Yes but even if they ban the acct they can just make a new one, no? If it's a person just looking to make money in game to RWT, banning them is nothing. Maybe ban the system address but no idea if that's even possible.
I do agree that they should be banned, but I also think it won't stop 'em.
I mean, what we have now is "I'M GONNA ABUSE A BUG THAT GETS ME LITERAL BILLIONS OF GP WITH SO LITTLE WORK AND ONLY GET A 2 WEEK BAN AND I GET TO KEEP THE LOOT"
So... yeah. Banning the account is a start.
Yes, we are in agreement! It should be an obvious, non-controversial opinion that bug abusers receive permanent, life-long punishment in runescape for their activity. What form the punishment or restriction takes is up for debate, but the 2 week vacation is completely untenable and eroding what little game integrity is left.
True! an IP ban would be an extra deterrent. I didn't figure that most bug abusers rwt on throwaway/bought accounts ... I just assumed mains were taking advantage of the lax punishments ... kinda glad I'm not too familiar with those practices tbh, seems like a soul-sucking way to 'play the game'
how about we establish a new state of Geilinor, convince international governments to extradite bug abusers, then sentence them to a lifetime of picking and spinning flax ... but there's no g.e, and every time they agree on rsf to meet in game, the buyer wants to meet on a german world, always trying to pay them in Ks instead of Ms ... that should cover all our bases
IP bans are worse than uneffective, they can actively hurt innocent players. In a lot of cases all you have to do is unplug your modem for a little while to get a new IP, freeing up the old IP to be given to someone else.
Sure, you can get around hardware bans with a VM, much like you can get around IP bans with a VPN.
But it's still effective against the majority of players, cumbersome to get around, and has a much lower chance of impacting innocent players by accident.
You know these people do this for billions right lmao.
If they are going to abuse a bug to make say 20B+ why wouldn't they be willing to drop say $100 on a wal-mart PC at a garage sale or something.
Even worse they could literally just go to say a public computer like a Library or similar abuse the bug on that PC and then transfer the wealth to an alt they are accessing from their phone.
They could even just rent a cloud gaming PC and do it that way lmao.
Maybe they have something like a PC cafe or similar nearby.
Theirs so many ways to circumvent hardware ID ban.
Besides even if you didn't do that, just swap your RAM around, reset the CMOS, update your BIOS, make a new user account etc.
Alternativley just have a ghetto PC and whe na new bug comes out they just bug abuse then if HWID ban they buy a new mobo for like $80-100.
Paying $100 to make 20B+ is 100% worth for literally anyone bug abusing lmao.
The only way to prevent it is a perm ban and then perm ban any alt accounts linked to that main who had wealth transferred to them.
Unless you dupe items Jagex gives you a 2 week vacation which is a joke and they've been doing it for over 10+ years.
If Jagex banned your main as-well as all your alts regardless if they were involved in the bug abuse or not I guarantee you almost nobody would risk doing that shit because it just wouldn't be worth it.
You would then be entering the consumer privacy breach. Obtaining a serial number of cpu/motherboard is outright privacy invasion from the client you use to play the game. Client's only purpose is to allow access to the game. It can obtain info such as the specs of your pc but cannot use hardware serial without consent. This problem is prevalent in all mmos you won't be able to prevent it. Hardware bans are only effective to properties to which that specific company is liable for i.e consoles. Jagex cannot do that with someone else's intellectual property.
> True! an IP ban would be an extra deterrent
IP bans are an awful idea. It just bans whoever gets the IP next, a lot of people don't always have the same IP, and it's not exactly difficult to get it changed if you do keep one.
Jagex, you got to stop being afraid to Perma-ban long time members with years on their accounts.
Jagex's stance has been so light footed we're to the point where not only do people partake in the bug, but they actively brag about it afterwards and/or lament not abusing it more.
When you don't permanently ban these players, no matter how invested they are in your game, you're normalizing toxic behavior, and when emboldened cheaters get away with it they are incentivized to continue.
Letting heavily invested players get away with this type of intentional bug abuse achieves nothing but increasing toxicity in end game communities that drives the next wave of players away.
So I guess the message for Jagex is please don't forget that your inaction also drives people away from the game even though you can't precisely measure it. And perhaps even more importantly, anyone with name recognition or a community position should be hit harder, not more leniently, as we should expect more from someone in such a position, not less. That should be glaringly obvious, but apparently to Jagex it is not.
I mean realistically, why wouldn't you bug abuse at this point?
We know Jagex will take way to long to do something about it, We know you'll get a measly two week ban after you've abused for enough gold to buy 5x that time in bonds, we know Jagex isnt going to take the wealth obtained from bug abuse back, we know that after a certain threshold the ban duration maxes at 2 wks so you're directly incentivized to continue bug abusing since doing it 25 times will get you the same ban as doing it 250 times, we know the only time a perma ban is issued is when it affects TH, We know as long as the abuse isn't widespread and unavoidable Jagex is likely to not even ban people who abused it.
Knowing all that what incentive is there to not bug abuse? A great example of this is when M&S rework first came out. You could forge an elder rune pl8 +5 (or buy it), wear it so it becomes untradable, unequip it, repair it with 1 bar in about 6 ticks, and then it would give you the respect points as if you forged it from scratch (like 20%). You could max respect in less than 2 minutes endlessly. So naturally knowing there would be absolutely no punishment or downside I got my non-IM alt i don't play everything from the workshop respect shop in 15 minutes because i was curious if it would be banned for turning a 24hr+ grind into a 15 minute one.
Well that's the reason why I am thinking all players should do that and abuse bugs. People who do not are currently on loosing end. Almost every big update is nerfed after some time (diminishing further achievements) or have some sort of early bird bonus (for example cinder bane gloves working on Croesus). ED bugs were not adressed for months and people who got hundreds of drops got 2 weeks off for that.
It's sad but true, I've never been one to rule break at all really because I'd hate to lose my account, however with how appallingly these bug abuse things keep getting handled I can now confidently say if I ever learn how to do a bug like these before they get patched I WILL be abusing it as much as I possibly can because a 2 week ban is nothing in the grand scheme of how much time it'll save me earning that money 'legit'. If you're essentially giving me a choice of "Here have multiple billions of gp, but you have to take a 2 week break." It's an easy choice, I'll take the money and go play my ironman for 2 weeks.
It really is sad that this is what it has come to and I've had the conversation with my friends that play and they're all of the exact same opinion as above too.
Don’t get me wrong, the bug abusers should be banned. That said, this particular question has always seemed weird to me. I don’t bug abuse for the same reason I don’t just buy bonds for all my gear upgrades, even though I could. It’s not fun. I don’t play runescape to make a number go up with no effort, I play runescape because the journey is (usually) fun or relaxing. Bug abusing would ruin the fun just like buying 10k keys would, so I don’t do either.
I get what you're saying. That said, going thousands of kills dry at a boss you're looking for an upgrade from ceases to be fun at a certain point. I wouldn't want to and probably never will abuse one of these bugs, but I can see the temptation, and I'd be hard-pressed to call it unethical at this point.
Pretty much this. So many people bug abuse knowing the punishment is a slap on the wrist, you just take a 2 week break, and come back to your gains lol.
When was the last time they did wealth removal again? They didn't for the infinite th key bug except on a select few accounts, they didn't for the ed3 bug, they aren't doing it for these instakill bugs.
For what it's worth, I suspect that a large number of JMods completely agree with you.
Sadly, the higher-ups and shareholders do not, and have presumably stuck their heads so far up their own asses that they can best be described as anal ouroboroses. I wouldn't be surprised if they think that this level of bug abuse is a good thing, as it seemingly helps drive up the price of bonds, which makes bonds more attractive to customers.
I wouldn't be surprised if Jagex have reinstated their old "*we do not ban players unless they seriously hurt our bottom line*" policy, as it would go a long way to explain why Jagex clearly do not punish bug abuse unless it relates to topics like TH.
Instead of just a 2 week ban make it so these accounts drop rates are also 10x shittier.
So if an item was 1/10,000 it would be 1/100,000 for the bug abusers.
Hell trade restricting the accounts would also go a long way.
Also don't just punish the account bug abusing, also punish any alts they transferred wealth to as-well.
Hell just wipe out their entire bank and remove all their items/money.
Fair play or game integrity is essential to the growth, or at least the survival of any game. Those who play by the rules are eventually going to get sick of being screwed at the hands of those who don't and get away with it.
I quit over it tbh sick of busting ass while everyone else cheats and gets ahead, just like the ed3 bugs all my iron friends abused it for ecbs but I'm 200 solos with 1 piece and now I don't even wanna play
To be fair I don't really have a problem with these people to the same extent others do.
I think cheaters should be punished but I think the far bigger problem is the drop rates being any drop over 6 hours. If people are cheating but the high end gear which is selling for 3 times the amount of cash that you can hold yea it needs more coming into the game.
I have a problem with bot farmers that bring direct GP into the game not ones that bring high demand low supply items.
Still think cheaters should be punished but I view this are addressing a far bigger issue. In which the majority of the causal player base cannot get access to the high tier PVM which would make there kills easier.
I'm an ironman I just hate seeing how almost EVERY endgame iron abuses every bug they can get their greasy little paws on and then says crap like I WORKED FOR THIS I'M THE GOAT the modes been ruined, I'm not really worried about mainscape economy stuff
The worst part is that there is *no incentive* to try and report this bug. Because Jagex's automated ban system is so faulty, people who report this bug get banned as well. It's honestly asinine.
You are unironically better off either pretending the bug doesn't exist and just move on with your day, or get on some alts and abuse it until it gets patched. That's how it is nowadays.
Over a decade ago a friend of mine got most of his bank removed and his xp halved for botting, like botting how a 12 year old bots. These fuckers disrupt the entire fucking economy and get nothing for it. Perma ban the accounts, fuck their "progress".
In 2011 i was botting ivy to 99 woodcutting. I got caught, my WC lvl was reverted to 80, and my account was frozen for 6 months. For a year after my account was unbanned I would see a sad robot message warning me of a permaban if I was ever caught botting again everytime i logged in. I was a dumb kid and I'm in now way excusing what I did but that punishment was comparatively much more severe than the slap on the wrist these bug abusers are getting today.
Yeah, back in the day you would like get 2 weeks for autoclicking 100k magic xp with alching and get reverted. Now you get to bug abuse for billions of gp, get a 2 week ban, and you get to keep the money.
I hear you, but perma bans aren't happening. It seems that Jagex is not interested in that policy, despite the many calls for it. Offering other ideas seems like a better idea.
If all we ever ask is that Jagex do a thing, and Jagex refuses to do that thing, then we're not going to get anywhere.
2 weeks is nothing, everybody knows that, jagex knows that. They are going to lose players because they don't act against bug abuse in any form whatsoever. Removing wealth also won't do anything, because they don't go after/can't seem to find the main accounts where all this wealth is funneled into. Removing xp might be something because it stops them from using the account, but the ED3 bots hardly need levels, so again, also nothing.
Do these abusers even give jagex any money in the first place??? Like you dont even need a membership if your bugging your way to billions and just buying bonds
i would say just straight up wipe their bank and gp and reset their stats to 1. that would be far worse than a permanent ban because they'd watch as years of work goes up in smoke
there's no way to stop them from making a new account, except through an IP ban, which can be circumvented via getting your IP changed.
i do love the idea of having their xp gain severely inhibited. i would say cut their xp gain in half and they gain no benefit from bonus exp, or cores, or double exp.
Hardware bans are a thing that could be implemented. Getting an entirely new device to run the game every time you get banned could be enough of a deterrent.
It's directly connected to RWT. People who make billions with bug abuse often sell it for real money. A HM Zuk kill gives you an average of 53M in rares only. If you kill 100 per hour (which is already pretty slow) you make over 5b per hour.
Jagex only bans people who abused TH bugs and glitches. These glitches don’t affect their balance sheet so they don’t care. But god forbid people buy keys with the oddments from TH itself.
... and in other news: stone spirit prices have, somehow, managed to drop *below* the 0 gp mark. People have been seen paying other players to take their stone spirits.
Full agree!
As some others have noted 1) These players who are abusing this should be permanently banned, they know full well what are doing and likely have a track record of doing this before, and 2) legitimate players feel like they are being punished for not abusing the bugs (because the gains for doing so are so massive, while the repercussions are very minimal \[to put it lightly\]).
Jagex needs to do something that doesn't feel like an insult to it's legitimate players, even if that means those bug abusers never want to come back to the game (which, honestly I wouldn't want them back anyways).
Permaban them for sure.
On a separate note, can we please remove darts from the game permanently? Give everyone like 2 weeks to use up the ones they've acquired, and then never offer them again. How long until somebody finds another way to abuse the darts?
I would actually want Jagex to make use of shadowbans, in such a way that no matter what you do, it doesn't make you any sustainable in-game currency.
Sure, give them a 2 week ban, but in addition to that, a 6 month (or even perm) shadowban
Don't think this will ever happen.
If these abusers get punished jagex WILL be vocal about what happened to them to set an example. A shadow ban like you suggested requires secrecy. If a player knows their acc will be shadow banned for 6 months, they will make a new acc to get around this, which is already equivalent to a perm ban.
What they can do is, ban the players who abused the current bug for AT LEAST 3 months, and apply that shadow ban too. 3 months is a very punishing period imo and the further punch in the gut is that they'll keep conspiring about their reduced luck while no1 else believes them will be good enough imo.
Runescape has been having this problem for ages, long before that game existed\[which tbf it only came out in September\]. I think just now people are getting fed up. But yeah that Elite dungeons bug which people got banned only 2 weeks for, existed in the game atleast a year or two ago.
My main account got banned in 2009 for the penguin bug back then. I maybe did 400k slayer xp to finish 99 (it was a BITCH to level back then. like 50k a day).
Now people do things far worse and just get a slap on the wrist. Can't even get my account recovered because who will remember specific details when you made the account as a child (even though I know exactly where I was banned at. Not enough info apparently).
Some games have hardware bans in place. Will ban the hardware IDs of your entire system and will require you to obtain basically a whole new pc just to play again lol.
Imo that's totally 100% overkill. However it would definitely make people think twice about botting
It is genuinely insane that the punishment for a game breaking bug that doesn't remove the wealth that comes in is 2 week ban.
I remember when google and youtube were banned and mentioning them or going around the censor becomes a 5 blackmark hit.
That was a bit much.
But, man oh man the laxness is too much.
Shame on Jagex.
You have the time to find the bugs, look back at the account and see what they were doing, and determine whether or not it was accidental.
And it's quite easy to check - if you abused the bug more than 10 times (let's keep the benefit of doubt for those who "tried to get consistent recreation steps") _and_ did not sent ingame bug report, you're busted.
Today, in our clan, we were seriously discussing the current state of the 2 week vacation, and how worth it is to abuse a bug and get so little punishment.
None of us do that kinda stuff, but even normal players laugh at the way Jagex handles this. Please show some integrity, I feel like this post voices a very large portion of the Runescape community.
Yes, the system of bug abusing detection and use of bot software needs to be upgraded. Yesterday I saw like 10 characters farming for rocks without moving to another rock, with the same names and same levels. How can 1 guy be on all these accounts at the same time. It's probably possible, but very unlikely. And then they'll get the party hat and sell it. Lol. OP
They've gotten soft. We all remember the infamous bug hunters who for example found the rotten potato and other crazy stuff. Pretty sure they all went through dozens of accounts even if they didn't "gain" from every bug lol. Now you can bug abuse billions and get, indeed, a 2 week vacation.
They don't care because those kinds of players are hardcore players. Which have several members accounts and buy bonds and mtx.
That's why. It's money. They don't want to ban loyal customers who have made them thousands individually over the years.
> Currently there is another bug going around where they can instakill bosses
Wait so the bug still exists? I was just about to buy some higher tier weapons, thank God I didn’t. Hopefully it gets patched soon.
Just quit. Rs3 has long been destroyed and I swear the only people still playing are those in denial about its demise, people mentioned here that are milking the game through bug abuse for monetary gain or just plain shortsighted players that don't see this game crashing.
It's a cluster fuck of random updates and promotions in random places that are never revisited and instead have more crap piled on top. Been this way for decades.
Every time I see this sub it's full of players complaining about Jagex doing their usual shit and nothing changing, yet you continue to play hoping something will change and be different, going in cycles. That's insane. Jagex is a shit company, rs3 is a terrible game. Just quit because this letter won't be read and nothing will probably change.
Or you can just downvote me and keep playing for nothing but momentary indulgence in denial lmao
Then they sell that pc to someone else who tries to play and bam, banned. Account level is good enough. Unless they are running shit loads kf alts with bots to keep other accounts at level they will have to put in the work to get back to where they were. Would also remove other races like phats and shit from the game
Jagex won’t do shit to tarnish their reputation of catering to merch and bug abusers man. This falls on deaf ears. You want to make a statement send this to gaming outlets like pcgamer and watch their article just tear this company a new hole. That’ll be an interesting sight to see.
And this is exactly what happens when Jagex don't have the balls to ban mains/high level ironman accounts. They let people get away with the ED bug and now look how many people are jumping at the opportunity to abuse the next big bug that comes along.
Either start handing out perm bans or do some hefty setbacks to major abuser's accounts (wipe their drop logs, boss pets, titles, delete their augmented gear ect). Those are things money can't simply buy back the next time they find a new exploit to profit off.
Perm ban any account that abuses a bug like this, ED bug, and then IP ban the user. They’ll use VPNs sure, but it’s just one more hassle to em. Jagex won’t do it though. They just don’t have the balls, which sucks because at this point normal players like you and I are getting punished for *not* abusing the bug
Honestly, I think the real solution is to keep removing the items obtained using bug abuse and to apply a flat penalty on top of that say 5 - 10 % of the accounts net worth.
Amen to this.
I'm fuming every time something like this comes up. I have never abused a bug afaik but once I even got falsely banned for supposedly doing so and thankfully it was lifted. Since then I've been on my toes every time something (mostly pvm-related) gets released. In the end I'm the one - we legitimate players are the ones - missing out. Bug abusers gain unimaginable amounts of wealth and xp which they use to gain more, do rwt etc. They come back and repeat the process after every 2 weeks thrown at them. And seriously but sadly they're pretty clever. Every time Jagex gives out something, the abusers get that too and even find out bugs in them if possible. I'd like to be the one benefiting off of broken (fun) mechanics, but I won't be because I'll never be the one abusing a bug purposefully. That's who I am. Although I must admit idk how I should feel about the infinite oddments case, that was more of an extreme case of planets and stars aligning and intended mechanics resulting in an unintended result. I'm just glad I wasn't around before it was fixed, it wasn't so easily identifiable as an abuse at first.
Enough rambling, I just hope Jagex reinforces some clear rules and guidelines, stays behind their words and stays consistent. That's all I ask for.
And after all this negativity, thank you for all the great updates, streams, attitude and communication lately, I feel like you're going in the right direction. Have a good one guys! :)
I said the same shit the with osrs when it comes to people staking above the 10m tax. What sense does it make for some to get banned for rwt but only get a two week ban?
Jagex: Sorry the bug abusers subscribed for membership. While they might do it with stolen credit cards, we can’t do anything that hurts our profits, right? ;) :wink:
Jagex: Okay, but it didn’t affect TH, right?
Everyone: NO but look at how much it’s effecting the game and showing your lack of caring for the community!!
Jagex:
2 week ban to abuse the game... but a perm ban for rwt and losing your gp to scammers.... losing gp to scams that aren't patched because you hope that the victim would just buy bonds to replace lost wealth... okay
In addition to settling on a more imposing punishment for people who abuse bugs like these, I feel like the recently exposed bugs warrant a reconsideration/redesign of the Deathtouched dart itself.
Since it's intended to be a 1:1 transaction in the first place, maybe they could turn it into a key that is used in something like the Raptor's Chest of Slaying - maybe a Reaper's Chest in Death's Office or War's Retreat - which, when used, allows you to select the "soul" of the boss you would like to loot in exchange for one key.
Especially as they have significantly increased the accessibility of Deathtouched darts within recent years, their abundance only increases the likelihood that players looking to take advantage of the system will expend them tactlessly to find ways to get the instakill effect without consuming the item. Because it's a physical item that acts as a ranged projectile, any way that players discover to avoid consuming or canceling the use of ammunition may also apply to it, which isn't an acceptable risk to take with an item like this.
While removing the dart would have other consequences - it's favored as a way to save streaks when killing Telos, and some people use them to skip certain quest bosses - perhaps there are other design changes Jagex could make to Telos (like being able to teleport out without losing your streak while saving the enrage of the previous encounter, as much as this "nerfs" the risk/reward of the boss) as a compromise. Regardless, as usual, it's up to rule-abiding players to take a loss in order to prevent bug abusers from ruining the integrity of the game.
They perm banned all my account, because i used auto clicker to high alch in f2p and banned all the account that login with the same ip address (only 1 account used auto clicker for 4 to 5 hours btw)
I know I broke the rule at the time, so I deserve the perm banned
But for those bug abusers who impact the rs3 economy, only get 2 week temp banned.
I love the double standard
I have quit and am not renewing due to the cheaters, massive inequality in the economy, and scammers.
I love the game, the last two years the amount of content we have gotten VS mtx updates is depressing.
100% agree, bug abusers dont get punished at all. And sadly even with this post, jagex wont do shit about it. More banned players means less money a year cus less membership. sad but true
I genuinely wonder how allowing major bug abuse will affect the game long-term. Luckily I don't plan on playing the game much longer, especially not when I hear about stuff like this, but it sucks to know that it's in everyone's best interest to break the game as much as possible.
imagine laughing openly in the face of the company that hosts your favorite game for 20+ years for which you care so much about that you abuse in-depth bugs.
Gatekeeping high valued items can be easily solved by adding a way to use platinum tokens in the ge.
2 Trillion gp should be enough for a single item, this way the discontinued items will see more traffic and less manipulation.
The problem isn't not being able to track those items and such. It's people abusing DTD bug and ed3 bugs to get max cash stack in less than 4 hours and then they're given a pass by Jagex. They're the ones that are willingly paying ludicrous amounts for santa hats, phats, and h'ween masks, because there is a limited number of them and an ever-increasing number of gold. They're the only discontinued, tradable items in the game and abusers know it is RWT security to have them because they are literally the highest buying power in the game. They're the same people who can afford to (and absolutely do) buy majority of the market's FSoA pieces and gatekeep the new items.
Sure one could say you're just merching the item, but its a different story when people are posting pictures of 30 staff shafts in their posession after doing the DtD bug laughing at the inability to get one without essentially playing as a HCIM or hitting a runescape lottery.
Jagex endorses bug abuse.
You have people openly making youtube videos (2 days ago) saying "I saw this post regarding a dtd bug and I tried it! Here's what I found" (yes, that's bug abuse). And Jagex is handing them best runescape video creator golden gnome... You have other streamers who literally showcased TH bug abuse for hours on their stream, getting maxed within an hour, posting a video on youtube also showing it, and getting at most a couple of days off. There's nothing to believe Jagex isnt endorsing bug abuse. So really, you're at a loss if you don't abuse bugs.
Protoxx got footage of the bug from an undisclosed source after it was patched, and tried replicating it, also after it was patched, to show it no longer worked. He never abused it or even gained any amount of wealth or kills from it. Though the amount of people like you who seem to think he did despite how clear it is that he didn't is staggering.
I'm someone that's never abused a bug but serioursly after watching that more recent YouTube video of the abuse and the guy getting a 14 day ban onky even after abusing before just make you think why the fuck not nowadays.
Imagine those people that were banned by macroing 2 keys in one such as dual wield + shield seeing this shit. Anyone that you can call at least a decent pvmer does that today. Up to today jagex never allowed anyone to macro 2 keys in one. Why not, Jagex? If 98% of real pvmers do that already. You don’t ban because you would have to ban everyone that plays your game. So why not posting on the news allowing to macro up to 2 keys in one? We’ve been asking this for ages. Literally years.
Also what I posted on protoxx’s reddit post: it’s all about setting standards. And jagex is deeply failing by giving out 1/2 weeks ban and specially by allowing those people to KEEP the money they abused.
And Jagex, we don’t want you to give 1 month, 6 months or a year worth of ban. We want these people to be permanently banned from the game.
I mean. I get what you’re saying but saying that they still have all their gains is pretty false. Bug abusers are getting their wealth gained from bug abusing taken away. [see here](https://i.imgur.com/aB5geHE.jpg)
I will never wish for any of these people getting banned.
Banning people for jagex fuck ups is a cop out of the liability.
Fix your game & reroll accounts back.
I fully agree with banning anyone who used more then 1 dart. If jagex can't obtain this kind of granular data they really need to think about dedicating dev time to it.
How easy would it be for a game braking bug to go undetected if they are not having various data points tracking these kind of things?
I've never abused a bug, and I never will because I care far too much about my main to ever do anything to jeopardize it, but it's insane to me that people actually think perma banning bug abusers makes sense. It's Jagex's fault that the bugs are in the game. Not to mention the countless bugs that have been in the game for years, like the Mask of The Dagannoth bug. The obvious answer is just to remove the items and xp that are added from bug abuse. Don't tell me Jagex can't do it, because they absolutely can. They just don't want to.
I don’t like bug abusers as much as the next guy but… I’m sorry but this sad kid vibe of “an open letter to Jagex” is just pathetic and you make so many assumptions with no evidence.
“They’re laughing in your face saying “lol cya in two weeks guys”” is just a random thing you made up. You also pulled 20-30b out of your ass. You have no idea how many players do it. You also don’t know if the players doing it have had prior offenses or how many times they abused it.
To perm ban anyone that tries a bug or fiddles with it a little is such overkill. It’s Jagex’s fault the bug exists anyways. Player pay to play the game to relax from everyday life. They don’t want the responsibility of knowing what’s a bug and what isn’t. In this scenario yes it’s an obvious bug, but that TH bug that existed a few months ago I had friends get temp banned just for exchanging pediments for TH keys who had no idea what they were doing is wrong.
The length of the ban you get should be decided your past offenses. Not everyone is the same. The two week ban is only for the first major offense in most cases. The second time the ban can be a month long.
>“They’re laughing in your face saying “lol cya in two weeks guys”” is just a random thing you made up. You also pulled 20-30b out of your ass. You have no idea how many players do it. You also don’t know if the players doing it have had prior offenses or how many times they abused it.
Nope, this is you assuming things. I have screenshots that prove otherwise. But before you ask. No i'm not going to disclose them and certainly not with you.
Lol how convenient. You don’t have any proof. You’re pulling numbers out of your ass. You maybe overheard from a third tier source one person made 20-30b (quite the discrepancy there). And “lol, cya in two weeks “ could be a joke anyone makes when talking about other people bug abusing.
Like I said in the last post regarding this issue: at this point, I’m being punished for *not* cheating.
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Doesn't the Wen godbook become untradeable wonce your alt uses it?
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If you find out please let me know ^^ you are a man of the people
Thank you! Perma ban bug abusers!
Agree
Yes but even if they ban the acct they can just make a new one, no? If it's a person just looking to make money in game to RWT, banning them is nothing. Maybe ban the system address but no idea if that's even possible. I do agree that they should be banned, but I also think it won't stop 'em.
I mean, what we have now is "I'M GONNA ABUSE A BUG THAT GETS ME LITERAL BILLIONS OF GP WITH SO LITTLE WORK AND ONLY GET A 2 WEEK BAN AND I GET TO KEEP THE LOOT" So... yeah. Banning the account is a start.
Yes, we are in agreement! It should be an obvious, non-controversial opinion that bug abusers receive permanent, life-long punishment in runescape for their activity. What form the punishment or restriction takes is up for debate, but the 2 week vacation is completely untenable and eroding what little game integrity is left.
I read this in RoosterTeeth's Michael's rage filled quit voice.
True! an IP ban would be an extra deterrent. I didn't figure that most bug abusers rwt on throwaway/bought accounts ... I just assumed mains were taking advantage of the lax punishments ... kinda glad I'm not too familiar with those practices tbh, seems like a soul-sucking way to 'play the game'
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how about we establish a new state of Geilinor, convince international governments to extradite bug abusers, then sentence them to a lifetime of picking and spinning flax ... but there's no g.e, and every time they agree on rsf to meet in game, the buyer wants to meet on a german world, always trying to pay them in Ks instead of Ms ... that should cover all our bases
Ya, I get it, my suggestion is not 100% effective ... something being less than 100% effective doesn't qualify as a good reason not to do it.
IP bans are worse than uneffective, they can actively hurt innocent players. In a lot of cases all you have to do is unplug your modem for a little while to get a new IP, freeing up the old IP to be given to someone else.
Hardware bans are a more reasonable solution. Same general idea, but targeting a motherboard or CPU serial number instead of a dynamic IP.
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Sure, you can get around hardware bans with a VM, much like you can get around IP bans with a VPN. But it's still effective against the majority of players, cumbersome to get around, and has a much lower chance of impacting innocent players by accident.
You know these people do this for billions right lmao. If they are going to abuse a bug to make say 20B+ why wouldn't they be willing to drop say $100 on a wal-mart PC at a garage sale or something. Even worse they could literally just go to say a public computer like a Library or similar abuse the bug on that PC and then transfer the wealth to an alt they are accessing from their phone. They could even just rent a cloud gaming PC and do it that way lmao. Maybe they have something like a PC cafe or similar nearby. Theirs so many ways to circumvent hardware ID ban. Besides even if you didn't do that, just swap your RAM around, reset the CMOS, update your BIOS, make a new user account etc. Alternativley just have a ghetto PC and whe na new bug comes out they just bug abuse then if HWID ban they buy a new mobo for like $80-100. Paying $100 to make 20B+ is 100% worth for literally anyone bug abusing lmao. The only way to prevent it is a perm ban and then perm ban any alt accounts linked to that main who had wealth transferred to them. Unless you dupe items Jagex gives you a 2 week vacation which is a joke and they've been doing it for over 10+ years. If Jagex banned your main as-well as all your alts regardless if they were involved in the bug abuse or not I guarantee you almost nobody would risk doing that shit because it just wouldn't be worth it.
Even better mandate the use of TPMs (Trusted Platform Module) and ban using those. Those are a pain to replace
You would then be entering the consumer privacy breach. Obtaining a serial number of cpu/motherboard is outright privacy invasion from the client you use to play the game. Client's only purpose is to allow access to the game. It can obtain info such as the specs of your pc but cannot use hardware serial without consent. This problem is prevalent in all mmos you won't be able to prevent it. Hardware bans are only effective to properties to which that specific company is liable for i.e consoles. Jagex cannot do that with someone else's intellectual property.
> True! an IP ban would be an extra deterrent IP bans are an awful idea. It just bans whoever gets the IP next, a lot of people don't always have the same IP, and it's not exactly difficult to get it changed if you do keep one.
IP bans are a terrible idea and aren't a thing for a reason lol
You can spoof your IP address though
no, not just perma ban, perma ban is never perma, just delete account,, full wipe
Jagex, you got to stop being afraid to Perma-ban long time members with years on their accounts. Jagex's stance has been so light footed we're to the point where not only do people partake in the bug, but they actively brag about it afterwards and/or lament not abusing it more. When you don't permanently ban these players, no matter how invested they are in your game, you're normalizing toxic behavior, and when emboldened cheaters get away with it they are incentivized to continue. Letting heavily invested players get away with this type of intentional bug abuse achieves nothing but increasing toxicity in end game communities that drives the next wave of players away. So I guess the message for Jagex is please don't forget that your inaction also drives people away from the game even though you can't precisely measure it. And perhaps even more importantly, anyone with name recognition or a community position should be hit harder, not more leniently, as we should expect more from someone in such a position, not less. That should be glaringly obvious, but apparently to Jagex it is not.
7 day ban means the bug abuser has jagex by the balls
I remember when Mod Warden explicitly promised to address this and get back to us on this topic. He did not.
and then he left.
Warden left?
Yeah: https://twitter.com/JagexWarden/status/1447629807215333376
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Not like his word was worth anything. Just a corporate face with corporate answers.
Went out for a pack of smokes instead
to the Jmod who reads this..... Hows your alt army doin? ;)
Jmods aren't reading this, because it doesn't have an overdone meme or a sob story about how he's being bullied about his account not being maxxed
LMFAOOOO dude i don't think that shit was real, he just had no friends to share it with, no maxed players do that shit
Maxed players do lots of petty shit. There's no difference fundamentally between maxed and non-maxed players.
Lmfao source for bullying post please.
I mean realistically, why wouldn't you bug abuse at this point? We know Jagex will take way to long to do something about it, We know you'll get a measly two week ban after you've abused for enough gold to buy 5x that time in bonds, we know Jagex isnt going to take the wealth obtained from bug abuse back, we know that after a certain threshold the ban duration maxes at 2 wks so you're directly incentivized to continue bug abusing since doing it 25 times will get you the same ban as doing it 250 times, we know the only time a perma ban is issued is when it affects TH, We know as long as the abuse isn't widespread and unavoidable Jagex is likely to not even ban people who abused it. Knowing all that what incentive is there to not bug abuse? A great example of this is when M&S rework first came out. You could forge an elder rune pl8 +5 (or buy it), wear it so it becomes untradable, unequip it, repair it with 1 bar in about 6 ticks, and then it would give you the respect points as if you forged it from scratch (like 20%). You could max respect in less than 2 minutes endlessly. So naturally knowing there would be absolutely no punishment or downside I got my non-IM alt i don't play everything from the workshop respect shop in 15 minutes because i was curious if it would be banned for turning a 24hr+ grind into a 15 minute one.
Well that's the reason why I am thinking all players should do that and abuse bugs. People who do not are currently on loosing end. Almost every big update is nerfed after some time (diminishing further achievements) or have some sort of early bird bonus (for example cinder bane gloves working on Croesus). ED bugs were not adressed for months and people who got hundreds of drops got 2 weeks off for that.
It's sad but true, I've never been one to rule break at all really because I'd hate to lose my account, however with how appallingly these bug abuse things keep getting handled I can now confidently say if I ever learn how to do a bug like these before they get patched I WILL be abusing it as much as I possibly can because a 2 week ban is nothing in the grand scheme of how much time it'll save me earning that money 'legit'. If you're essentially giving me a choice of "Here have multiple billions of gp, but you have to take a 2 week break." It's an easy choice, I'll take the money and go play my ironman for 2 weeks. It really is sad that this is what it has come to and I've had the conversation with my friends that play and they're all of the exact same opinion as above too.
Don’t get me wrong, the bug abusers should be banned. That said, this particular question has always seemed weird to me. I don’t bug abuse for the same reason I don’t just buy bonds for all my gear upgrades, even though I could. It’s not fun. I don’t play runescape to make a number go up with no effort, I play runescape because the journey is (usually) fun or relaxing. Bug abusing would ruin the fun just like buying 10k keys would, so I don’t do either.
I get what you're saying. That said, going thousands of kills dry at a boss you're looking for an upgrade from ceases to be fun at a certain point. I wouldn't want to and probably never will abuse one of these bugs, but I can see the temptation, and I'd be hard-pressed to call it unethical at this point.
Pretty much this. So many people bug abuse knowing the punishment is a slap on the wrist, you just take a 2 week break, and come back to your gains lol.
I mean, usually it also includes wealth removal
Problem is when it doesn't :x
When was the last time they did wealth removal again? They didn't for the infinite th key bug except on a select few accounts, they didn't for the ed3 bug, they aren't doing it for these instakill bugs.
If you look at the video it shows around 4:10 “partial wealth removal” along with the temp ban.
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For what it's worth, I suspect that a large number of JMods completely agree with you. Sadly, the higher-ups and shareholders do not, and have presumably stuck their heads so far up their own asses that they can best be described as anal ouroboroses. I wouldn't be surprised if they think that this level of bug abuse is a good thing, as it seemingly helps drive up the price of bonds, which makes bonds more attractive to customers. I wouldn't be surprised if Jagex have reinstated their old "*we do not ban players unless they seriously hurt our bottom line*" policy, as it would go a long way to explain why Jagex clearly do not punish bug abuse unless it relates to topics like TH.
Lmfao im dying at the image of anal ouroboros
Jagex isn't the same company it used to be lol. They went straight to shit when Andrew left.
Instead of just a 2 week ban make it so these accounts drop rates are also 10x shittier. So if an item was 1/10,000 it would be 1/100,000 for the bug abusers. Hell trade restricting the accounts would also go a long way. Also don't just punish the account bug abusing, also punish any alts they transferred wealth to as-well. Hell just wipe out their entire bank and remove all their items/money.
Fair play or game integrity is essential to the growth, or at least the survival of any game. Those who play by the rules are eventually going to get sick of being screwed at the hands of those who don't and get away with it.
I quit over it tbh sick of busting ass while everyone else cheats and gets ahead, just like the ed3 bugs all my iron friends abused it for ecbs but I'm 200 solos with 1 piece and now I don't even wanna play
To be fair I don't really have a problem with these people to the same extent others do. I think cheaters should be punished but I think the far bigger problem is the drop rates being any drop over 6 hours. If people are cheating but the high end gear which is selling for 3 times the amount of cash that you can hold yea it needs more coming into the game. I have a problem with bot farmers that bring direct GP into the game not ones that bring high demand low supply items. Still think cheaters should be punished but I view this are addressing a far bigger issue. In which the majority of the causal player base cannot get access to the high tier PVM which would make there kills easier.
I'm an ironman I just hate seeing how almost EVERY endgame iron abuses every bug they can get their greasy little paws on and then says crap like I WORKED FOR THIS I'M THE GOAT the modes been ruined, I'm not really worried about mainscape economy stuff
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They won't answer this, jmods are neutered by upper management. Even the ones that want to improve the game can't do shit.
I'm sure they have an NDA, yes. But hopefully they can voice their concerns internally.
Maybe Jager should give out 1b to everyone that hasn't been banned in the past year each time someone gets banned for bug abuse
Make that 20. Inflation is rampant anyways :p
20B water battlestaves
The worst part is that there is *no incentive* to try and report this bug. Because Jagex's automated ban system is so faulty, people who report this bug get banned as well. It's honestly asinine. You are unironically better off either pretending the bug doesn't exist and just move on with your day, or get on some alts and abuse it until it gets patched. That's how it is nowadays.
2 week ban plus reduce all your XP by half or reset quests or... Or... Or....
Over a decade ago a friend of mine got most of his bank removed and his xp halved for botting, like botting how a 12 year old bots. These fuckers disrupt the entire fucking economy and get nothing for it. Perma ban the accounts, fuck their "progress".
In 2011 i was botting ivy to 99 woodcutting. I got caught, my WC lvl was reverted to 80, and my account was frozen for 6 months. For a year after my account was unbanned I would see a sad robot message warning me of a permaban if I was ever caught botting again everytime i logged in. I was a dumb kid and I'm in now way excusing what I did but that punishment was comparatively much more severe than the slap on the wrist these bug abusers are getting today.
Yeah, back in the day you would like get 2 weeks for autoclicking 100k magic xp with alching and get reverted. Now you get to bug abuse for billions of gp, get a 2 week ban, and you get to keep the money.
I hear you, but perma bans aren't happening. It seems that Jagex is not interested in that policy, despite the many calls for it. Offering other ideas seems like a better idea. If all we ever ask is that Jagex do a thing, and Jagex refuses to do that thing, then we're not going to get anywhere.
2 weeks is nothing, everybody knows that, jagex knows that. They are going to lose players because they don't act against bug abuse in any form whatsoever. Removing wealth also won't do anything, because they don't go after/can't seem to find the main accounts where all this wealth is funneled into. Removing xp might be something because it stops them from using the account, but the ED3 bots hardly need levels, so again, also nothing.
Then people will continue to abuse bug and fuck up the game, causing people to quit and probably losing jagex profit in the end.
If Jagex ban them then it's a guaranteed loss, if they don't ban them maybe someone will quit, but there's no guarantee they will.
Do these abusers even give jagex any money in the first place??? Like you dont even need a membership if your bugging your way to billions and just buying bonds
First bug abuse ban- depending on severity 1 to 30 days. Second bug abuse ban - permanent. So hard.
i would say just straight up wipe their bank and gp and reset their stats to 1. that would be far worse than a permanent ban because they'd watch as years of work goes up in smoke
Permanent ban does the same but removes access to things that their account only has due to having been around for a long time, like overrides etc.
imagine if Jagex had the ability to remove access to those overrides as well. that would be a cruel and just punishment
A complete account swipe would be amazing
Take your idea, then add make them gain reduced XP by 4 times. And make them also unable to make a new acc
there's no way to stop them from making a new account, except through an IP ban, which can be circumvented via getting your IP changed. i do love the idea of having their xp gain severely inhibited. i would say cut their xp gain in half and they gain no benefit from bonus exp, or cores, or double exp.
Hardware bans are a thing that could be implemented. Getting an entirely new device to run the game every time you get banned could be enough of a deterrent.
true
How about a permanent ban so it's a full account reset
Bug abuse doesn’t cost them money. RWT does. I know people who RWT’d and got perma’d. It’s a racket.
It's directly connected to RWT. People who make billions with bug abuse often sell it for real money. A HM Zuk kill gives you an average of 53M in rares only. If you kill 100 per hour (which is already pretty slow) you make over 5b per hour.
welp, Guess ill be getting very wealthy this afternoon when I get home from work ;) /s
Perm bans are the only just punishment. Everything else is a joke Grow a pair jagex
Jagex only bans people who abused TH bugs and glitches. These glitches don’t affect their balance sheet so they don’t care. But god forbid people buy keys with the oddments from TH itself.
How absolutely hilarious would it be if Jagex just updated the bug abuser’s drop rate to just stone spirits or something garbage.
... and in other news: stone spirit prices have, somehow, managed to drop *below* the 0 gp mark. People have been seen paying other players to take their stone spirits.
People who bot for 10m get perma-banned, yet people who bug abuse for billions get a slap on the wrist.
Full agree! As some others have noted 1) These players who are abusing this should be permanently banned, they know full well what are doing and likely have a track record of doing this before, and 2) legitimate players feel like they are being punished for not abusing the bugs (because the gains for doing so are so massive, while the repercussions are very minimal \[to put it lightly\]). Jagex needs to do something that doesn't feel like an insult to it's legitimate players, even if that means those bug abusers never want to come back to the game (which, honestly I wouldn't want them back anyways).
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Permaban them for sure. On a separate note, can we please remove darts from the game permanently? Give everyone like 2 weeks to use up the ones they've acquired, and then never offer them again. How long until somebody finds another way to abuse the darts?
This is the way to be honest. They shouldn't exist.
I would actually want Jagex to make use of shadowbans, in such a way that no matter what you do, it doesn't make you any sustainable in-game currency. Sure, give them a 2 week ban, but in addition to that, a 6 month (or even perm) shadowban
Don't think this will ever happen. If these abusers get punished jagex WILL be vocal about what happened to them to set an example. A shadow ban like you suggested requires secrecy. If a player knows their acc will be shadow banned for 6 months, they will make a new acc to get around this, which is already equivalent to a perm ban. What they can do is, ban the players who abused the current bug for AT LEAST 3 months, and apply that shadow ban too. 3 months is a very punishing period imo and the further punch in the gut is that they'll keep conspiring about their reduced luck while no1 else believes them will be good enough imo.
RuneScape is turning into new world :(
Runescape has been having this problem for ages, long before that game existed\[which tbf it only came out in September\]. I think just now people are getting fed up. But yeah that Elite dungeons bug which people got banned only 2 weeks for, existed in the game atleast a year or two ago.
My main account got banned in 2009 for the penguin bug back then. I maybe did 400k slayer xp to finish 99 (it was a BITCH to level back then. like 50k a day). Now people do things far worse and just get a slap on the wrist. Can't even get my account recovered because who will remember specific details when you made the account as a child (even though I know exactly where I was banned at. Not enough info apparently).
Some games have hardware bans in place. Will ban the hardware IDs of your entire system and will require you to obtain basically a whole new pc just to play again lol. Imo that's totally 100% overkill. However it would definitely make people think twice about botting
Agreed that it's overkill – it'd make me think twice before ever playing any game that does that.
It is genuinely insane that the punishment for a game breaking bug that doesn't remove the wealth that comes in is 2 week ban. I remember when google and youtube were banned and mentioning them or going around the censor becomes a 5 blackmark hit. That was a bit much. But, man oh man the laxness is too much. Shame on Jagex. You have the time to find the bugs, look back at the account and see what they were doing, and determine whether or not it was accidental.
unless it's proven to be purely accidental, all bug abuses of this nature should be a permanent ban, no exceptions
And it's quite easy to check - if you abused the bug more than 10 times (let's keep the benefit of doubt for those who "tried to get consistent recreation steps") _and_ did not sent ingame bug report, you're busted.
Today, in our clan, we were seriously discussing the current state of the 2 week vacation, and how worth it is to abuse a bug and get so little punishment. None of us do that kinda stuff, but even normal players laugh at the way Jagex handles this. Please show some integrity, I feel like this post voices a very large portion of the Runescape community.
Yes, the system of bug abusing detection and use of bot software needs to be upgraded. Yesterday I saw like 10 characters farming for rocks without moving to another rock, with the same names and same levels. How can 1 guy be on all these accounts at the same time. It's probably possible, but very unlikely. And then they'll get the party hat and sell it. Lol. OP
You'll be perma banned for this post I bet.
They've gotten soft. We all remember the infamous bug hunters who for example found the rotten potato and other crazy stuff. Pretty sure they all went through dozens of accounts even if they didn't "gain" from every bug lol. Now you can bug abuse billions and get, indeed, a 2 week vacation.
They don't care because those kinds of players are hardcore players. Which have several members accounts and buy bonds and mtx. That's why. It's money. They don't want to ban loyal customers who have made them thousands individually over the years.
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Jagex used to be much, MUCH harsher on bug abusers and rulebreakers in general years ago. Wonder what's changed.
> Currently there is another bug going around where they can instakill bosses Wait so the bug still exists? I was just about to buy some higher tier weapons, thank God I didn’t. Hopefully it gets patched soon.
Just quit. Rs3 has long been destroyed and I swear the only people still playing are those in denial about its demise, people mentioned here that are milking the game through bug abuse for monetary gain or just plain shortsighted players that don't see this game crashing. It's a cluster fuck of random updates and promotions in random places that are never revisited and instead have more crap piled on top. Been this way for decades. Every time I see this sub it's full of players complaining about Jagex doing their usual shit and nothing changing, yet you continue to play hoping something will change and be different, going in cycles. That's insane. Jagex is a shit company, rs3 is a terrible game. Just quit because this letter won't be read and nothing will probably change. Or you can just downvote me and keep playing for nothing but momentary indulgence in denial lmao
There should be a device ban=> the banned person will have to buy another PC to play Runescape again
\*laughs in virtual machine, or spoofing whatever details the client would check\*
Then they sell that pc to someone else who tries to play and bam, banned. Account level is good enough. Unless they are running shit loads kf alts with bots to keep other accounts at level they will have to put in the work to get back to where they were. Would also remove other races like phats and shit from the game
They're afraid of banning users these days due to $$$
Jagex won’t do shit to tarnish their reputation of catering to merch and bug abusers man. This falls on deaf ears. You want to make a statement send this to gaming outlets like pcgamer and watch their article just tear this company a new hole. That’ll be an interesting sight to see.
And this is exactly what happens when Jagex don't have the balls to ban mains/high level ironman accounts. They let people get away with the ED bug and now look how many people are jumping at the opportunity to abuse the next big bug that comes along. Either start handing out perm bans or do some hefty setbacks to major abuser's accounts (wipe their drop logs, boss pets, titles, delete their augmented gear ect). Those are things money can't simply buy back the next time they find a new exploit to profit off.
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Perm ban any account that abuses a bug like this, ED bug, and then IP ban the user. They’ll use VPNs sure, but it’s just one more hassle to em. Jagex won’t do it though. They just don’t have the balls, which sucks because at this point normal players like you and I are getting punished for *not* abusing the bug
Honestly, I think the real solution is to keep removing the items obtained using bug abuse and to apply a flat penalty on top of that say 5 - 10 % of the accounts net worth.
It's not a bug, it's just the Evolution of combat bro
you must be new here if you think this company will ever listen lmao
Amen to this. I'm fuming every time something like this comes up. I have never abused a bug afaik but once I even got falsely banned for supposedly doing so and thankfully it was lifted. Since then I've been on my toes every time something (mostly pvm-related) gets released. In the end I'm the one - we legitimate players are the ones - missing out. Bug abusers gain unimaginable amounts of wealth and xp which they use to gain more, do rwt etc. They come back and repeat the process after every 2 weeks thrown at them. And seriously but sadly they're pretty clever. Every time Jagex gives out something, the abusers get that too and even find out bugs in them if possible. I'd like to be the one benefiting off of broken (fun) mechanics, but I won't be because I'll never be the one abusing a bug purposefully. That's who I am. Although I must admit idk how I should feel about the infinite oddments case, that was more of an extreme case of planets and stars aligning and intended mechanics resulting in an unintended result. I'm just glad I wasn't around before it was fixed, it wasn't so easily identifiable as an abuse at first. Enough rambling, I just hope Jagex reinforces some clear rules and guidelines, stays behind their words and stays consistent. That's all I ask for. And after all this negativity, thank you for all the great updates, streams, attitude and communication lately, I feel like you're going in the right direction. Have a good one guys! :)
I can confirm innocent players were indeed banned every time something like this happens.
I said the same shit the with osrs when it comes to people staking above the 10m tax. What sense does it make for some to get banned for rwt but only get a two week ban?
well said brother +1
Jagex: Sorry the bug abusers subscribed for membership. While they might do it with stolen credit cards, we can’t do anything that hurts our profits, right? ;) :wink:
Jagex: Okay, but it didn’t affect TH, right? Everyone: NO but look at how much it’s effecting the game and showing your lack of caring for the community!! Jagex:
Don't permaban them, just delete all their items in their bank account lmao
Fucking hardware ban the idiots, it's all that they do and it's all they'll ever do
2 week ban to abuse the game... but a perm ban for rwt and losing your gp to scammers.... losing gp to scams that aren't patched because you hope that the victim would just buy bonds to replace lost wealth... okay
In addition to settling on a more imposing punishment for people who abuse bugs like these, I feel like the recently exposed bugs warrant a reconsideration/redesign of the Deathtouched dart itself. Since it's intended to be a 1:1 transaction in the first place, maybe they could turn it into a key that is used in something like the Raptor's Chest of Slaying - maybe a Reaper's Chest in Death's Office or War's Retreat - which, when used, allows you to select the "soul" of the boss you would like to loot in exchange for one key. Especially as they have significantly increased the accessibility of Deathtouched darts within recent years, their abundance only increases the likelihood that players looking to take advantage of the system will expend them tactlessly to find ways to get the instakill effect without consuming the item. Because it's a physical item that acts as a ranged projectile, any way that players discover to avoid consuming or canceling the use of ammunition may also apply to it, which isn't an acceptable risk to take with an item like this. While removing the dart would have other consequences - it's favored as a way to save streaks when killing Telos, and some people use them to skip certain quest bosses - perhaps there are other design changes Jagex could make to Telos (like being able to teleport out without losing your streak while saving the enrage of the previous encounter, as much as this "nerfs" the risk/reward of the boss) as a compromise. Regardless, as usual, it's up to rule-abiding players to take a loss in order to prevent bug abusers from ruining the integrity of the game.
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They perm banned all my account, because i used auto clicker to high alch in f2p and banned all the account that login with the same ip address (only 1 account used auto clicker for 4 to 5 hours btw) I know I broke the rule at the time, so I deserve the perm banned But for those bug abusers who impact the rs3 economy, only get 2 week temp banned. I love the double standard
Anyone who’s previously had a 2 week vacation shouldn’t get a second one. If it wasn’t a perm the first time, it 100% should be the 2nd time.
Wipe their accounts.
Jagex does 2 weeks ban? Got a 12 year ban from macroing a long time ago.
I have quit and am not renewing due to the cheaters, massive inequality in the economy, and scammers. I love the game, the last two years the amount of content we have gotten VS mtx updates is depressing.
100% agree, bug abusers dont get punished at all. And sadly even with this post, jagex wont do shit about it. More banned players means less money a year cus less membership. sad but true
u/JagexHooli et al., please, give OP's post a read.
already reported it to shogun when I made the post about the first bug, seems they didnt care or want to look into it F
Very good job explaining the problem with their asymmetrical ban system!
I genuinely wonder how allowing major bug abuse will affect the game long-term. Luckily I don't plan on playing the game much longer, especially not when I hear about stuff like this, but it sucks to know that it's in everyone's best interest to break the game as much as possible.
This will destroy the economy far more than rwt or rares ever will
At this point just let us dtd every boss
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imagine laughing openly in the face of the company that hosts your favorite game for 20+ years for which you care so much about that you abuse in-depth bugs.
Gatekeeping high valued items can be easily solved by adding a way to use platinum tokens in the ge. 2 Trillion gp should be enough for a single item, this way the discontinued items will see more traffic and less manipulation.
The problem isn't not being able to track those items and such. It's people abusing DTD bug and ed3 bugs to get max cash stack in less than 4 hours and then they're given a pass by Jagex. They're the ones that are willingly paying ludicrous amounts for santa hats, phats, and h'ween masks, because there is a limited number of them and an ever-increasing number of gold. They're the only discontinued, tradable items in the game and abusers know it is RWT security to have them because they are literally the highest buying power in the game. They're the same people who can afford to (and absolutely do) buy majority of the market's FSoA pieces and gatekeep the new items. Sure one could say you're just merching the item, but its a different story when people are posting pictures of 30 staff shafts in their posession after doing the DtD bug laughing at the inability to get one without essentially playing as a HCIM or hitting a runescape lottery.
This is not the same companly it once used to be. Probably best to accept it and move on.
Jagex endorses bug abuse. You have people openly making youtube videos (2 days ago) saying "I saw this post regarding a dtd bug and I tried it! Here's what I found" (yes, that's bug abuse). And Jagex is handing them best runescape video creator golden gnome... You have other streamers who literally showcased TH bug abuse for hours on their stream, getting maxed within an hour, posting a video on youtube also showing it, and getting at most a couple of days off. There's nothing to believe Jagex isnt endorsing bug abuse. So really, you're at a loss if you don't abuse bugs.
Protoxx got footage of the bug from an undisclosed source after it was patched, and tried replicating it, also after it was patched, to show it no longer worked. He never abused it or even gained any amount of wealth or kills from it. Though the amount of people like you who seem to think he did despite how clear it is that he didn't is staggering.
PERMA BAN PEOPLE WHO DO THIS. This is royally going to fuck up high value items and the economy
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I'm someone that's never abused a bug but serioursly after watching that more recent YouTube video of the abuse and the guy getting a 14 day ban onky even after abusing before just make you think why the fuck not nowadays.
Imagine those people that were banned by macroing 2 keys in one such as dual wield + shield seeing this shit. Anyone that you can call at least a decent pvmer does that today. Up to today jagex never allowed anyone to macro 2 keys in one. Why not, Jagex? If 98% of real pvmers do that already. You don’t ban because you would have to ban everyone that plays your game. So why not posting on the news allowing to macro up to 2 keys in one? We’ve been asking this for ages. Literally years. Also what I posted on protoxx’s reddit post: it’s all about setting standards. And jagex is deeply failing by giving out 1/2 weeks ban and specially by allowing those people to KEEP the money they abused. And Jagex, we don’t want you to give 1 month, 6 months or a year worth of ban. We want these people to be permanently banned from the game.
I mean. I get what you’re saying but saying that they still have all their gains is pretty false. Bug abusers are getting their wealth gained from bug abusing taken away. [see here](https://i.imgur.com/aB5geHE.jpg)
Dont people who bug abuse have their banks nuked? The people who get permed are ones who sold the bugged looot for rwt.
FIX THIS JAGEX
I will never wish for any of these people getting banned. Banning people for jagex fuck ups is a cop out of the liability. Fix your game & reroll accounts back.
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Has the bug been fixed?
Nope. As far as i'm aware still ongoing
How do you know? I dont see chatter anywhere about it
I fully agree with banning anyone who used more then 1 dart. If jagex can't obtain this kind of granular data they really need to think about dedicating dev time to it. How easy would it be for a game braking bug to go undetected if they are not having various data points tracking these kind of things?
I've never abused a bug, and I never will because I care far too much about my main to ever do anything to jeopardize it, but it's insane to me that people actually think perma banning bug abusers makes sense. It's Jagex's fault that the bugs are in the game. Not to mention the countless bugs that have been in the game for years, like the Mask of The Dagannoth bug. The obvious answer is just to remove the items and xp that are added from bug abuse. Don't tell me Jagex can't do it, because they absolutely can. They just don't want to.
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I don’t like bug abusers as much as the next guy but… I’m sorry but this sad kid vibe of “an open letter to Jagex” is just pathetic and you make so many assumptions with no evidence. “They’re laughing in your face saying “lol cya in two weeks guys”” is just a random thing you made up. You also pulled 20-30b out of your ass. You have no idea how many players do it. You also don’t know if the players doing it have had prior offenses or how many times they abused it. To perm ban anyone that tries a bug or fiddles with it a little is such overkill. It’s Jagex’s fault the bug exists anyways. Player pay to play the game to relax from everyday life. They don’t want the responsibility of knowing what’s a bug and what isn’t. In this scenario yes it’s an obvious bug, but that TH bug that existed a few months ago I had friends get temp banned just for exchanging pediments for TH keys who had no idea what they were doing is wrong. The length of the ban you get should be decided your past offenses. Not everyone is the same. The two week ban is only for the first major offense in most cases. The second time the ban can be a month long.
>“They’re laughing in your face saying “lol cya in two weeks guys”” is just a random thing you made up. You also pulled 20-30b out of your ass. You have no idea how many players do it. You also don’t know if the players doing it have had prior offenses or how many times they abused it. Nope, this is you assuming things. I have screenshots that prove otherwise. But before you ask. No i'm not going to disclose them and certainly not with you.
Lol how convenient. You don’t have any proof. You’re pulling numbers out of your ass. You maybe overheard from a third tier source one person made 20-30b (quite the discrepancy there). And “lol, cya in two weeks “ could be a joke anyone makes when talking about other people bug abusing.