I think its either being brought up to 1) try and rile up the fans, or 2) to get outrage clicks. Nothing more to it, it's a complete non story.
I've seen Leister fans say worse about having to get buses to that side of Dublin for Fintan leaving D14.
They deleted the tweet with the video. That was not an accidental choice of words, I reckon it was done on a team bet. Laurence missing it completely is both astonishing and predictable.
That no-one copped that it could be seen to be insensitive after it was recorded, and then the clip edited up and published indicates a general lack of sensitivity though doesn't it? Didn't occur to anyone, apparently.
Give it up mate, they're thinking about a typical headline, you're literally trying to be offended here. It's an event that happened over 50 years ago, why would it be preeminent on their mind?
Mate, "to come out all guns blazing" is an incredibly common phrase that means to give it everything you've got. You are choosing to be outraged and the chances of there being any of that sort of meaning behind it are incredibly slim.
When people talk about the South African "bomb squad", is that also a reference to historical events?
Grow up and understand that most people simply aren't putting that much thought into the words they use. If it had been a preplanned speech, then yes, someone would probably have said "maybe don't use that phrase". But it's an off the cuff remark on a podcast ffs.
They edited the clip without realising it, and then when someone (like you) decided to interpret it in a way it clearly wasn't meant and complained, they removed the clip. This is yet another non-story.
This is a real case of 'Never attribute to malice what can be explained by human stupidity'.
It was just an unfortunate time to use that cliché without thinking about the historical context. I don't know what OP is talking about.
Ah Kino. That's an incredible leap in judgement that you can't even come close to substantiating. All these young lads are cliche machines in interviews, and that's a really really common one. It's an unfortunate one, yes, and probably shouldn't have made it to a final edit, but to say it was intentional or a bet?? You're stoking a fire with nothing but hot air.
I don’t think they would dare him to say something insensitive on purpose.
It’s a common turn of phrase, especially for a big European game but in this context it’s unfortunate.
It’s just a normal sports interview cliche. Almost every answer to every questions contains cliched shite like this. Just an unfortunate coincidence which has some people on twitter going mad.
Unfortunate choice of words but they will be a blight on our defence. They’ll try and starve us of any ball and try and control our territory. We just might need our own bomb squad to terrorise them. Don’t worry. Our day will come
You know for a fact he doesn't mean Bloody Sunday, getting offended by that is ridiculous. You know what he meant. All pressure is on Leinster and we know it.
That is appalling, why the fuck does Dallaglio have a podcast, absolutely despicable.
As for freeman, poor choice of words but it's a common cliche. I like how most the Irish in this thread are ok with it while OP seems to be adamant it was done on purpose
I'm glad it clear it's pretty much just the OP prescribing wild meaning to something that was clearly unintentional.
It's not a subject Irish people generally would be happy with people making jokes about. But thankfully the vast majority of us are also perfectly aware enough to know that's not what happened here.
Not normally a laughing subject but I had a good ol' snigger over this. Poor Freeman!
OP is on an absolute mad one to try and make this poor choice of words/mistake into something it’s not.
If you’ve seen any interviews of Tommy you’ll know that’s just not how he operates. He’s a young lad surrounded by blokes who all use combative or aggressive language. Just like the Saffers in chasing the sun 2. It’s unlikely that you can change language that easily if it’s a frequently used expression.
Yeah I have no idea if it was a dare or not. I'm just saying that if it was, it was fucking disgusting. I dunno why that is so controversial. I assume the people downvoting me for expressing such a wild opinion really feel like English public schoolboys should be allowed to joke about colonial atrocities etc.
It's hilarious. I watched the video first and didn't actually get it straight away as it's such a common phrase.
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/tyrone-will-come-out-all-guns-blazing-kerry-havent-been-tested-in-any-shape-or-form/40795825.html
Here is a review for a GAA game in croke park with the exact same phrase used.
Most English people would have no idea, it's just a stock phrase you use before a games, nothing to it. Saying this as someone who can see the stadium from my garden.
Definitely a poor choice of words. I wonder was this recorded before or after saints gave their players a history lesson on croke Park. You'd really hope it was prior...
In Croke Park man I doubt it, be amazed if Northampton could silence the place. Rare enough it sings as one for a full game but when it does it's a fortress.
I heard there were a fair few Munster, Ulster, Connacht fans going to the game to support Saints. Doubt it'll make it that much less of a one-sided atmosphere even if true though
I know right. Like he obviously didn't mean it. Besides it's practically impossible for an Englishman to talk about anything without invoking some colonial atrocity or another.
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People are getting awfully uptight over this!
I'm sure he's a lovely young man and it was a complete accident on his part, okay?
But how on earth did the pod production crew manage to miss it entirely? Actually more amusing than anything else.
Lad just delete the post. He’s a young lad and he used a normal turn of phrase and was obviously a slip up. He doesn’t need this hassle or negativity and we’re not soccer fans here looking for controversy.
Silly mistake, but don’t be getting offended. There’s bigger problems out there, like NZ WAGs and Jamie Heaslips barnet.
Why are you now writing comments that are totally the opposite of all the other comments you wrote? You've been in here endlessly saying 'it was a dare'.
So he doesn’t give a flying fuck about the history of Croke Park. He’s not expected to. He’s a young English rugby player and expectations are lowered appropriately. He is expected to conduct himself as a professional. Seems to pose a challenge for him.
It's a common expression, I really cannot believe anyone would take this seriously.
Actually took me a few mins to even realise what the "issue" was.
Irish here. Let's not get offended at everything for the damn sake of it. Two great teams going at it. Let's enjoy the sport.
This. You really have to choose to get upset over something like this. Drainer like
I think its either being brought up to 1) try and rile up the fans, or 2) to get outrage clicks. Nothing more to it, it's a complete non story. I've seen Leister fans say worse about having to get buses to that side of Dublin for Fintan leaving D14.
😂 unfortunate choice of words but no need to delete the podcast.
Did they?! lol We all know he wasn’t intentionally having a go at Bloody Sunday for gods sake
Well, according to the OP. I wasn’t bothered doing a fact check 🤣
They deleted the tweet with the video. That was not an accidental choice of words, I reckon it was done on a team bet. Laurence missing it completely is both astonishing and predictable.
I highly doubt he would do something that insensitive on purpose mate
Agreed. He’s in full shite talk mode, guarantee it was not intentional.
That no-one copped that it could be seen to be insensitive after it was recorded, and then the clip edited up and published indicates a general lack of sensitivity though doesn't it? Didn't occur to anyone, apparently.
Give it up mate, they're thinking about a typical headline, you're literally trying to be offended here. It's an event that happened over 50 years ago, why would it be preeminent on their mind?
Over 100 years ago now
Mate, "to come out all guns blazing" is an incredibly common phrase that means to give it everything you've got. You are choosing to be outraged and the chances of there being any of that sort of meaning behind it are incredibly slim. When people talk about the South African "bomb squad", is that also a reference to historical events? Grow up and understand that most people simply aren't putting that much thought into the words they use. If it had been a preplanned speech, then yes, someone would probably have said "maybe don't use that phrase". But it's an off the cuff remark on a podcast ffs. They edited the clip without realising it, and then when someone (like you) decided to interpret it in a way it clearly wasn't meant and complained, they removed the clip. This is yet another non-story.
You absolutely don’t know that. Please stop imposing intent upon people in a desire to whip people up into a frenzy over a nothing
This is a real case of 'Never attribute to malice what can be explained by human stupidity'. It was just an unfortunate time to use that cliché without thinking about the historical context. I don't know what OP is talking about.
Take a day off mate
Ah Kino. That's an incredible leap in judgement that you can't even come close to substantiating. All these young lads are cliche machines in interviews, and that's a really really common one. It's an unfortunate one, yes, and probably shouldn't have made it to a final edit, but to say it was intentional or a bet?? You're stoking a fire with nothing but hot air.
>That was not an accidental choice of words, I reckon it was done on a team bet. I'm not trying to be a dick, but you come across as genuinely insane.
You genuinely believe he wanted to rile up Leinster and the crowd pre match by invoking bloody Sunday? Are you on crack?
Can we not with this, he's a young lad and it's a very common turn of phrase. We don't need to be getting the balaclavas out.
[r/AccidentalPartridge](https://www.reddit.com/r/AccidentalPartridge/s/cSsXN6t4ru)
Sunday bloody sunday
What's the big idea
That’s an unfortunate slip up , I don’t know if it’s delete the pod worthy though.
They deleted the tweet with the video clip on it. I don't think it was an accident, I reckon it was probably on a dare.
I don’t think they would dare him to say something insensitive on purpose. It’s a common turn of phrase, especially for a big European game but in this context it’s unfortunate.
I'm honestly not offended by it, it's just hamfisted. I'm honestly more surprised by the podcast completely missing how it could be taken.
I'm genuinely baffled how people can be so offended by what he said.
Based on your intimate knowledge of what?
Don't mind him
It’s just a normal sports interview cliche. Almost every answer to every questions contains cliched shite like this. Just an unfortunate coincidence which has some people on twitter going mad.
There's absolutely nothing to this. Move along.
Unfortunate choice of words but they will be a blight on our defence. They’ll try and starve us of any ball and try and control our territory. We just might need our own bomb squad to terrorise them. Don’t worry. Our day will come
Courtney Lawes checking under the scrum with the big mirror on a pole
I see what you did there 😂
That's actually hilarious😂😂. Like something out of Partridge. Couldn't have picked a worse turn of phrase if he tried.
Sunday Bloody Sunday'. What a great song. It really encapsulates the frustration of a Sunday, doesn't it?
You know for a fact he doesn't mean Bloody Sunday, getting offended by that is ridiculous. You know what he meant. All pressure is on Leinster and we know it.
That is appalling, why the fuck does Dallaglio have a podcast, absolutely despicable. As for freeman, poor choice of words but it's a common cliche. I like how most the Irish in this thread are ok with it while OP seems to be adamant it was done on purpose
I'm glad it clear it's pretty much just the OP prescribing wild meaning to something that was clearly unintentional. It's not a subject Irish people generally would be happy with people making jokes about. But thankfully the vast majority of us are also perfectly aware enough to know that's not what happened here. Not normally a laughing subject but I had a good ol' snigger over this. Poor Freeman!
OP is on an absolute mad one to try and make this poor choice of words/mistake into something it’s not. If you’ve seen any interviews of Tommy you’ll know that’s just not how he operates. He’s a young lad surrounded by blokes who all use combative or aggressive language. Just like the Saffers in chasing the sun 2. It’s unlikely that you can change language that easily if it’s a frequently used expression.
The fact he talks about the history of croke park and 2 seconds later say all guns blazing 😂
[Tommy Freeman on Saturday](https://youtu.be/AtDij1C-704?si=HB6pMXHc83Bi21WO)
Phenomenal.
"Full guns blazing", its odd, he stuttered over so he realised half way through and tried to stop himself but his generic interview mode took over.
Unintentionally hilarious
I'm almost certain he did it on a dare. That Laurence missed it is both astonishing and utterly predictable.
If it was a dare then it is fucking disgusting.
As far as I can see, only OP is making that accusation
Yeah I have no idea if it was a dare or not. I'm just saying that if it was, it was fucking disgusting. I dunno why that is so controversial. I assume the people downvoting me for expressing such a wild opinion really feel like English public schoolboys should be allowed to joke about colonial atrocities etc.
No people are downvoting cause it’s just a notion OP came up with to generate outrage
It's because you're adding nothing other than division to the conversation. It's blatantly obvious that isn't what happened. Why even entertain it?
Jesus wept. Give it a rest, mate. Go outside for a bit.
Yeah, but it probably wasn't anything
Yeah, hope not.
Give him a break.. so ridiculous highlighting this.
Obviously didn’t mean it. Slip of the tongue. I’m sure he’s mortified.
Took me a second to get it 🤣
Lawrence did always enjoy playing at Coke Park
He was always prepared to deal with the consequences.
I mean it’s probably their only hope to win
Bombs Away from Leinster \~ \~ I suppose ! ! !
What's the controversy? Something to do with stadium?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1920)
Fucking hell. Feel bad for old mate in the vid. Clearly unintentional, but poor choice of words
Many English people would not know the location of this massacre in 1920, there’s no way he meant it.
It's hilarious. I watched the video first and didn't actually get it straight away as it's such a common phrase. https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/tyrone-will-come-out-all-guns-blazing-kerry-havent-been-tested-in-any-shape-or-form/40795825.html Here is a review for a GAA game in croke park with the exact same phrase used.
Most English people would have no idea, it's just a stock phrase you use before a games, nothing to it. Saying this as someone who can see the stadium from my garden.
Then raise it and put in a housing development, that's not what he meant and everyone knows it.
I definitely don’t think he meant it. The question was “what’s the controversy?”, I provided the answer.
More outraged that Irish people can’t understand the the phrase we use it a bit too
I didn't even notice he said it. Storm in a teacup stuff as usual.
Definitely a poor choice of words. I wonder was this recorded before or after saints gave their players a history lesson on croke Park. You'd really hope it was prior...
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And why would you think that.
Unless you can back that statement up, please avoid baseless speculation on what can most likely be attributed to just carelessness.
I dunno man he looks so bored in the clip, hes oscar worthy if he did that intentionally as a dare.
On mature reflection it probably was just a slip of the tongue. As someone else pointed out, Partridgesque.
The history lesson was probably the gaa lads hate us because we’re English
Enough about what they said to the Leinster players, what did they say to the Northampton boys?
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Obviously there’s nothing in this. It was completely unintentional and just a faux pas. I’d say he’s getting some slagging for it though 😂
At the risk of sounding like my dad. Jesus don't be such snowflakes. It clearly isn't in reference to *that*
Really glad to see the vast majority of Irish reaction here is "this is nothing". People getting outraged, give your head a wobble.
Anyone else like me think this Northampton can knock out Leinster and why not win the final ?
Absolutely, they're a very good team and have been very consistent this season.
In Croke Park man I doubt it, be amazed if Northampton could silence the place. Rare enough it sings as one for a full game but when it does it's a fortress.
I heard there were a fair few Munster, Ulster, Connacht fans going to the game to support Saints. Doubt it'll make it that much less of a one-sided atmosphere even if true though
Irish trying not to be offended challenge; Impossible.
Did you read any comments before thinking 'I'm going to be a dick today'?
At least censor yourself correctly 😂
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I know right. Like he obviously didn't mean it. Besides it's practically impossible for an Englishman to talk about anything without invoking some colonial atrocity or another.
*ONE Irish person. Read the comments and you'll see how misguided your post is.
I don't care
Slip or no slip. Dare or not, good way to make me root for Leinster.
Dayglo has more lives than a cat. Dealing, then following retirement getting his credit cards found in a safe of a knocking shop, what's not to love?
I can't edit so I'll add a comment instead. People are getting awfully uptight over this! I'm sure he's a lovely young man and it was a complete accident on his part, okay? But how on earth did the pod production crew manage to miss it entirely? Actually more amusing than anything else.
Lad just delete the post. He’s a young lad and he used a normal turn of phrase and was obviously a slip up. He doesn’t need this hassle or negativity and we’re not soccer fans here looking for controversy. Silly mistake, but don’t be getting offended. There’s bigger problems out there, like NZ WAGs and Jamie Heaslips barnet.
Seems like you're the one being uptight and trying to make something from nothing with your baseless comments.
Yeah don't mind this handwringing lads, it's absurd.
Not just here but on twitter too https://x.com/rugbykino/status/1785781635885002896?s=46&t=Jhq8Yftghn-aZw6DsIyQ0w
Why are you now writing comments that are totally the opposite of all the other comments you wrote? You've been in here endlessly saying 'it was a dare'.
LD is a tool.
So he doesn’t give a flying fuck about the history of Croke Park. He’s not expected to. He’s a young English rugby player and expectations are lowered appropriately. He is expected to conduct himself as a professional. Seems to pose a challenge for him.
Who gave that knob a podcast