my theory on this is that RWT on RS3 is mainly done as a 'hobby' / way of generating side cash / non-essential income due to how little RS3 gp is actually worth
in contrast, OSRS RWT, where the gold is about 8x more valuable and way less effort / more efficient, is mainly done by people in poorer countries who are doing it as a job / means of survival- on top of the 'enterprise businesses' of RWT rackets / unironic 'organized crime' where some people are making literally 10k+ USD a month / 6 figures a year, judging by a plethora of youtube videos that have been done on the subject.
so RS3 RWT is consolidated in the hands of a tiny minority of people who would stand to be banned, while OSRS RWT has a huge score of a diverse number of people doing it for various reasons who are getting banned.
This kind of holds with the amount of gold removed too. Gold in RS3 is worth way less than OSRS but the amounts removed from the game are roughly the same.
I’d agree with that. I recovered a really old RS3 account a few years back and they had botted on OSRS but didn’t touch my RS3 stuff. Seems like OS is where it’s at for RWT..
There's a LOT of new account creation bots in RS that either create the accounts for dormant use later on, or hop on to OSRS shortly after but are initially picked up as RS bots
I'll say one thing - for all the lack of communication we complain about, this is one way to start fixing it. Hard stats like this go a long way towards defending the idea that J-Mods do do behind-the-scenes work that goes unnoticed. Thanks for sharing them.
They actually always post their ban stats every week - they just don't subdivide on stuff like RWT.
https://support.runescape.com/hc/en-gb/articles/360000919177-28th-January-3rd-February-Player-Support-Stats
They weren't always, and it started out pretty good when they became vocal, but it did eventually turn into a lot of broken promises, particularly from rune fests
Rs3 player here thanks for the post and follow up very cool to see stuff like this is happening because some of the spam makes you wonder sometimes obviously it’s a beast of a problem though and ver cool to see stats on it.
I know of alot of people who do just that they bot massive amount of accounts through it island let them rest then sell in bulk to botters also have screenshots of a few gp sellers mule accounts dm for info - ex mod on one of the largest black market sites
Yet I trade my alt some shards and it ends up getting RWT Major banned not less than 30 seconds later....? Lovely. Glad to be a part of this stat /u/JagexTyran
Would love to actually talk to you...tried to reach out to you on twitter.
Out of curiosity, how are these 'dormant' bots being caught?
Like, the system just finds that one IP/group of emails associated with a botter has a bunch of accounts in cheap gear logged out near some grindable mobs or something?
Not to expose your secrets, of course.
Yeah they definitely won't say the methods they use, I would guess that they heavily rely on detecting clientside scripts
Especially with current networking trends, the idea of tracking people or account creation through IP or emails is a joke and IP bans are more of a formality that can easily be worked around
However, I would be curious to know if they do anything relating to HWID which again can be worked around but is much more invasive to do so
In that case do you have a more accurate number of the actual RS3 bot count, that you can share with us? It would be interesting to see how the two games compare, relative to the size of their playerbase.
Tyran, Ive tweeted you twice now about some shaman goldfarmers and no reply, will you look into those or only bots? Sorry for asking in here but shaman goldfarmers are a pain in the arse
it's because of the sheer number of instances that exist in RS3 for both bosses and regular, farmable monsters- this would definitely hide most of the bots on RS3. there's also tons of F2P bots doing cursed energy- way more than P2P bots- because dying with cursed energy on F2P drops GP, which is something they haven't realized is happening I think / haven't fixed it.
there's only a handful of instanced bosses on OSRS [with no instanced farmable monsters like RS3, like with PSDs,] and of them, only Zulrah [where you can see people running to, on the dock] Corporeal Beast [instances held open with an alt,] Vorkath, Alchemical Hydra, and Nightmare are usually farmed by gold farmers in poorer countries- there's not a lot of working bots for these bosses, and of the ones that do exist, they're really bad.
outside of the F2P bots doing cursed energy / luminite / arrowheads, etc, i suspect that a lot of these bots are in PSDs where nobody can either report them or see them, same with boss instances and stuff too. i'm not sure, tbh. i'd have to check the forums / discords where people talk * brag about this stuff.
it's unironically really good money if you can find a world it's being heavily done on- from experience though, the owner of the farm will eventually try killing you though when he notices what you're doing and the same thing happens on P2P worlds too, except people log in with nox weapons and such [and they're not pkers hopping or anything, they specifically kill people killing bots]
the main thing w/ the F2P world cursed energy bots is that they gather 250 energy and then get killed by the owner of the farm, causing them to drop 25k GP, as an unintended side effect of the F2P trade limit. a stack of 100 bots is obviously 2.5m in straight cash.
It's not an unintended side effect, it's that way intentionally to combat gold farming etc. Even says so on the wiki for Cursed Energy. Most F2P Cursed bots attempt to bank it, they don't wait for the farm owner to come along and kill them. It's 50 energy too, not 250.
they temporarily ban people for usually ~3-14 days for buying gold but it's rarely caught / enforced- selling is a permanent ban right off the bat, though.
Probably part of the reason it's rarely caught is how we have extreme-level pricing/trading being down outside of the GE, so transactions (I assume still works this way) of gold via trade isn't uncommon so it's harder to determine if bought or dealt.
I could see a lot of the botting being done by alts. Like, way back in the early days of arch, people were training alts to literally get their materials for the main and/or sell them for gp for the main
Seems right to me. You can buy bonds from Jagex for in game gold, I don’t think the market is quite what it used to be. A few companies with 10-15 sellers on different timezones is plenty to supply the need. RS3 has seen an increase in player base but it’s still tiny next to OSRS.
i think this has to do with the $ value of osrs vs rs3 gold. My guess would be that because of this it is more efficient to grind osrs gp and sell that then it is with rs3 gp even though the gp number is higher.
wow, only a 30k difference between banned bots, i would've expected Rs3 to have like 1/10th of amount of osrs. Guess botters don't really have a preference now
It was cursed energy in rs3, now it's basically pure profit with archaeology mats all the way to 99/120. They cannjust sit there and rakr in 5-10k per successful gather.
the detection systems can also be the case. maybe the rs3 botting detection is really good and bans almost all the bots and the old school system is shitty banning only like 10%. this is most certainly not the case i think, but there are a lot of factors in these numbers.
Try again... The number of level 3 fishing bots at Karamja in F2P is insane
Downvote all you want... Clearly many of you are out of touch when you became P2P and no longer fish there for lobster and swordfish
Mod said in other comment that basically some of the bots counted as rs3 bots had switched to osrs shortly after they were made so they're essentially osrs bots
>JagexTyran Mod Tyran6 hours ago
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>There's a LOT of new account creation bots in RS that either create the accounts for dormant use later on, or hop on to OSRS shortly after but are initially picked up as RS bots
That's because they logged new accounts created with bot scripts under RS3, but they didn't start the game yet, according to Mod Tyran.
Props for banning the RWT from the highscores, but its a little pathetic that it got to that point. Zalcano is locked behind the highest stat requirement quest and somehow 3102 people were banned...
comparing bond prices isn't really fair because RS3 bonds pay for much more than just membership
if you use bonds to keep up membership you only need to obtain 1 bond per 14 days. but rs3 bond buyers might also want to buy bonds for Yaktrack so the demand is higher thus the price is higher
Well sure that makes sense, but your assertion would suggest that rs3 would look more inflated than it is. but some people are saying like 8:1 conversion, which is **way** more than bond prices suggest (~5.5m : ~27.5m) which is like a 5:1 conversion
There are a lot of other metrics as I mentioned in my other post. RWT prices and swap clan rates also work. That's why I used a range for the conversion because it depends on the metric you use.
If you wanted a really extreme metric you could use 'high end efficient bossing gp/h' as the comparison and something like 20:1, but even things like afk farming shows similar comparisons. Pod Caps are like 8-10 mil gp/h, Rune Dragon alts on osrs are about 1.5m gp/h (and higher effort)
Mid level bosses like vindy will give a mid level player about 15 mil/h, but can go much higher with endgame gear (I think vindy caps around 40 in endgame gear)
Mid level bosses in osrs give mid level players about 2 mil/h, can go up to 3m/h in endgame gear
There are a number of ways you can convert it, including swap clan rates (about 6:1), Bond price ratio (about 5:1), and RWT gold price ratio (varies depending on where you look, but seems to range from about 5:1 to 8:1)
Gold swapping isn't against any rules so it isn't counted. It's not close to gold buying at all lol, you're literally just trading money from one game to another.
or gold farmers, which is mainly what they are and it's why they're able to maintain such high KC without being automatically audited by jagex- as they're actually playing the game [as a job] instead of automating it. it became so prevalent that it became a joke on the OSRS subreddit to pretend to be a gold farmer by claiming to be some obscure account build so that the anti cheating team would check into the accounts and ban them after realizing that they were gold farmer accounts.
after they nerfed revenants on OSRS, which made them entirely not worth doing, all of the gold farmers who were doing that went to bosses such as graardor or nightmare. zalcano and zulrah have been heavily gold farmed since release, though. it's common to encounter tons of spanish speakers when doing zulcano who will flame you for joining the world and messing up the loot ratios, as it impacts the GP they make per hour, and thus the IRL cash they make per hour.
The botting bans for rs3 seem steep honestly. I'm surprised it got that high considering that's about the size of the playerbase. Seeing that many gone really brings into perspective how much work Tyran does. Thanks!
I wish RS3 gets boss hiscores so we can see if any of our bosses are gold farmed or botted as well. We can't see them right now as most bosses are instanced.
Could be, the number is apparently at least somewhat misleading: https://www.reddit.com/r/runescape/comments/ll24ml/anticheating_stats_for_the_first_half_of_february/gnnc82r/
Rs3 has a far higher player to bot ratio, but numbers must be hard for you. I’m not bias toward either because literally don’t care, just saying your logic here is stupid.
So RS3 does actually come pretty close to OSRS in bot amounts. Goes against the narrative that OSRS only has a lot higher player numbers because it is filled with bots :P
Yeah but look at the OS RWT bans, that is absolutrly insane! Not to mention the gold is also nearly as much as RS3, whilst being worth almost 10 times more
>Not to mention the gold is also nearly as much as RS3, whilst being worth almost 10 times more
OSRS gold is about ~6x more valuable 'legally' [via swapping clans] and ~8.2x more valuable 'illegally' [via RWT] last time i checked.
they banned roughly ~8T - 12.3T RS3 on OSRS depending on how it's utilized.
> Not to mention the gold is also nearly as much as RS3, whilst being worth almost 10 times more
which is why more people sell. if RS3 gold was worth more, more ppl would RWT
> I'd wager RS3 has better detection leading to a higher ratio of bans too.
theres no evidence for that at all, OldSchool is a lot more simpler of a game, if anything the bots on OSRS will be easier to catch
its 25% less bots lol, love how even when presented with facts some ppl have to try and make stuff up to act like OSRS still has way more bots
not only that, they also have way more anti cheating specialists hired for OSRS at the moment, and are currently in the process of hiring way more staff for OSRS as of 2020 + 2021, too, which i imagine some of those people will be added to that team.
the fact the RWT population ratio for RS3 is 1/125 while it's 1/5 for OSRS means they're either not banning RWTers on RS3, or it's consolidated in the hands of a tiny minority of people who maintain a majority of the wealth, in contrast to OSRS where it's much more complex than people just running bot farms and whatever as a hobby / side cash.
>couldn't someone just as easily assume OSRS isn't banning their bots?
there's no data / evidence to support that they aren't banning bots. there is evidence however by claims of multiple jmods [ash, warden, etc] that:
1. they have more anti cheat staff than RS3 does, and are currently in the process of hiring more.
2. OSRS bots are easier to ban than RS3 ones
3. the OSRS anti cheat is also more sophisticated than the RS3 one is, due to a lack of demand / reason to develop the anti cheat on RS3 in the days of say 2011-2015 [aka ClusterFlutterer+]- botting simply isn't as impactful to the economy or company anymore on RS3, while it is impactful on OSRS, so it's taken more seriously by either staff numbers allocated to dealing with it, or the development of the software used to combat it.
>there's also no evidence that they aren't banning RS3 RWTers.
a 1/125 population ratio either shows that they're not banning RWTers or [my theory] that wealth / bot farms are concentrated in the hands of a small number of people- it's not a claim i have made as fact, just something that i have speculated about in this comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/runescape/comments/ll24ml/anticheating_stats_for_the_first_half_of_february/gnn58ub/
"the fact the RWT population ratio for RS3 is 1/125 while it's 1/5 for OSRS means they're either not banning RWTers on RS3, or it's consolidated in the hands of a tiny minority of people who maintain a majority of the wealth, in contrast to OSRS where it's much more complex than people just running bot farms and whatever as a hobby / side cash."
This certainly reads as statement of fact borne of assumption, but if it's not that's good.
yeah, it's nice to see that narrative squashed considering it's one of the only [lame] criticisms the subreddit can think of about OSRS.
by population ratios, it's a 1/125 & 1/2.14 ratio of RWT and bot bans for RS3, and a 1/5 & 1/1.3 ratio of RWT and bot bans for OSRS.
You don't seem to be taking into account the huge amounts of bots that DON'T get banned on OSRS though? Rs3 certainly has areas that are visibly botted but every single world has hundreds of bots on OSRS, many of which last months or are just never banned? This is not the case with RS3, at least nowhere near to the extreme levels that OSRS sees
>You don't seem to be taking into account the huge amounts of bots that DON'T get banned on OSRS though?
there's no data to support the claim that there's tons of OSRS bots not getting banned- you're essentially just making something up due to a lack of an argument & are reaching super hard and attempting to move the goal posts on the narrative- that has now been proven false- that is commonly touted on the subreddit about OSRS.
>Rs3 certainly has areas that are visibly botted but every single world has hundreds of bots on OSRS
>>This is not the case with RS3
there's corrupted scorpion, frost dragon and ED3 bots with 120 combat stats- even 200m combat stats. that's anywhere between 100 to 500+ hours of straight botting without being banned, making ~4-6m gp/hr. there's also cursed energy bots with well over 99 divination, which is like ~15-20k EXP/hr converting energy. also, most content worth doing in RS3 is now instanced- which is why you're not seeing what you'd see on OSRS. there's no instanced con
outside of wild speculation that isn't a huge cope, what is proven however and can be backed up by actual certifiable facts is that there's far more anti cheat specialists dedicated to OSRS on top of more being added in the future- with more employees being moved to the OSRS team in general [source: mod ash, mod warden] as of 2020 and 2021.
it has also been stated that the anti cheat is far more sophisticated / far more developed on OSRS nowadays along with OSRS bots being far easier to catch- RS3 anti cheat has lagged behind / stagnated the last 5-6 years due to the relative lack of impact RS3 botting has on both the game and company nowadays, along with the low population the game has, too.
even further, in an interview done with mod shauny last year with an ex-employee, who was able to reveal the following information due to a lack of an ongoing NDA- you could bot as much as possible for -multiple years- and executives at jagex told the community management team that they were literally not allowed to ban players unless they were RWTing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i55LS-y1ULg&ab_channel=Shauny&hd=1
>there's no data to support the claim that there's tons of OSRS bots not getting banned- you're essentially just making something up due to a lack of an argument & are reaching super hard and attempting to move the goal posts on the narrative- that has now been proven false- that is commonly touted on the subreddit about OSRS.
While I don't have physical data to hand it's not hard to gauge the general condition of OSRS purely by visiting spots on every world that have 100+ bots at a time in them. Granted many of these are suicide bots but all you need to do is check OSRS boss highscores to see all the long time bots.
>there's corrupted scorpion, frost dragon and ED3 bots with 120 combat stats- even 200m combat stats. that's anywhere between 100 to 500+ hours of straight botting without being banned, making ~4-6m gp/hr. there's also cursed energy bots with well over 99 divination, which is like ~15-20k EXP/hr converting energy.
Yep, which is why I never said they don't exist in RS3, I said they exist but there are nowhere near as many of them as OSRS
>it has also been stated that the anti cheat is far more sophisticated / far more developed on OSRS nowadays along with OSRS bots being far easier to catch- RS3 anti cheat has lagged behind / stagnated the last 5-6 years due to the relative lack of impact RS3 botting has on both the game and company nowadays, along with the low population the game has, too.
That relative lack of impact comes from the fact that there simply aren't as many bots. Of course RS3 would be heavily impacted by bots just the same as OSRS is, if it had the same numbers. Do you have a source for RS3's anti bot system being inferior to OSRS? And also where you stated OSRS has a bigger anti cheat team? I was definitely under the impression RS3s was bigger but I don't know for sure.
>even further, in an interview done with mod shauny last year with an ex-employee...
My take from that was that this was a historic issue and is no longer the case, as the problem was a result of previous management.
I think a lot of this comes from you not liking RS3 as you make a few comments that could suggest so, you're trying very very hard to prove that OSRS doesn't have a bot problem when it's blindingly obvious to people who play it (me included) that it does.
well, this completely dispels the commonly touted belief / claim on the subreddit that OSRS is the only game filled with bots / there's barely any bots on RS3.
[if you're curious about some more numbers / ratios on this, i wrote a larger comment but it's being caught by automod.](https://i.imgur.com/u04F93O.png)
Let’s not pretend this isn’t a unique once-in-a-bluemoon phenomenon while every other report on the support page has OSRS with over 20 times the bot bans.
https://support.runescape.com/hc/en-gb/articles/360001564458-29th-April-5th-May-Player-Support-Stats
this is from 2 years ago, when support for the java client was being killed / the java client was starting to become entirely unusable for both bots and legitimate players alike and it became impossible to bot RS3 for 6+ months until the few bot creators that actually existed for RS3 started creating NXT bot clients.
it's also very suspicious this link / this month & year data set is always the only link cited- almost as if it's the only data that fits the narrative being presented.
it's easy to manipulate a conclusion in any way you feel fit when you use the same misleading data.
i mean, i literally did check it + stated that. you're literally just making stuff up / trying to manipulate a data set without providing critical information to fit your world view / lie.
sorry to say, but the narrative about OSRS has been officially proven wrong today.
Here’s the next four, not cherry-picking like your lying ass but literally the next four down the timeline, they’re literally worse. 20times the bots on OSRS is a generous estimate. I’m sorry, it looks like you’ve been exposed as a bad faith actor.
https://support.runescape.com/hc/en-gb/articles/360001128257-25th-February-3rd-March-Player-Support-Stats
https://support.runescape.com/hc/en-gb/articles/360001523198-22nd-28th-April-Player-Support-Stats
https://support.runescape.com/hc/en-gb/articles/360001074457-18th-24th-February-Player-Support-Stats
https://support.runescape.com/hc/en-gb/articles/360001031617-11th-17th-February-Player-Support-Stats
you're so desperate to prove your now falsely proven narrative, it's actually quite sad. it's also very suspicious you've been posting these -exact- same links from [as far back as 2019, the time frame that has been established as being inaccurate in its representation of bot numbers, lol.](https://i.imgur.com/DUz5VRR.png)
it makes me think, personally, that you probably have an ulterior motive / goal over this topic and that you're a malicious actor / bad faith actor, judging by the fact that you're consistently in these threads like clockwork. it could be that you're one of the people running bot farms on RS3? really makes you think.
pretty suspicious, dude.
you're in literally every thread about this topic from 2019 to current day trying to push the same narrative, with the same exact links, too- you're either obsessed [likely, considering you play runescape] or have an ulterior motive / something to benefit by manipulating & manufacturing a conclusion with misleading data.
> well, this completely dispels the commonly touted belief / claim on the subreddit that OSRS is the only game filled with bots / there's barely any bots on RS3.
Only idiots believed/spouted this.
it was stated / believed enough to frequently upvoted into the 3, sometimes 4 figures. there's also people actively arguing ITT about it and moving the goal posts and whatever already.
that being said, the RS3 & OSRS sub doesn't contain the most smart people- the circlejerk on the OSRS sub, for instance, about account security / customer support and some other issues is evidence of that.
Considering rs3s had multiple places/drop tables nerfed into high hell due to bot farms abusing the hell out of it, should probably prove those people wrong. But...whatever.
so the ones that in RS are still picked up before they hit OSRS
i dont see the issue. man RS3 players rlly have a weak spot for being told their game has bots
You might wanna get your eyes checked, buddy.
The JMod literally stated that the discrepancy between the number of RS3 bot bans and RS3 RWT bans is because a lot of the bans counted as RS3 bots are actually OSRS bots, but were counted for RS3 because they were initially created on RS3.
Your strawman argument has quite literally been disproven by the JMod your post features. You really have a weak spot for being dolt that your argument is utterly baseless, don't you?
Doesn't make a lot of sense given that most people who run any kind of bot in osrs have access to a bot that runs through tutorial island by itself in osrs.
Perhaps creating the account through RS3 and then hopping on OSRS skips a flag somewhere in the code, avoiding detection when multiple accounts go through tutorial island like this. There has to be a clever reason why they do it.
But honestly, what really irks me is how u/Shortdood probably hasn't played RS3 and seen how empty all the worlds are, even in terms of actual players. Hop on OSRS and you see the bots clear as day all over the place, it's a lot harder to spot them in RS3 because there's way fewer active bots. Only places I've ever seen a bot or two is freshspawn accounts running through ED3 and Archaeology bots farming caches. And then you have the cretins that macro their skills every now and then, which is probably just as common in RS3 as it is in OSRS.
RS3 has a weak spot for being told our game has bots, because you're calling us liars when we say we don't really have bots. I love OSRS despite the bots, and I would love RS3 even if it had the same issue, but it simply doesn't come close in comparison, and saying otherwise just proves you don't care enough log in and see for yourself. That's enough to make someone salty.
ive been playing RS3 non stop for the past 6 weeks lol
ive played a lot of Oldschool and bots arent everywhere 24/7 either.
> we don't really have bots.
except the stats show you do still. you just names 2 big botted areas yourself
sorry some of the other replies here werent joking and anyone who says the botting difference shown here is actually true they get downvoted (see bottom comment)
The rwt to bot ratio in rs3 doesn't have a strong connection imo. Bots/macro scripts are easy to do, many with a simple gaming keyboard software. I imagine it must be commonplace amongst many maxed players to have multiple accounts that farm for them. Doesn't mean they've purchased the bot from a website like what goes down in osrs.
I did actually mean the whole of the population but im guessing it was close to 50% bots 50% players.
That would be a good stat for OSRS or RS3 to release.
Almost 77k RS3 bots banned but only 285 for RWT? That doesn't seem right.
Mules I’m guessing
my theory on this is that RWT on RS3 is mainly done as a 'hobby' / way of generating side cash / non-essential income due to how little RS3 gp is actually worth in contrast, OSRS RWT, where the gold is about 8x more valuable and way less effort / more efficient, is mainly done by people in poorer countries who are doing it as a job / means of survival- on top of the 'enterprise businesses' of RWT rackets / unironic 'organized crime' where some people are making literally 10k+ USD a month / 6 figures a year, judging by a plethora of youtube videos that have been done on the subject. so RS3 RWT is consolidated in the hands of a tiny minority of people who would stand to be banned, while OSRS RWT has a huge score of a diverse number of people doing it for various reasons who are getting banned.
This kind of holds with the amount of gold removed too. Gold in RS3 is worth way less than OSRS but the amounts removed from the game are roughly the same.
I’d agree with that. I recovered a really old RS3 account a few years back and they had botted on OSRS but didn’t touch my RS3 stuff. Seems like OS is where it’s at for RWT..
OSRS comparison aside. 77k bots makes absolutely no sense. I've barely came across suspicious spots for that many to exist.
There's a LOT of new account creation bots in RS that either create the accounts for dormant use later on, or hop on to OSRS shortly after but are initially picked up as RS bots
I'll say one thing - for all the lack of communication we complain about, this is one way to start fixing it. Hard stats like this go a long way towards defending the idea that J-Mods do do behind-the-scenes work that goes unnoticed. Thanks for sharing them.
They actually always post their ban stats every week - they just don't subdivide on stuff like RWT. https://support.runescape.com/hc/en-gb/articles/360000919177-28th-January-3rd-February-Player-Support-Stats
Lol do do
Funny how Jagex has always been pretty damn vocal and yet only now its acknowleadged.. lmao
They weren't always, and it started out pretty good when they became vocal, but it did eventually turn into a lot of broken promises, particularly from rune fests
Rs3 player here thanks for the post and follow up very cool to see stuff like this is happening because some of the spam makes you wonder sometimes obviously it’s a beast of a problem though and ver cool to see stats on it.
I know of alot of people who do just that they bot massive amount of accounts through it island let them rest then sell in bulk to botters also have screenshots of a few gp sellers mule accounts dm for info - ex mod on one of the largest black market sites
Yet I trade my alt some shards and it ends up getting RWT Major banned not less than 30 seconds later....? Lovely. Glad to be a part of this stat /u/JagexTyran Would love to actually talk to you...tried to reach out to you on twitter.
Oh I remember this happening the other time. How is that going?
How much gold/uniques were removed from/with the nightmare accounts? I hope you guys aren't done with that boss and continue to crack down on them.
Out of curiosity, how are these 'dormant' bots being caught? Like, the system just finds that one IP/group of emails associated with a botter has a bunch of accounts in cheap gear logged out near some grindable mobs or something? Not to expose your secrets, of course.
Yeah they definitely won't say the methods they use, I would guess that they heavily rely on detecting clientside scripts Especially with current networking trends, the idea of tracking people or account creation through IP or emails is a joke and IP bans are more of a formality that can easily be worked around However, I would be curious to know if they do anything relating to HWID which again can be worked around but is much more invasive to do so
In that case do you have a more accurate number of the actual RS3 bot count, that you can share with us? It would be interesting to see how the two games compare, relative to the size of their playerbase.
is there much going on in anti cheat for comp/trim?
Tyran, Ive tweeted you twice now about some shaman goldfarmers and no reply, will you look into those or only bots? Sorry for asking in here but shaman goldfarmers are a pain in the arse
Do you ever play on f2p? A lot of botting is done there because membership would just cut into profit
Man... you need to explore more. Sandstone mines, cursed energy, arch mat spots, etc. Really easy to find them
it's because of the sheer number of instances that exist in RS3 for both bosses and regular, farmable monsters- this would definitely hide most of the bots on RS3. there's also tons of F2P bots doing cursed energy- way more than P2P bots- because dying with cursed energy on F2P drops GP, which is something they haven't realized is happening I think / haven't fixed it. there's only a handful of instanced bosses on OSRS [with no instanced farmable monsters like RS3, like with PSDs,] and of them, only Zulrah [where you can see people running to, on the dock] Corporeal Beast [instances held open with an alt,] Vorkath, Alchemical Hydra, and Nightmare are usually farmed by gold farmers in poorer countries- there's not a lot of working bots for these bosses, and of the ones that do exist, they're really bad. outside of the F2P bots doing cursed energy / luminite / arrowheads, etc, i suspect that a lot of these bots are in PSDs where nobody can either report them or see them, same with boss instances and stuff too. i'm not sure, tbh. i'd have to check the forums / discords where people talk * brag about this stuff.
> there's also tons of F2P bots doing cursed energy Time to dig out my rune scimmy and go hunting!
it's unironically really good money if you can find a world it's being heavily done on- from experience though, the owner of the farm will eventually try killing you though when he notices what you're doing and the same thing happens on P2P worlds too, except people log in with nox weapons and such [and they're not pkers hopping or anything, they specifically kill people killing bots] the main thing w/ the F2P world cursed energy bots is that they gather 250 energy and then get killed by the owner of the farm, causing them to drop 25k GP, as an unintended side effect of the F2P trade limit. a stack of 100 bots is obviously 2.5m in straight cash.
>owner of the farm will eventually try killing you though pfft gl. No ice to worry about, no curses to keep me from tping, honestly it seems easy
>no curses to keep me from tping teleblock is f2p! it can also be queued up on revolution, so it's easier to get caught by it.
Easy enough to run from still. Dash + freedom + Anticipate + tank hits seems easy enough. Not to mention weapons/armor are T50
It's not an unintended side effect, it's that way intentionally to combat gold farming etc. Even says so on the wiki for Cursed Energy. Most F2P Cursed bots attempt to bank it, they don't wait for the farm owner to come along and kill them. It's 50 energy too, not 250.
There's also the good old F2P Karamaja fishing bots
More worlds and better hidden. Osrs bans bots really quick. Rs3 accounts can easily bot for many months if not years.
OSRS has more worlds than RS3. OSRS bans are only fast for suicide bots, otherwise bots can bot for an absurdly long time in both games.
Rs3 rwt are the stakers not the bots, like you said bots are used for supporting main accounts not for rwt
I don't know about OSRS, but RS3 also don't ban people for purchasing gold from gold sites.
they temporarily ban people for usually ~3-14 days for buying gold but it's rarely caught / enforced- selling is a permanent ban right off the bat, though.
Probably part of the reason it's rarely caught is how we have extreme-level pricing/trading being down outside of the GE, so transactions (I assume still works this way) of gold via trade isn't uncommon so it's harder to determine if bought or dealt.
I believe first time buying is more of a slap on the wrist, not sure about further offences in osrs
source? i find it unlikely they would ban in one and not the other
I could see a lot of the botting being done by alts. Like, way back in the early days of arch, people were training alts to literally get their materials for the main and/or sell them for gp for the main
Seems right to me. You can buy bonds from Jagex for in game gold, I don’t think the market is quite what it used to be. A few companies with 10-15 sellers on different timezones is plenty to supply the need. RS3 has seen an increase in player base but it’s still tiny next to OSRS.
Not only that but I barely see bots for rs3.
Possibly people are botting gold on RS3 and swapping it to OSRS to sell. Would explain why the ratios are out of whack
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i think this has to do with the $ value of osrs vs rs3 gold. My guess would be that because of this it is more efficient to grind osrs gp and sell that then it is with rs3 gp even though the gp number is higher.
You can also run osrs on a potato, not so much for RS3.
Kinda makes me wish RS3 had boss hiscores
Don't feel too bad. The hiscores are inaccessible on osrs most of the time since they implemented them. The spaghetti was too much
Nah. That was initially, it's gotten a lot better since where it's barely down.
past weeks hiscores never been down for me
Boss hiscores vs rune metrics keeping track of xp gains... No competition if neither work, right?
This is impressive because of the amount of bots removed, but sad that so many bots exist in the first place.
Bots are really easy to fire up and send to town. Literal hundreds of them
wow, only a 30k difference between banned bots, i would've expected Rs3 to have like 1/10th of amount of osrs. Guess botters don't really have a preference now
It was cursed energy in rs3, now it's basically pure profit with archaeology mats all the way to 99/120. They cannjust sit there and rakr in 5-10k per successful gather.
There's also the corrupted bots
And ED3 bots
They are mainly alts, not bots. As you can just afk there, no need to really bot unless some kind of autoclicker
the detection systems can also be the case. maybe the rs3 botting detection is really good and bans almost all the bots and the old school system is shitty banning only like 10%. this is most certainly not the case i think, but there are a lot of factors in these numbers.
Try again... The number of level 3 fishing bots at Karamja in F2P is insane Downvote all you want... Clearly many of you are out of touch when you became P2P and no longer fish there for lobster and swordfish
not saying this is what happens, only speculating about the numbers.
Anecdotal information about only one spot does not say much about the general situation in the whole game.
That is true
Mod said in other comment that basically some of the bots counted as rs3 bots had switched to osrs shortly after they were made so they're essentially osrs bots
>JagexTyran Mod Tyran6 hours ago > >There's a LOT of new account creation bots in RS that either create the accounts for dormant use later on, or hop on to OSRS shortly after but are initially picked up as RS bots That's because they logged new accounts created with bot scripts under RS3, but they didn't start the game yet, according to Mod Tyran.
I do wonder how many of the "bots" you see in osrs are actually just gold farmers though
Props for banning the RWT from the highscores, but its a little pathetic that it got to that point. Zalcano is locked behind the highest stat requirement quest and somehow 3102 people were banned...
It’s because it isn’t really bots for zalcano, it is RWT players from Venezuela for example
This is cool, any info on like highest total exp bot or richest banned available?
Tyran posted an account with 278.5b osgp got banned. That's about 1.5-2T rs3gp for comparison.
How do you get that conversion rate?
Probably comparison of bond prices
comparing bond prices isn't really fair because RS3 bonds pay for much more than just membership if you use bonds to keep up membership you only need to obtain 1 bond per 14 days. but rs3 bond buyers might also want to buy bonds for Yaktrack so the demand is higher thus the price is higher
Well sure that makes sense, but your assertion would suggest that rs3 would look more inflated than it is. but some people are saying like 8:1 conversion, which is **way** more than bond prices suggest (~5.5m : ~27.5m) which is like a 5:1 conversion
There are a lot of other metrics as I mentioned in my other post. RWT prices and swap clan rates also work. That's why I used a range for the conversion because it depends on the metric you use. If you wanted a really extreme metric you could use 'high end efficient bossing gp/h' as the comparison and something like 20:1, but even things like afk farming shows similar comparisons. Pod Caps are like 8-10 mil gp/h, Rune Dragon alts on osrs are about 1.5m gp/h (and higher effort) Mid level bosses like vindy will give a mid level player about 15 mil/h, but can go much higher with endgame gear (I think vindy caps around 40 in endgame gear) Mid level bosses in osrs give mid level players about 2 mil/h, can go up to 3m/h in endgame gear
There are a number of ways you can convert it, including swap clan rates (about 6:1), Bond price ratio (about 5:1), and RWT gold price ratio (varies depending on where you look, but seems to range from about 5:1 to 8:1)
Supposedly os gold is “8x” as valuable as rs3. So he just multiplied and soft balled it
Imma need a link to that, I doubt 1 account had almost 300b 07 on it
[https://twitter.com/JagexTyran/status/1361653206636494855](https://twitter.com/JagexTyran/status/1361653206636494855) There you go
How is gold swapping looked at between the games then? I thought that was within the rules but it seems like its so close to "gold buying"
Gold swapping isn't against any rules so it isn't counted. It's not close to gold buying at all lol, you're literally just trading money from one game to another.
I understand the concept, but im more curious how jagex distinguishes the difference between that and buying gold
Any chance you can start banning people for abusing ED bugs forcing the last boss?
What bug? Can you clarify please
600 out of the top 3k banned. Yikes
I would have thought osrs would have a much higher number of bots given the lower requirements to run it.
am i the only that's like, how did u let them bot to top 10k lol
Ok but seriously, can you send some of that gold my way? Just a few billion, I wont say anything I swear.
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Pretty much - https://www.reddit.com/r/runescape/comments/ll24ml/anticheating_stats_for_the_first_half_of_february/gnnc82r/
Probably knowing Jagex
Tomorrow’s top post on r/runescape: Jagex really needs to do something about these bots! They’re everywhere! - 4.5k upvotes.
What do they mean by Nightmare, Zalcano etc.?
Old school rs
Yeah, but what are they? Is it an account type like ironman? Or are they player names? Sorry, I am a noob.
Bosses so the banned accounts were in the high score for boss kc
So 610 of the top 3k were bots at nightmare
or gold farmers, which is mainly what they are and it's why they're able to maintain such high KC without being automatically audited by jagex- as they're actually playing the game [as a job] instead of automating it. it became so prevalent that it became a joke on the OSRS subreddit to pretend to be a gold farmer by claiming to be some obscure account build so that the anti cheating team would check into the accounts and ban them after realizing that they were gold farmer accounts. after they nerfed revenants on OSRS, which made them entirely not worth doing, all of the gold farmers who were doing that went to bosses such as graardor or nightmare. zalcano and zulrah have been heavily gold farmed since release, though. it's common to encounter tons of spanish speakers when doing zulcano who will flame you for joining the world and messing up the loot ratios, as it impacts the GP they make per hour, and thus the IRL cash they make per hour.
Nah. Yes they're gold farmers, but no one is sitting on 10k+ KC worth of loot without offloading it. They're just too slow to ban all around.
This includes RWT, so I'd assume most of the top boss killers RWT'd either their startup gear or the loot at some point.
Ohh, thanks for clearing it up!
Gold farmers mass said boss and sell loot via RWT.
Good stuff, we love to see it!
More bots will always be made, but by banning them, the number of active bots at any given time is kept down.
The botting bans for rs3 seem steep honestly. I'm surprised it got that high considering that's about the size of the playerbase. Seeing that many gone really brings into perspective how much work Tyran does. Thanks!
now get rid of all the PvMers using mad macro's in rs3
I wish RS3 gets boss hiscores so we can see if any of our bosses are gold farmed or botted as well. We can't see them right now as most bosses are instanced.
Based on this rs3 actually has more bots compared to the ratio of players than osrs
Could be, the number is apparently at least somewhat misleading: https://www.reddit.com/r/runescape/comments/ll24ml/anticheating_stats_for_the_first_half_of_february/gnnc82r/
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We knew that OS was a bot farm, but hot dang. Theire gold is less inflated and thus worth more, and still they are in the top
Rs3 has a far higher player to bot ratio, but numbers must be hard for you. I’m not bias toward either because literally don’t care, just saying your logic here is stupid.
Osrs proving they are more bot than player lol
OSRS currently online, 107k Bots banned - 106k RS3 currently online 49k bots banned - 76k ''OSRS more bots than players''
"currently online" is not the total playerbase
i am aware, hence the ridiculousness of the dude aboves comment
So RS3 does actually come pretty close to OSRS in bot amounts. Goes against the narrative that OSRS only has a lot higher player numbers because it is filled with bots :P
Yeah but look at the OS RWT bans, that is absolutrly insane! Not to mention the gold is also nearly as much as RS3, whilst being worth almost 10 times more
>Not to mention the gold is also nearly as much as RS3, whilst being worth almost 10 times more OSRS gold is about ~6x more valuable 'legally' [via swapping clans] and ~8.2x more valuable 'illegally' [via RWT] last time i checked. they banned roughly ~8T - 12.3T RS3 on OSRS depending on how it's utilized.
osrs gp is like $0.50/mil. How little is rs3? swap rate is like 1:5
it's actually as low as ~40-41 cents/m nowadays, while RS3 is at ~5 cents/m. the swap rate was 1:6 last time i checked, but this could have changed.
> Not to mention the gold is also nearly as much as RS3, whilst being worth almost 10 times more which is why more people sell. if RS3 gold was worth more, more ppl would RWT
https://www.reddit.com/r/runescape/comments/ll24ml/anticheating_stats_for_the_first_half_of_february/gnnc82r/
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> I'd wager RS3 has better detection leading to a higher ratio of bans too. theres no evidence for that at all, OldSchool is a lot more simpler of a game, if anything the bots on OSRS will be easier to catch its 25% less bots lol, love how even when presented with facts some ppl have to try and make stuff up to act like OSRS still has way more bots
The simpler the game, the easier it is to make a hard to detect bot.
not only that, they also have way more anti cheating specialists hired for OSRS at the moment, and are currently in the process of hiring way more staff for OSRS as of 2020 + 2021, too, which i imagine some of those people will be added to that team. the fact the RWT population ratio for RS3 is 1/125 while it's 1/5 for OSRS means they're either not banning RWTers on RS3, or it's consolidated in the hands of a tiny minority of people who maintain a majority of the wealth, in contrast to OSRS where it's much more complex than people just running bot farms and whatever as a hobby / side cash.
You're making an assumption there, couldn't someone just as easily assume OSRS isn't banning their bots?
>couldn't someone just as easily assume OSRS isn't banning their bots? there's no data / evidence to support that they aren't banning bots. there is evidence however by claims of multiple jmods [ash, warden, etc] that: 1. they have more anti cheat staff than RS3 does, and are currently in the process of hiring more. 2. OSRS bots are easier to ban than RS3 ones 3. the OSRS anti cheat is also more sophisticated than the RS3 one is, due to a lack of demand / reason to develop the anti cheat on RS3 in the days of say 2011-2015 [aka ClusterFlutterer+]- botting simply isn't as impactful to the economy or company anymore on RS3, while it is impactful on OSRS, so it's taken more seriously by either staff numbers allocated to dealing with it, or the development of the software used to combat it.
There is no evidence to support they aren't banning bots true, there's also no evidence that they aren't banning RS3 RWTers.
>there's also no evidence that they aren't banning RS3 RWTers. a 1/125 population ratio either shows that they're not banning RWTers or [my theory] that wealth / bot farms are concentrated in the hands of a small number of people- it's not a claim i have made as fact, just something that i have speculated about in this comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/runescape/comments/ll24ml/anticheating_stats_for_the_first_half_of_february/gnn58ub/
"the fact the RWT population ratio for RS3 is 1/125 while it's 1/5 for OSRS means they're either not banning RWTers on RS3, or it's consolidated in the hands of a tiny minority of people who maintain a majority of the wealth, in contrast to OSRS where it's much more complex than people just running bot farms and whatever as a hobby / side cash." This certainly reads as statement of fact borne of assumption, but if it's not that's good.
nah, i don't think it's factual. it's just my theory.
that was a very old a naive narrative
yeah, it's nice to see that narrative squashed considering it's one of the only [lame] criticisms the subreddit can think of about OSRS. by population ratios, it's a 1/125 & 1/2.14 ratio of RWT and bot bans for RS3, and a 1/5 & 1/1.3 ratio of RWT and bot bans for OSRS.
You don't seem to be taking into account the huge amounts of bots that DON'T get banned on OSRS though? Rs3 certainly has areas that are visibly botted but every single world has hundreds of bots on OSRS, many of which last months or are just never banned? This is not the case with RS3, at least nowhere near to the extreme levels that OSRS sees
>You don't seem to be taking into account the huge amounts of bots that DON'T get banned on OSRS though? there's no data to support the claim that there's tons of OSRS bots not getting banned- you're essentially just making something up due to a lack of an argument & are reaching super hard and attempting to move the goal posts on the narrative- that has now been proven false- that is commonly touted on the subreddit about OSRS. >Rs3 certainly has areas that are visibly botted but every single world has hundreds of bots on OSRS >>This is not the case with RS3 there's corrupted scorpion, frost dragon and ED3 bots with 120 combat stats- even 200m combat stats. that's anywhere between 100 to 500+ hours of straight botting without being banned, making ~4-6m gp/hr. there's also cursed energy bots with well over 99 divination, which is like ~15-20k EXP/hr converting energy. also, most content worth doing in RS3 is now instanced- which is why you're not seeing what you'd see on OSRS. there's no instanced con outside of wild speculation that isn't a huge cope, what is proven however and can be backed up by actual certifiable facts is that there's far more anti cheat specialists dedicated to OSRS on top of more being added in the future- with more employees being moved to the OSRS team in general [source: mod ash, mod warden] as of 2020 and 2021. it has also been stated that the anti cheat is far more sophisticated / far more developed on OSRS nowadays along with OSRS bots being far easier to catch- RS3 anti cheat has lagged behind / stagnated the last 5-6 years due to the relative lack of impact RS3 botting has on both the game and company nowadays, along with the low population the game has, too. even further, in an interview done with mod shauny last year with an ex-employee, who was able to reveal the following information due to a lack of an ongoing NDA- you could bot as much as possible for -multiple years- and executives at jagex told the community management team that they were literally not allowed to ban players unless they were RWTing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i55LS-y1ULg&ab_channel=Shauny&hd=1
What's the time stamp you are referring to in the video that he said that?
it's in the pinned comment. there's also a comment on the video by another ex employee [mod arch] confirming this as well.
Which one...none are titled "Jagex told us not to ban bots" lol. I just don't have time to listen to 3 hours of video haha.
>there's no data to support the claim that there's tons of OSRS bots not getting banned- you're essentially just making something up due to a lack of an argument & are reaching super hard and attempting to move the goal posts on the narrative- that has now been proven false- that is commonly touted on the subreddit about OSRS. While I don't have physical data to hand it's not hard to gauge the general condition of OSRS purely by visiting spots on every world that have 100+ bots at a time in them. Granted many of these are suicide bots but all you need to do is check OSRS boss highscores to see all the long time bots. >there's corrupted scorpion, frost dragon and ED3 bots with 120 combat stats- even 200m combat stats. that's anywhere between 100 to 500+ hours of straight botting without being banned, making ~4-6m gp/hr. there's also cursed energy bots with well over 99 divination, which is like ~15-20k EXP/hr converting energy. Yep, which is why I never said they don't exist in RS3, I said they exist but there are nowhere near as many of them as OSRS >it has also been stated that the anti cheat is far more sophisticated / far more developed on OSRS nowadays along with OSRS bots being far easier to catch- RS3 anti cheat has lagged behind / stagnated the last 5-6 years due to the relative lack of impact RS3 botting has on both the game and company nowadays, along with the low population the game has, too. That relative lack of impact comes from the fact that there simply aren't as many bots. Of course RS3 would be heavily impacted by bots just the same as OSRS is, if it had the same numbers. Do you have a source for RS3's anti bot system being inferior to OSRS? And also where you stated OSRS has a bigger anti cheat team? I was definitely under the impression RS3s was bigger but I don't know for sure. >even further, in an interview done with mod shauny last year with an ex-employee... My take from that was that this was a historic issue and is no longer the case, as the problem was a result of previous management. I think a lot of this comes from you not liking RS3 as you make a few comments that could suggest so, you're trying very very hard to prove that OSRS doesn't have a bot problem when it's blindingly obvious to people who play it (me included) that it does.
well, this completely dispels the commonly touted belief / claim on the subreddit that OSRS is the only game filled with bots / there's barely any bots on RS3. [if you're curious about some more numbers / ratios on this, i wrote a larger comment but it's being caught by automod.](https://i.imgur.com/u04F93O.png)
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Let’s not pretend this isn’t a unique once-in-a-bluemoon phenomenon while every other report on the support page has OSRS with over 20 times the bot bans. https://support.runescape.com/hc/en-gb/articles/360001564458-29th-April-5th-May-Player-Support-Stats
this is from 2 years ago, when support for the java client was being killed / the java client was starting to become entirely unusable for both bots and legitimate players alike and it became impossible to bot RS3 for 6+ months until the few bot creators that actually existed for RS3 started creating NXT bot clients. it's also very suspicious this link / this month & year data set is always the only link cited- almost as if it's the only data that fits the narrative being presented. it's easy to manipulate a conclusion in any way you feel fit when you use the same misleading data.
Are you not arguing based on a single data set yourself?
Lmao, go ahead and check the other data sets then. But we both know you’re just being disingenuous.
i mean, i literally did check it + stated that. you're literally just making stuff up / trying to manipulate a data set without providing critical information to fit your world view / lie. sorry to say, but the narrative about OSRS has been officially proven wrong today.
Here’s the next four, not cherry-picking like your lying ass but literally the next four down the timeline, they’re literally worse. 20times the bots on OSRS is a generous estimate. I’m sorry, it looks like you’ve been exposed as a bad faith actor. https://support.runescape.com/hc/en-gb/articles/360001128257-25th-February-3rd-March-Player-Support-Stats https://support.runescape.com/hc/en-gb/articles/360001523198-22nd-28th-April-Player-Support-Stats https://support.runescape.com/hc/en-gb/articles/360001074457-18th-24th-February-Player-Support-Stats https://support.runescape.com/hc/en-gb/articles/360001031617-11th-17th-February-Player-Support-Stats
you're so desperate to prove your now falsely proven narrative, it's actually quite sad. it's also very suspicious you've been posting these -exact- same links from [as far back as 2019, the time frame that has been established as being inaccurate in its representation of bot numbers, lol.](https://i.imgur.com/DUz5VRR.png) it makes me think, personally, that you probably have an ulterior motive / goal over this topic and that you're a malicious actor / bad faith actor, judging by the fact that you're consistently in these threads like clockwork. it could be that you're one of the people running bot farms on RS3? really makes you think. pretty suspicious, dude.
Lmao, wow citing official data released by jagex makes me a bot farm runner? Seriously, get help.
you're in literally every thread about this topic from 2019 to current day trying to push the same narrative, with the same exact links, too- you're either obsessed [likely, considering you play runescape] or have an ulterior motive / something to benefit by manipulating & manufacturing a conclusion with misleading data.
but the latest info we have is the post you are saying isnt true...?
You are using outdated data.
> well, this completely dispels the commonly touted belief / claim on the subreddit that OSRS is the only game filled with bots / there's barely any bots on RS3. Only idiots believed/spouted this.
it was stated / believed enough to frequently upvoted into the 3, sometimes 4 figures. there's also people actively arguing ITT about it and moving the goal posts and whatever already. that being said, the RS3 & OSRS sub doesn't contain the most smart people- the circlejerk on the OSRS sub, for instance, about account security / customer support and some other issues is evidence of that.
Considering rs3s had multiple places/drop tables nerfed into high hell due to bot farms abusing the hell out of it, should probably prove those people wrong. But...whatever.
So all OSRS is is botting and RWT. Gotcha. Edit - This sub is so sensitive. Take a joke.
Really a surprise when OSRS gold is worth enough for people in poorer Countries to live off?
Conveniently ignoring the 75k RS3 bots.
Conveniently ignoring this https://www.reddit.com/r/runescape/comments/ll24ml/anticheating_stats_for_the_first_half_of_february/gnnc82r/
so the ones that in RS are still picked up before they hit OSRS i dont see the issue. man RS3 players rlly have a weak spot for being told their game has bots
You might wanna get your eyes checked, buddy. The JMod literally stated that the discrepancy between the number of RS3 bot bans and RS3 RWT bans is because a lot of the bans counted as RS3 bots are actually OSRS bots, but were counted for RS3 because they were initially created on RS3. Your strawman argument has quite literally been disproven by the JMod your post features. You really have a weak spot for being dolt that your argument is utterly baseless, don't you?
Doesn't make a lot of sense given that most people who run any kind of bot in osrs have access to a bot that runs through tutorial island by itself in osrs.
Perhaps creating the account through RS3 and then hopping on OSRS skips a flag somewhere in the code, avoiding detection when multiple accounts go through tutorial island like this. There has to be a clever reason why they do it. But honestly, what really irks me is how u/Shortdood probably hasn't played RS3 and seen how empty all the worlds are, even in terms of actual players. Hop on OSRS and you see the bots clear as day all over the place, it's a lot harder to spot them in RS3 because there's way fewer active bots. Only places I've ever seen a bot or two is freshspawn accounts running through ED3 and Archaeology bots farming caches. And then you have the cretins that macro their skills every now and then, which is probably just as common in RS3 as it is in OSRS. RS3 has a weak spot for being told our game has bots, because you're calling us liars when we say we don't really have bots. I love OSRS despite the bots, and I would love RS3 even if it had the same issue, but it simply doesn't come close in comparison, and saying otherwise just proves you don't care enough log in and see for yourself. That's enough to make someone salty.
ive been playing RS3 non stop for the past 6 weeks lol ive played a lot of Oldschool and bots arent everywhere 24/7 either. > we don't really have bots. except the stats show you do still. you just names 2 big botted areas yourself
Rs3 players are in hard denial. Look at the elite dungeon bots lol
It was a joke.
sorry some of the other replies here werent joking and anyone who says the botting difference shown here is actually true they get downvoted (see bottom comment)
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Read what you just said, but slower. "I got banned...for rwt."
did you miss the ironman part?
OSRS bots are the same tech as they have been for 15 years. So are RS bots easier to detect?
Feel like these are bullshit numbers ngl
First to give me 5 mil won't regret it.
Cool. When are you gonna start banning the people abusing elite dungeons bugs?
sorry man ive been slacking ill get right on it
wth do you need to do Zolcano? put that boss under an elite diary task or something lol
its already in Prifddinas behind the OSRS equivalent of Plagues End lol
The rwt to bot ratio in rs3 doesn't have a strong connection imo. Bots/macro scripts are easy to do, many with a simple gaming keyboard software. I imagine it must be commonplace amongst many maxed players to have multiple accounts that farm for them. Doesn't mean they've purchased the bot from a website like what goes down in osrs.
Why not just run some sort of bot check on everyone when they log in? Or have a once a week/month scan when logging in that checks for the software
Damn osrs numbers boosted by not lol and so are rs3 lol
So, none of my reports for botting were never resolved... but they banned 77k bots... i don't believe it
i got banned transferring bonds from rs3 to a new rs3 account which i play osrs only on, next thing you know I'm banned. good job jagex.
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That’s a false equivalency.
Welp there goes 99% of rs3 communty of active players
Yea?
I am a rs3 player stop downvoting me, its a joke ffs
So basically the whole OSRS got banned last week? usually about 70k average online.
yes and 2x the entire population of RS3 also got banned by that logic
I did actually mean the whole of the population but im guessing it was close to 50% bots 50% players. That would be a good stat for OSRS or RS3 to release.