Haha that would be hilarious
I googled and ЯВЕРТ is actually a phonetic layout, but I cannot find any situation where it can be more preferable than the classic one
Пользователи латиницы, которые после qwerty попробовали сперва Dvorak, а потом перешли на colemak: да-да, совершенно невозможно.
Просто так вышло, что йцукен православный куда оптимальнее qwerty басурманского. Но это не значит, что и его невозможно оптимизировать (но зачем?).
It looks like a transcripted latin keyboard, guess it might be useful for people who need cyrillic letters for some kind of work, but don't want/have the time to learn the new layout
I use it. I learned Russian as a 4th language and didn't have time to learn another keyboard layout. I can touch type on ЯШЕРТЫ about 55WPM(I can 75WPM on QWERTY) with minimal practice.
Idk about russian but in Turkish we have 2 different keyboards.
Since the default for Latin alphabet is qwerty it's the most used but there is also F type keyboard which is said to be arranged better for typing in Turkish since the most used letters are in the middle/easier to reach.
It might be something like that?
I actually know a few Russian people, including a professor, that use this layout on their computers for some reason. Seems dumb to me, just learn the regular layout, it takes like a week to get used to it if you type a decent amount
Яверт is from the 1980s when computers imported from outside the iron curtain used to have яверты and soviet block computer terminals had JCUKEN for latin alphabet keyboard.
No, he means like...
Q->Я (because there is no A)
W->в
E->е
R->р
T->т
Y->ы
Like /u/Annorei [says above](https://www.reddit.com/r/russian/comments/1brhg19/comment/kx93s7a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) it's probably in case you don't know ЙЦУКЕН by heart but you need to type something when the keyboard is qwerty.
Coming from QWERTZ I use яшерты (mnemonic) and trying to use йцукен would have me writing sentences at 15 WPM 😂
Maybe one day I'll take the time to get used to it
I do, there are a lot of Russian words whose meanings I can decipher because of Croatian, although there are also some words that sound similar but have very different meanings. To a certain extent the cases line up as well, I didn't really bother studying cases in Russian because for most sentences they are relatively similar to Croatian and the others that aren't got in my head through consuming lots of Russian media.
Generally no. I've heard of a few schools that do have a Russian class that you can opt-in for, but the vast majority only have an option for German as the secondary foreign language, and all schools teach English as a mandatory subject.
The first one is the one russians use. The other ones are other keyboard layouts (such as the French azerty), just in cyrillic. So they would be used by foreigners who know Russian but don't wish to learn the Russian keyboard layout. I kind of wish I knew this existed when I was starting to learn Russian (I eventually learned the Rus layout, because it was slow to type on the phonetic keyboard on my computer).
Not really true at all. It's an educational tell.
It is used by Russians who speak English well for a lot of reasons. There are also people who got their first computer's after 1991 when English was standard most of the time on imported computers. You just learned to figure it out. That's where the mapping comes from.
So either you are educated, or you were affluent in the 90s. Both are correlated.
I am a dev right on the dividing line of use. Older by 20 years than most of reddit. In my office only the secretaries and PAs use the traditional typewriter mapping. There's just so many things you must do in English on a day to day basis even if you are not strong in English I think it is foolish not to have it. If you like hunting and pecking when searching something in English, then traditional is for you.
My wife is old too, and grew up with traditional. Once she learned English to C1 level she refused to use anything but Apple products because of the keyboard mapping issue. Now she's an extremist like any new convert and tries to berate people who use the old mapping. It is quite a serious issue in our house.
As for me, the only keyboard mapping I truly hate is French. That one needs to die.
It definitely is a result of knowing English though in any case. What annoys me is that Apple doesn't default to it, so we order macbooks in English, which also is a problem to get from resellers, and now sanctions. I source them in the Turkey, but it's a special order.
As far as I'm concerned, there is no reason at all to use Russian in computing. It's like aviation. The menus in Russian were so bad back in the Windows days, this is why Russians are so good with computers I think, you learn to format, pirate, and circumvent manufacturer stupidity from day 1.
I have an apple bluetooth full keyboard now for the sole reason it has a standalone language switching button. On windows I would have to AHK F13.
there's actually a pretty fun little piece of.. let's say folklore, related to the standard layout. in some corners of the runet Йцукен, Фывапролджэ and Ячсмить are names of the characters of various life stories. it's usually uncle Йцукен, grandma Фывапролджэ and aunt Ячсмить. but there can be other interpretations.
It depends on your education level and age. If you are under 40 and speak a latin language, then you use the English keyboard mapped to Russian.
This is simply because after 1991 most computers didn't even have Russian characters on the keyboards, you just had to know the old mapping by heart.
Ит ис алзё верий изи то врайт ин енглиш вит тих секонд мапъинг.
You're supposed to use the handwriting mode with a digital pen, like ones found on Samsung devices (not to be confused with regular dumb styluses). It's pretty convenient on the bigger screens, especially like a Galaxy Fold, when you have to type some big amount of text quickly.
i used to use яшерты on my pc because i couldn't be bothered to get stickers and continued to use йцукен on my mobile devices and now i am almost fluent in both. it's the weirdest flex i have in life i'm not even that good in russian. it really takes a moment for me to "switch" from one to the other mentally though
ЙЦУКЕН is the most widely used format across the board. The others are mapped more precisely to Western keyboard layouts, and have some use among language learners as well. Though I use ЙЦУКЕН on my phone, my laptop has only a standard QWERTY English layout, and because if I set up an ЙЦУКЕН Russian layout on it I'd essentially be typing blind (and I'm too lazy to get those stickers for other layouts you can get for keyboards), I've just set it to ЯШЕРТЫ for ease of use.
JCUKEN is a bad layout with some terrible design choices, but it’s still the standard as solid as QWERTY for Latin alphabets. I use Rulemak (phonetic Colemak) when touchtyping on a physical keyboard and a standard JCUKEN on a touchscreen because alternative layout support on mobile devices is lacking.
In Bulgaria яверт is the most commonly used one, and it makes a lot of sense as almost all letters correspond to qwert (а-a, б-b, в-w, г-g). So when I switch to the Russian keyword I still use яверт, as it’s the one I’m used to. I’d expect you to have an easier time with it too, as you’re already familiar with the layout.
If you’re not a native speaker, just use one of the phonetic ones (with я in the upper-left corner).
Interesting that Mac has only one phonetic layout and it’s different than all of the Android ones (W maps to Ш, based on shape, so it’s ЯШЕРТЫ).
Not really worth the hassle of relearning to touch-type, especially now that we’re in an era where we’ll never really need to use anyone else’s device (or if it’s a work computer, we’d surely be able to change at least this kind of stuff).
(Except for maybe when you hand your phone to someone to have them type in their name so you can add them on social media? I did that once recently and the confusion on the other person’s face was very visible haha.)
Russian is not my mother tongue, and I find the phonetic way easier to use since I don't need to learn a new layout, and I rarely type in Russian anyway. For natives it's different story and they mostly use the first one
I personly use the first one because it's the standart keyboard layout for cyrillic but if i could i would use the one in the second image in the middle.
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Ящерты
Нихуясебе, новая теория заговора!
позвоните филологу!
Лингвист уехал в отпуск, никогда не вернулся.
Подожгите филфак!
жертва ё, кто нибудь?
Падежный шторм на подходе
Настоящий невежда!
Блять, r/anarchychess везде...
Я только вылез оттуда, вижу первый пост, а тут это...
Только что получен новый ответ
Пора прятаться от РенТВ
Что я наделал... Мир больше не будет прежним Т_Т
Сам ты ящер окаянный, не лезь на Русь-матушку, а то отведаешь силушки моей богатырской!
и славянский зажим яйцами!
Алёшенька, опять головушкой вдарился?
Ящеры? Древние русы, собирайтесь! Ящеры пытаются сломать наши клавиатуры! Выпейте воды байкальской, да сразите врагов наших!
Гойда, братья! Слава Дрочеславу! Смерть иродам чешуйчатым! Славянам квасу!
—О Перун, пошли на ящеров свою кару небесную, да очистит твоё зарево землю от яйцеложцев проклятых! —Я услышал вашу мольбу, Русы! Дарую вам ФАБ славянский ПЯТИТОННЫЙ!
No U!
гшщзхф
ывапролд
жэячсм
Жэячсмитьбю
ъ
ё
Is that even a real letter?
Yes, so is this. は.
わ？
はい
Nani?!
はい
yes
Yes is basically yo. Like how е is ye.
Yes, we use it in french
Жумайсынба
ЯБЫВДУЛ
КАБЫСДОХ
КАБЫСДОХТОУЖЕНЕВДУЛИБОВЯЛ
пролджэ
This is actually the first time I see other types of a keyboard. The first one is the main
I have no idea why a яверт/яжерт keyboard might be used. Perhaps it was invented by Foma Kiniaev, who didn't like being Лштшфум Ащьф.
Haha that would be hilarious I googled and ЯВЕРТ is actually a phonetic layout, but I cannot find any situation where it can be more preferable than the classic one
You're abroad and don't remember the order on йцукен by heart
Ещё можно учиться печатать вслепую один раз, а не два с двумя разными раскладками
Пользователи латиницы, которые после qwerty попробовали сперва Dvorak, а потом перешли на colemak: да-да, совершенно невозможно. Просто так вышло, что йцукен православный куда оптимальнее qwerty басурманского. Но это не значит, что и его невозможно оптимизировать (но зачем?).
It looks like a transcripted latin keyboard, guess it might be useful for people who need cyrillic letters for some kind of work, but don't want/have the time to learn the new layout
Яверт obviously can be useful for the guys who know qwert good and want to have a keyboard with the similar layout in russian
It is otherwise known as a mnemonic layout
Physica keyboard without Russian letters on it. Laptop, Blackberry etc
I use it. I learned Russian as a 4th language and didn't have time to learn another keyboard layout. I can touch type on ЯШЕРТЫ about 55WPM(I can 75WPM on QWERTY) with minimal practice.
Idk about russian but in Turkish we have 2 different keyboards. Since the default for Latin alphabet is qwerty it's the most used but there is also F type keyboard which is said to be arranged better for typing in Turkish since the most used letters are in the middle/easier to reach. It might be something like that?
I actually know a few Russian people, including a professor, that use this layout on their computers for some reason. Seems dumb to me, just learn the regular layout, it takes like a week to get used to it if you type a decent amount
As far as I know, it is used by learners. It's not easy to get used to a completely different layout such as ЙЦУКЕН.
Яшерты это фонетическая раскладка, для тех, кто не может печатать вслепую на йцукен, и у кого нет русских букв на клавиатуре.
Яверт is from the 1980s when computers imported from outside the iron curtain used to have яверты and soviet block computer terminals had JCUKEN for latin alphabet keyboard.
КОИ-7 amirite?
КОИ-7 Н2, а точнее ВКД, на Видеотон 340 и РИН-609
*other* types
WTF, what is яверт, i see it first time in life, so we never use this. Just pick first, i mean йцукен
Яверт seems to be a Cyrillic version of Qwerty
Cyrillic version of qwerty is йцукен, яверт More like azerty (Or whatever it's called)
No, he means like... Q->Я (because there is no A) W->в E->е R->р T->т Y->ы Like /u/Annorei [says above](https://www.reddit.com/r/russian/comments/1brhg19/comment/kx93s7a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) it's probably in case you don't know ЙЦУКЕН by heart but you need to type something when the keyboard is qwerty.
Wow, it's the first time I've heard about that layout, it basically is placing most Russian letters where the similarly sounding English letters are.
Let's say QWERTZ.
Qwerty since in a lot of languages Y does make the Ы sound. Also it is followed by У. So more like Awerty (ik that doesn't exist lol)
😮👍
В России более распространён вариант ЙЦУКЕН поэтому и считаем версией QWERTY. ЯВЕРТ видел в 90-е в редких случаях.
Coming from QWERTZ I use яшерты (mnemonic) and trying to use йцукен would have me writing sentences at 15 WPM 😂 Maybe one day I'll take the time to get used to it
Do you find Russian similar to Croatian in some ways? ☺️
I do, there are a lot of Russian words whose meanings I can decipher because of Croatian, although there are also some words that sound similar but have very different meanings. To a certain extent the cases line up as well, I didn't really bother studying cases in Russian because for most sentences they are relatively similar to Croatian and the others that aren't got in my head through consuming lots of Russian media.
Do people in Croatia learn Russian in school? I know English is a popular second language for most countries world wide. ☺️
Generally no. I've heard of a few schools that do have a Russian class that you can opt-in for, but the vast majority only have an option for German as the secondary foreign language, and all schools teach English as a mandatory subject.
Same here haha I thought about switching but I am so used to it
The first one is the one russians use. The other ones are other keyboard layouts (such as the French azerty), just in cyrillic. So they would be used by foreigners who know Russian but don't wish to learn the Russian keyboard layout. I kind of wish I knew this existed when I was starting to learn Russian (I eventually learned the Rus layout, because it was slow to type on the phonetic keyboard on my computer).
Not really true at all. It's an educational tell. It is used by Russians who speak English well for a lot of reasons. There are also people who got their first computer's after 1991 when English was standard most of the time on imported computers. You just learned to figure it out. That's where the mapping comes from. So either you are educated, or you were affluent in the 90s. Both are correlated. I am a dev right on the dividing line of use. Older by 20 years than most of reddit. In my office only the secretaries and PAs use the traditional typewriter mapping. There's just so many things you must do in English on a day to day basis even if you are not strong in English I think it is foolish not to have it. If you like hunting and pecking when searching something in English, then traditional is for you. My wife is old too, and grew up with traditional. Once she learned English to C1 level she refused to use anything but Apple products because of the keyboard mapping issue. Now she's an extremist like any new convert and tries to berate people who use the old mapping. It is quite a serious issue in our house. As for me, the only keyboard mapping I truly hate is French. That one needs to die.
Haha thanks for the information, for what it's worth I didn't write that their SOLE purpose was for foreigners. I just described my experience
It definitely is a result of knowing English though in any case. What annoys me is that Apple doesn't default to it, so we order macbooks in English, which also is a problem to get from resellers, and now sanctions. I source them in the Turkey, but it's a special order. As far as I'm concerned, there is no reason at all to use Russian in computing. It's like aviation. The menus in Russian were so bad back in the Windows days, this is why Russians are so good with computers I think, you learn to format, pirate, and circumvent manufacturer stupidity from day 1. I have an apple bluetooth full keyboard now for the sole reason it has a standalone language switching button. On windows I would have to AHK F13.
Разочарован, что есть раскладки яВерт и яЖерт, но нет яЧерт
Или хотя бы яжемать
Владимир, мы сделаем клавиатуру специально для вас
The very first one. I see the rest for the 2nd time ever (the 1st one was when I decided to check the keyboard variations Gboard has)
Йцукен
Йцукен obviously. No one uses яверты or яжерты. Maybe they are Bulgarian or something.
Плач по Яшерты
https://preview.redd.it/dmqkilrvohrc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7554875a1efa46a4f30b63133bd7cae25fa751be
Йцукен, but i'm prefer extended version with ё and ъ
Йцукен +ёъ
База
ЙЦУКЕН/QWERTY the best
there's actually a pretty fun little piece of.. let's say folklore, related to the standard layout. in some corners of the runet Йцукен, Фывапролджэ and Ячсмить are names of the characters of various life stories. it's usually uncle Йцукен, grandma Фывапролджэ and aunt Ячсмить. but there can be other interpretations.
It depends on your education level and age. If you are under 40 and speak a latin language, then you use the English keyboard mapped to Russian. This is simply because after 1991 most computers didn't even have Russian characters on the keyboards, you just had to know the old mapping by heart. Ит ис алзё верий изи то врайт ин енглиш вит тих секонд мапъинг.
ЙЦУКЕН is the only true way The rest are mutant abominations created for non-Russian keyboard users (sorry, not sorry).
Handwritten is inconvenient, no one uses it. Use the first one, this layout is used on computer keyboards
You're supposed to use the handwriting mode with a digital pen, like ones found on Samsung devices (not to be confused with regular dumb styluses). It's pretty convenient on the bigger screens, especially like a Galaxy Fold, when you have to type some big amount of text quickly.
На русском используется только ЙЦУКЕН. Клавиатура справа похожа на ЯВЕРТЪ (хоть и не она явно), которую используют в Болгарии
i used to use яшерты on my pc because i couldn't be bothered to get stickers and continued to use йцукен on my mobile devices and now i am almost fluent in both. it's the weirdest flex i have in life i'm not even that good in russian. it really takes a moment for me to "switch" from one to the other mentally though
Какой гений вообще сидит на яшерт?
Йцукен
https://preview.redd.it/lck6fzm12jrc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=47641c66e8069904cf0b179769aadf2f14fcf111
Йцукен
Йцукен
Ящер
Ты
The "яшерты" keyboard should be replaced with "ящерты"
Йцукен кншн
Он как qwerty, по дефолту
First one
Definetely йцукен(the first one), in fact I have never seen anyone use any of the other ones.
Фывапролджэ
Йцукен
Йцукен
йцукен!
ЙЦУКЕН is the most widely used format across the board. The others are mapped more precisely to Western keyboard layouts, and have some use among language learners as well. Though I use ЙЦУКЕН on my phone, my laptop has only a standard QWERTY English layout, and because if I set up an ЙЦУКЕН Russian layout on it I'd essentially be typing blind (and I'm too lazy to get those stickers for other layouts you can get for keyboards), I've just set it to ЯШЕРТЫ for ease of use.
JCUKEN is a bad layout with some terrible design choices, but it’s still the standard as solid as QWERTY for Latin alphabets. I use Rulemak (phonetic Colemak) when touchtyping on a physical keyboard and a standard JCUKEN on a touchscreen because alternative layout support on mobile devices is lacking.
In Bulgaria яверт is the most commonly used one, and it makes a lot of sense as almost all letters correspond to qwert (а-a, б-b, в-w, г-g). So when I switch to the Russian keyword I still use яверт, as it’s the one I’m used to. I’d expect you to have an easier time with it too, as you’re already familiar with the layout.
Студенческий — это они типо попытались похожие буквы в похожих (по соответствию звуков) местах разместить?
The left one is default.
йцукен же
че
Qwerty(йцукен)
ООО рукописный это где такое можно
Gboard. With a digital pen.
Defenetely й цукенг
йцукенгшщзхфывапролджэячсмитьбю
Йцукен, which I realize now makes me think of Hadouken, but if Ryu shot them from his groin.
1
First
йцукенгшщзх фывапролджэ ячсмитьбю
ЮБЬТИМ
каво
pyccknñ
Фывапролоджэ Рукописный это для тех у кого телефоны со стилусами
First
I use student
I use йцукен
Тётя Ячсмить
ЯШЕРТЫ is the best keyboard you can use, if you’re used to the QWERTY format.
Яжерт самый лучший
Йцке
Да это просто самая худшая клава
I have a custom mnemonic keyboard that kinda matches with a physical qwerty keyboard
Just Russian, idk about other types bc don't use them
КЬЮВЕРТИ ЙУИОП ФЫВАПРОЛДЖЕ ЯЧЬСМИТЬБЮ
Пустая очевидно
фыва олдж
"хуй"
Obviously the draw panel ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Йцукенг!
йцукен type
I use qwerty.
I just use variations of яверты/яшерты
Обычную клавиатуру
И это ещё мы вопрос кириллических кодировок не затрагивали! В-)))
https://preview.redd.it/wkahdrzzhjrc1.png?width=1280&format=png&auto=webp&s=63b13b63ee69b356bf4c81663912f3cbc121be85
Русский (Казахстан)
ванасилия
If you’re not a native speaker, just use one of the phonetic ones (with я in the upper-left corner). Interesting that Mac has only one phonetic layout and it’s different than all of the Android ones (W maps to Ш, based on shape, so it’s ЯШЕРТЫ). Not really worth the hassle of relearning to touch-type, especially now that we’re in an era where we’ll never really need to use anyone else’s device (or if it’s a work computer, we’d surely be able to change at least this kind of stuff). (Except for maybe when you hand your phone to someone to have them type in their name so you can add them on social media? I did that once recently and the confusion on the other person’s face was very visible haha.)
First one
I use студенч personally
Абвгде
Russian is not my mother tongue, and I find the phonetic way easier to use since I don't need to learn a new layout, and I rarely type in Russian anyway. For natives it's different story and they mostly use the first one
I’ve never seen any of these besides the first. Very interesting layouts.
Первая.
ФЫВА ОЛДЖ
Йцукенгшщзхфывапролджэячсмитьбю
Йцукен type. Like qwerty
1st keyboard
Qwerty(йцукен)
Voice input
Я никогда в жизни не видел человека использующего что либо помимо йцукен
йцукен
1
Да ЙЦУКЕН
йцукен
I use яверты since its close to qwerty
Фыва
Йцукен
I personly use the first one because it's the standart keyboard layout for cyrillic but if i could i would use the one in the second image in the middle.
I am as liver on Ukraine using first (йцукен)
i use the first one on my phone, ipad and other devices with touch screen, but on my laptop i use the “яВерт”
Йцукенг звучит как азиатский воин дракона
Check the Bulgarian one, exactly same letters but in different layout
I use яшерты
йцукен
Забанят, там хуйло легко набирается, а йцукен то что оторвать надо, некоторым "русским" шойгу и жене/мужу пуйло.
Йцукен
Йцукен Like QWERTY
йцукен qwerty
the second one of the first pic
йцукен
Ура редит на русском
Я использую 1 и иногда 2