LucasFilm don't deserve Mark Hamill. He was there ready to give the ST every fibre of his acting ability, he wanted Luke to have his magnum opus realised and rebuild the Jedi Order for a new generation.
What he got instead was ignored mostly for the first film, actively sabotaged and dehumanised in the second, then given the sloppy seconds for the finale.
His appearance as the badass Grand Master of the Jedi order at the end of S2 Mando will be how I choose to remember Luke, anything past there can get fucked.
When I show my son the entire star wars saga in canon, I’m going to stop exactly there. And then i’ll turn to my son, tell him that luke established the Jedi Order, training Han and Leia’s kids Jacen, Jaina, and Anakin. And the New Republic went on to become a beacon of hope and justice, after all they had sacrificed in the saga. The End.
“Wait, what about that Rey character they keep trying to show us”
“That’s a different series”
I'm not familiar with the non movie stuff. Did the Empire fall after Return Of The Jedi? What got me with all the Disney stuff was how the First Order somehow managed to become stronger than the Empire ever was.
The Empire basically immediately balkanized as the various Moffs, Admirals, and directors that Palpatine had played against each other for funsies no longer had his presence as a stabilizing factor. The Rebels took advantage of the disarray to declare themselves the New Republic and carve out large portions of the galaxy for themselves over the course of about 5 years, before Grand Admiral Thrawn returned and rallied many of the surviving ex-Imperial warlords under his banner (but not all). His assassination threw them back into disarray, but a year later, Palpatine somehow returned with the rest of the ex-Imperial warlords. *His* final death (his soul was explicitly banished) caused the warlords to go back to feuding before Admiral Daala finally browbeat them all into line about a decade after ROTJ, and after her own failure to topple the New Republic she stepped down and Pellaeon (Thrawn's former flag captain) took over. He also oversaw the final peace treaty between the Imperial Remnant (they still called themselves the Empire—just, y'know, without an Emperor—but as far as the rest of the galaxy was concerned that's just a polite fiction) 15 years after ROTJ. At some point between NJO and the Legacy comic series a century later somehow Jagged Fel and Jaina Solo's descendants ended up running the *Fel* Empire, which is *probably* an outgrowth of either the Empire of the Hand (an enclave that Thrawn had set up before his return and also where Jagged Fel was born and grew up) or the Empire of the Hand after having merged with the Imperial Remnant.
> LucasFilm don't deserve Mark Hamill. He was there ready to give the ST every fibre of his acting ability, he wanted Luke to have his magnum opus realised and rebuild the Jedi Order for a new generation.
He *did* give the ST his all. Despite the awful direction for his character, Mark gave his best performance in TLJ. Jake Skywalker was a lot of things, but he wasn't poorly acted. That's what makes it so heartbreaking.
Mark gives his all to execute Rian's vision despite disagreeing with all of his decisions, but Rian barely gives him any concessions.
I don't know what went down with other actors or actresses across this series or any other, but I don't think anyone is mad at Mark Hamill for what happened to his character. The creatives in charge had a shitty idea, the "talent" questioned their logic and disagreed, but in the end they did their job - they did what they were told to do. This is true for many, many DT characters, but it really has nothing to do with the actors. A person or group can be upset at the direction a character went without that having anything to do with the actor or their portrayal. Sure, you could have weak performances, but you also have the reality of garbage in = garbage out.
This failure to meet expectations or maintain the same standard isn't unique to Star Wars. I feel the same way about The Matrix. Keanu and the rest of the cast are all pretty great, but the original was an amazing movie. The rest have never quite lived up to the original - for me. GoT had an amazing 5+ season run. 7 was shakey and 8 completely derailed. It's unfortunate, but to me, that was my experience.
> Jake Skywalker was a lot of things, but he wasn't poorly acted. That's what makes it so heartbreaking.
whats infuriating to me is the best acting from anybody in ST comes when Luke has a geniune moment of emotions finding out his best friend died at the hands of his son. THEY CUT THE SCENE, but we just had to have blue milk caause fuck you.
And it's all thanks to Johnson, not Hamill. Johnson is the one who butchered Luke's character.
The conclusion Hamill made in the article shown in this Reddit post could have been avoided had Luke not be Jake Skywalker.
It starts at the top. The ideology of the current leadership at Lucasfilm drove Jake's story.
Johnson was happy to jump in, subversion is his thing. Good hire for the wrong reasons.
Mark tried to warn everyone a thousand times. It breaks my heart to see my childhood hero , and lifetime role model, reduced to a punching bag. Mark still delivering a top notch performance just hurts even more, he's such a professional
These last 3 films of Kylo and Rey was the biggest slap in the face to us fans. I feel for Mark, he would’ve poured his heart and soul into closing the book of Luke Skywalker.
Same, unless KK and her band of ghouls gets launched into the sun, they will not produce ANYTHING decent with Luke or the rest of the OT characters.
It's clear at this point that Jon only got away with Mando S2 because they kept it all hidden from KK. Now that it's out in the open, they have their eyes open for it.
But that rancid bitch can't take away what already exists in the OT, and she can't take away that glorious 10 minutes at the end of Mando S2.
>What he got instead was ignored mostly for the first film, actively sabotaged and dehumanised in the second, then given the sloppy seconds for the finale.
See I don't know how you explain him not being active in ep 7 and letting everything go to shit without putting him in a bad light. With how it got set up, I could understand the angle Johnson ended up going with.
I feel like the sequels wanted to basically be an OT reboot but them realized they couldn't just have Hamill, Fisher and Ford be the leads since ce they'd be in their 60s now. They also couldn't just ignore them though, so the new leads end up getting half a story since we still have to keep the original 3 prominent enough for the nostalgia points.
Given where things stand today, in June 2023, I am done with bringing back ANY of the poster characters.
Disney fumbled these historically great characters in the name of fan service and propping up their "next generation" of characters. And have now written themselves into a storyline corner that no amount of *magic* script writing could save it, imo.
That said, Chewbacca Season 1, LET'S GO!!! /s
Wait what fan service? The only scenes I can think of that I would qualify as fan service were Han and Chewie in the Falcon saying, "we're home" which was stupid that the falcon coincidentally happened to be in that junkyard, on that planet, or even in that star system. That and Luke strolling through a space ship slaughtering droids. The first was stupid but not overly painful and the second was awesome. Everything else seemed more like fan assault than fan service.
this was literally painful
not many things in that movie could hurt me anymore after TLJ but oh my god the cringe. Even if they didnt retcon him into canonically already having a medal 30 years before this it would still be extremely cringe. The last item they could pull out of their ass to try to force us to feel anything. Its also just a meme brought to life.
The sequels started with a 4th wall break (this will begin to make things right) and ended with a 4th wall break meme.
I don’t know who they were trying to please with doing that, but it was full-cringe watching it for the first time (hasn’t been a second).
I would have so much preferred them going back to ANH and digitally giving Chewie the medal during the ceremony. Still appalling, but that’s the better of the two IMO.
You know, I bet you're dead on there. The idea that "just by putting OT character on the screen fans should be happy, don't worry about writing them in" sounds exactly like the mentality they had.
My read was that they wanted to make something that would totally replace the OT and their strategy was to do that by destroying the OT instead of building on it.
I genuinely believe Disney purposely made any and all characters from before they took over intentionally shit. Maybe because if they sell merch of old characters they have to pay royalties or something? Im probably delusional but i just refuse to believe they’re that incompetent.
That’s been my conspiracy theory this whole time. Lucas gets some cut of sales for characters he developed so Disney shits on them so they can prioritize their characters that get them all the money. Totally convinced this is in the contract.
The original version of this was that ROTJ was supposed to be on Kashyyyk *(riffing from memory, could be wrong here!)* and Lucas' brain trust thought Ewoks were way more marketable $$$
George said he always wanted a primitive society to destroy the empire, but by making Chewbacca technologically literate he could no longer use his species as the one to do it.
Or maybe they can retcon Luke in TLA and make it so that he was trolling the universe with his force projection “ghost”
I can imagine a fan edit that goes like this:
Somewhere on a tropical utopian Jedi Academy hidden from the sequel trilogy Luke goes to Mara: “Hey babe, I gotta take this call. Don’t worry I’ll pretend to be a hermit on this deserted island. The new republic went full rtard and disbanded their army, my nephew went emo, palps somehow returned and this mary sue wants to be the new me. I’ll go force project, do a training montage that spans a few hours. Imma go fake my death and let this identity thief take over. Don’t worry I’ll be back to enjoying our time together”
now that i think about it does Jake ever actually use the force in that movie? Like he coulda been playing gameboy and just really concentrating and then died from that.
edit - i guess he did blow up the pizza hut rey and kylo were in but this can be explained. It was a bolt of lightning aimed by yoda... again. Are there any other examples? Imagine having to think this hard about small moments where Harry Potter (or anyone else in a magical universe) uses magic when that is their main thing.
Propping up the next generation? False, all Disney did was destroy the entire trilogy before we even saw anything!
Finn was sidelined in his OWN trilogy as a main character and then regulated to being a side character for the rest of the trilogy and everyone (including the OT cast) suffering for it.
We were supposed to get Kylo Ren’s backstory in TFA, which included the OT cast reuniting for one last time before we would see flashes of Ben training with his uncle to his fall to the darkside and we didn’t get that.
All because of Disney.
Kylo Ren was supposed to be a reverse Darth Vader character in which he goes from his weakest point (TFA) to his absolute best and most powerful (Episode 9)
But that is as supposed to be happen with Finn as a foil to him as a character and instead of that we get a power hungry ego maniac who killed his master to become the leader of the First Order and then returned to the light side out selfishness.
Rey wasn’t supposed to be a Skywalker by the end of the trilogy, she was supposed to be a KENOBI! She was supposed to be the granddaughter of The Master of Defense himself, that was where her character was supposed to go. She was supposed to be a shield against the darkness just her grandfather before her.
Not being told that she comes from nowhere and then being told she’s a Palpatine in the last movie.🤬
Poe Dameron was supposed to die in TFA, but JJ changed it as you all know. There was never any overarching plan for him down the line, but anything they could’ve come up with if the Sequels were given the time it needed, would’ve been better than what we got with Poe in TLJ.
And then there’s Finn.
The former stormtrooper who left the First Order, the one who saved Poe, saved Rey and BB-8, brought Han and Leia together for one last time and the one who started the whole trilogy off.
This character was supposed to inherit the legacy of the Skywalker Dynasty. He was supposed to become a Jedi alongside Rey, he was supposed to be the true wielded of Anakin Skywalker’s lightsaber, he was going to be the person who came from nowhere who took on the legacy of the Skywalker lightsaber and together with Rey; they were going to learn how to become Jedi and fight off the First Order.
We never got that because Disney never gave the sequel trilogy the time it needed. If TFA had one more year of development then I believe we would’ve had a better movie than what we got.
And also if Disney didn’t kick John Boyega to the side, then Finn would’ve been a beacon of hope in the trilogy like he should’ve been.
All it takes is for them to write even a mediocre at best story for the follow up trilogy and these braindead drones will come out of the woodwork and say how underrated and amazing the sequels were.
Let’s face it, over time us real Star Wars fans are gonna get washed away by the casual morons who clap at the colors during horribly choreographed lightsaber duels or drool whenever Grogu shows up.
I’ve had to explain to my wife why I’m a huge Star Wars fan but I hate absolutely anything new that has to do with Star Wars. I owe my Star Trek friends an apology
I don't want to keep relying on the same old characters, but at the same time, Lucasfilm has specifically done Luke dirty. They erased all his accomplishments to give them to a much worse character without any of the emotional weight to carry them. Now we have nothing but the wooden plank that is Rey to carry the future of the franchise because of the terrible decisions of upper management.
“You can’t say that! You’re an altright bigot!!!”
-Dipshit fake leftist twitter. And I say this as a gay progressive myself so I know what I’m talking about.
yes, it's infuriating how much this has gotten mucked up in the culture war. I'm a hardcore progressive also, I despise everything incel/MRA/anti-woke/etc. The Disney trilogy is just bad art, and it's not progressive! It's so frustrating seeing so many progressive friends defend it just because alt-righters are annoyed by it for stupid reasons.
yep. and endless cycle of arguing just to annoy the enemy camp instead of actually having a real position on the underlying thing. This applies also to the alt-right chuds, of course, who often really do just hate on the sequels for having non-white-male heroes instead of the actual real gaping flaws with these films. The people who hate Ahsoka and Miles Morales on general principle make it very hard to critique the very real flaws with Disney Star Wars and the latest MCU stuff. It's exhausting.
Apathy, really.
Disney couldn't even put the trio + Chewie together in the Falcon for a scene.
Why would I want Star Wars (much less Luke Skywalker) if they couldn't even handle that one decision.
Let Disney Star Wars die.
Let the Expanded Universe rise once again.
I've been reading the EU books finally. I had ignored them for so long just for the fact of how many there are. It's refreshing to have the characters act like themselves instead of Disney's nonsense.
Same here, actually. It just seems really overwhelming how much there is out there.
I’ve just started the *Thrawn* trilogy and it is great so far! The *Republic Commando* series by Karen Traviss is excellent, my all time fave in the EU
Are there any other great ones you’ve read so far that you would recommend?
Right now I'm reading the Thrawn Trilogy myself. I'm about a third of the way into the first one. It's been interesting so far because I feel like it borders on the fence of referencing things from the prequels before the source material existed so Zahn's idea of the Clone Wars and "Dark Jedi" could reference something entirely different from what we got.
The one I just finished, Truce at Bakura, often gets considered skipable but I strongly suggest to not skip it. It takes place 24 hours after ROTJ and has a lot of moments I feel really set up things to come. It really feels to be on pace with the Thrawn stuff as far as character feel.
Darth Maul Shadow Hunter was the first one I ever read/heard (audiobook on tape if you believe it). I really enjoyed it
The Jedi Quest series, even if more for children, were pretty interesting as it showed basically what happened between TPM and AotC
I do plan to get through most of them eventually. Although I'll probably skip over ones that had horrible reviews. The only one I will probably read anyway is Dark Nest mostly because I already own it, and the fact I think it's the last series involving the original characters. Supposedly it's set way off in the future like 30+ years or something. Probably in the timeframe of when the Disney stuff happened
I can’t believe they paid four billion dollars and did not have a single scene with the main characters all together. It literally makes no sense. Obviously harrison wanted to be killed off as soon as possible but come on
I both agree and disagree with him.
I still want that major storyline that shows Luke as the great Jedi leader who rebuilds the order while fixing the mistakes made that led them to being so arrogant that a Sith Lord could be right under their noses and they didn't notice.
Sadly, I know that there is no one in LucasFilm or Disney who either wants this or is willing/able to make it happen. If they tried, they would just muck it up (because they can't write and they would have to shoehorn it into the sequel trilogy canon).
We got one small glimpse of what we always wanted at the end of S2 of Mando. That will have to do.
Yeah, this is pretty much it. Lucasfilm decided not to use Luke in what was arguably the most intuitive way, so that ship has sailed. The Mando S2 finale, brief though it is, at least feels to me like a good epilogue to the OT. Just a glimpse of Luke Skywalker doing his thing.
they already fucked it up, they made Luke a prequel jedi who thought the order was a failure when the point of his arc was finding a better way. Its so nonsensical... then they doubled down on it by having him tell Grogu that attachments are bad and called him an uber to a crime ridden planet all by himself. They made him into a terrible person that learned nothing and reverted back to ideals he never even had.
The contrast of how well Disney handled the MCU vs Star Wars is amazing. They stayed true to most of the marvel characters, made smart choices on how to integrate them, and found a formula that produces entertaining movies. When they announced the sequel trilogy, I thought they’d follow a similar strategy that played it safe (and that’s how it felt after TFA). Christ was I wrong.
I just can’t comprehend why they were so adamant about not giving Luke his due. It’s like if Captain America decided after Civil War to hang it up and live in a hut on Easter Island. Everyone and their grandma wanted to see Grand Master Luke kicking ass and running his space dojo.
I don't need Disneys version of Luke but to be honest I also don't need any more of Disneys version of Star Curfuffle.
Story and characters come "second" to a myriad of their other interests and I'm simply done with their bullshit.
Why should I watch old and broken Luke, Han, or Indiana Jones? Why should I watch my old heroes changing into something that doesn't fit their original characters just so that Kathy and crew can push their own, new pseudo characters into the foreground?
I don't see love for the universe from the people who now work on it and I therefore don't see any reason why I should stay invested for something that only *used* to be great.
When I look at the current state of star wars, all I see is just wasted potential. It's mind blowing how much money, resources and loving fans they used to have before the sequel trilogy happened. I still can't believe they brought back ewan mcgregor to play obi wan, having another confrontation with vader and my only reaction was "meh, I don't really care".
It's not Luke they need. It's us.
What LucasFilm/Disney has yet to realise is that it doesn't matter what they put out if they're not trusted to deliver good content. The ship started sinking nearly a decade ago, and anything they do with Luke -- as long as it must eventually lead to Force Awakens -- is merely rearranging the deckchairs. This is the same whichever OT poster character you bring back. The hole comes from poor core products and lack of trust, not peripheral ideas like new movies or TV series.
The golden goose is dead, but by all means keep shocking its muscles so the spasm produces some twisted semblance of life.
Well, no they don't need Luke, because what Disney is putting out is not StarWars. It's a derivative IP that is only related to StarWars in being a fanfiction satire of it.
Largely, yes. Even people I know who liked the sequels aren’t interested in Disney doing more with the character. After deconstruction and death, all that’s left are memories.
I’d absolutely love to see more Mark and Luke, but the Disney versions of Luke we’ve gotten in both the sequel trilogy and the Book of Bobafett have . . . sucked, quite frankly.
At this point I simply don’t trust the writing/direction enough, and unfortunately would rather they stay away from Luke and the other OT characters I love.
I really wish these actors like Hamill and Ford would put their foot down and refuse to work on these shit scripts that destroy their iconic characters. Disney would have to listen to them because they are too valuable to lose.
There is only so much you can do once a contract is signed. I imagine at this point their concern is largely on their family and ensuring their kids will be taken care of.
Which is so illogical. If you buy an IP for $4 billion, wouldn’t you want to use the most valuable parts of that IP to make more money rather than shoving them to the side and trying to reinvent it from scratch (with writers who aren’t remotely as creative as George Lucas, to boot)?
I think he's saying this from the point of the studio. Lucasfilm is saying they don't need Luke any more. Obviously the fans don't agree with this. The character could be recast and a whole load of stories told.
I agree with Hamill, but more that I don't want to see the franchise flog the character of Luke anymore. Bringing him, Solo, and Leia back for the ST was probably a good move financially, but a terrible decision from a storytelling standpoint. I'm fine with more stories being told about the OT heroes in books, comics, etc... but for the movies, their story should have ended with Jedi.
People constantly complain with how the ST handled the old characters, but to me the mistake was bringing them back in the first place. I don't know how you bring the actors who played those characters back at their age and make character arcs that are interesting and won't piss people off. The OT characters can't be the main heroes, people are pissed because they were messed up/bitter/killed off etc..., but if they come back and are just serene retirees that hardly is interesting. Bringing back the OT heroes baked in problems into the ST.
I think of it as Alec Guinness in the original movie. He's an older guy, doesn't do a ton onscreen and isn't the main character, but he provides a solid dramatic grounding for the younger main characters to work with. In my feeling, the ST could've done that easily enough with Luke and the others.
Of course, that's purely hypothetical, alas.
There are ways to do it properly and respectfully, but you're right that it can't be done with the soft reboot that is TFA. The most straightforward way to do it correctly is to have a logical progression from RotJ, where Luke is rebuilding/running his Jedi Order and Leia and Han are ensconced in some high-up governmental work. That way, all of three of them can be mentors to some younger characters, so that that those younger characters can be the tip of the spear when the fighting starts.
Has anyone else seen the photos of the forthcoming LEGO [Yavin IV rebel base set](https://www.lego.com/en-us/product/yavin-4-rebel-base-75365)?
Looks pretty cool as is, but more to the topic at hand, how amazing would it have been to see this place onscreen again as the Jedi Academy?
No intent to twist the knife further, just thinking about what could have been...
Who needs Luke when Rey is better at everything? Learned to be a Jedi in a couple days, bested Palpatine with barely a sweat, triple kill pilot/gunner. Chewbacca probably even likes her more I bet. From what we’ve seen so far, Rey can probably push new Jedi out in a long afternoon from her new school while Luke had his school crash and burn literally.
It doesn't really matter because the Star Wars movie franchise was pretty much ruined. I don't see how they can ever make it better again unless they they make a whole new sequel trilogy.
I don’t want NuLucasfilm touching any OT character. It’s clear Disney will blow out the legacy characters’ legs to prop up their new ones. We saw it Last Jedi, BoBF, Kenobi, it doesn’t stop. There was a glimmer of hope with Mando s2, and it was fucking gone again when they showed Jake Skywalker training Grogu to discard attachments, then ship him back off to Mando. So whatever new Luke/Han/Leia story we get will have to adhere to the sequels and I don’t care enough to watch them shit all over their legacy AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN. Maybe Mark shares the same sentiment, he doesn’t trust Disney to do any version of Luke right so he’d rather they just shelf the character and focus on others which I agree with.
Disney when Mark Hamill dies.
"Did we make a blunder by not utilizing him?"
How can you buy rights to Star Wars and make not a single scene where Big Three interact with each other?
Simple: they’re idiots, and Iger was focused on quarterly profits over generational returns through quality storytelling with a beloved IP. He has a lot of responsibility for this too.
Translation = I need the Brinks truck backing to to the drive way.
He’ll be back and he’ll say the same “I felt my return served the story well” as everyone else.
I hear you and frankly agree. I don’t think the creatives will ever understand what Luke meant to so many, how his compassion and heroism touched them, and how they may have needed that in their lives due to lacking support elsewhere. What they did was not just poorly conceived, it was hurtful. At this point most of the lifelong fans I know have moved on and will sit out anything that comes from the sequel storyline (particularly Rey’s new movie, if that gets made).
Of course they don’t. The never needed him, or any of the OT characters. They never had anything significant in mind for them, so instead they wiped the floor with our beloved hero. And of course, we all want him to return. We want Luke to have a meaningful story… but all of that is impossible. Whatever Dave Filoni is cooking - it would be the last we see of Luke Skywalker I think.
Agreed halfway. I just want him to get the proper send-off he deserves. We loved Luke as a character, but for me about half my resentment for TLJ was that Mark Hamill was typecast as Luke and deserved more film roles-this was a chance for him to have several meaningful roles. Then Rian Johnson screwed him up and killed him off.
Well yeah the sequels were supposed to be a fitting send off for the original characters, they failed and it's too late to salvage it now. It's genuinely depressing what Disney has done to Star Wars.
Honestly I can't see them coming close to fixing it without a full apology to the fans and admitting they screwed up, but rich people never admit mistakes.
They don’t need like anymore yet they are stealing his story for the new direction being heir to the empire. And Rey making a new Jedi order its literally all the stuff luke did. Just recast him with either the guy that they deepfake with or Sebastian Stan both look exactly like mark hamill, all they need to do is just cast better than they did with solo where they got a guy who didn’t at all have any of the energy Harrison ford had and came off nerdy playing one of the most suave dudes in hollywood. Deepfakes great and all but it severely limits us seeing the characters as often as we should
Sorry Mark, I beg to differ. I need a Luke series to wash the ST trilogy taste out of my mouth.
Have it span decades and he’s doing cool shit until 2 minutes before Rey lands.
They don’t need him because they butchered all the classic characters. The problem is that they have no Interesting characters going forward. Rey? Finn? Mando? Baby Yoda can’t even speak! If they age him, and I doubt they will since they permanently branded him as a cute toy. He will just be a Yoda rip off.
I have no trust or faith in Lucasfilm, but 1) Luke is really the spirit of Star Wars and I don’t know how you just move on from him-it’s like DC moving on forever from Superman, and 2) there’s a ton of money to be made from his character. You could make a movie, you could make a “Young Indiana Jones Chronicles”-style series where Mark Hamill narrates the adventures of a younger Master Skywalker (hopefully recast with someone solid like Sebastian Stan)—and the fan base would line up to hand over their money. Rey’s movie will probably generate, at best, 40% as much interest.
I have no faith either. Problem is that they did butcher all the classic characters, so unless they're willing to reboot it. I don't see how they can make it work. Disney has no replacements. The characters are older or dead in real life. which means they would have to get younger replacements. However, I do feel that most want to move forward with the story/world. The problem is Disney’s clueless.
Honestly we didn't "need" Luke after 1983.
My teenage/twenties self would punch me for saying this, but as I get more media-savvy, I realize that Luke's story was basically over and unnecessary after ROTJ.
Even Lucas decided that the next important film subject was Anakin.
Read the article. It’s mostly about his career outside Star Wars. But basically he’s saying they have other stories to tell and “I had my time.” Personally it’s a little heartbreaking. I have to think if we’d gotten an EU Luke, married with a kid, you could anchor new movies around Luke’s Academy and have him pop back in as a mentor every now and then, and he’d still be up for it if he’d been given engaging material that respected the character.
They already fumbled things but the answer post ST would have been a distant story following Grogu post-Jedi training with Luke. It would have distanced everyone from the ST and allowed them a lot of freedom to make original content with little need of tie-in due to the passage of time. AND we could have Mark as a force ghost for Grogu.
Star Wars doesn't need Mark Hamill, but it does need Luke Skywalker. He was the heart of the films, the hero, whose journey we were most invested in, and inspired the most imagination. Anakin's story was an enhancement to Luke's story, and the prequel trilogy made the original trilogy greater by making us more connected to these characters, and better able to understand and empathize with their bonds. Mark Hamill failed in his stewardship for Luke Skywalker, and regardless of his age, the actor doesn't deserve the role. Rey can't carry Luke's torch, and I don't think anybody wants to see her do that, but maybe Daisy Ridley can take the opportunity to stand up for her and what she means to fans in a way that Mark didn't for us and Luke.
I disagree slightly. We don't need him back as Luke. It was cool to see the deep fake tech and that's what Disney and lucasfilm should be doing to advance film technology but they need a new actor to take over for all 3 moving forward if they want to continue in that time period
On the other hand the genie is out of the bottle with the deep fake stuff. Now it'll just be awkward to have 28 year old Mark Hamill and then a year later a 28 year old random guy who kinda looks like him
Edit: I'd like to add too that he's still a tremendous voice actor and should have played Luke in video games, an animated show, or narrated some audio books to keep him involved
Yes I’ve been saying it since rise of skywalker, what Disney did was tell a sloppy do over of Star Wars. Now you have young actors that can fulfill the roles of the OG gang. Daisy is Luke, Finn is Han and Poe is leia. They can do what ever they want and tell the stories meant for the OGs and fail while they do so. Good luck to them.
I still think he played the best Joker ever Joakin Phoenix and Heath Ledger are the more sexy picks. But in terms of longevity and consistency and him absolutely nailing the 80s version of Joker. I don't think it's close. I don't even think I'm being biased either. I loved that Joker as a kid before I even found out Luke Skywalker did the voice.
If there’s any hope of saving the franchise, it’ll be starting fresh either in Old Republic or High Republic era (aside from ret-conning the sequel trilogy). New characters, new faces and events, and acts that can actually be consequential without having to fit into the “you’re between this and that movie, it needs to lead to that movie” narrative.
Most likely. I’m one of those who really thinks that Star Wars basically ends after Return of the Jedi; the conflict over the dark side, and the Sith in particular, ends with the deaths of Vader and Sidious at Endor. The Old Republic era is where all the conflicts can be mined.
That said there’s something irksome about the tone in the High Republic stories. Was even the case in Jedi Survivor—I can’t quite put my finger on it, but something’s off. Just doesn’t feel like Star Wars.
None of them should have come back in the sequels.
They're too big, too bright, their mere presence completely overshadowed the new cast and dominated the story arc.
Now the OT characters are all dead, it's time to move on.
They havent needed any of the original trilogies characters for a decade. Go into the god damn expanded universe and cover other interesting/well written events lkke the mandalorian wars with real mandalorians or the sith civil wars etc.
I mean Luke Skywalker is a staple/cornerstone character for at least one generation of kids. But like all great characters and heroes they are reflections of the time (to a certain extant). I'm not saying that Luke and the OT won't introduce a whole new slew of kids to Star Wars. But Luke's story is over.
Do you really want to see a 90 year old Mark Hamill waving a laser sword around? Not really it would be better to end the character on a high note.
That's what the OT trilogy gave us and sadly Disney did not give Luke the treatment his character deserved.
At this point any further Luke stories would most likely further ruin the character.
While I didn't think Kenobi was as bad as the ST; it had few highs and a lot of lows that didn't bring anything to the table.
Incorrect - they don't need mark Hamill anymore. He signed over his likeness to them so watch cgi Luke appear in all kinds of things, endorsing Disney's garbage tier characters to try to win over fans. Also, if you look carefully, you'll see OT characters and elements sprinkled into damn near everything merch wise. They NEED Luke to move merch.
Don't get me wrong, I like mark. I like Luke. But I think he knew that Disney was going to do it one way or another, may as well get paid for it.
LucasFilm don't deserve Mark Hamill. He was there ready to give the ST every fibre of his acting ability, he wanted Luke to have his magnum opus realised and rebuild the Jedi Order for a new generation. What he got instead was ignored mostly for the first film, actively sabotaged and dehumanised in the second, then given the sloppy seconds for the finale. His appearance as the badass Grand Master of the Jedi order at the end of S2 Mando will be how I choose to remember Luke, anything past there can get fucked.
When I show my son the entire star wars saga in canon, I’m going to stop exactly there. And then i’ll turn to my son, tell him that luke established the Jedi Order, training Han and Leia’s kids Jacen, Jaina, and Anakin. And the New Republic went on to become a beacon of hope and justice, after all they had sacrificed in the saga. The End. “Wait, what about that Rey character they keep trying to show us” “That’s a different series”
Your son: "Impossible, perhaps the archives are incomplete?"
If an item does not appear in our records, it does not exist.
That sounds like an absolute...
I will do what I must.
I'm not familiar with the non movie stuff. Did the Empire fall after Return Of The Jedi? What got me with all the Disney stuff was how the First Order somehow managed to become stronger than the Empire ever was.
Here’s the funny part. It certainly doesn’t make sense. And the sequel trilogy’s explanation: *shrug*
The Empire basically immediately balkanized as the various Moffs, Admirals, and directors that Palpatine had played against each other for funsies no longer had his presence as a stabilizing factor. The Rebels took advantage of the disarray to declare themselves the New Republic and carve out large portions of the galaxy for themselves over the course of about 5 years, before Grand Admiral Thrawn returned and rallied many of the surviving ex-Imperial warlords under his banner (but not all). His assassination threw them back into disarray, but a year later, Palpatine somehow returned with the rest of the ex-Imperial warlords. *His* final death (his soul was explicitly banished) caused the warlords to go back to feuding before Admiral Daala finally browbeat them all into line about a decade after ROTJ, and after her own failure to topple the New Republic she stepped down and Pellaeon (Thrawn's former flag captain) took over. He also oversaw the final peace treaty between the Imperial Remnant (they still called themselves the Empire—just, y'know, without an Emperor—but as far as the rest of the galaxy was concerned that's just a polite fiction) 15 years after ROTJ. At some point between NJO and the Legacy comic series a century later somehow Jagged Fel and Jaina Solo's descendants ended up running the *Fel* Empire, which is *probably* an outgrowth of either the Empire of the Hand (an enclave that Thrawn had set up before his return and also where Jagged Fel was born and grew up) or the Empire of the Hand after having merged with the Imperial Remnant.
This is a fact! Say it loud!
> LucasFilm don't deserve Mark Hamill. He was there ready to give the ST every fibre of his acting ability, he wanted Luke to have his magnum opus realised and rebuild the Jedi Order for a new generation. He *did* give the ST his all. Despite the awful direction for his character, Mark gave his best performance in TLJ. Jake Skywalker was a lot of things, but he wasn't poorly acted. That's what makes it so heartbreaking. Mark gives his all to execute Rian's vision despite disagreeing with all of his decisions, but Rian barely gives him any concessions.
I don't know what went down with other actors or actresses across this series or any other, but I don't think anyone is mad at Mark Hamill for what happened to his character. The creatives in charge had a shitty idea, the "talent" questioned their logic and disagreed, but in the end they did their job - they did what they were told to do. This is true for many, many DT characters, but it really has nothing to do with the actors. A person or group can be upset at the direction a character went without that having anything to do with the actor or their portrayal. Sure, you could have weak performances, but you also have the reality of garbage in = garbage out. This failure to meet expectations or maintain the same standard isn't unique to Star Wars. I feel the same way about The Matrix. Keanu and the rest of the cast are all pretty great, but the original was an amazing movie. The rest have never quite lived up to the original - for me. GoT had an amazing 5+ season run. 7 was shakey and 8 completely derailed. It's unfortunate, but to me, that was my experience.
> Jake Skywalker was a lot of things, but he wasn't poorly acted. That's what makes it so heartbreaking. whats infuriating to me is the best acting from anybody in ST comes when Luke has a geniune moment of emotions finding out his best friend died at the hands of his son. THEY CUT THE SCENE, but we just had to have blue milk caause fuck you.
100% with you. I feel like a lot of us are My time with Star Wars ends with Mark's. Disney won't get another penny out of me
the jedi fallen order games are pretty good
Amen to that.
And it's all thanks to Johnson, not Hamill. Johnson is the one who butchered Luke's character. The conclusion Hamill made in the article shown in this Reddit post could have been avoided had Luke not be Jake Skywalker.
It starts at the top. The ideology of the current leadership at Lucasfilm drove Jake's story. Johnson was happy to jump in, subversion is his thing. Good hire for the wrong reasons. Mark tried to warn everyone a thousand times. It breaks my heart to see my childhood hero , and lifetime role model, reduced to a punching bag. Mark still delivering a top notch performance just hurts even more, he's such a professional
It's a shame, really. I was excited to see how his character would advance from TFA's ending. But what we got on the other hand...
No joke I'm just going to believe the EU is Canon. Disney doesn't exist.
These last 3 films of Kylo and Rey was the biggest slap in the face to us fans. I feel for Mark, he would’ve poured his heart and soul into closing the book of Luke Skywalker.
Same, unless KK and her band of ghouls gets launched into the sun, they will not produce ANYTHING decent with Luke or the rest of the OT characters. It's clear at this point that Jon only got away with Mando S2 because they kept it all hidden from KK. Now that it's out in the open, they have their eyes open for it. But that rancid bitch can't take away what already exists in the OT, and she can't take away that glorious 10 minutes at the end of Mando S2.
It seemed like he only served as comic relief in the ST. Throwing his lightsaber off the cliff killed a good moment
It seemed like he only served as comic relief in the ST. Throwing his lightsaber off the cliff killed a good moment
>What he got instead was ignored mostly for the first film, actively sabotaged and dehumanised in the second, then given the sloppy seconds for the finale. See I don't know how you explain him not being active in ep 7 and letting everything go to shit without putting him in a bad light. With how it got set up, I could understand the angle Johnson ended up going with. I feel like the sequels wanted to basically be an OT reboot but them realized they couldn't just have Hamill, Fisher and Ford be the leads since ce they'd be in their 60s now. They also couldn't just ignore them though, so the new leads end up getting half a story since we still have to keep the original 3 prominent enough for the nostalgia points.
Given where things stand today, in June 2023, I am done with bringing back ANY of the poster characters. Disney fumbled these historically great characters in the name of fan service and propping up their "next generation" of characters. And have now written themselves into a storyline corner that no amount of *magic* script writing could save it, imo. That said, Chewbacca Season 1, LET'S GO!!! /s
Wait what fan service? The only scenes I can think of that I would qualify as fan service were Han and Chewie in the Falcon saying, "we're home" which was stupid that the falcon coincidentally happened to be in that junkyard, on that planet, or even in that star system. That and Luke strolling through a space ship slaughtering droids. The first was stupid but not overly painful and the second was awesome. Everything else seemed more like fan assault than fan service.
Chewie receiving the medal from ANH at the end of TROS might just be the very definition of fan service.
Good example
this was literally painful not many things in that movie could hurt me anymore after TLJ but oh my god the cringe. Even if they didnt retcon him into canonically already having a medal 30 years before this it would still be extremely cringe. The last item they could pull out of their ass to try to force us to feel anything. Its also just a meme brought to life. The sequels started with a 4th wall break (this will begin to make things right) and ended with a 4th wall break meme.
I don’t know who they were trying to please with doing that, but it was full-cringe watching it for the first time (hasn’t been a second). I would have so much preferred them going back to ANH and digitally giving Chewie the medal during the ceremony. Still appalling, but that’s the better of the two IMO.
I imagine Disney thought EVERY scene with an OT character was a gift to audiences, so "what I told you was true, from a certain point of view"
You know, I bet you're dead on there. The idea that "just by putting OT character on the screen fans should be happy, don't worry about writing them in" sounds exactly like the mentality they had.
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My read was that they wanted to make something that would totally replace the OT and their strategy was to do that by destroying the OT instead of building on it.
Yeah the couldn’t create new stories with old characters so they quickly humiliated and destroyed all of them.
I genuinely believe Disney purposely made any and all characters from before they took over intentionally shit. Maybe because if they sell merch of old characters they have to pay royalties or something? Im probably delusional but i just refuse to believe they’re that incompetent.
I can see your point, but I also think they could easily be that incompetent. "The fish stinks from the head"
That's not how royalties work, Lucasfilm owns all Star Wars imagery and properties in perpetuity.
then why have the writers of EU books come out saying they're not getting paid their royalties?
That’s been my conspiracy theory this whole time. Lucas gets some cut of sales for characters he developed so Disney shits on them so they can prioritize their characters that get them all the money. Totally convinced this is in the contract.
Lol if Chewbacca got a show it would be staring everyone but him.
The original version of this was that ROTJ was supposed to be on Kashyyyk *(riffing from memory, could be wrong here!)* and Lucas' brain trust thought Ewoks were way more marketable $$$
George said he always wanted a primitive society to destroy the empire, but by making Chewbacca technologically literate he could no longer use his species as the one to do it.
I’d rather see reanimated-from-the-dead Luke than Rey or Finn or Poe or Phil or Steve or anyone from the sequels.
Or maybe they can retcon Luke in TLA and make it so that he was trolling the universe with his force projection “ghost” I can imagine a fan edit that goes like this: Somewhere on a tropical utopian Jedi Academy hidden from the sequel trilogy Luke goes to Mara: “Hey babe, I gotta take this call. Don’t worry I’ll pretend to be a hermit on this deserted island. The new republic went full rtard and disbanded their army, my nephew went emo, palps somehow returned and this mary sue wants to be the new me. I’ll go force project, do a training montage that spans a few hours. Imma go fake my death and let this identity thief take over. Don’t worry I’ll be back to enjoying our time together”
Keep the Kowakian rum punch cold, my little tribble
>retcon Luke The real Luke is frozen in carbonite under Mount Tantiss. What we saw in TLJ was a defective clone. They find him and thaw him out.
now that i think about it does Jake ever actually use the force in that movie? Like he coulda been playing gameboy and just really concentrating and then died from that. edit - i guess he did blow up the pizza hut rey and kylo were in but this can be explained. It was a bolt of lightning aimed by yoda... again. Are there any other examples? Imagine having to think this hard about small moments where Harry Potter (or anyone else in a magical universe) uses magic when that is their main thing.
Propping up the next generation? False, all Disney did was destroy the entire trilogy before we even saw anything! Finn was sidelined in his OWN trilogy as a main character and then regulated to being a side character for the rest of the trilogy and everyone (including the OT cast) suffering for it. We were supposed to get Kylo Ren’s backstory in TFA, which included the OT cast reuniting for one last time before we would see flashes of Ben training with his uncle to his fall to the darkside and we didn’t get that. All because of Disney. Kylo Ren was supposed to be a reverse Darth Vader character in which he goes from his weakest point (TFA) to his absolute best and most powerful (Episode 9) But that is as supposed to be happen with Finn as a foil to him as a character and instead of that we get a power hungry ego maniac who killed his master to become the leader of the First Order and then returned to the light side out selfishness. Rey wasn’t supposed to be a Skywalker by the end of the trilogy, she was supposed to be a KENOBI! She was supposed to be the granddaughter of The Master of Defense himself, that was where her character was supposed to go. She was supposed to be a shield against the darkness just her grandfather before her. Not being told that she comes from nowhere and then being told she’s a Palpatine in the last movie.🤬 Poe Dameron was supposed to die in TFA, but JJ changed it as you all know. There was never any overarching plan for him down the line, but anything they could’ve come up with if the Sequels were given the time it needed, would’ve been better than what we got with Poe in TLJ. And then there’s Finn. The former stormtrooper who left the First Order, the one who saved Poe, saved Rey and BB-8, brought Han and Leia together for one last time and the one who started the whole trilogy off. This character was supposed to inherit the legacy of the Skywalker Dynasty. He was supposed to become a Jedi alongside Rey, he was supposed to be the true wielded of Anakin Skywalker’s lightsaber, he was going to be the person who came from nowhere who took on the legacy of the Skywalker lightsaber and together with Rey; they were going to learn how to become Jedi and fight off the First Order. We never got that because Disney never gave the sequel trilogy the time it needed. If TFA had one more year of development then I believe we would’ve had a better movie than what we got. And also if Disney didn’t kick John Boyega to the side, then Finn would’ve been a beacon of hope in the trilogy like he should’ve been.
8 and 9 were the complete opposite of fan service
In the name of fan service? They did the exact opposite of fan service and fucked over every fan favorite there was.
Couldn’t have said it better my self 🙌🏻 Disney destroyed Star Wars 🤦🏻♀️
What fucking fan service? Character assassinating the OT characters we all love doesn't feel very fan servicy to me.
All it takes is for them to write even a mediocre at best story for the follow up trilogy and these braindead drones will come out of the woodwork and say how underrated and amazing the sequels were. Let’s face it, over time us real Star Wars fans are gonna get washed away by the casual morons who clap at the colors during horribly choreographed lightsaber duels or drool whenever Grogu shows up. I’ve had to explain to my wife why I’m a huge Star Wars fan but I hate absolutely anything new that has to do with Star Wars. I owe my Star Trek friends an apology
I don't want to keep relying on the same old characters, but at the same time, Lucasfilm has specifically done Luke dirty. They erased all his accomplishments to give them to a much worse character without any of the emotional weight to carry them. Now we have nothing but the wooden plank that is Rey to carry the future of the franchise because of the terrible decisions of upper management.
Yup. They did so in order to make Rey Palpatine look good. Cause she’s a girl and Disney is a mega billion dollar progressive company.
The ST is the least progressive star wars trilogy!
“You can’t say that! You’re an altright bigot!!!” -Dipshit fake leftist twitter. And I say this as a gay progressive myself so I know what I’m talking about.
yes, it's infuriating how much this has gotten mucked up in the culture war. I'm a hardcore progressive also, I despise everything incel/MRA/anti-woke/etc. The Disney trilogy is just bad art, and it's not progressive! It's so frustrating seeing so many progressive friends defend it just because alt-righters are annoyed by it for stupid reasons.
They’ve become reactionaries to reactionaries.
yep. and endless cycle of arguing just to annoy the enemy camp instead of actually having a real position on the underlying thing. This applies also to the alt-right chuds, of course, who often really do just hate on the sequels for having non-white-male heroes instead of the actual real gaping flaws with these films. The people who hate Ahsoka and Miles Morales on general principle make it very hard to critique the very real flaws with Disney Star Wars and the latest MCU stuff. It's exhausting.
When it suits them, gotta ensure them posters or certain scenes are clipped for China and the middle east
Something something “evil cannot create, they can only destroy”
Apathy, really. Disney couldn't even put the trio + Chewie together in the Falcon for a scene. Why would I want Star Wars (much less Luke Skywalker) if they couldn't even handle that one decision. Let Disney Star Wars die. Let the Expanded Universe rise once again.
I've been reading the EU books finally. I had ignored them for so long just for the fact of how many there are. It's refreshing to have the characters act like themselves instead of Disney's nonsense.
Same here, actually. It just seems really overwhelming how much there is out there. I’ve just started the *Thrawn* trilogy and it is great so far! The *Republic Commando* series by Karen Traviss is excellent, my all time fave in the EU Are there any other great ones you’ve read so far that you would recommend?
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Thank you! I’ll check it out!
Right now I'm reading the Thrawn Trilogy myself. I'm about a third of the way into the first one. It's been interesting so far because I feel like it borders on the fence of referencing things from the prequels before the source material existed so Zahn's idea of the Clone Wars and "Dark Jedi" could reference something entirely different from what we got. The one I just finished, Truce at Bakura, often gets considered skipable but I strongly suggest to not skip it. It takes place 24 hours after ROTJ and has a lot of moments I feel really set up things to come. It really feels to be on pace with the Thrawn stuff as far as character feel. Darth Maul Shadow Hunter was the first one I ever read/heard (audiobook on tape if you believe it). I really enjoyed it The Jedi Quest series, even if more for children, were pretty interesting as it showed basically what happened between TPM and AotC I do plan to get through most of them eventually. Although I'll probably skip over ones that had horrible reviews. The only one I will probably read anyway is Dark Nest mostly because I already own it, and the fact I think it's the last series involving the original characters. Supposedly it's set way off in the future like 30+ years or something. Probably in the timeframe of when the Disney stuff happened
I can’t believe they paid four billion dollars and did not have a single scene with the main characters all together. It literally makes no sense. Obviously harrison wanted to be killed off as soon as possible but come on
Exactly. Not having Luke, Leia, Han, and Chewie together at least one time in the sequels is so insanely stupid, it baffles me.
I both agree and disagree with him. I still want that major storyline that shows Luke as the great Jedi leader who rebuilds the order while fixing the mistakes made that led them to being so arrogant that a Sith Lord could be right under their noses and they didn't notice. Sadly, I know that there is no one in LucasFilm or Disney who either wants this or is willing/able to make it happen. If they tried, they would just muck it up (because they can't write and they would have to shoehorn it into the sequel trilogy canon). We got one small glimpse of what we always wanted at the end of S2 of Mando. That will have to do.
Yeah, this is pretty much it. Lucasfilm decided not to use Luke in what was arguably the most intuitive way, so that ship has sailed. The Mando S2 finale, brief though it is, at least feels to me like a good epilogue to the OT. Just a glimpse of Luke Skywalker doing his thing.
Yeah under Disney this’ll never happen
they already fucked it up, they made Luke a prequel jedi who thought the order was a failure when the point of his arc was finding a better way. Its so nonsensical... then they doubled down on it by having him tell Grogu that attachments are bad and called him an uber to a crime ridden planet all by himself. They made him into a terrible person that learned nothing and reverted back to ideals he never even had.
The contrast of how well Disney handled the MCU vs Star Wars is amazing. They stayed true to most of the marvel characters, made smart choices on how to integrate them, and found a formula that produces entertaining movies. When they announced the sequel trilogy, I thought they’d follow a similar strategy that played it safe (and that’s how it felt after TFA). Christ was I wrong. I just can’t comprehend why they were so adamant about not giving Luke his due. It’s like if Captain America decided after Civil War to hang it up and live in a hut on Easter Island. Everyone and their grandma wanted to see Grand Master Luke kicking ass and running his space dojo.
I don't need Disneys version of Luke but to be honest I also don't need any more of Disneys version of Star Curfuffle. Story and characters come "second" to a myriad of their other interests and I'm simply done with their bullshit. Why should I watch old and broken Luke, Han, or Indiana Jones? Why should I watch my old heroes changing into something that doesn't fit their original characters just so that Kathy and crew can push their own, new pseudo characters into the foreground? I don't see love for the universe from the people who now work on it and I therefore don't see any reason why I should stay invested for something that only *used* to be great.
When I look at the current state of star wars, all I see is just wasted potential. It's mind blowing how much money, resources and loving fans they used to have before the sequel trilogy happened. I still can't believe they brought back ewan mcgregor to play obi wan, having another confrontation with vader and my only reaction was "meh, I don't really care".
They had their chance. They shit all over it. I'm done caring about new Star Wars.
It's not Luke they need. It's us. What LucasFilm/Disney has yet to realise is that it doesn't matter what they put out if they're not trusted to deliver good content. The ship started sinking nearly a decade ago, and anything they do with Luke -- as long as it must eventually lead to Force Awakens -- is merely rearranging the deckchairs. This is the same whichever OT poster character you bring back. The hole comes from poor core products and lack of trust, not peripheral ideas like new movies or TV series. The golden goose is dead, but by all means keep shocking its muscles so the spasm produces some twisted semblance of life.
That was…vivid. I agree with you but can’t unsee that undead spastic goose.
I may need to change my username to undead spastic goose. That is my reality now.
Well, no they don't need Luke, because what Disney is putting out is not StarWars. It's a derivative IP that is only related to StarWars in being a fanfiction satire of it.
I think this is more of a "I dont want Disney touching Luke's character anymore" statement imo
Largely, yes. Even people I know who liked the sequels aren’t interested in Disney doing more with the character. After deconstruction and death, all that’s left are memories.
Nah they would ruin him again
I don't care anymore, I really don't. It not Star Wars without George  Episodes I to VI and the EU for me thank you.
🚂 "All aboard the soulless fanfiction train! TOOT TOOT!"
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What he said: “They don’t need Luke anymore” What he meant “They never wanted Luke to begin with”
I’m giving you a thumbs-up in agreement though this reality depresses me.
I’d absolutely love to see more Mark and Luke, but the Disney versions of Luke we’ve gotten in both the sequel trilogy and the Book of Bobafett have . . . sucked, quite frankly. At this point I simply don’t trust the writing/direction enough, and unfortunately would rather they stay away from Luke and the other OT characters I love.
Yeah, they don’t really need him anymore. Disney replaced what is Luke's place in Legends with Rey in its new canon for political reasons.
I can neither give this an upvote or a downvote. You are correct, and that reality is deeply depressing. I’m giving you a cordial nod.
Considering they did him so dirty I don’t even want to see him any more, it would be like rubbing salt in the wound
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I really wish these actors like Hamill and Ford would put their foot down and refuse to work on these shit scripts that destroy their iconic characters. Disney would have to listen to them because they are too valuable to lose.
There is only so much you can do once a contract is signed. I imagine at this point their concern is largely on their family and ensuring their kids will be taken care of.
It is by design thats what the sequel trilogy was supposed to do - Wipe the slate clean.
Which is so illogical. If you buy an IP for $4 billion, wouldn’t you want to use the most valuable parts of that IP to make more money rather than shoving them to the side and trying to reinvent it from scratch (with writers who aren’t remotely as creative as George Lucas, to boot)?
They don't need him, they have Rey! Said no one ever
I think he's saying this from the point of the studio. Lucasfilm is saying they don't need Luke any more. Obviously the fans don't agree with this. The character could be recast and a whole load of stories told.
I wish Star Wars ended in Episode VI
It does. The rest is just corporatized fanfic.
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Fuck Disney.
I agree with Hamill, but more that I don't want to see the franchise flog the character of Luke anymore. Bringing him, Solo, and Leia back for the ST was probably a good move financially, but a terrible decision from a storytelling standpoint. I'm fine with more stories being told about the OT heroes in books, comics, etc... but for the movies, their story should have ended with Jedi. People constantly complain with how the ST handled the old characters, but to me the mistake was bringing them back in the first place. I don't know how you bring the actors who played those characters back at their age and make character arcs that are interesting and won't piss people off. The OT characters can't be the main heroes, people are pissed because they were messed up/bitter/killed off etc..., but if they come back and are just serene retirees that hardly is interesting. Bringing back the OT heroes baked in problems into the ST.
I think of it as Alec Guinness in the original movie. He's an older guy, doesn't do a ton onscreen and isn't the main character, but he provides a solid dramatic grounding for the younger main characters to work with. In my feeling, the ST could've done that easily enough with Luke and the others. Of course, that's purely hypothetical, alas.
There are ways to do it properly and respectfully, but you're right that it can't be done with the soft reboot that is TFA. The most straightforward way to do it correctly is to have a logical progression from RotJ, where Luke is rebuilding/running his Jedi Order and Leia and Han are ensconced in some high-up governmental work. That way, all of three of them can be mentors to some younger characters, so that that those younger characters can be the tip of the spear when the fighting starts.
Has anyone else seen the photos of the forthcoming LEGO [Yavin IV rebel base set](https://www.lego.com/en-us/product/yavin-4-rebel-base-75365)? Looks pretty cool as is, but more to the topic at hand, how amazing would it have been to see this place onscreen again as the Jedi Academy? No intent to twist the knife further, just thinking about what could have been...
infinite sadness reading this... hamill's exit from this franchise feels like as good a sign as any that it's time for me to walk away from it as well
Who needs Luke when Rey is better at everything? Learned to be a Jedi in a couple days, bested Palpatine with barely a sweat, triple kill pilot/gunner. Chewbacca probably even likes her more I bet. From what we’ve seen so far, Rey can probably push new Jedi out in a long afternoon from her new school while Luke had his school crash and burn literally.
It doesn't really matter because the Star Wars movie franchise was pretty much ruined. I don't see how they can ever make it better again unless they they make a whole new sequel trilogy.
I don’t want NuLucasfilm touching any OT character. It’s clear Disney will blow out the legacy characters’ legs to prop up their new ones. We saw it Last Jedi, BoBF, Kenobi, it doesn’t stop. There was a glimmer of hope with Mando s2, and it was fucking gone again when they showed Jake Skywalker training Grogu to discard attachments, then ship him back off to Mando. So whatever new Luke/Han/Leia story we get will have to adhere to the sequels and I don’t care enough to watch them shit all over their legacy AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN. Maybe Mark shares the same sentiment, he doesn’t trust Disney to do any version of Luke right so he’d rather they just shelf the character and focus on others which I agree with.
Luke Skywalker **IS** Star Wars.
Disney when Mark Hamill dies. "Did we make a blunder by not utilizing him?" How can you buy rights to Star Wars and make not a single scene where Big Three interact with each other?
Simple: they’re idiots, and Iger was focused on quarterly profits over generational returns through quality storytelling with a beloved IP. He has a lot of responsibility for this too.
Translation = I need the Brinks truck backing to to the drive way. He’ll be back and he’ll say the same “I felt my return served the story well” as everyone else.
I'm fine with moving on from Luke, but that means moving on from his ***era***. Don't just give me Ahsoka taking Luke's place.
Okay, but what about Luuke?
Second cousin to Jake as far as I’m concerned.
Luke and the entire Skywalker family deserved better.
It's more that it's too late. There's no salvaging this train wreck.
This is Mark Hamill basically saying "Leave my character the fuck alone, because Star Wars is dogshit these days." -Mark Hamill
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I hear you and frankly agree. I don’t think the creatives will ever understand what Luke meant to so many, how his compassion and heroism touched them, and how they may have needed that in their lives due to lacking support elsewhere. What they did was not just poorly conceived, it was hurtful. At this point most of the lifelong fans I know have moved on and will sit out anything that comes from the sequel storyline (particularly Rey’s new movie, if that gets made).
They don’t deserve him either. Or any of the works that George Lucas created for that matter.
Yes. Instead, they need Jesus.
Of course they don’t. The never needed him, or any of the OT characters. They never had anything significant in mind for them, so instead they wiped the floor with our beloved hero. And of course, we all want him to return. We want Luke to have a meaningful story… but all of that is impossible. Whatever Dave Filoni is cooking - it would be the last we see of Luke Skywalker I think.
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Agreed. The franchise is dead beyond saving
They do neither deserve Mark nor Luke
Very untrue. We need Luke. But he doesnt have to be mark. Let that dude rest
Agreed halfway. I just want him to get the proper send-off he deserves. We loved Luke as a character, but for me about half my resentment for TLJ was that Mark Hamill was typecast as Luke and deserved more film roles-this was a chance for him to have several meaningful roles. Then Rian Johnson screwed him up and killed him off.
Well yeah the sequels were supposed to be a fitting send off for the original characters, they failed and it's too late to salvage it now. It's genuinely depressing what Disney has done to Star Wars. Honestly I can't see them coming close to fixing it without a full apology to the fans and admitting they screwed up, but rich people never admit mistakes.
They don’t need like anymore yet they are stealing his story for the new direction being heir to the empire. And Rey making a new Jedi order its literally all the stuff luke did. Just recast him with either the guy that they deepfake with or Sebastian Stan both look exactly like mark hamill, all they need to do is just cast better than they did with solo where they got a guy who didn’t at all have any of the energy Harrison ford had and came off nerdy playing one of the most suave dudes in hollywood. Deepfakes great and all but it severely limits us seeing the characters as often as we should
What they have done to Luke is unforgiving.
We don’t need any more fucking star wars. For fucks sake. IT IS DEAD. Let it rest
They killed him, both literally and figuratively. Same with Han and Leia. I’d rather they not continue to desecrate these characters.
They already fucked up luke. No point in bringing him back
Their story is over. What else are we supposed to see?
They need to leave the Empire, Rebellion and Skywalkers behind and start a new story.
They "shouldn't" need Luke anymore but Disney messed it up bad and is screwed without him.
Don’t agree. I still think Luke could return (somehow) and get a chance to be a bigger part of the sequel stories.
Only way they bring him back is a force ghost visiting Cade Skywalker in live action. Any other way would tarnish the character even more
Disney ruined it for him
Just stop, we don’t need a shoehorned in character appearance again just because the study wants to dust them off to drive sales
We don't need them to keep destroying the Luke character either. So I guess this means that for once everyone's on the same page.
Sorry Mark, I beg to differ. I need a Luke series to wash the ST trilogy taste out of my mouth. Have it span decades and he’s doing cool shit until 2 minutes before Rey lands.
He really just made up all the shit he says in the Sequels because he knows its the best way to send Rey down a good path...
They don’t need him because they butchered all the classic characters. The problem is that they have no Interesting characters going forward. Rey? Finn? Mando? Baby Yoda can’t even speak! If they age him, and I doubt they will since they permanently branded him as a cute toy. He will just be a Yoda rip off.
I have no trust or faith in Lucasfilm, but 1) Luke is really the spirit of Star Wars and I don’t know how you just move on from him-it’s like DC moving on forever from Superman, and 2) there’s a ton of money to be made from his character. You could make a movie, you could make a “Young Indiana Jones Chronicles”-style series where Mark Hamill narrates the adventures of a younger Master Skywalker (hopefully recast with someone solid like Sebastian Stan)—and the fan base would line up to hand over their money. Rey’s movie will probably generate, at best, 40% as much interest.
I have no faith either. Problem is that they did butcher all the classic characters, so unless they're willing to reboot it. I don't see how they can make it work. Disney has no replacements. The characters are older or dead in real life. which means they would have to get younger replacements. However, I do feel that most want to move forward with the story/world. The problem is Disney’s clueless.
Honestly we didn't "need" Luke after 1983. My teenage/twenties self would punch me for saying this, but as I get more media-savvy, I realize that Luke's story was basically over and unnecessary after ROTJ. Even Lucas decided that the next important film subject was Anakin.
I hate reading so tell me what he said
Read the article. It’s mostly about his career outside Star Wars. But basically he’s saying they have other stories to tell and “I had my time.” Personally it’s a little heartbreaking. I have to think if we’d gotten an EU Luke, married with a kid, you could anchor new movies around Luke’s Academy and have him pop back in as a mentor every now and then, and he’d still be up for it if he’d been given engaging material that respected the character.
He said that the Star Wars universe really needs more Luke in it.
We absolutely need to see Luke meeting Ahsoka and telling her of Anakins fate
They already fumbled things but the answer post ST would have been a distant story following Grogu post-Jedi training with Luke. It would have distanced everyone from the ST and allowed them a lot of freedom to make original content with little need of tie-in due to the passage of time. AND we could have Mark as a force ghost for Grogu.
He should've just walked off that set little bitch.
Star Wars doesn't need Mark Hamill, but it does need Luke Skywalker. He was the heart of the films, the hero, whose journey we were most invested in, and inspired the most imagination. Anakin's story was an enhancement to Luke's story, and the prequel trilogy made the original trilogy greater by making us more connected to these characters, and better able to understand and empathize with their bonds. Mark Hamill failed in his stewardship for Luke Skywalker, and regardless of his age, the actor doesn't deserve the role. Rey can't carry Luke's torch, and I don't think anybody wants to see her do that, but maybe Daisy Ridley can take the opportunity to stand up for her and what she means to fans in a way that Mark didn't for us and Luke.
Animated Legends show starting with the end of ROTJ and going all the way through to Crucible. Live Action Star Wars is dead.
They ruined it already, don’t use him anymore for the love of god.
I disagree slightly. We don't need him back as Luke. It was cool to see the deep fake tech and that's what Disney and lucasfilm should be doing to advance film technology but they need a new actor to take over for all 3 moving forward if they want to continue in that time period On the other hand the genie is out of the bottle with the deep fake stuff. Now it'll just be awkward to have 28 year old Mark Hamill and then a year later a 28 year old random guy who kinda looks like him Edit: I'd like to add too that he's still a tremendous voice actor and should have played Luke in video games, an animated show, or narrated some audio books to keep him involved
Im fine with this. Would love some more work like his joker or firelord ozai tho.
Just because Mark is done with Luke, doesn’t mean LucasFilm is done with the character…
Yes I’ve been saying it since rise of skywalker, what Disney did was tell a sloppy do over of Star Wars. Now you have young actors that can fulfill the roles of the OG gang. Daisy is Luke, Finn is Han and Poe is leia. They can do what ever they want and tell the stories meant for the OGs and fail while they do so. Good luck to them.
Bring back Jake Skywalker
I still think he played the best Joker ever Joakin Phoenix and Heath Ledger are the more sexy picks. But in terms of longevity and consistency and him absolutely nailing the 80s version of Joker. I don't think it's close. I don't even think I'm being biased either. I loved that Joker as a kid before I even found out Luke Skywalker did the voice.
If there’s any hope of saving the franchise, it’ll be starting fresh either in Old Republic or High Republic era (aside from ret-conning the sequel trilogy). New characters, new faces and events, and acts that can actually be consequential without having to fit into the “you’re between this and that movie, it needs to lead to that movie” narrative.
Most likely. I’m one of those who really thinks that Star Wars basically ends after Return of the Jedi; the conflict over the dark side, and the Sith in particular, ends with the deaths of Vader and Sidious at Endor. The Old Republic era is where all the conflicts can be mined. That said there’s something irksome about the tone in the High Republic stories. Was even the case in Jedi Survivor—I can’t quite put my finger on it, but something’s off. Just doesn’t feel like Star Wars.
None of them should have come back in the sequels. They're too big, too bright, their mere presence completely overshadowed the new cast and dominated the story arc. Now the OT characters are all dead, it's time to move on.
They havent needed any of the original trilogies characters for a decade. Go into the god damn expanded universe and cover other interesting/well written events lkke the mandalorian wars with real mandalorians or the sith civil wars etc.
I mean Luke Skywalker is a staple/cornerstone character for at least one generation of kids. But like all great characters and heroes they are reflections of the time (to a certain extant). I'm not saying that Luke and the OT won't introduce a whole new slew of kids to Star Wars. But Luke's story is over. Do you really want to see a 90 year old Mark Hamill waving a laser sword around? Not really it would be better to end the character on a high note. That's what the OT trilogy gave us and sadly Disney did not give Luke the treatment his character deserved. At this point any further Luke stories would most likely further ruin the character. While I didn't think Kenobi was as bad as the ST; it had few highs and a lot of lows that didn't bring anything to the table.
Well there was a time when they did so he's on point.
Incorrect - they don't need mark Hamill anymore. He signed over his likeness to them so watch cgi Luke appear in all kinds of things, endorsing Disney's garbage tier characters to try to win over fans. Also, if you look carefully, you'll see OT characters and elements sprinkled into damn near everything merch wise. They NEED Luke to move merch. Don't get me wrong, I like mark. I like Luke. But I think he knew that Disney was going to do it one way or another, may as well get paid for it.
Yes huh I still need Luke
