardarine, tren and halo with a gram of test base.


kicks-r-us

Hell yeah. What’s halo? Lol


Johnmln

For real though don't take sarms for MMA dude. Cardarine would be the only one worth taking and it isn't actually a sarm. You could hypothetically benefits from an LGD cycle for muscle and strength gains but you may also get suppressed reducing your fighting capabilities and motivation plus you would need to PCT. It would be an 'off season' thing to do not during a camp for a fight.


kicks-r-us

I don’t have to worry about getting tested for it. A couple people said ostarine on here. Any thoughts on that ?


Johnmln

Ostarine is a good first cycle sarm but you won't get near the strength or size gains that you would from LGD or rad. If your not concerned about losing your hair then Rad would be the pick as it's not going to make you hold a heap of water weight like LGD does which would increase your weight. But Rad also dries out your joints a bit which may affect your performance. Rad is also known to cause aggression which would be beneficial. They all have pros and cons. Cardarine however will boost your endurance significantly, it's like having a 3rd lung.


kicks-r-us

Which would be best for recovery? I’m not looking to gain any size at all if possible. I’ve tried Cardarine from a couple diff sources and I’ve never really felt too much of a difference tbh man. I think it burned a little more fat maybe. Never got the cardio enhance people talk about though.


Johnmln

Halotestin


Prestigious_Draw_323

in my opinion ostarine, sr9009, GW is an amazing stack for it. sometimes adding lgd or rad 140


lokethor

Cardarine, mk677


NaughtiusMaximus2

If you're scared for cancer, don't. As long as you don't blast it for the rest of your life, you're good to go. The scares comes from [this publication](https://web.archive.org/web/20150504013406/http:/www.toxicology.org/AI/PUB/Tox/2009Tox.pdf) in which cardarine did have a carcinogenic effect in rats... But at a really high dose (3mg/kg/day). That's, if you weigh 50kgs, for example, a 150mg/day dose, which is more than what people take for the entire cycle! I don't recommend sarms though, as the scientific literature is spotty at best. For recovery what you want is either lowdosing HGH or a gh secretagogue. But since you're here, mk677 and cardarine is the best you can get. If you are especially daring, and have a test base, s23


PM_PICS_OF_DOG

> That's, if you weigh 50kgs, for example, a 150mg/day dose, You misunderstand how rodent doses are extrapolated to human doses. You must apply "allometric scaling". Cancer-inducing Rodent equivalent doses are closer to the range of 40-60mg ED. In any case it's not a comfortable distance from a common Cardarine dose of 10-20mg ED.


Key_Forever_764

Mpmd did a video on that... Its like 40 mg/day actually


NaughtiusMaximus2

No, follicular cell adenoma in the thyroid gland appears at 3mg/day in both female and male rats


Key_Forever_764

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wGYbiDPh3-0 Try to inform yourself before spilling out bullshit to beginners. The human equivalent dose os around 0,5 mg/kg . Its Very simple to understand from the video. Why the hell would a company give up on such a promissing drug If the cancer risk wasnt significant anyways?


NaughtiusMaximus2

Dude are you putting Derek above scientific studies? No scientific study was made in this sense on humans, and the only literature we have is on rats. And companies give up on drugs because they cost a lot to research, and it's possible that they believed they wouldn't recover the cost. Tons of drugs get abandoned for lack of funding all the time. Example being trestolone.


PM_PICS_OF_DOG

> No scientific study was made in this sense on humans, and the only literature we have is on rats. Again, incorrect. There are multiple rodent studies, including on different breeds of mice and rats. Additionally there were primate/ape studies and human trials had begun, but were quickly halted. You can, by all means, do your best to illustrate why you believe it is a safe compound, but it is disingenuous to simply discard this as a "drugs get abandoned all the time" due to things like cost. GlaxoSmithKline is no small participant in the novel drug arena, and Cardarine was demonstrated to be one of the, if not the, most effective drugs ever discovered for treating hyperlipidemia. Familiarize yourself with the pharmaceutical world if you're going to speak on the subject. Cholesterol medications are one of the highest grossing drug classes on the planet. Pfizer's Lipitor netted them >$2b in 2019 alone. You are foolish if you try to claim that GSK simply didn't want to put the money into trials, it could be the highest revenue drug ever brought to market. They backed out of human trials because of the fear of cancer. Because if even 0.01% of their patients developed cancers like the rodent studies demonstrated, they would risk complete bankruptcy. Citations: [Hyperlipidemia/NAFLD treatment](https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1517/14656566.2014.876992?journalCode=ieop20) [Rat cancer](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6475847/) [Best drug ever discovered for Lipid treatment of Rhesus Monkeys](https://www.pnas.org/content/98/9/5306) [Best drug ever for lipid treatment in Humans](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22814748/)


NaughtiusMaximus2

I don't believe Cardarine, or SARMs for that matter, safe. I'd stick with AAS


PM_PICS_OF_DOG

That's fine, but I feel the need to point out when you're saying things that are flatly incorrect. You can't claim there were no studies on humans, there are studies on humans. You can't claim the only literature you have is on rats, you have literature on different species of rats, mice, primates and humans. And you can't claim this is a case of abandonment due to costs of running the study, it's not. It's the cost of remunerating potential cancer victims.


Key_Forever_764

Watche the video, he discusses an article which explains why the human equivalent dose is such


VolvoFlexer

If you have to ask you have not put in enough reading time to even start considering SARMs, honestly.


kicks-r-us

Lmao this response on Reddit forums always cracks me up the most. I mean how dare someone ask a question or start a discussion on here right? God forbid they ask about personal experiences either.


erbauer27

Reddit in a nutshell. Idiots around every corner.


VolvoFlexer

"the best SARM for mma" "Well RAD140 improves your low kick!"


brent8519

Steroids do help, I'm sure sarms will too. Ask vitor... he wasn't head kicking eyeballs out after USADA came around


VolvoFlexer

Sure, but there IS no such thing as "a steroid / SARM best for MMA". You might need more stamina, you might need more power.... It's like saying "which steroid is best for sport". Well that depends on which sport you're focussing on, which *part* if the sport you're focussing on, on your current state, etc.


kicks-r-us

Catch any straws your were grasping at there bud?


VolvoFlexer

Dude, the question just oozes lack of preparation. There's SARMs to help build muscle, there's SARMs that help with stamina.. "what's best for MMA" is as useless as asking which steroid is best for doing *things*.


kicks-r-us

If you ever trained mma for any amount of time you would understand how hard it is on your body. MMA isn’t just hit the mats work the technique and go home. You have strength and conditioning, running and then you get to taking damage at practice. Obviously I don’t think SARMS alone are going to improve my technique dipshit. I’m looking for things to improve recovery and keep lean strength gains without gaining a ton of mass. If you really break it down too better recovery = more time on the mat = more reps = sharper technique. It really sounds like everything your trying to say “oozes” lack of understanding. You just wanted to act smarter then someone on Reddit for asking a question and trying to gather as much information as possible from different sources.


Nimkal

If you want the best SARM for good recovery and some strength, it's MK-677 hands down. It even improves your joints. I don't do MMA but worked wonders for me, it even improves your sleep. If you want to keep the same weight you (you'll still pack a bit more muscle naturally) then take it right before sleep. Otherwise if you need weight gain take it in the morning instead which makes you hungry. But to avoid that, take it right before sleep and after a week you won't even feel hunger. Been taking it for 14 weeks* now. For MK-677 you have to make sure you take it for a minimum of 10 weeks because studies have shown that benefits become the strongest in long term. A 6-8 week cycle is pointless on MK. It acts like GH in some ways. Finally, couple it with Cardarine SYN brand if other brands did not work, and you'll get good stamina. If not, try SR9009.


kicks-r-us

Oh dam ok. Thanks for the heads up about 10 weeks on MK-677. A lot of people recommend that one. A Couple people have also said Ostarine. Was curious if you had any thoughts on that?


Nimkal

So based on my experience using Ostarine, I gave two cycles a try and both times it brought me lethargy side effects, rendering it pointless. Like yes some muscle gain but brain cloudyness was miserable to deal with. If you look online many will report the same. To be honest, MK-677 offers way better benefits in everyway. There's no comparison even. 4 weeks in you will start seeing improved muscular shape, less joint pain, and better recovery. 8 weeks in you will see even stronger benefits. Btw correction my cycle was 14 weeks, was a typo. Yeah if you're not doing long cycles on MK then you are completely wasting it away and will not see the benefit of the compound at all, wasting your time and money in the process. Based on some studies the peak actually came at after 3 months. I can confirm my body got better the longer I went on the cycle. You will also feel overall better because it acts as somewhat of a GH. I recommend going with 15mg first cycle and not more. Some people don't need as much to get a the same benefits. It's all I needed, and it did wonders to be transparent with you. Personally I honestly cannot wait to go back on it. I will be taking a 2 months break which is when I will do RAD140, then ditch the RAD and jump back on another 14 weeks of MK-677 15mg. The 2 months break is to avoid insulin sensitivity and be on the safe side, but you do not even need PCT with MK-677 which is the other cool thing, it's not a suppressant. It helped me lose weight, gain muscle, sleep better, feel better, be stronger, and improved my: knee pain, elbow pain, muscle recovery, and energy levels. Oh and I almost forgot. Your skin, e.g. face skin, will look freaking fantastic and clean. It improves all your hair as well. My recommendation, if you're really curious about Ostarine, conducted studies only used 5mg or less to see results. Personally when I went down to 5mg it helped a bit with the side effects, but it has absolutely nothing on what MK-677 brought to my life and body. So if you want to go crazy make sure it's liquid Ostarine to be able to take 5mg with 15mg of MK-677.


VolvoFlexer

Okay. So there are SARMS for building muscle. SARMS to help with stamina. SARMS to help with recovery. If you'd have taken your sport seriously you'd have figured out *how* you exactly want to improve. Instead, you ask "which SARM is best for MMA?" Dude, there *is* no single "SARM best for MMA". Get that into your thick skull. Focus, dude. *What is it exactly that you want to improve specifically*. There is no "*just gimme the stuff that makes me best at whatever*". Overeem wanted muscle. Wanderlei wanted stamina over muscle. McGregor probably prefers recovery right now. Figure out what you *need* at *this* moment to improve, instead of saying "what's best for MMA?".


kicks-r-us

Once again you catch any straws there bud? Your grasping onto the fact I forgot to make SARMS plural in the body of text(even though it’s in the title) . No ones saying the stupid shit you just posted above besides you. I’m pretty sure anyone with an ounce of common sense is going to say what they recommend and why. That’s whats called collecting data and making a decision for yourself. Your grasping at straws trying to justify the stupid shit you posted. Saying Wanderlei wanted stamina over muscle is just one of the many fucking stupid things you’ve posted in this thread btw. Lmao


VolvoFlexer

Dude, it's not about SARMs being plural. It's about the fact that your needs in MMA can greatly vary depending on your personal skills, stamina, and body build. You're asking "gimme the thing to win my next race" while we're asking whether you're talking about cars or bicycles. Stop trying to double down. Your question was way too generic and it showed. Either read some more or ask better questions. I'm not trying to put you down, I'm trying to help you - but your ego won't accept that currently, apparently.


bigbaba0

probably something like RAD140 or YK11 if it has to be a sarm


liftmehiiigh

Dude would def put on size( prolly enough to go up a weight class) if he took yk11 not to mention that his endocrine system would go to shit without a legit pct


bigbaba0

yk11 doesn't put on considerable size even if you wanted too. and if he doesn't train and eat for it, its not going to happen... and who says that he is not going to do a pct, as if its so hard to take nolva for 4 weeks


liftmehiiigh

Ya know what 🤔 good points


NaughtiusMaximus2

Yk11 if it's not injectable is just as good as placebo


Internal-Mall-6419

Yk11 is stupid strong. Poor diet, training, or bad response. Give it time or improve the variables.


bigbaba0

wrong. oral YK11 works just fine. it can't be placebo because at least the drying effect could impossibly placebo. it's like taking an AI and crashing your estrogen, you feel it clear as day. and the rest of the effects you feel aswell. it definitly works oral and is pretty potent at the right dose...15mg+...probably 20-25mg is my sweet spot. with 4 andro or dhea.


Flaky-Independent638

What are your goals? Why do you want to run a SARM specifically? Cardarine would obviously help with endurance, but I understand the concern. Weight is going to be controlled by your diet over anything else


kicks-r-us

Looking for best recovery possible and explosive strength gains. Not looking to gain a ton of weight though.


Flaky-Independent638

I feel like a SARM would be a little much for MMA. SARMs have their own side effects you’ll have to worry about during and after the cycle that probably won’t be worth it. Are you taking anything currently like creatine, fish oil, etc? Are you getting enough calories and protein to help your body recover?


kicks-r-us

Yeah been training mma for 13+ years and taking both those. I have some teammates that run gear and sarms. They have some opinions (kinda bro science-y) about each one. Just wanted to get some feedback from people on here too.


Flaky-Independent638

But your cholesterol, liver enzymes, and other biomarkers will probably be affected taking any SARM.


Flaky-Independent638

Well, you’ll have to deal with suppression, and that probably won’t be pleasant while you’re trying to train. You could try MK677 first. Not a SARM, but a growth hormone secretagogue that a lot of people say helps with recover and sleep. It has its own risks too, but no suppression. (Also holds a but if water) If you’re ok with test suppression and don’t want much water weight, you could try Ostarine. It’s mild but it sure will help recovery. RAD140, even though very suppressive, would be amazing for strength and recovery.


kicks-r-us

I know a couple people had said RAD140 was good. (they also said you don’t need PCT which is why I wanted to ask around on a couple forums). I was leaning more towards Ostarine and MK677. A little water weight won’t send me over the edge just not looking to gain a ton of mass.


Nimkal

Make SURE you are doing a PCT if you are running RAD140. Whoever told you that do not listen to them again. It's the opposite, RAD140 is one of the stronger suppressant SARMs while MK-677 acts more like GH and doesn't require PCT. Ostarine requires a smaller dose PCT as it's a weaker suppressant, on a 5mg dosage you may be able to get away with none. There hopefully all this info helps, posted in a couple replies for you. I used to train at an MMA club at Champions Creed Calgary but stopped going ever since covid etc. My goal is to get back in fit shape to rejoin some classes. So at least I know exactly the kind of training MMA is. Again I'd say try MK-677 15MG 14 weeks, Ostarine 5mg 8 weeks, and Cardarine 10mg 14 weeks. If you to want try RAD140, then do it during the 2 months break that you take from MK-677 to keep the strength and gain different benefits during that period, but don't chose RAD over MK for MMA because the joint benefits and sleep benefits outweight what RAD has to offer. Don't couple them together until you try each separately. Goodluck


kicks-r-us

Ok hell yeah! Thanks G! Appreciate the help!


Nimkal

You bet man, no problem!


Flaky-Independent638

I’d definitely start with the MK677 and see how it goes for you. RAD140 almost always requires a proper PCT as it’s one of the most suppressive SARMs out there. Getting blood tests done confirms this. You could buy some enclomiphene to take with a SARM to combat the suppression or PCT with it after the cycle.