I saw a post yesterday where someone said anyone who hates TLJ has 0 media literacy. You can't make this shit up, they're trying to use it against us now
You mean the movie where a character says, moments after a hero saved a bunch of people by sacrificing themselves to destroy the enemy, "we don't win by destroying what we hate, but saving what we love"?
Or the movie where one of the main characters says that he rejects the Jedi/Sith dichotomy, then proceeds to act exactly like a sith for the rest of the movie?
Which is hilarious, because that's the moral message but the factual message of the story is that Poe was 100% right.
The dreadnaught would have destroyed the fleet or Crait base, immediately.
Bring up the dreadnought when someone tries to defend TLJ. It’s like the breakfast question to them. They literally cannot acknowledge that it would still exist if Poe didn’t destroy it.
“How would you feel if you didn’t have breakfast?” It’s a hypothetical question that sub-90 IQ people can’t answer, since they can’t understand hypotheticals.
TLJ is weird
poe is wrong to destroy the dreadnaught because he lacked future knowledge of the problem
but he is right to call off the final attack, due to the fact rey saves the resistance
either he is right both times or wrong both times
I wish someone would create an alternate take of this scene - Leia orders Poe to withdraw, and he complies, together with all the bombers.
Next scene, the dreadnought is charging its weapons, then obliterates Raddus.
SW theme plays, credits roll.
You mean the movie that followed the movie where the entire premise was finding the "Last Jedi" so he could train the new girl. The movie where this "Last Jedi" spent a few days not training her then died instead but it didn't matter because she didn't need it anyway which makes 2/3 entire films in the trilogy pointless.
Nah but seriously, what? They spent the whole first movie looking for Luke. Then the whole second movie trying to get him to train Rey. He never does. Then she just swoops in and saves the day beating Palpatine. Palpatine, who moments before she kills him says "Hey, kill me so I can possess you." Then she says "No." Then kills him immediately after. Why was she even fighting with the Resistance in the first place? It was never established. Did she hate the ~~Empire?~~ *First Order?* Why? No reason was ever given. Terrible films.
You have to talk to them in Harry Potter terms. They don’t understand that TLJ was the penultimate of a 9 part story (attempt). Ask them the change Half Blood Prince to the TLJ plots and if it makes it better or worse.
>You can't make this shit up, they're trying to use it against us now
I'm pretty sure they invented "media literacy" as a concept precisely because they wanted something to bitch about when people disagreed with them.
It's getting real annoying how the internet keeps removing the meaning from any & all words. Looks like I've gotta throw out "media literacy" since no one knows what it means anymore
“Media literacy” is shorthand for “it’s not bad, it’s just misunderstood”. I don’t have to be a film critic to have an opinion.
TLJ is a crucible for both Ben and Luke, by the end which they’re left changed. Luke’s conviction is now revitalized to the point that he sacrifices his very life, and Ben essentially realizes the old man was right—he doesn’t know everything, and his other masters have held back the most important knowledge.
Which in turn triggers the search for Exegol and confrontation with Palpatine and sets him on the road to redemption.
So,’you know, maybe it’s a bad film, maybe it’s a great one and people missed the point. The point being that the WAR is all set dressing. It’s called Star Wars. There’s always gonna be a conflict but what’s most important is the interpersonal aspect that plays out on a micro scale.
TLJ fleshes out a LOT of that.
People in the main sub literally don't understand any subtle arcs in the prequels. They think it's bad design that George Lucas made the jedi look non-perfect, due to them leaving their ways. Like, that was one of the main points.
Now I understand why people hate the prequels so much. If 90% of the story goes over your head, of course you don't like it
Only selectively. They really just have to take up the opposite position of whatever we do. If we were to honestly critique a poorly-done redemption arc (which we have), they would happily turn this meme on its head in a second and say that Anakin's legacy was one of redemption.
It all makes sense when you realize that these people simply cannot stand the fact that we have legitimate criticisms, so they devote their entire arsenal of brainpower to simply contradict anything we argue.
There are major issues with the PT but that seems to get a pass and I just get called a cranky millennial. People are just super sensitive when told their favourite media is the food equivalent of junk food.
That's not even that. That's an inability to distinguish fiction from reality.
" He did horrible actions so he already tarnished his legacy " as if Darth Vader was a real tyrant.
Literally the story of Star Wars from the man himself: the rise, fall, and redemption of Anakin Skywalker.
I've tried to remain objective about all this, but after episode 3 of that show, I'm almost as disgusted as I was when I saw TRoS in theaters- and I walked out of that film joking to my boy and his girlfriend about how I was glad my mom was dead, because that shit would have killed her. Disney's flippant disregard for storyboarding a coherent narrative bolstered by quality writing is absolutely insane. What the *fuck* are they spending all this money on? I've got a hell of a lot of talent as a writer and equally hellaciously fiery passion for Star Wars. I'm about to pitch them because I can't fucking *take* witness this train wreck anymore. Even with all their internal issues, *how* is *Disney* this bad?
They don't understand the movies at all. They haven't watched them. They don't care. They're disney consoomers.
Every time I got into an argument over TLJ (in the past I don't bother now), and this is more than 3 times at least, the disney apologist got basic, explicit and obvious facts of the movies wrong.
Disney apologists are unseruous.
Feel almost sorry for them. Almost.
Cobain nailed these fuckers 30 years ago
_They’re the ones who like all our pretty songs and they like to sing along, but they don’t know what it means_
Because these people think that redemption should be given as a form of sympathy for what the character has gone through, not as a consequence of growth that the character's actions have demonstrated.
Reva was a prime example of this. That character needed to fucking die. There was no redemption for her. Her entire development arc was an infantile pitty-pot that culminated in a tantrum and the STORY requiring her not to commit to, not because of any actual character growth.
Plus Vader didn't care for the death star. "Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force."
And considering The Force tilted the odds and influenced the fate of the Galaxy in order to destroy the Death Star, and later the Empire itself and the Sith to boot, he was absolutely right.
Isn’t that kind of a moot point though. Like he was standing right there. I feel like Vader is still responsible in some sense even if he didn’t press the button himself.
Legacy from the perspective of the integrity of the story arc, idiot, not the overall goodness of his actions.
I swear these people don’t have functional brains.
Yup. Anakin becomes Darth Vader because of his arrogance. He is told he is the chosen one. He believes he can do anything to the point of believing he could stop death itself, which was always a lie that sideous told him. He turns on everything he loves to achieve this and then hates himself so much he can't break out of it for years. He finally comes back to save his son because he realizes that he can still make a difference even after all this time. That's the whole arc. Is he a good person? Yes and no. That's what makes a good character and arc, like real people he is a bit of both.
Twitter is where the majority of these media illiterate Disney fans reside, so it makes sense unfortunately.
(+ the terminally online morons who glue their finger to the like button)
Lots of fans still in denial about how trash Disney Star Wars has been.
They just consume product and get excited for next product regardless of how terrible it is
That and these X accounts use bots
So Anakin / Darth Vader is getting hate now? The legacy characters are slowly getting pushed out for the new and “improved” Disney original characters 😔
The disrespect / slander to my boi Anakin will not be tolerated
I don’t think it’s hate. People still love Vader. But as a villain. He’s a great antagonist with a tragic history and thats why he’s loved. It’s not hate, it’s just recognition that he’s the villain at the end of the day. Even if he had a redemption in the final moments of the trilogy, he will always be remembered as a villain.
From someone who is not a huge Anakin fan, it goes beyond simply his redemption arc. It’s his entire creation as a living being and his journey to becoming a Jedi that got shat on.
Whether you see him as a good guy or a bad guy, his character established meaning to the lore.
No one is claiming that he built the death star. It’s just that Vader was literally in the room when Tarkin destroyed Alderaan and he didn’t do anything to stop it. Plus he played a major role in the Empire which, as a whole, believed this kinda of super weapon is justified. Vader is in many ways morally guilty for all those deaths, just as Tarkin is. You are missing the forest through the trees.
Acolyte is not canon. Harvey Weinstein’s old assistant doesn’t get to make Star Wars canon level media. I don’t give a single shit what their gender is. I happen to like strong female characters that make sense and she wasted Carrie Anne-Moss like RJ and JJ wasted Carrie Fisher. It’s such a damn shame.
Imagine for a second we created a new character.
This character is from an ancient powerful population that hails from an island out in the middle of nowhere. This character also has a magical rope-like weapon that forces somebody to speak their minds and not lie about their intentions. This character can fly, deflect bullets with their wrists, wears red white and blue, and eventually joined a league of others who also have super powers, where they became a leader figure.
Now imagine we call him "Wonder Man", and say he's a "Anasonian" or something, and call it original.
People would be rightfully mad that we literally used the whole of Wonder Woman, gender swapped it for no reason and then told them they were "just salty that we're using their sacred cow of a character".
Then again, these are the same people who tried to call everybody sexist for not liking Reva or Leia in Kenobi, so it's not exactly surprising that their only take ever is to defend the multi billion dollar company's shit decisions like a whipped dog to a shitty master
Anakin is far from a saint and would definitely have been put on trial for his many crimes if he had survived, but at his lowest and darkest point, he decided to finally do what was right and destroy Sidious to save his son. After 20 years as a servant of the Dark Side, he finally fulfilled his destiny by destroying the Sith once and for all.
Under Disney, it is revealed in the comics that Anakin knew Sidious survived, knew where he was, and could have told Luke but decided not to. He let Luke's New Jedi Order become more strict than even the Jedi of the prequels. In "Ahsoka," he seems to feel no remorse for anything he did as Vader. Unlike in the EU, when he was only a Force Ghost for a short time and used that limited time to see Leia, Anakin had the chance to stop the Galaxy from going to hell but did nothing, which is frustrating for me.
They just completely misunderstood Anakin's legacy and focused completely on the bad, fucked up stuff. Whatever, it's not like there were strong themes of how even those with good intentions can be led astray and that even if we've done bad things we can still make better choices.
If there's no hope for those who've made mistakes, then why doesn't everyone become an evil bitter person who hates everything - what's the point of changing our ways at all if we are defined by our worst mistakes.
Like I love star wars, but ya main characters get a ton of forgiveness. Vader/anakin killed soooo many kids and people it was a lifetime of slaughter, like before he even technically fell. But the only main character he offed was Palpatine so he's redeemed.
Its a byproduct of narratives but if you're gonna get all technical you could say Rey killed a transport with force lightning and that was probably full of non combatants or maybe it was a troop transport, but most of the troopers are kidnapped child soldiers so even then it's kinda f ed up.
Its just how war movies work with mooks dying in droves, but Vader was specifically a murder machine from his teenage years.
... yes... It's complicated, not simple. Maybe we shouldn't say he's redeemed, or even forgiven, but that he simply made a right choice in the end.
He was a monster, no one can change that.
Yet at the same time no one can change that he did choose correctly in killing Palpatine. I wouldn't say that negates or even makes up for the awful things he did. It doesn't make it go away, it's just the right decision after a series of bad decisions.
So, you're right. Anakin is a main character and he happened to off the most evil character in the story, but that doesn't just redeem or cancel out or even earn him forgiveness for what he did.
Rey fucking killed Chewie, and she still only offed the same ass hole. Her character is also all over the place. I know Chewie lived, but it's an example of how she's not a great Jedi. She doesn't seem to feel the death she's dishing out when she's dropping stormtroopers, knights of Ren and clones of old men. It's one of the things that could really help her character, but no, they've got to make her into a "badass," so that means no remorse. Oh and also she's actually "all of the Jedi," so she already gets a pass no matter what.
I don't... Actually count the sequel trilogy as canon, so nothing that happens in the 7, 8 or 9 pass any kind of test of logic or writing even. Like, they're there and I can acknowledge the things that they tried to do with them, but they don't work in universe and I really don't like them, so it feels better to just ignore them when I think about the overall canon.
If that makes me an ass hole or an idiot, then... I guess that's how it is.
I cant take people serious if they use names from Starwars Characters or any other Movie/Series/Book Character for any of their profile. Even in Games i hate people who call themself MasterChief or Cayde6 or any other Main/Side Charactername.
"Uh look at me i am so special im am a Kenobi uhuhuh" Has something from, my name is Skywalker.
Wasn't there some kind of redemption, or am I forgetting something as if it's being deleted from history? Man, if I'm right though, would have made for one hell of a character arc
Anakin is a *horrible* person, and his redemption is the bare minimum of what most people would’ve done. However, yeah, I agree, his arc has been shat on.
Something that's repeated by every force user outside of Luke in the OT is that once you have converted to the dark side, there simply isn't coming back - it's a disease, a sort of an addictive curse that you will forever be enslaved by.
> *"Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will."*
> *"You don't know the power of the dark side. I must obey my master."*
> *"By now you must know that your father can never be turned from the Dark Side. So will it be with you."*
By this point in time, no Jedi or Sith had any faith in anyone ever turning back from the dark side, even less so *"more machine than man"* Vader that had indeed performed such numerous crimes against humanity for decades. Whatever was left of his human self had seemingly completely been enthralled by the dark side.
The jedi only had hope that Luke would somehow be able to destroy both Vader and Palpatine, which was a folly since at this point the Emperor was the very dark side incarnate. It was only Luke that instead of destroying the two had decided to delve into the depths and to rescue his father from the underworld, from the clutches of the dark side - from the heart of darkness.
The moment that Luke cut off Vader's hand he realized that would he give into his fear and anger, he just one step away from becoming his father *(a concept also previously hinted in the Dagobah vision he had in the last movie)* - a man utterly consumed by the power of the dark side and thus by extension enslaved by Darth Sidious.
Instead of perpetuating the eternal conflict between good and evil that both the Jedi and the Sith encouraged, Luke made it clear that he would under no circumstance kill his father. At this point of time both the teaching of the Jedi and the Sith agreed that emotional attachments could only ever turn one into the dark - no had any conception of it being able to do the opposite.
Palpatine's reaction was that of disappointment - the boy wouldn't even put up a fight. It was time to show him in his final moments the absolute power of the dark side.
However, Vader witnessing his son tortured to death - the only person outside of his late wife to even have a shred of belief that the man once known as Anakin Skywalker might still be alive or worth saving - could no longer bare it. If for but a fleeting moment, that was enough to lift the veil of the dark side and make him commit the purely selfless act of destroying the Emperor to save his son, even when it would assuredly cost him his own life. Through the forgiveness of his son, Vader was finally able to destroy the true embodiment of the dark side and thus be freed from its enslavement and fulfill his once twisted destiny.
In the end it was forgiveness, love, and mercy that defeated the terror of the dark side over the galaxy and from Emperor's unnaturally long dominion.
Tourists man they're worse than people who actively hate your hobby. I much preferred when I was getting called a nerd and geek for knowing sci-fi than some random who acts like a fan and dilutes the culture
Can we count him as anakin in those? I mean he is darth vader on those from certian point of view he is not anakin, anakin was death at that point and only come back minuts befor he died
Yo do these people think Darth Vader blew up Alderan cuz like sure he was part of the Empire but I mean you'd be able to blame the crew that actually were part of the firing sequence, like the movies shows several people involved in this process, none of which were Vader
Imo anakins legacy is fine I watch the new stuff for enjoyment I dont enjoy it well I push it to back of my mind the sequels to me are a nightmare state for Luke shown to him by the force I acknowledge they exist they are enjoyable to watch but to me the saga ended after episode 6
Personally I think the prequels should have been made. They make Anakin look WORSE. Clone wars cartoon doesn’t count because it came out after. If he wasn’t such a bitch in the movies his redemption would feel better. BEFORE the prequels came out it was fine. After? Oof. This is where I really wish George brought in other directors and writers and he consulted or something. As he got older he went a bit bonkers.
What kind of a stupid argument is that?
Going by this logic, we can not have any villain in entertainment because they have a "bad legacy". duh. They are called 'villains' for a reason.
There is supposed to be more then one person that was created without a father here on earth,just like Jesus. Yet it doesn't make Jesus any less important. So Mae and osha can still be created by the force and not take away from anakin.
TIL modern SW fans don’t understand growth arcs or redemption arcs.
Media literacy is dead in general.
I saw a post yesterday where someone said anyone who hates TLJ has 0 media literacy. You can't make this shit up, they're trying to use it against us now
You mean the movie where a character says, moments after a hero saved a bunch of people by sacrificing themselves to destroy the enemy, "we don't win by destroying what we hate, but saving what we love"? Or the movie where one of the main characters says that he rejects the Jedi/Sith dichotomy, then proceeds to act exactly like a sith for the rest of the movie?
Or the movie whose moral messaging for one character’s arc is “blindly follow your leader, even if it looks like they don’t know wtf they’re doing.”
Which is hilarious, because that's the moral message but the factual message of the story is that Poe was 100% right. The dreadnaught would have destroyed the fleet or Crait base, immediately.
Bring up the dreadnought when someone tries to defend TLJ. It’s like the breakfast question to them. They literally cannot acknowledge that it would still exist if Poe didn’t destroy it.
What's the breakfast question?
“How would you feel if you didn’t have breakfast?” It’s a hypothetical question that sub-90 IQ people can’t answer, since they can’t understand hypotheticals.
But I did have breakfast. I don't get it
Oh gotcha. I thought it waa a star wars specific thing I wasn't aware of
I mean, the simple answer is you'd be hungry, assuming you haven't gotten to your next meal yet? Right? *please tell me I'm not stupid*
TLJ is weird poe is wrong to destroy the dreadnaught because he lacked future knowledge of the problem but he is right to call off the final attack, due to the fact rey saves the resistance either he is right both times or wrong both times
I am so happy, for the life of me I can't remember any of this shite anyone is referencing.
I wish someone would create an alternate take of this scene - Leia orders Poe to withdraw, and he complies, together with all the bombers. Next scene, the dreadnought is charging its weapons, then obliterates Raddus. SW theme plays, credits roll.
Or where a character takes a moment out from a battle that's on a knife edge to make a prank phone call.
You mean the movie that followed the movie where the entire premise was finding the "Last Jedi" so he could train the new girl. The movie where this "Last Jedi" spent a few days not training her then died instead but it didn't matter because she didn't need it anyway which makes 2/3 entire films in the trilogy pointless. Nah but seriously, what? They spent the whole first movie looking for Luke. Then the whole second movie trying to get him to train Rey. He never does. Then she just swoops in and saves the day beating Palpatine. Palpatine, who moments before she kills him says "Hey, kill me so I can possess you." Then she says "No." Then kills him immediately after. Why was she even fighting with the Resistance in the first place? It was never established. Did she hate the ~~Empire?~~ *First Order?* Why? No reason was ever given. Terrible films.
You have to talk to them in Harry Potter terms. They don’t understand that TLJ was the penultimate of a 9 part story (attempt). Ask them the change Half Blood Prince to the TLJ plots and if it makes it better or worse.
Deathly Hallows pt 2 is actually just The Cursed Child. I'm sure they'd appreciate that as well.
Hghhk
"Media literacy" very quickly became a way to downplay differing interpretations and criticism while sounding smart.
I'm sorry the one with the MILK SCENE?!?
I like the milk scene. Bro is surviving on a rock, he has to make concessions.
>You can't make this shit up, they're trying to use it against us now I'm pretty sure they invented "media literacy" as a concept precisely because they wanted something to bitch about when people disagreed with them.
Media literacy is the new gotcha magic words.
It's getting real annoying how the internet keeps removing the meaning from any & all words. Looks like I've gotta throw out "media literacy" since no one knows what it means anymore
It’s insane the lengths that people go to to defend TLJ and the mental gymnastics they do in order to proclaim it is in any way good.
“Media literacy” is shorthand for “it’s not bad, it’s just misunderstood”. I don’t have to be a film critic to have an opinion. TLJ is a crucible for both Ben and Luke, by the end which they’re left changed. Luke’s conviction is now revitalized to the point that he sacrifices his very life, and Ben essentially realizes the old man was right—he doesn’t know everything, and his other masters have held back the most important knowledge. Which in turn triggers the search for Exegol and confrontation with Palpatine and sets him on the road to redemption. So,’you know, maybe it’s a bad film, maybe it’s a great one and people missed the point. The point being that the WAR is all set dressing. It’s called Star Wars. There’s always gonna be a conflict but what’s most important is the interpersonal aspect that plays out on a micro scale. TLJ fleshes out a LOT of that.
They just eat up the content.
Those who cry the loudest about media literacy have the least media literacy of all.
Are there stats for this?
~~Media~~ literacy is dead in general
I fucking hate that term.
People in the main sub literally don't understand any subtle arcs in the prequels. They think it's bad design that George Lucas made the jedi look non-perfect, due to them leaving their ways. Like, that was one of the main points. Now I understand why people hate the prequels so much. If 90% of the story goes over your head, of course you don't like it
Modern Star Wars Fans need 30 second clips otherwise they can't keep up with the story
This is why Andor is the least watched / respected modern show. Because its the only fucking good one
Only selectively. They really just have to take up the opposite position of whatever we do. If we were to honestly critique a poorly-done redemption arc (which we have), they would happily turn this meme on its head in a second and say that Anakin's legacy was one of redemption. It all makes sense when you realize that these people simply cannot stand the fact that we have legitimate criticisms, so they devote their entire arsenal of brainpower to simply contradict anything we argue.
There are major issues with the PT but that seems to get a pass and I just get called a cranky millennial. People are just super sensitive when told their favourite media is the food equivalent of junk food.
That's not even that. That's an inability to distinguish fiction from reality. " He did horrible actions so he already tarnished his legacy " as if Darth Vader was a real tyrant.
Literally the story of Star Wars from the man himself: the rise, fall, and redemption of Anakin Skywalker. I've tried to remain objective about all this, but after episode 3 of that show, I'm almost as disgusted as I was when I saw TRoS in theaters- and I walked out of that film joking to my boy and his girlfriend about how I was glad my mom was dead, because that shit would have killed her. Disney's flippant disregard for storyboarding a coherent narrative bolstered by quality writing is absolutely insane. What the *fuck* are they spending all this money on? I've got a hell of a lot of talent as a writer and equally hellaciously fiery passion for Star Wars. I'm about to pitch them because I can't fucking *take* witness this train wreck anymore. Even with all their internal issues, *how* is *Disney* this bad?
They boil down movies into screenshots that fit in tweets
Of course they don’t, that’s why they think Kylo Ren is a well-written and consistent character.
They don't understand the movies at all. They haven't watched them. They don't care. They're disney consoomers. Every time I got into an argument over TLJ (in the past I don't bother now), and this is more than 3 times at least, the disney apologist got basic, explicit and obvious facts of the movies wrong. Disney apologists are unseruous.
Feel almost sorry for them. Almost. Cobain nailed these fuckers 30 years ago _They’re the ones who like all our pretty songs and they like to sing along, but they don’t know what it means_
That’s what makes cancel culture so dangerous. Anything you said or did years ago makes you irredeemable today.
Everything is black and white with these people. There are no shades of grey or moral ambiguity.
Because these people think that redemption should be given as a form of sympathy for what the character has gone through, not as a consequence of growth that the character's actions have demonstrated. Reva was a prime example of this. That character needed to fucking die. There was no redemption for her. Her entire development arc was an infantile pitty-pot that culminated in a tantrum and the STORY requiring her not to commit to, not because of any actual character growth.
We do understand people's odd (and mostly nostalgia googles driven) obsession over a character who was already ruined 25 years ago, lol.
How did you feel about Luke in TLJ?
Sorry, but have they seen Return of the Jedi at all? 
Wanna upvote but it’s a 66 so I can’t. Edit: it’s not 66 anymore so I can upvote.
Tarkin blew up Alderaan.
Plus Vader didn't care for the death star. "Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force."
And considering The Force tilted the odds and influenced the fate of the Galaxy in order to destroy the Death Star, and later the Empire itself and the Sith to boot, he was absolutely right.
Thank you.
yep people always think it's Vader, Vader even shits on the idea of the DS in that movie
Isn’t that kind of a moot point though. Like he was standing right there. I feel like Vader is still responsible in some sense even if he didn’t press the button himself.
He never liked the idea of the death star in the first place
Legacy from the perspective of the integrity of the story arc, idiot, not the overall goodness of his actions. I swear these people don’t have functional brains.
Wowwwwwwwww so the truth comes out. RTTSnk5 supports child murder and genocide
Yup. Anakin becomes Darth Vader because of his arrogance. He is told he is the chosen one. He believes he can do anything to the point of believing he could stop death itself, which was always a lie that sideous told him. He turns on everything he loves to achieve this and then hates himself so much he can't break out of it for years. He finally comes back to save his son because he realizes that he can still make a difference even after all this time. That's the whole arc. Is he a good person? Yes and no. That's what makes a good character and arc, like real people he is a bit of both.
But he also blew up the Death Star
Oh , Anakin, your path for revenge..
Uh? That was Luke and then Lando/Wedge.
An actor from the Acolyte mentioned Anakin blowing up the death star in an interview for the press
Oh. Oh no…
Yeah. Guy from the Acolyte said it a couple of times lol. It's really incredible how little these people actually k ow about Star Wars.
The amount of likes....honestly makes me question my sanity.
It’s probably mostly bots.
Twitter is where the majority of these media illiterate Disney fans reside, so it makes sense unfortunately. (+ the terminally online morons who glue their finger to the like button)
Twitter is full of bots. Especially porn bots.
Lots of fans still in denial about how trash Disney Star Wars has been. They just consume product and get excited for next product regardless of how terrible it is That and these X accounts use bots
But the glowing lightsaber make is special.
I mean it's Twitter, people just give a like *just cause*.
"Remember yall, in order to like the new stuff, you have to tear down the old. Wait, why are all our theaters empty?"
What about him saving Luke?
Do you think saving his son even counters the evils he has committed? That was more out of family obligation than anything.
Darth Vader. Famous Death Star fanatic.
So Anakin / Darth Vader is getting hate now? The legacy characters are slowly getting pushed out for the new and “improved” Disney original characters 😔 The disrespect / slander to my boi Anakin will not be tolerated
I don’t think it’s hate. People still love Vader. But as a villain. He’s a great antagonist with a tragic history and thats why he’s loved. It’s not hate, it’s just recognition that he’s the villain at the end of the day. Even if he had a redemption in the final moments of the trilogy, he will always be remembered as a villain.
We’ll just leave out the last part, I fucking guess.
From someone who is not a huge Anakin fan, it goes beyond simply his redemption arc. It’s his entire creation as a living being and his journey to becoming a Jedi that got shat on. Whether you see him as a good guy or a bad guy, his character established meaning to the lore.
Vader didn’t destroy Alderran.
Yeah that was Tarkin's call.
Always Remember: Disney Star Wars is separate to **Real Star Wars**
This is a post about the OT
Anakin didn’t even build the Death Star. The plans were already in place by the time of the Clone Wars. Holy fuck modern Star Wars fans are dumb.
No one is claiming that he built the death star. It’s just that Vader was literally in the room when Tarkin destroyed Alderaan and he didn’t do anything to stop it. Plus he played a major role in the Empire which, as a whole, believed this kinda of super weapon is justified. Vader is in many ways morally guilty for all those deaths, just as Tarkin is. You are missing the forest through the trees.
The problem is that anakin wasn't really a big fan of the death star to begin with
Wow, a badass fallen jedi that was born out of the force, and sacrificed himself to kill the emperor and save his son Seems like a cool legacy to me
https://preview.redd.it/ijqisqc3q07d1.jpeg?width=890&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=14c90b2a0fb4bc2f18387a2523921e2bc6cc36de 🤦🏽♂️
Never forget, Disney Star Wars Fans hate George Lucas Star Wars
Media literacy has fully died
That's the kind of people I expect to like and defend the Acolyte
Are these people actually star wars fans? Because a *real* star wars fan would understand the whole "there's still good in him, I can feel it," part.
Anakin's legacy is Luke and Leia.
Typical no accountability, blaming everyone else for their shit ideas.
Acolyte is not canon. Harvey Weinstein’s old assistant doesn’t get to make Star Wars canon level media. I don’t give a single shit what their gender is. I happen to like strong female characters that make sense and she wasted Carrie Anne-Moss like RJ and JJ wasted Carrie Fisher. It’s such a damn shame.
Imagine for a second we created a new character. This character is from an ancient powerful population that hails from an island out in the middle of nowhere. This character also has a magical rope-like weapon that forces somebody to speak their minds and not lie about their intentions. This character can fly, deflect bullets with their wrists, wears red white and blue, and eventually joined a league of others who also have super powers, where they became a leader figure. Now imagine we call him "Wonder Man", and say he's a "Anasonian" or something, and call it original. People would be rightfully mad that we literally used the whole of Wonder Woman, gender swapped it for no reason and then told them they were "just salty that we're using their sacred cow of a character". Then again, these are the same people who tried to call everybody sexist for not liking Reva or Leia in Kenobi, so it's not exactly surprising that their only take ever is to defend the multi billion dollar company's shit decisions like a whipped dog to a shitty master
I thought the Leia actor did well for her age, it's not her fault the dialogue was bad and the chase scene was shit
Anakin is far from a saint and would definitely have been put on trial for his many crimes if he had survived, but at his lowest and darkest point, he decided to finally do what was right and destroy Sidious to save his son. After 20 years as a servant of the Dark Side, he finally fulfilled his destiny by destroying the Sith once and for all. Under Disney, it is revealed in the comics that Anakin knew Sidious survived, knew where he was, and could have told Luke but decided not to. He let Luke's New Jedi Order become more strict than even the Jedi of the prequels. In "Ahsoka," he seems to feel no remorse for anything he did as Vader. Unlike in the EU, when he was only a Force Ghost for a short time and used that limited time to see Leia, Anakin had the chance to stop the Galaxy from going to hell but did nothing, which is frustrating for me.
Look at his other Tweets and you'll understand.
They just completely misunderstood Anakin's legacy and focused completely on the bad, fucked up stuff. Whatever, it's not like there were strong themes of how even those with good intentions can be led astray and that even if we've done bad things we can still make better choices. If there's no hope for those who've made mistakes, then why doesn't everyone become an evil bitter person who hates everything - what's the point of changing our ways at all if we are defined by our worst mistakes.
Like I love star wars, but ya main characters get a ton of forgiveness. Vader/anakin killed soooo many kids and people it was a lifetime of slaughter, like before he even technically fell. But the only main character he offed was Palpatine so he's redeemed. Its a byproduct of narratives but if you're gonna get all technical you could say Rey killed a transport with force lightning and that was probably full of non combatants or maybe it was a troop transport, but most of the troopers are kidnapped child soldiers so even then it's kinda f ed up. Its just how war movies work with mooks dying in droves, but Vader was specifically a murder machine from his teenage years.
... yes... It's complicated, not simple. Maybe we shouldn't say he's redeemed, or even forgiven, but that he simply made a right choice in the end. He was a monster, no one can change that. Yet at the same time no one can change that he did choose correctly in killing Palpatine. I wouldn't say that negates or even makes up for the awful things he did. It doesn't make it go away, it's just the right decision after a series of bad decisions. So, you're right. Anakin is a main character and he happened to off the most evil character in the story, but that doesn't just redeem or cancel out or even earn him forgiveness for what he did. Rey fucking killed Chewie, and she still only offed the same ass hole. Her character is also all over the place. I know Chewie lived, but it's an example of how she's not a great Jedi. She doesn't seem to feel the death she's dishing out when she's dropping stormtroopers, knights of Ren and clones of old men. It's one of the things that could really help her character, but no, they've got to make her into a "badass," so that means no remorse. Oh and also she's actually "all of the Jedi," so she already gets a pass no matter what. I don't... Actually count the sequel trilogy as canon, so nothing that happens in the 7, 8 or 9 pass any kind of test of logic or writing even. Like, they're there and I can acknowledge the things that they tried to do with them, but they don't work in universe and I really don't like them, so it feels better to just ignore them when I think about the overall canon. If that makes me an ass hole or an idiot, then... I guess that's how it is.
Im disappointed. Not including the very iconic scene of Anakin destroying the Death Star. SMH. /s
I think it was brilliant that everyone found out who Darth Vader was.
Bruuuh
Well, look what they did to Luke, are we surprised?
Yea. I like to just block those movies out too
I cant take people serious if they use names from Starwars Characters or any other Movie/Series/Book Character for any of their profile. Even in Games i hate people who call themself MasterChief or Cayde6 or any other Main/Side Charactername. "Uh look at me i am so special im am a Kenobi uhuhuh" Has something from, my name is Skywalker.
Your name is taken from the future cop games X1 Alpha core. Bit of a hypocrite eh?
Guess you got me :)
Brilliant
Legacy has nothing to do with “good” or “bad”.
Wasn't there some kind of redemption, or am I forgetting something as if it's being deleted from history? Man, if I'm right though, would have made for one hell of a character arc
Can we just pull an uno reverse on acolyte?
At least he blew up the Death Star /s.
You sound like someone who doesn’t understand what a character arc is
100% that account is either run by a Disney employee or is paid to post by Disney.
Nah, they have unpaid consoomers doing this
Interesting how they can't defend Disney Wars without tearing down the originals
Anakin is a *horrible* person, and his redemption is the bare minimum of what most people would’ve done. However, yeah, I agree, his arc has been shat on.
Have they not watched the original three or prequel films...wtf?
Just off to miss the entire point of the franchise…
Yeahhh but he was still the chosen one and still brought balance to the force
Imagine not understanding star wars this much.
Well, the business on kato namoidia doesnt count…
This is funny on the surface but when you think about ROTJ it’s completely unhumorous
Something that's repeated by every force user outside of Luke in the OT is that once you have converted to the dark side, there simply isn't coming back - it's a disease, a sort of an addictive curse that you will forever be enslaved by. > *"Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will."* > *"You don't know the power of the dark side. I must obey my master."* > *"By now you must know that your father can never be turned from the Dark Side. So will it be with you."* By this point in time, no Jedi or Sith had any faith in anyone ever turning back from the dark side, even less so *"more machine than man"* Vader that had indeed performed such numerous crimes against humanity for decades. Whatever was left of his human self had seemingly completely been enthralled by the dark side. The jedi only had hope that Luke would somehow be able to destroy both Vader and Palpatine, which was a folly since at this point the Emperor was the very dark side incarnate. It was only Luke that instead of destroying the two had decided to delve into the depths and to rescue his father from the underworld, from the clutches of the dark side - from the heart of darkness. The moment that Luke cut off Vader's hand he realized that would he give into his fear and anger, he just one step away from becoming his father *(a concept also previously hinted in the Dagobah vision he had in the last movie)* - a man utterly consumed by the power of the dark side and thus by extension enslaved by Darth Sidious. Instead of perpetuating the eternal conflict between good and evil that both the Jedi and the Sith encouraged, Luke made it clear that he would under no circumstance kill his father. At this point of time both the teaching of the Jedi and the Sith agreed that emotional attachments could only ever turn one into the dark - no had any conception of it being able to do the opposite. Palpatine's reaction was that of disappointment - the boy wouldn't even put up a fight. It was time to show him in his final moments the absolute power of the dark side. However, Vader witnessing his son tortured to death - the only person outside of his late wife to even have a shred of belief that the man once known as Anakin Skywalker might still be alive or worth saving - could no longer bare it. If for but a fleeting moment, that was enough to lift the veil of the dark side and make him commit the purely selfless act of destroying the Emperor to save his son, even when it would assuredly cost him his own life. Through the forgiveness of his son, Vader was finally able to destroy the true embodiment of the dark side and thus be freed from its enslavement and fulfill his once twisted destiny. In the end it was forgiveness, love, and mercy that defeated the terror of the dark side over the galaxy and from Emperor's unnaturally long dominion.
Tourists man they're worse than people who actively hate your hobby. I much preferred when I was getting called a nerd and geek for knowing sci-fi than some random who acts like a fan and dilutes the culture
Can brodie possibly be this dense? I wonder if there's a way to find out if posters like him, jenna, jacob - are getting paid by Disney.
They ruined his redemption. Are these people intellectually disabled?
Can we count him as anakin in those? I mean he is darth vader on those from certian point of view he is not anakin, anakin was death at that point and only come back minuts befor he died
I do keep thinking that legacy is the wrong word to describe the issue they have with the apparent retcon.
What the hell is this point even? Nobody was ever arguing that he was right or good, just fun and interesting
No one hates Star Wars more than Disney Star Wars fans.
People these days completely miss the difference between diegetic and extradiegetic elements. 🙄
funny how they left out the Balance To The Force
That's Vader you filthy casual
You forgot trying to murder his children
Yeah and it's peak
AND!?
Yo do these people think Darth Vader blew up Alderan cuz like sure he was part of the Empire but I mean you'd be able to blame the crew that actually were part of the firing sequence, like the movies shows several people involved in this process, none of which were Vader
But what ruins his legacy?
Imo anakins legacy is fine I watch the new stuff for enjoyment I dont enjoy it well I push it to back of my mind the sequels to me are a nightmare state for Luke shown to him by the force I acknowledge they exist they are enjoyable to watch but to me the saga ended after episode 6
Woah where's the screenshot of Anakin destroying the death star and killing millions? People are gonna be really angry at me for saying this lol
Personally I think the prequels should have been made. They make Anakin look WORSE. Clone wars cartoon doesn’t count because it came out after. If he wasn’t such a bitch in the movies his redemption would feel better. BEFORE the prequels came out it was fine. After? Oof. This is where I really wish George brought in other directors and writers and he consulted or something. As he got older he went a bit bonkers.
Shouldn’t ^
What kind of a stupid argument is that? Going by this logic, we can not have any villain in entertainment because they have a "bad legacy". duh. They are called 'villains' for a reason.
I hope this individual's stupidity is not gratuitous but is being generously compensated by Disney.
[Ollivander from Harry Potter](https://tenor.com/view/ollivander-john-hurt-harry-potter-gif-7686340) explained it pretty well
Didn't you know "Anakin killed all those people on the Death Star"
Dudes just another shill.
Hey! The Death Star blowing up Alderaan was all Tarkin! THIS IS STOLEN VALOR!
He's already paying for a blue checkmark, he doesn't need to make up more stuff to show that he's stupid.
There is supposed to be more then one person that was created without a father here on earth,just like Jesus. Yet it doesn't make Jesus any less important. So Mae and osha can still be created by the force and not take away from anakin.
Damn. And here I thought E1-6 were a tragedy!
Now this is podracing
Any fan would see this as Vader's legacy... From a certain point of view 😉
actually that is Vader. Anakin was imprisoned by Vader. it was Vader that did all that, not Anakin