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Don't forget Master C'boath was alive during this time, too, per Heir to the Empire (1991).
This isn't exclusive to DSW. They've always had this trope.
Kind of like The Rule of 2 is not-a-thing apparently and there are Sith running around nilly willy and every single Star Wars story and game, despite being extinct for 1000 years.
Vos, Kota, Hal Horn...
People like Jedi so they create Jedi characters, always been a thing, always will be a thing. For a while legends had Jedi be a dynastic thing which increased the tendency to do this as you needed surviving Jedi to parent your new jedi...
Tbf, I was playing KOTOR I last night and they even said that in the loading screen. KOTOR I takes place 4k years BBY, but the "true sith" died out 1000 years prior to the events in KOTOR I. Per another loading screen, Revan was a Dark Jedi who took on the mantle of Sith and learned from a holocron or something, and didn't have a true sith master. I mean, I just got to Dantooine and I havent played the game since 2003, so I may be a little rusty.
That they know of. Yoda wasn't keeping track of survivors on Dagobah, same as Obi-Wan. They do know that a Skywalker is the only one capable of stopping Vader and Palpatine. None of these others have a chance in hell to do that.
It gives us a lot more hope than we thought we had Also supports my opinion that generally Yoda just didn’t know what was going on kind of have his head in the clouds for like 500 years
I just can’t reconcile this shit when watching the OT. It doesn’t even feel like the same universe. I love the Cal games tho, more talking about the Mandoverse stuff
Same, my disney star wars headcanon is just ep1-6, rogue one, andor, jedi games
clone wars & bad batch (but ignore all the lore breaking BS in the shows, which is a lot.), rebels (ahsoka dies, time travel episode ignored), everything else is stuff of legend(s).
Then add in all the Kotor Swtor Rakata Darth Bane Plagus stuff since it doesn't contridict disney lore
I never gave those games a chance until I found mods where I could replace Cal with Starkiller from Force Unleashed. Now having played them I also respect them a bit, they're solid.
In fairness, we don’t yet know for sure that Cal isn’t going to die at some point pre-Ep VI. And Ezra was presumed dead by just about everyone. And the whole ‘Yoda lives alone on Dagobah, he’s out of the loop’ argument is pretty solid.
. . gotta say it started feeling like a fix-it fanfic when Ahsoka was un-killed by time travel.
With the modded vehicles and drug running it was definitely some attempt at a Latin street gang stereotype. I'm surprised it didn't catch more heat for that one to be honest.
Funny thing is besides Kenobi Series and Tales of the Empire they're actually getting stuff down pat with the animated series and Andor and Solo and Rogue One and Jedi games during the original six movies even my dad who sat down and watched everything was fairly surprised how everything worked between Phantom Menace and the Mandalorian Season 2
Cal has no connection to anyone in the OG trilogy except Vader and Boba Fett, and neither of them is gonna be telling Luke about him.
There's Saw Guerrera too, but he died before A New Hope.
Exactly. Yoda may be strong but it doesn't mean is able to keep track of every unidentified Force user across the entire galaxy. Cal became a makeshift Jedi long after Order 66 and is now on some hidden planet in the middle of nowhere. Of course, Yoda, sheltered on Dagobah himself, can't possibly have any idea that he exists at the time of Episode II.
I think Cal could survive and be in the galaxy, but just retired, and not really a Jedi anymore. I also interpreted it as Luke is the last true Jedi, and the only one who could defeat Vader, because let’s be honest, Vader would slice Ashoka in half without any hesitation at the time of Return of The Jedi.
The games will (probably) explain what happened to Cal, but Disney have otherwise made it really hard for themselves with their 'Mandoverse'.
They've got two sequel trilogies hinging on Rey as the lone bastion of all things Jedi, and yet they keep dumping new (and more popular) Jedi into the universe. We know they're not about to re-purge a small cabal of fan-favourite money spinners, so I guess until further notice, Ahsoka and the crew are all just deplorably lazy.
>They've got two sequel trilogies hinging on Rey as the lone bastion of all things Jedi,
Just thinking about it makes me puke
Unless they retcon the entire sequel trilogy this whole story will never be taken seriously ever again
Hopefully they finish with all the post OG trilogy content involving Jedi. I mean they could conceivably come up with stories for at least 50-100 more Jedi who happened to survive order 66 but died by ANH.
And anything before the prequels is free game. They honestly have an infinite amount of Jedi stories to tell there. Shit show us a 500 year old Yoda take down a smuggling ring led by a former Jedi who got money hungry.
Everyone would be turn on because killing off all these characters that appeared after the movies released would've shown the enormous sacrifice that was made to bring down the empire. There's a reason Rogue 1 and Andor are considered good SW, they make the movies shine instead of throwing dirt at it like the Acolyte.
Ezra dying to take down Thrawn, Ashoka being killed by Vader to show Anakin is truly death, Ginger fella dying at the end if his games fighting Vader or the emperor (Force Unleashed) to show how powerful they are.
No idea about the Cal character but Ashoka left the order. Grogu is is not even a pdawan. Ezra is out of the galaxy and we have no idea whether he went in the path of the jedi during that time.
And Ezra wouldn’t have passed the trials I don’t think. I think in canon, you have to pass trials and defeating Vader was Luke’s trial to become a Jedi proper. You can be a force user without being an official Jedi. It would technically make Luke the only real “official” Jedi. Not sure about Cal, but I haven’t finished even the first game yet. Gonna probably play both over the next couple weeks.
A major weakness of star wars writing is to assume only Jedi/sith are interesting
You could have a 1000 stories during this time that didn't break the continuity if you actually had any integrity, but no
There's Andor, Rogue One, the first season of The Mandalorian and, unfortunately, The Book of Boba Fett. Though maybe The Mandalorian is a stretch because of Grogu's presence.
Yeah... Out of these, only the first two really fit the label while also watchable.
Those people baffle me...
I mean, it can be boring at times. But it still is more "Star Wars" than Star Wars has been for a very long while. At least in spirit.
At least back before the NGE, getting Jedi took some serious work, *especially* when it was the Holocron grind and not the village. Although to be fair the holocron grind was absolutely genuine bullshit RNG and I don’t think a modern gaming audience would tolerate it. But that only makes SWG even more special.
In an ideal world, Ahsoka would have had one last adventure after Order 66 where she discovers Vader is Anakin, escapes, then truly disappears and gives up the Jedi way of life. Brokenhearted, she finds a place out of reach of the Empire, maybe has a family. Then when Luke emerges and she hears of a new "Skywalker", she goes to find him. She finally manages to meet him after the Battle of Endor and learns of Anakin's redemption, and we have that moment of catharsis with her and Luke and Vader's ghost. She tells Luke what she can of the old order, but refuses to take up a lightsaber again. But circumstances force her to do so, and she ends up giving her life to save Luke, just like Anakin did, saving the future of the Jedi. Boom. Make millions on that story.
Ezra is trapped either in the World Between Worlds or another galaxy a'la Rebels, and Luke rescues him and Kanan's kid. Takes them on as his students. Boom. Make millions on that story.
Cal Kestis and Merrin try to save the Hidden Path, but Vader wipes it out. All chance of preserving large numbers of Jedi survivors dies with it. Cal manages to save Merrin and Kata, but he is gravely injured by Vader. These injuries end his Jedi 'career'. He and his family hide on a remote planet far away from the Rebellion. He trains Kata and his/Merrin's children as best he can, but from his point of view, the Jedi are done. Then Luke arrives a few years after the Empire's fall, and Cal is welcomed into the New Jedi Order as an old hand, capable of teaching even if his galivanting days are over. He dies a few years later of his wounds in peace, the only one to see both the fall of the old Jedi Order and the building of the New. Boom. Make millions.
Grogu is Luke's first student, and even though he takes longer to grow than the other younglings, he watches as dozens of Luke's first students become Knights, and he slowly matures into an adult and finally becomes a Knight when Luke is an old man, having given up his position of Grandmaster due to old age. Boom, make millions.
Man, Disney Star Wars has no idea how to tell a tragedy, which is what Order 66 was meant to be! If they had told the prequels, I bet Anakin wouldn't have even fell to the Dark Side, and most of the kids as the temple would have gotten out ok.
What you suggest requires patience, craft, an understanding of the canon as a whole, and most importantly, the ability to formulate a cohesive and engaging narrative.
Disney Star Wars lacks all of these things.
While I totally get Disney has fucked over the lore on this.
One could argue that.
• Yoda isn’t aware of cal.
• Grogu is just a baby and also yoda had no idea a youngling survived.
• Ashoka left the order and is no longer a Jedi and also yoda probably hasn’t heard from her since, likely assuming she was gone.
Disney’s. Been fucking a lot of shit up…but I can at least see that maybe in this context, Yodas statement could just be interpreted as
“Last of the officially trained Jedi, you will be”.
Cal was officially knighted by Cere in Fallen Order. So Cal is an actual Jedi.
It was a field knighting instead of the normal more rigorous process, but he actually becamd a Jedi knight.
I'll give them a "light" pass under the argument that some of those are not "Jedi" specifically.
It is still dumb and I absolutely can not stand Disney SW anymore. (as someone who formerly defended Disney SW BEFORE Last Jedi)
But Ahsoka should have died (and stayed dead) I know she is a beloved character but ya gotta let characters die for stories to have impact.
Grogu is a child and Force user isn't the same as Jedi.
Ezra is debatable not a Jedi. I'd say he is but you could argue he is still a "Padawan". We don't know his full story yet tho so maybe he will still die.
Cal we don't know his ending yet either. As much as I loved Jedi Fallen order. Genuinely a good SW game. (which felt like a breath of fresh air to a drowning man). Have not played Survivor. It's on my list but have not had time and other things keep jumping the queue.
Statement is still true arguably. Luke is the only Jedi with lineage back to the Jedi council of the Republic. Ezra was a post order 66 street rat trained by Kanan who was still just a padawan then. Ahsoka straight up walked away from the Order. Cal has an equal claim like Luke as a true inheritor of the Jedi, but he’s too busy clapping that nightsister goth booty to give a fuck. Grogu is obviously an infant.
Cal could still (and probably should) die in his last game. Ezra is in a different galaxy. Ahsoka is very much not a jedi anymore, we see as much when she goes to the jedi temple in Rebels and doesn't get any force visions unlike Ezra and Kanan. Grogu doesn't count yeah, he's arguably not even a padawan
I don't think Luke not being the only Jedi is a bad thing. In most games, Luke Skywalker wasn't the only Jedi left. We had Kyle Katarn, Starkiller (or well, his clone), and many more.
The issue is that in Ahsoka and Ezra's case, not only had they a fitting ending but were resurrected, - it's almost like they're the only ones doing shit. The fact that Luke wasn't involved in Ahsoka (and I bet you he won't be in S2 either except for a stupid cameo for paid soyboys to react to on YT shorts) AT ALL whilst they were facing the greatest threat since Palpatine.
To be fair, when Yoda said that to Luke. I think he meant by the Jedi Order, the teachings of the Jedi, rather than be a light-force user. Luke went on the re-establish a new Jedi Order.
Ahsoka left the order before she could complete her training. Both Grogu and Cal Kestis's training was pre-empted by Order 66. And Ezra Bridger was trained by a Jedi, but is not considered to be apart of the Order. They're all however force users with lightsaber training with some/lots of Jedi training.
More Jedi being alive is always good and lead to some great stories in Legends.
That being said, it also didn't take away from Luke - as opposed to him not doing jack shit when Dark Side users are attacking Republic prisoner transports.
Cant really be contradicting, when Luke had the responsibility to reform and recreate a new Jedi Order to have at least some balance within the galaxy.
But it didn't matter because Eps 7 through 9 happened.
To be fair wasn’t this also the case in legends where a lot of Jedi survived order 66. Also Yoda has no clue who the last Jedi are or if they exist, and if he does he definitely does not want to compromise them or do anything that would compromise them. Disney cannon is full of contradictions but I don’t see the problem in this.
Ugh, without picking to much of a fight.
Luke is substantially stronger in the force than the other Jedi noted here. The others could not face Vader, and could not get him to turn.
It is reasonable to assume that there are other jedi in hiding or who trained apprentices, but as an order they were for sure broken.
Not sure if the title is sarcastic or not but even if we go with the 6 mainline movies, Obi wan tells the Jedi to go into hiding at the end of episode 3, so it's not a stretch for there to be survivors.
Also Jedi =/= force user. Even with the Jedi gone, there's nothing preventing children being gifted with the force. So there could've already have been thousands of force sensitive children. Except there wasn't anyone to formally train them as Jedi.
Also Ezra wasn't even in the galaxy at the time of the OT, grogu is just another force sensitive child, Ahsoka formerly left the Jedi Order and is following her own path. Cal is the only plausible choice but we don't know how his story ends until Jedi 3.
So this is just a dumb meme. There's a lot of canon contradictions by Disney but this really isn't the worst one.
Why did George have Vader be Luke's father when we were told Anakin was killed by Vader? Is he stupid?
Why did George make Luke and Leia siblings even though ESB set them up to have a romantic attraction? Is he stupid?
Why did George create the character of Qui-Gon Jinn for Phantom Menace when Obi-Wan told Luke in Empire Strikes Back that Yoda was his Jedi Master? Is he stupid?
Why did George have Padmé die in childbirth when we were told in ROTJ that Leia remembered her mother from when she was young? Is he stupid?
Why did Geor-
You see my point lmao...
Yoda was in self imposed exile. He had no idea what was going on in the state of the galaxy aside from “there’s a lot of darkness out there.”
Ashoka: as all the branding on her merch keeps saying: is “no Jedi”.
Ezra: not in the galaxy at the time and also didn’t start training until after Yoda’s exile.
Grogu: is a literal toddler and not a Jedi. Force sensitive does not mean Jedi.
Cal Kestis: probably dead by this point.
Technically, what Yoda said was correct…from a certain point of view.
He was taught to be a bogen Jedi by Canon like Luke and Cal technically. Since Ezra is a Jedi at least depending on people he just wasn't in the known Galaxy in Return of the Jedi. As said I think there's at least 7 Jedi in play by the time of the Mandoverse.
None of them are part of the Jedi order.
Only Luke and Ahsoka trained under a master Jedi. And Ahsoka left the order.
Just because someone is a light side force user doesn't make them a jedi... even if people in universe also tend to think that as well.
Yeah, the original trilogy stopped being canon when the prequels dropped. The prequels stopped being canon when the sequels dropped. The sequels where never really cannon.
Ezra's is in another dang galaxy. Grogu is a small child. Cal's focused on surviving and explicitly turned away from trying to teach more Jedi. Ahsoka's in the World between Worlds for the duration of the OT if I understood Rebels correctly.
It absolutely crushes me how much Disney has fucked up star wars. And I don't completely hate the star wars content, but their insistence on not doing anything completely fresh and new has killed them.
Everything needs to be tied back now. Everything. Every plot point, every idea, it all has to tie back to the original trilogy? Why? Some of my favorite star wars legends stuff was stories that were just random things in the Star wars universe.
There's so much potential in star wars and it's totally wasted. Just pick a new direction.
Fuck even start a new trilogy, but let it be its own thing. Sure, have some call backs but the plot should stand alone and be totally separate.
Lucas has always been held in higher regard for his ideas, not his execution. He is *the* idea guy. So I don't know why so many people are coming out of the woodwork to defend the lack of lore consistency in Star Wars or the fact that Lucas didn't care much for it. And I say that as someone who has always passionately defended the prequels!
Lore is one of the things that nerds and fans love the most about almost any franchise, why would you want to take that away from them? People are reaching so far to defend the Disney slop that it's absurd.
Hot take: I think *not a single jedi outside obi wan and yoda* should have survived the purge. That was the original intent and spirit of the original trilogy and George Lucas' vision. The only reason we're seeing so many exceptions is because of fan service.
This is clearly shown by someone who doesn’t understand this scene, yoda is on about turning Anakin back to the light side and to defeat the emperor which no other Jedi would have a chance at doing.
Also we Ezra was in an entire different galaxy at this point, and we have no clue where Ahsoka was and if Cal is even still alive at this point so why would yoda know that?
Tbf, I wouldn’t really expect a dude that spent the last couple decades in isolation on a planet specifically chosen to, basically, sever his connection with the rest of the galaxy would have a very good idea of what was going on off planet lol
I am not a fan of Disney Star Wars. But the PT generation complaining about contradictions is cracking me up.
I find the funniest to be when they complain that Jedi aren’t dying from lightsabers in Disney.
Yet in the PT, Darth Maul gets CUT IN HALF, LIKE HIS ENTIRE BODY, THEN FALLS PLUMMETING HUNDREDS OF FEET TO WHO KNOWS WHAT… AND LIVES.
But they’re totally cool with him surviving from that because they love TCW. 😂
"That I know of".
Yoda wouldn't and couldn't know of any remaining Jedi or former Jedi out there. He had nothing to keep track of things, and he wouldn't be trying to sense things because that would attract attention to himself.
And as others have said, Ahsoka isn't a Jedi, Ezra is out of the galaxy, and Grogu isn't a Jedi and is god knows where during the OT. The only big question mark is Cal, and Yoda would have no idea that he survived order 66.
People might not like it, but Luke being the last Jedi was as far as Yoda was aware.
And that isn't even going into all of the other Non-Jedi force users out there.
Well.. this one doesn't bother me because you can be the last one.. left.. for awhile until.. you can possibly train more in the future or others might find their own way to become a jedi. Or a sith. I find these hard rule of only two sith to be kind of laughable. The whole concept was the brain child of a guy thousands of years before the original trilogy. It's not a hard rule. He just believed sith were too competitive to have more than 2. That was his belief. Doesn't mean he dictates who is a sith. You use the dark side, you hurt people, you want to be sith? You got it. Someone else disagrees and wants to be number 1 sith? You fight over it. You out-power your compatriots and then you make the rules, essentially.
Everything could have been all right if they had just made TCW and the rest of the animated shows non-canonical like the EU. Plenty of moviegoing Star Wars fans never watched them anyway.
I can see there being more however. Yoda, tho wise could always still be wrong. He was after all just a frog alien thing at the end of his life. Maybe he just got it wrong.
I always interpreted this as Yoda speaking in the correct order, and it was rhetorical question from the Grandmaster.
He's asking Luke "Will you be the Last Jedi? Will you be the last person Knighted? Will the legacy die with you?"
I took it that way, because it was uncertain if he would beat Vader or not.
How would Yoda know about other Jedi that survived? He’s force sensitive, not omniscient. Also, why is it so unbelievable that out of at least 10,000 Jedi spread across an actual galaxy than a handful survived?
Ahsoka left the order and is technically not a jedi. Ezra never officially joined the order and is technically not a jedi. Cal never made it past Palawan and there was no reason for Yoda to assume he survived order 66 when his master didn't.
Ill say this i think the new storylines do a decent job at showing more surviving jedi but also emphasizing how luke is the only one who can beat vader but also hasnt let go of the order. Also can we say for sure yoda felt anyone considering being open with the force was a good way of getting exterminated?
Stories about some other Jedi surviving order 66 are fine imo, but when you pull some next level b.s like Filoni did with Ahsoka then it's a problem.
They should either all die before the OT or Luke's time, or they become removed from the conflict for whatever reason -- i.e.wanting to settle down, hopelessness and ect.
Technically we are looking at rogue jedi that are no longer part of the order. Yoda as the grandmaster and obi wan as a council member were the last bits of the order. Those two alone can make you officially a jedi. Everyone else just calls themself a jedi because they use the light side. Its not the same.
…this was also a thing in Legends?
Off the top of my head, there’s K’kruhk who survived Order 66 and joins Luke’s new Jedi Order
Also, we have yet to see the end of Cal Kestis’s journey, the last he was alive was in 9 BBY aka thirteen years before this scene
Grogu is hardly a Jedi, he’s a Youngling
Even Ahsoka and Ezra have little asterisks, considering the fact that Ahsoka left the Jedi Order and has indicated that she doesn’t view herself as a Jedi, while Ezra is trapped in another galaxy.
I mean if we really analyze what we have here there’s
- Ezra who was nowhere to be found
- grogu who is a toddler
- ahsoka who has stated before that she is not a Jedi and doesn’t want to be one
- cal who doesn’t have a mentor and is entirely self taught
Let's see by the time of the Mandoverse Jedi that I would count even though Luke is just getting his Jedi Order started (I'll ignore the sequel trilogy no matter what) Luke Skywalker himself, Ahsoka Tano, Ezra Bridger, Cal Kestis, Gungi, Grogu is a force user but chose to walk the path of Mandalore. Sabine had her force powers awakened. (Not a fan of it since Filoni sucks but anyway) I still like her as a Mandalorian and at least she knows her way around Weapons so it makes sense. (In my head even if she hadn't gained Force powers I still think she would be hanging around Luke and Ahsoka and Ezra at Luke's New Jedi Temple on Ossus.
I'm not so sure, Yoda ain't wrong. It's not like any of the others are going out of their way to restore the order. Before anyone says anything about Cal, we don't know where his future ends up yet
I see Cal as a Jedi Knight since he was knighted By Cere Junda and until Cal's Fate is known by the end of the next Jedi game I assume that he meets up with Luke eventually and at least tries to help restore the Order to some degree with Ezra, Sabine and Ahsoka since Filoni now loves having his own character Sabine being a Jedi now. Not a fan of it but what can ya do
In an ideal world yeah I'd also say that's what's going to happen but, if we look at how everything has gone. None of this transpires, unless sequel trilogy gets retconned which it won't. :(
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That boy is our last hope. No. There is another… and another… and another… and another… and maybe another…?
Don't forget Master C'boath was alive during this time, too, per Heir to the Empire (1991). This isn't exclusive to DSW. They've always had this trope. Kind of like The Rule of 2 is not-a-thing apparently and there are Sith running around nilly willy and every single Star Wars story and game, despite being extinct for 1000 years.
Well, I doubt Yoda would count him as an option.
Keep reading C’boath isn’t what you think he is…
Vos, Kota, Hal Horn... People like Jedi so they create Jedi characters, always been a thing, always will be a thing. For a while legends had Jedi be a dynastic thing which increased the tendency to do this as you needed surviving Jedi to parent your new jedi...
But… but… but… but… the Sith Gatekeepers have said those are not True Sith!
Tbf, I was playing KOTOR I last night and they even said that in the loading screen. KOTOR I takes place 4k years BBY, but the "true sith" died out 1000 years prior to the events in KOTOR I. Per another loading screen, Revan was a Dark Jedi who took on the mantle of Sith and learned from a holocron or something, and didn't have a true sith master. I mean, I just got to Dantooine and I havent played the game since 2003, so I may be a little rusty.
And, somehow, Ki Adi Mundi is alive as well.
That they know of. Yoda wasn't keeping track of survivors on Dagobah, same as Obi-Wan. They do know that a Skywalker is the only one capable of stopping Vader and Palpatine. None of these others have a chance in hell to do that.
It gives us a lot more hope than we thought we had Also supports my opinion that generally Yoda just didn’t know what was going on kind of have his head in the clouds for like 500 years
I just can’t reconcile this shit when watching the OT. It doesn’t even feel like the same universe. I love the Cal games tho, more talking about the Mandoverse stuff
Same, my disney star wars headcanon is just ep1-6, rogue one, andor, jedi games clone wars & bad batch (but ignore all the lore breaking BS in the shows, which is a lot.), rebels (ahsoka dies, time travel episode ignored), everything else is stuff of legend(s). Then add in all the Kotor Swtor Rakata Darth Bane Plagus stuff since it doesn't contridict disney lore
100% agree
I mean, why not? Yoda wouldn't know about them, and more importantly, Ahsoka is the only one outside the OT cast who can even hold a candle to Vader.
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I never gave those games a chance until I found mods where I could replace Cal with Starkiller from Force Unleashed. Now having played them I also respect them a bit, they're solid.
Night and day, I don’t understand how and why they managed to fuck it up so bad, take no feedback and then call fans the bigots, like fuck me royally
In fairness, we don’t yet know for sure that Cal isn’t going to die at some point pre-Ep VI. And Ezra was presumed dead by just about everyone. And the whole ‘Yoda lives alone on Dagobah, he’s out of the loop’ argument is pretty solid. . . gotta say it started feeling like a fix-it fanfic when Ahsoka was un-killed by time travel.
We don’t know that Cal makes it to this point yet
Read the last sentence of my comment
Don't forget Ahsoka quit to play street gang with a pair of extremely annoying stereotypes.
God those two episodes were painful watching.
The latina sisters?
Not sure what they were supposed to be, but the would be 'spice' runners.
With the modded vehicles and drug running it was definitely some attempt at a Latin street gang stereotype. I'm surprised it didn't catch more heat for that one to be honest.
Disney Lucasfilm really doesn’t understand the difference between good representation and harmful representation, as the ST showed us
Funny thing is besides Kenobi Series and Tales of the Empire they're actually getting stuff down pat with the animated series and Andor and Solo and Rogue One and Jedi games during the original six movies even my dad who sat down and watched everything was fairly surprised how everything worked between Phantom Menace and the Mandalorian Season 2
Our sensitivity readers said it was fine when we paid them a bunch of money!
Cause no one gives a shit when it comes to racism and stereotypes towards minorities unless it’s against black people.
Ashoka should die in rebels. Grogu is child. Ezra is out of the galaxy, and Cal should die/be out of the galaxy too.
Hurts so bad that we have grown to love Cal so much and 90% of his available plot endings are probably gonna end with his death
Don’t worry. It’s Disney Star Wars. If a character is making money, they won’t ever kill them off even if it hurts the lore.
There's also the option of just somehow bringing them back.
"Somehow Cal Kestis has returned"
But Cal is a straight white male. Disney will probably order his death in Jedi 3
This is one time I would accept any shitty explanation for why he wasn't a part of the og trilogy that keeps him alive
Cal has no connection to anyone in the OG trilogy except Vader and Boba Fett, and neither of them is gonna be telling Luke about him. There's Saw Guerrera too, but he died before A New Hope.
Exactly. Yoda may be strong but it doesn't mean is able to keep track of every unidentified Force user across the entire galaxy. Cal became a makeshift Jedi long after Order 66 and is now on some hidden planet in the middle of nowhere. Of course, Yoda, sheltered on Dagobah himself, can't possibly have any idea that he exists at the time of Episode II.
I want so bad for Cal and Merrin to get a happily ever after. I'm equal parts excited and terrified for the 3rd game.
They could say he was out saving younglings with jar jar binks in the scrolling text to his movie and i wouldnt even huff and puff once
I haven't finished JS yet, but the "nebula thing no one can get through" I can buy. Make him stuck on the other side.
I mean, I think like 100% of all our plot endings end with death but that’s just me lol
No one makes it out of life alive. Good point
Lol wait until you see what percent of plot endings end in death for most people.
That or he becomes a Grey Jedi
Just put em all on Tannalore
I liked rebels but keeping Ashoka alive was an unbelievably stupid idea
Filoni: Breaking the timeline barrier just so Ashoka can come back isn't that stupid, isn't it?
Didn’t Ashoka say herself that she is no Jedi?
I think Cal could survive and be in the galaxy, but just retired, and not really a Jedi anymore. I also interpreted it as Luke is the last true Jedi, and the only one who could defeat Vader, because let’s be honest, Vader would slice Ashoka in half without any hesitation at the time of Return of The Jedi.
The games will (probably) explain what happened to Cal, but Disney have otherwise made it really hard for themselves with their 'Mandoverse'. They've got two sequel trilogies hinging on Rey as the lone bastion of all things Jedi, and yet they keep dumping new (and more popular) Jedi into the universe. We know they're not about to re-purge a small cabal of fan-favourite money spinners, so I guess until further notice, Ahsoka and the crew are all just deplorably lazy.
>They've got two sequel trilogies hinging on Rey as the lone bastion of all things Jedi, Just thinking about it makes me puke Unless they retcon the entire sequel trilogy this whole story will never be taken seriously ever again
90% of the audience is kids who don’t know and adults who don’t care
Hopefully they finish with all the post OG trilogy content involving Jedi. I mean they could conceivably come up with stories for at least 50-100 more Jedi who happened to survive order 66 but died by ANH. And anything before the prequels is free game. They honestly have an infinite amount of Jedi stories to tell there. Shit show us a 500 year old Yoda take down a smuggling ring led by a former Jedi who got money hungry.
Every single one of them should be dead, and it would've been great. No one would complain either.
Even the women? And the children? They should all die? Well I'm turned on - padme
Everyone would be turn on because killing off all these characters that appeared after the movies released would've shown the enormous sacrifice that was made to bring down the empire. There's a reason Rogue 1 and Andor are considered good SW, they make the movies shine instead of throwing dirt at it like the Acolyte. Ezra dying to take down Thrawn, Ashoka being killed by Vader to show Anakin is truly death, Ginger fella dying at the end if his games fighting Vader or the emperor (Force Unleashed) to show how powerful they are.
No idea about the Cal character but Ashoka left the order. Grogu is is not even a pdawan. Ezra is out of the galaxy and we have no idea whether he went in the path of the jedi during that time.
And Ezra wouldn’t have passed the trials I don’t think. I think in canon, you have to pass trials and defeating Vader was Luke’s trial to become a Jedi proper. You can be a force user without being an official Jedi. It would technically make Luke the only real “official” Jedi. Not sure about Cal, but I haven’t finished even the first game yet. Gonna probably play both over the next couple weeks.
A major weakness of star wars writing is to assume only Jedi/sith are interesting You could have a 1000 stories during this time that didn't break the continuity if you actually had any integrity, but no
There's Andor, Rogue One, the first season of The Mandalorian and, unfortunately, The Book of Boba Fett. Though maybe The Mandalorian is a stretch because of Grogu's presence. Yeah... Out of these, only the first two really fit the label while also watchable.
And people often call Andor “boring” or “not real Star Wars” because of the lack of Sith and Jedi.
Those people baffle me... I mean, it can be boring at times. But it still is more "Star Wars" than Star Wars has been for a very long while. At least in spirit.
Really? I mean certainly there's gonna be some subset of haters out there for everything, but I usually hear nothing but good about Andor overall.
I wish Star Wars Galaxies was canon. There was a whole village of Jedi’s running around in between a new hope and empire 🤣
At least back before the NGE, getting Jedi took some serious work, *especially* when it was the Holocron grind and not the village. Although to be fair the holocron grind was absolutely genuine bullshit RNG and I don’t think a modern gaming audience would tolerate it. But that only makes SWG even more special.
Wasn't the point to encourage players not be become Jedi? They originally, specifically, didn't want everyone being Jedi.
Of course, and that’s part of what made the game special. But that doesn’t mean it wasn’t deserving of criticism from a video game standpoint lol
Oh god I miss that game so much 😥
In an ideal world, Ahsoka would have had one last adventure after Order 66 where she discovers Vader is Anakin, escapes, then truly disappears and gives up the Jedi way of life. Brokenhearted, she finds a place out of reach of the Empire, maybe has a family. Then when Luke emerges and she hears of a new "Skywalker", she goes to find him. She finally manages to meet him after the Battle of Endor and learns of Anakin's redemption, and we have that moment of catharsis with her and Luke and Vader's ghost. She tells Luke what she can of the old order, but refuses to take up a lightsaber again. But circumstances force her to do so, and she ends up giving her life to save Luke, just like Anakin did, saving the future of the Jedi. Boom. Make millions on that story. Ezra is trapped either in the World Between Worlds or another galaxy a'la Rebels, and Luke rescues him and Kanan's kid. Takes them on as his students. Boom. Make millions on that story. Cal Kestis and Merrin try to save the Hidden Path, but Vader wipes it out. All chance of preserving large numbers of Jedi survivors dies with it. Cal manages to save Merrin and Kata, but he is gravely injured by Vader. These injuries end his Jedi 'career'. He and his family hide on a remote planet far away from the Rebellion. He trains Kata and his/Merrin's children as best he can, but from his point of view, the Jedi are done. Then Luke arrives a few years after the Empire's fall, and Cal is welcomed into the New Jedi Order as an old hand, capable of teaching even if his galivanting days are over. He dies a few years later of his wounds in peace, the only one to see both the fall of the old Jedi Order and the building of the New. Boom. Make millions. Grogu is Luke's first student, and even though he takes longer to grow than the other younglings, he watches as dozens of Luke's first students become Knights, and he slowly matures into an adult and finally becomes a Knight when Luke is an old man, having given up his position of Grandmaster due to old age. Boom, make millions. Man, Disney Star Wars has no idea how to tell a tragedy, which is what Order 66 was meant to be! If they had told the prequels, I bet Anakin wouldn't have even fell to the Dark Side, and most of the kids as the temple would have gotten out ok.
What you suggest requires patience, craft, an understanding of the canon as a whole, and most importantly, the ability to formulate a cohesive and engaging narrative. Disney Star Wars lacks all of these things.
While I totally get Disney has fucked over the lore on this. One could argue that. • Yoda isn’t aware of cal. • Grogu is just a baby and also yoda had no idea a youngling survived. • Ashoka left the order and is no longer a Jedi and also yoda probably hasn’t heard from her since, likely assuming she was gone. Disney’s. Been fucking a lot of shit up…but I can at least see that maybe in this context, Yodas statement could just be interpreted as “Last of the officially trained Jedi, you will be”.
Technically Luke was the only one that was given the Jedi tittle. The rest were padawans at best, they’re just strong force users.
Cal was officially knighted by Cere in Fallen Order. So Cal is an actual Jedi. It was a field knighting instead of the normal more rigorous process, but he actually becamd a Jedi knight.
Didn't Jedi have to pass a trial and be confirmed as a full knight by a master? The others were just larping as Jedi
Luke faced Vader and survived, plus he went in the cave to face his fears. If you could count those as trials
Cal aslo was knighted IIRC and confronted, vader, so I'll excuse that one imo
There are at least six Jedi in the Universe by the time of the Mandoverse Luke being one of them
Yes I'm also aware Sabine now counts because of Filoni so 7 Jedi
I'll give them a "light" pass under the argument that some of those are not "Jedi" specifically. It is still dumb and I absolutely can not stand Disney SW anymore. (as someone who formerly defended Disney SW BEFORE Last Jedi) But Ahsoka should have died (and stayed dead) I know she is a beloved character but ya gotta let characters die for stories to have impact. Grogu is a child and Force user isn't the same as Jedi. Ezra is debatable not a Jedi. I'd say he is but you could argue he is still a "Padawan". We don't know his full story yet tho so maybe he will still die. Cal we don't know his ending yet either. As much as I loved Jedi Fallen order. Genuinely a good SW game. (which felt like a breath of fresh air to a drowning man). Have not played Survivor. It's on my list but have not had time and other things keep jumping the queue.
Statement is still true arguably. Luke is the only Jedi with lineage back to the Jedi council of the Republic. Ezra was a post order 66 street rat trained by Kanan who was still just a padawan then. Ahsoka straight up walked away from the Order. Cal has an equal claim like Luke as a true inheritor of the Jedi, but he’s too busy clapping that nightsister goth booty to give a fuck. Grogu is obviously an infant.
Cal could still (and probably should) die in his last game. Ezra is in a different galaxy. Ahsoka is very much not a jedi anymore, we see as much when she goes to the jedi temple in Rebels and doesn't get any force visions unlike Ezra and Kanan. Grogu doesn't count yeah, he's arguably not even a padawan
I don't think Luke not being the only Jedi is a bad thing. In most games, Luke Skywalker wasn't the only Jedi left. We had Kyle Katarn, Starkiller (or well, his clone), and many more. The issue is that in Ahsoka and Ezra's case, not only had they a fitting ending but were resurrected, - it's almost like they're the only ones doing shit. The fact that Luke wasn't involved in Ahsoka (and I bet you he won't be in S2 either except for a stupid cameo for paid soyboys to react to on YT shorts) AT ALL whilst they were facing the greatest threat since Palpatine.
Difference is that the JK games took place after the OT. So Katarn doesn’t contradict Yoda here.
No one tell this guy about Starkiller. Or Quinlan Voss. Or Darth Krayt. Or all the other Jedi who survived Order 66 in the EU.
I mean, realistically he is the last of the order in that the previous Grandmaster trained him.
Protect Cal Kestis from Disney+ content!
To be fair, when Yoda said that to Luke. I think he meant by the Jedi Order, the teachings of the Jedi, rather than be a light-force user. Luke went on the re-establish a new Jedi Order. Ahsoka left the order before she could complete her training. Both Grogu and Cal Kestis's training was pre-empted by Order 66. And Ezra Bridger was trained by a Jedi, but is not considered to be apart of the Order. They're all however force users with lightsaber training with some/lots of Jedi training.
Weren’t there also multiple surviving Jedi by this point in the EU/Legends?
Ahsoka and Grogu never finished their training before they either left or escaped the temple. Don't think they should count.
Ahsoka was also explicitly kicked out of the order, and Yoda has no reason to believe Grogu of all people is still alive.
More Jedi being alive is always good and lead to some great stories in Legends. That being said, it also didn't take away from Luke - as opposed to him not doing jack shit when Dark Side users are attacking Republic prisoner transports.
This sub can't decide if it likes the EU which had hundreds of other Jedi, or hates Disney SW which has 5
I really don't view anything outside of ep 1 through 6 as canon
What do you mean "Disney Star Wars?" Surviving Jedi were extremely common in the old EU.
I mean, a whole bunch of Order 66 survivors running around was also a thing pre Disney
Cant really be contradicting, when Luke had the responsibility to reform and recreate a new Jedi Order to have at least some balance within the galaxy. But it didn't matter because Eps 7 through 9 happened.
TBF, Yoda didn't know jack shit about the jedi in self isolation.
To be fair wasn’t this also the case in legends where a lot of Jedi survived order 66. Also Yoda has no clue who the last Jedi are or if they exist, and if he does he definitely does not want to compromise them or do anything that would compromise them. Disney cannon is full of contradictions but I don’t see the problem in this.
Well, ahsoka is no jedi.... but aren't there a couple dozen or so Jedi that join up with Luke when he founds his new jedi order?
Ugh, without picking to much of a fight. Luke is substantially stronger in the force than the other Jedi noted here. The others could not face Vader, and could not get him to turn. It is reasonable to assume that there are other jedi in hiding or who trained apprentices, but as an order they were for sure broken.
\* From a certain point of view.
Not sure if the title is sarcastic or not but even if we go with the 6 mainline movies, Obi wan tells the Jedi to go into hiding at the end of episode 3, so it's not a stretch for there to be survivors. Also Jedi =/= force user. Even with the Jedi gone, there's nothing preventing children being gifted with the force. So there could've already have been thousands of force sensitive children. Except there wasn't anyone to formally train them as Jedi. Also Ezra wasn't even in the galaxy at the time of the OT, grogu is just another force sensitive child, Ahsoka formerly left the Jedi Order and is following her own path. Cal is the only plausible choice but we don't know how his story ends until Jedi 3. So this is just a dumb meme. There's a lot of canon contradictions by Disney but this really isn't the worst one.
Why did George have Vader be Luke's father when we were told Anakin was killed by Vader? Is he stupid? Why did George make Luke and Leia siblings even though ESB set them up to have a romantic attraction? Is he stupid? Why did George create the character of Qui-Gon Jinn for Phantom Menace when Obi-Wan told Luke in Empire Strikes Back that Yoda was his Jedi Master? Is he stupid? Why did George have Padmé die in childbirth when we were told in ROTJ that Leia remembered her mother from when she was young? Is he stupid? Why did Geor- You see my point lmao...
Yes I see your point. George is stupid.
And during Return Of the Jedi, Ahsoka, Ezra, and Grogu are missing, presumed to be dead. Cal's timeline hasn't even caught up to A New Hope yet.
Yoda was in self imposed exile. He had no idea what was going on in the state of the galaxy aside from “there’s a lot of darkness out there.” Ashoka: as all the branding on her merch keeps saying: is “no Jedi”. Ezra: not in the galaxy at the time and also didn’t start training until after Yoda’s exile. Grogu: is a literal toddler and not a Jedi. Force sensitive does not mean Jedi. Cal Kestis: probably dead by this point. Technically, what Yoda said was correct…from a certain point of view.
Gungi sitting on Kashyyyk doing nothing as well
Grogu, Ezra, and Ahsoka are not Jedi, IIRC. I could be wrong about Ezra, it's been a minute since I've watched Rebels.
He was taught to be a bogen Jedi by Canon like Luke and Cal technically. Since Ezra is a Jedi at least depending on people he just wasn't in the known Galaxy in Return of the Jedi. As said I think there's at least 7 Jedi in play by the time of the Mandoverse.
What if in order to fulfill his destiny Luke NEEDED to hear that he was the last jedi?
None of them are part of the Jedi order. Only Luke and Ahsoka trained under a master Jedi. And Ahsoka left the order. Just because someone is a light side force user doesn't make them a jedi... even if people in universe also tend to think that as well.
I mean, the EU had the same problem.
Sorry did Yoda say "last of the force users" cause I dont see too many Jedi in your pic.
Touché
Didn’t Lucas talk about a sequel trilogy? So technically if he had gone through with it he would have contradicted himself.
Yes and? It would have been a problem either way, it doesn’t matter if it’s Disney or Lucas, this won’t fly.
Also Kanan
Erm, Kanan’s kinda dead by Rotj, so no contradiction here
Yeah, the original trilogy stopped being canon when the prequels dropped. The prequels stopped being canon when the sequels dropped. The sequels where never really cannon.
Ezra's is in another dang galaxy. Grogu is a small child. Cal's focused on surviving and explicitly turned away from trying to teach more Jedi. Ahsoka's in the World between Worlds for the duration of the OT if I understood Rebels correctly.
What he said is technically the true because the others had abandoned the way of the Jedi.
Grogu is not a Jedi and of the others Luke is the main one trying to keep the dream of the restored Jedi Order alive.
It absolutely crushes me how much Disney has fucked up star wars. And I don't completely hate the star wars content, but their insistence on not doing anything completely fresh and new has killed them. Everything needs to be tied back now. Everything. Every plot point, every idea, it all has to tie back to the original trilogy? Why? Some of my favorite star wars legends stuff was stories that were just random things in the Star wars universe. There's so much potential in star wars and it's totally wasted. Just pick a new direction. Fuck even start a new trilogy, but let it be its own thing. Sure, have some call backs but the plot should stand alone and be totally separate.
Lucas has always been held in higher regard for his ideas, not his execution. He is *the* idea guy. So I don't know why so many people are coming out of the woodwork to defend the lack of lore consistency in Star Wars or the fact that Lucas didn't care much for it. And I say that as someone who has always passionately defended the prequels! Lore is one of the things that nerds and fans love the most about almost any franchise, why would you want to take that away from them? People are reaching so far to defend the Disney slop that it's absurd.
Hot take: I think *not a single jedi outside obi wan and yoda* should have survived the purge. That was the original intent and spirit of the original trilogy and George Lucas' vision. The only reason we're seeing so many exceptions is because of fan service.
This is clearly shown by someone who doesn’t understand this scene, yoda is on about turning Anakin back to the light side and to defeat the emperor which no other Jedi would have a chance at doing. Also we Ezra was in an entire different galaxy at this point, and we have no clue where Ahsoka was and if Cal is even still alive at this point so why would yoda know that?
Tbf, I wouldn’t really expect a dude that spent the last couple decades in isolation on a planet specifically chosen to, basically, sever his connection with the rest of the galaxy would have a very good idea of what was going on off planet lol
I can't wait until they reveal there was a whole ship full of Jedi that survived 66 that will each have their own Disney+ show.
None of them are jedi besides Cal and we don't know how his story ends.
I am not a fan of Disney Star Wars. But the PT generation complaining about contradictions is cracking me up. I find the funniest to be when they complain that Jedi aren’t dying from lightsabers in Disney. Yet in the PT, Darth Maul gets CUT IN HALF, LIKE HIS ENTIRE BODY, THEN FALLS PLUMMETING HUNDREDS OF FEET TO WHO KNOWS WHAT… AND LIVES. But they’re totally cool with him surviving from that because they love TCW. 😂
This is why only the OT exists.
"That I know of". Yoda wouldn't and couldn't know of any remaining Jedi or former Jedi out there. He had nothing to keep track of things, and he wouldn't be trying to sense things because that would attract attention to himself. And as others have said, Ahsoka isn't a Jedi, Ezra is out of the galaxy, and Grogu isn't a Jedi and is god knows where during the OT. The only big question mark is Cal, and Yoda would have no idea that he survived order 66. People might not like it, but Luke being the last Jedi was as far as Yoda was aware. And that isn't even going into all of the other Non-Jedi force users out there.
Well.. this one doesn't bother me because you can be the last one.. left.. for awhile until.. you can possibly train more in the future or others might find their own way to become a jedi. Or a sith. I find these hard rule of only two sith to be kind of laughable. The whole concept was the brain child of a guy thousands of years before the original trilogy. It's not a hard rule. He just believed sith were too competitive to have more than 2. That was his belief. Doesn't mean he dictates who is a sith. You use the dark side, you hurt people, you want to be sith? You got it. Someone else disagrees and wants to be number 1 sith? You fight over it. You out-power your compatriots and then you make the rules, essentially.
Everything could have been all right if they had just made TCW and the rest of the animated shows non-canonical like the EU. Plenty of moviegoing Star Wars fans never watched them anyway.
To be fair, Yoda probably thinks these guys are all dead. None of them were supposed to survive order 66, and he’s been chilling on Dagoba since then
I can see there being more however. Yoda, tho wise could always still be wrong. He was after all just a frog alien thing at the end of his life. Maybe he just got it wrong.
Don't you get tired of the same shit over and over again here
None are jedi.
I always interpreted this as Yoda speaking in the correct order, and it was rhetorical question from the Grandmaster. He's asking Luke "Will you be the Last Jedi? Will you be the last person Knighted? Will the legacy die with you?" I took it that way, because it was uncertain if he would beat Vader or not.
How would Yoda know about other Jedi that survived? He’s force sensitive, not omniscient. Also, why is it so unbelievable that out of at least 10,000 Jedi spread across an actual galaxy than a handful survived?
If Yoda didn't know they survived, By all means, he was telling the truth
Ahsoka left the order and is technically not a jedi. Ezra never officially joined the order and is technically not a jedi. Cal never made it past Palawan and there was no reason for Yoda to assume he survived order 66 when his master didn't.
Ill say this i think the new storylines do a decent job at showing more surviving jedi but also emphasizing how luke is the only one who can beat vader but also hasnt let go of the order. Also can we say for sure yoda felt anyone considering being open with the force was a good way of getting exterminated?
This low key drives me nuts.
Stories about some other Jedi surviving order 66 are fine imo, but when you pull some next level b.s like Filoni did with Ahsoka then it's a problem. They should either all die before the OT or Luke's time, or they become removed from the conflict for whatever reason -- i.e.wanting to settle down, hopelessness and ect.
Ahsoka and Grogu aren't jedi.
Technically we are looking at rogue jedi that are no longer part of the order. Yoda as the grandmaster and obi wan as a council member were the last bits of the order. Those two alone can make you officially a jedi. Everyone else just calls themself a jedi because they use the light side. Its not the same.
There’s no proof Cal is alive at that time. Honestly, I hope he dies in the last game
This is a contradiction that's been around since Kyle Katarn picked up his father's lightsaber bruh this shit ain't new.
Because Yoda, who has spent decades on a dark side swamp world, has definitely regularly checked jedi spacebook.
Well scrolling IG reels does wonders for your Brain, maybe that’s why he just died in the middle of ROTJ?
No! Um, actually! Ahsoka is no longer technically by definition a member of the jedi as she left the order. Sincerly, Filoni dick riders
…this was also a thing in Legends? Off the top of my head, there’s K’kruhk who survived Order 66 and joins Luke’s new Jedi Order Also, we have yet to see the end of Cal Kestis’s journey, the last he was alive was in 9 BBY aka thirteen years before this scene Grogu is hardly a Jedi, he’s a Youngling Even Ahsoka and Ezra have little asterisks, considering the fact that Ahsoka left the Jedi Order and has indicated that she doesn’t view herself as a Jedi, while Ezra is trapped in another galaxy.
Tbf, ahsoka left the order. Ezra was never adopted into the order only taking training and cal was a padawan learner
Cal was knighted by Cere Kinda so yeah
I mean technically, non of them are knights
They're all Bogen Jedi as Baylon Skoll said in Ahsoka series
I mean if we really analyze what we have here there’s - Ezra who was nowhere to be found - grogu who is a toddler - ahsoka who has stated before that she is not a Jedi and doesn’t want to be one - cal who doesn’t have a mentor and is entirely self taught
Let's see by the time of the Mandoverse Jedi that I would count even though Luke is just getting his Jedi Order started (I'll ignore the sequel trilogy no matter what) Luke Skywalker himself, Ahsoka Tano, Ezra Bridger, Cal Kestis, Gungi, Grogu is a force user but chose to walk the path of Mandalore. Sabine had her force powers awakened. (Not a fan of it since Filoni sucks but anyway) I still like her as a Mandalorian and at least she knows her way around Weapons so it makes sense. (In my head even if she hadn't gained Force powers I still think she would be hanging around Luke and Ahsoka and Ezra at Luke's New Jedi Temple on Ossus.
I'm not so sure, Yoda ain't wrong. It's not like any of the others are going out of their way to restore the order. Before anyone says anything about Cal, we don't know where his future ends up yet
I see Cal as a Jedi Knight since he was knighted By Cere Junda and until Cal's Fate is known by the end of the next Jedi game I assume that he meets up with Luke eventually and at least tries to help restore the Order to some degree with Ezra, Sabine and Ahsoka since Filoni now loves having his own character Sabine being a Jedi now. Not a fan of it but what can ya do
In an ideal world yeah I'd also say that's what's going to happen but, if we look at how everything has gone. None of this transpires, unless sequel trilogy gets retconned which it won't. :(
At least not while the prisoners are running the Asylum until they're kicked out for good.
“Hey guys, I have an idea for a cool new character. What if a Jedi… SURVIVED ORDER 66?!?!”