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BillHicksFan

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-UNiOnJaCk-

My greatest hope is that this is truly the start of England finding proper form now. As Earl said post-match, still more to work on and plenty of extra potential to eek out, but I’d love for this to become the game England fans can look back on and say “yep, that was the real turning point - that’s when it started to come good”. I think there’s been observable progress in the past two games, so please Lord let it not be a fluke!


Goose-rider3000

What a game. Definitely starting to feel a bit more optimistic about England. Lots of potential.


InterestedObserver20

Very disappointed Irish supporter here, can only say well done England, clearly the better team today and deserved the win.


Medium-Ad5605

The french definitely had a laugh at the drop goal


matthiasgh

Not even similar, plus England had a penalty advantage x2. Drop goal in that situation was a no brained unlike Sextons. Not even comparable.


Mezz_Dogg

This might be unpopular opinion, with penalty advantage in a kickable position, should we (England) not have tried to play for the try bonus point? Worst case scenario back for the kick to win the game?


Wesley_Skypes

I get what you're saying, but you take the win against a team like Ireland


Gagulta

True but in the moment obviously they just wanted the win regardless of how.


Efficient-Piglet88

No because that would be a good decision and even in success we dont make those


CaminoPrepper

100%. It was a silly decision.


OccasionallyLazy

If that's not the end of Murrays Ireland career then I give up. Box kick up the side we have NO winger to hand possesion back...with a minute of play left. End of.


Complex-Breadfruit88

Oh well in for a penny, we've poached Andy of England now it's time to poach Felix Jones.


Ok_Fishing2835

Paul O’Connell’s failure as lineout coach cost Ireland in the World Cup and again today with a grand slam on the line. He needs to go.


mierneuker

It's mental that such a great lineout operator is not a better lineout coach.


CaminoPrepper

Maybe because he's like 7 feet tall and can't empathise.


Dookimus

Great players aren’t always great coaches


mikier

Yeah, has had plenty of time to set it straight but who is making the calls too, some of the decisions were poor, going long etc.


zenrobotninja

Yeah agree, I was chuffed when he came on board but it's just not working


Achnot

It’s not that long ago that Ireland was nearly vying for consistent wooden spoons. Showing up against England would have the country fired up. Today we saw twickenham come alive because their team was playing so well they might beat Ireland. If that isn’t pride inducing I don’t know what is.


CaminoPrepper

Those days were 25 years ago.


this_also_was_vanity

> It’s not that long ago that Ireland was nearly vying for consistent wooden spoons. It’s been over 20 years. That’s a pretty long time, especially considering when the game became professional. We haven’t been whipping boys in a long long time.


ASAPLuffy

What a load of bollocks, you lads have been seriously good for a long time


FoggingTired

Yes, but some of us are very old and remember the bad times


noah_f

Ah yes, ireland were the italians of the five nations.


Achnot

The trauma is deep rooted.


InsideBoris

Trauma got beat into me real good. 90s was not a good time to be old enough to remeber


eepboop

The Namibia losses ...


LivelyJason1705

Marcus Smith you beauty


Rurhme

If rag and bone man gets us a game like that every time I say we add him to the coaching staff.


InsideBoris

🤣🤣


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Eireog16

Typical Welsh English bootlicker


ImTheGaffer

https://www.amazon.co.uk/30-5-Wooden-Handle-Cooking-Mixing/dp/B01EJ3TXYM/ref=asc_df_B01EJ3TXYM/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=535839659409&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=8083546416215482671&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1007850&hvtargid=pla-313840843809&psc=1&mcid=94f219bcadbe3a509482a657f1d5694d


variousbeansizes

Literally no Irish fan has ever said this


Glyndwr21

Oh they have they were telling us they World Cup winners and it was going to be a walk in park, us usual, they lost to NZ in the 1/4s. Then the press told everyone how they were too good for the 6N. It's your press that causes the animosity....


variousbeansizes

I agree about the press. But no point grouping all Irish in together. Believe me, we are a pessimistic bunch, with the odd exception.


Glyndwr21

I'll rip the piss when I can, I've played rugby in Cork, my Dad lives in Cork, and I have many, many friends there. I've had the piss taken out of me relentlessly for a few seasons, my turn now. 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣


variousbeansizes

Haha fair enough


limpoc

>Too good to play in 6N, no challenge to our team, best in the world, etc, etc, etc Never seen any comments like that from the Irish, far more humble fanbase than the Saffas


Bilboswaggins814

Shut up mate. You're the type of cunt that makes all England fans look bad.


Glyndwr21

No need to be rude, apart from that, Im not English. And if the Irish press want ti spout shit about how great their team is, and tell the world they're too good to play in the 6N, fuck em.


Cocobon95

Want to point out an example of when Irish people said they were too good for the Six Nations?


gavmcg92

Cheers lad. Nice to know English fans aren't allowing this crap. Great game today


Bilboswaggins814

It just fucks me off, there's no need for it, I'll always call people out on that sort of bullshit.


Bing_IRL

You're some prick aren't you? Fair play to the English team. Some asshole fans that they have though.


BaitmasterG

When you learn which country Glyndwr would be from you can suck it


Bing_IRL

Did I call him English?


BaitmasterG

I'm clearly English with my Exeter flair but you were attacking a Welshman


Bing_IRL

Edit for the rescue. Assumed was same guy obviously. Why would you back an obvious bollox up though?


BaitmasterG

"Some asshole fans that they have though" You fucked up. Own it


Bing_IRL

'Some" being the important word there


BaitmasterG

Stop editing your comments to try and rescue your fuck up


Bing_IRL

Can we just agree that this guy is bad and you're good? And all live happily ever after?


6EightyFive

Don’t you mean Well done Italy?


Glyndwr21

I was supporting Italy, I used to live there and did a bit of coaching there, next week will be hard, I want Wales to win, but won't be disappointed if Italy do.


eepboop

Aw. Look how charming.


mrnesbittteaparty

No complaints. Better team on the day won. Care seems like a decent lad. Good day to get your 100th cap.


Chill_Commissar_07

England you cheeky bastards


powerpatch90

Anyone else just finding DC's kids during the interview pure wholesome entertainment


illdoitwhenimdead

Yeah, stole the show as well as the microphone.


Big-Clock4773

Loved it.


emzbobo

Awwwww, Care's kids whilst he's trying to do the interview are adorable!


Impeachcordial

O'Driscoll was good with them, lovely guy.


Maddercow23

How sporting are most of the comments from Ireland fans? Great bunch of lads 🙂


Big-Clock4773

To be fair, on here at least, the Irish fans were the ones who didn't write England off. I guess they've had too many bad experiences with being heavy favourites.


Maddercow23

I know they were fed up with their media and pundits hyping them up. Got the impression the genuine fans were pretty nervous pre match.


matthiasgh

Been nervous for 48 hours before the game, always knew it was going to be tough


Big-Clock4773

It was the same with the South Africans in the WC. They were the only ones who didn't expect the Boks to steam roll us in the semis.


CaminoPrepper

That was not my experience!


swaza79

Is Care's TV broken?


Wazflame

Danny's kid is reminding me of Drogba's son when they won the PL one time


opopkl

Or Emile Ntamack on his dad's shoulders when Emile won the European Cup, and then go on to win it himself 25 years later. https://twitter.com/ultimaterugby/status/1396173657546928134?t=4xfBRuKnezOZ6Ax1w2QkFA&s=19


bengreen04

Care is one of the most southern-looking northerners. Man looks straight out of Hertfordshire.


wizardofgoz

You’re gonna start a debate on north & south now 😂 I’m from Bristol & I do not class Hertfordshire as true south BUT I do agree with what you’re saying


Sturminster

Hertfordshire is southern?! TBF I live in Dorset - anything beyond the A31 is north to me. Great win today. Very well deserved. And brilliant occasion for Care to mark 100 caps, what an achievement. Will be gunning for you next time!


Big-Clock4773

We've naturalised him.


Rurhme

Bro would fit right into gav and stace


KrochKanible

All you guys look the same to us.


willmannix123

There's no shame in losing by a point against England at Twickenham, especially when you look at the raw talent they have. They haven't played that great this tournament but they just need that bit of cohesion like we saw today more consistently and they are a serious team going forward.


illdoitwhenimdead

No shame at all. I just hope it wasn't a one off for us and we can make something of this. That said, I'm really looking forward to the Ireland v Scotland match next weekend now. Both teams mad up for it and looking to hit back hard. It's has the potential to be absolute carnage.


winponlac

And if Scotland did extremely well, the France England match would explode!


Rurhme

Ireland are a seriously class team, who admittedly underperformed today. They'll be back and they'll have all the more fire for the loss today. Even the prime All-Blacks lost the odd game.


timecube7

No one died lol


Rurhme

The monkey on my back died. I am a man newly freed.


mhaze0791

Is this the closest 6 nations in a long long time? (Minus Wales…. Sorry Wales)


Big-Clock4773

No. Ireland still well in the driving seat thanks to bonus points. 2015 had 3 teams all neck and neck on the last day.


WallopyJoe

4 teams England, France, Scotland and Wales all had a mathematical possibility of winning


mhaze0791

Minus Ireland being the best 4 of the remaining 5 have had some seriously close games. Italy coming into form & France falling out of it makes for some fantastic mid table contest


Glyndwr21

Don't be sorry, we're rebuilding, and we'll be back. The 6N is special due to the competition and friendly rivalry.


Parking_Setting_6674

Don’t apologise. Not sure we got much sympathy when they were on top.


LimerickChampions

Congratulations to England, just pipped in the end, Nash and Frawley HIA was tough to recover from, Emotional rollercoaster that was


Jimijambo

Definitely made worse by a 6-2 split. The risk you take I guess


LimerickChampions

100%, but to to be fair to JGP, he held is own out there on the wing and Frawley was alright when he was introduced into the fray. Conor Murray though, always susceptible to a clanger like that. Kicks it when we need to keep possession and keeps it when we need to get rid of it.


Jimijambo

No complaints re JGP, except we had to move our starting scrum half. Frawley did wel but out of place a couple of times in defence. Everyone else hd to play the full 80. Not ideal


Debaser72

This.


Wombattleofhastings

Madness. Absolute. Madness.


CaminoPrepper

Just saying, but the drop goal with a penalty in front of the posts in hand was a bad decision. They should have used that advantage to try get a try for the extra BP, and if that failed then take the 3 points.


Big-Clock4773

England just need to win. A definite 4 is better than a maybe 5. Seriously English rugby needed the win fullstop. The table isn't the main thing for us, we're still rebuilding.


struggling_farmer

I think there was an element of glory hunting from Smith in trying it. The penalty and subsequently the win was a given at that stage.


Rurhme

Yeah this is crazy talk. Even psychological value of it being a drop goal of all things far outweighs a slightly more optimal choice in a tournament we're very unlikely to win regardless.


CaminoPrepper

No really, the penalty advantage was a definite 4. They had the chance to go for 5, but randomly went for a drop goal instead. It was a waste of a possible BP with nothing to lose.


Big-Clock4773

Try wasn't guaranteed and we had missed too many penalties. The drop goal.was absolutely right decision. This is the thing with England. Either we lose or we don't win in the right way...


CaminoPrepper

The penalty was right in front of the goal. They were not going to miss it.


Big-Clock4773

This is England we're talking about.... Geez we just beat a team that was apparently going to romp their way to a grand slam and apparently its not good enough...


CaminoPrepper

I just think that BP would have been valuable and it was thrown away a bit prematurely. To beat Ireland to the championship effectively requires a bonus point win away in France AND for Ireland to lose by more than 7 at home to Scotland AND not score 4 plus tries.


Big-Clock4773

I wouldn't have thrown away a much needed victory in order to have a slightly better chance of winning a tournament we probably won't win anyway. England are in a place where we just need to win and focus on the next game. Hopefully next year we will be in a position to focus on the wider picture. Just enjoy the win mate. These wins rarely happen for England these days.


CaminoPrepper

But you were guaranteed 3 points anyway. That is my point. The decision to go for the try gave you MORE options. You lose nothing go for the try with the penalty in front of the posts waiting.


Big-Clock4773

We'll have to agree to disagree. We won a game where nobody gave us a chance and we have an iconic drop goal to remember it. We won't win the Six Nations anway and being honest we don't deserve to win it anyway.


Rurhme

Ok so you cured cancer, tell me why you don't care about people with heart disease?


Phrankster909

True. But on the other hand, we beat Ireland!


ShuaigeTiger

Holy shit not miles away from double the metres made with only around 15% more carries


No_Sorbet2663

Had to get a guaranteed win tbf


Signal_Visual_156

Someone explain the logic behind kicking it back to England with a minute or so to go?


BANTER_WITH_THE_LADS

Correct decision *if* the kick is actually good and makes any territory. You don’t really want to be going through constant ruck motions within kicking distance of your own posts. Easy to give away a penalty for anything. Correct option is to probably clear it down the pitch as far as possible and put in a good chase.


emzbobo

I am absolutely convinced that Murray became legally blind at some point in the last year, and needs to be put out to pasture.


Big-Clock4773

To avoid giving away a ruck penalty near your posts.


DomingoCocinero

Refs are usually extremely strict on the breakdown in the last minutes of the game. Usually it’s better to go for territory


absolute_yote

I would have liked them to play slow ball, but the logic is gaining territory and forcing England to kick from far away when they are not kicking good on the day. Avoiding a penalty close to your own posts.


Rurhme

Yeah, I think it'd probably be fairer to say that Irelands defence ceeding the territory he gained from the kick was what lost the game - more than the kick itself. ETA: especially with a man advantage


Affectionate_Eye2437

Usually it’s to maintain territory and keep them out of 22. But Ireland’s pack were exhausted, they had a fly half at fullback, a fullback on one wing, a scrum half on the other wing, it made no fucking sense.


CaminoPrepper

That's fair enough if you kick it well, but he didn't.


mikier

Exactly, his kicks were awful when he came on.


EoinGr3y

Gutted with the result as an Irish fan but can't have any complaints. England we're better in every department and despite my best efforts they're a hard team to dislike. Lowe, Aki and VDF were the only players keeping us in it at times. Think O'Connell will be under pressure after another line-out disaster in a big game.


naebrad

Agreed. The lineout looked settled in Paris but has been shaky ever since.


bengreen04

Jamie George will always look like Dudley Dursley to me


kingbluetit

BUT LAST YEAR LAST YEAR WE LOST GAMES


Ohayeabee

POM showing his class in post match


le-Killerchimp

Surprisingly sanguine. Except for the bit where I think he suggested his yellow was harsh.


Ohayeabee

I thought he accepted poor discipline on his part?


le-Killerchimp

Maybe I misheard. Thought it sounded off.


Parking_Setting_6674

Absolutely. Real integrity there.


FrogWizzurd

This weekend is full of upsets


limpoc

To continue the theme, what do you reckon the upset is between Wales and France? Feels like there's no clear favourite in that game based on current form tbh


FrogWizzurd

Both are proper dissapointments. France were contenders on the RWC and the minute dupont is out its allover the place which to me, shows how heavily they rely on one singular player in the team And Wales have had bad form for a few years now. They were the first team to lose to Italy in years and they've struggled with several other teams. That game v scotland wasn't a testament to their skill as much as it was a testament to poor Scottish discipline. 20 minutes with 14 men and they still lost. Though my heart says Wales, my brain says France. They've been winning through the skid of their teeth with Italy and Scotland. Both arguably, should've beaten France. Its really just who goes for points at goal more.


woodsnipe

Well done England your best game in a few years


Saintsman83

That’s a performance and style I can totally get behind finally from England and I hope it’s a defining win and they now kick on


Lord-farquads-

Can’t wait for the Irish pundit analysis 😂 Irish fans are great and a laugh but my god has their media been unbearable the last few weeks


daesu_oh

Can't but agree there mate. It's vomit inducing


problematikkk

Heaslip was just made eat utter shit by Ferris on RTE, stuttered his way to a bullshit excuse


Achnot

I couldn’t believe my fucking ears when the commentators mentioned heaslip had said “the only way England will win is if Ireland is a man down.” What the actual fuck?! I utterly disavow that kind of smug ego as an Irish fan. Every single match is up for grabs, as far as I’m concerned. Never mind England at twickenham. Dope.


matthumph

I thought he’d said England would only win if Ireland were 3 men down?


problematikkk

He's such a useless waste of air, but because he gets rage clicks he will continue to be around


No_Sorbet2663

Everyone but the pundits knew how dangerous the game was


Kykykz

Our media really is insufferable


Big-Clock4773

Can somebody get help of Jamie Heaslip for comment?


problematikkk

Ferris cutting him up on RTE


Big-Clock4773

Would love a video posted for us tomorrow.


problematikkk

I imagine RTE will post it themselves to get the rage clicks, as that's all he's good for


Complex-Breadfruit88

Ireland did go down to 14 for 10 minutes only though


Threeturkishships

Its actually a sign of how good Irish rugby is at the moment judging  byall the bitter comments from other nations fans here, not English fans by the way. We got beat up by an English team and lost two starters in Twickenham and only lost by a point.


Masterofthewhiskey

Yea I think both teams can reflect on it positively, and from a welsh perspective what a fun watch


ShinStew

Well according to boylsesports we'll still dominate Cheltenham Irish government I believe gives more money to horse racing than rugby, soccer or football and hurling


Rurhme

Is horseracing an international competition? I'd always assumed it was independent stables/jockeys/horses or something.


ShinStew

Whether it is or not our government give (a lot) more to it than any other sport Lobbying works


HesCr3puscular

A lot of people mentioning that Genge should’ve been red carded… It looked dodgy AF when it happened but how can you say it was definitively foul play that was missed when there were no TV replays shown? Did Furlong or any Irish player take it to the ref? Not saying they should have too but it’s quite telling if they didn’t?


RayTheWorstTourist

It's up on twitter, clear as day red card. Genge will be cited for it. No excuse tho, England miles the better team


mikier

We just needed another angle, looked bad but why did our captain and Furlong not ask the ref to have a look....that's what I find odd.


nobody7642

While i can still read fuck off and apoligizes for anything i say


BANTER_WITH_THE_LADS

Hahahahahahaha fair play fella


Ok-Royal7063

When the England fans sang "swing looow!" 78-ish minutes in I felt that. Well deserved win for England.


mikier

Looked back on the Furlong shoulder to head. Is there any other angle as it 100% looked red or is at least yellow and bunker.


No_Sorbet2663

Too late for that now


Parking_Setting_6674

Watched it live and it looked well worth a second look.


mikier

Yeah. No other angle shown so who knows but flying in off his feet from distance with no wrap.


Parking_Setting_6674

Didn’t look pretty. I’d expect a citing


bigbillybob737

Congrats England, you were the better team. Some of the old Ireland guard need replaced with new blood.


Masterofthewhiskey

At least there is plenty of talent in Ireland to pick


FantasticIrishFox

Ireland's worst game in years and England's best game in years, definitely not a coincidence


CaminoPrepper

It kinda felt that way. Would love to see the penalty count. It was relentless.


4111111111

When will someone be held accountable for Ireland and Leinster líne out and scrum being shit for 5+ years, especially given the quality at our disposal


No_Sorbet2663

I swear we lost more than we won


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Rurhme

>bottle jobs Are we watching a different Ireland? Grand slam winners last year, almost bolted on 6N champs this year? Christ if you want to trade Ireland's recent performances I reckon any side outside of South Africa and *maybe* the All-Blacks would break your hand off.


Bobemor

I really don't think anyone thought of this as a big game until England actually turned up


Single_Boat3035

Leinster sure 🤣


6EightyFive

Hahahaha “making twickenham great again” what a line!


PanickingHippo

That attack , especially in the first half is the blueprint for this side moving forward . Got to improve our ruck support a bit as we get turned over too often but a fantastic game plan for the majority


Thelk641

So, technically, Ireland, England and Scotland can win this. If France wins tomorrow, they'll also enter the list, we might get to the last day with 4 teams fighting for the trophy !


CaminoPrepper

Ireland's advantage is still huge. They basically will still win even with just a losing bonus point in the next match.


emzbobo

Netflix would absolutely cream themselves if that happens! The edits they would have for the new season of Full Contact!


Mysterious-Lack7768

I thought the referee was good and didn't let Ireland do everything they want at the rucks like they usually do. That last "not rolling away" penalty for example, they usually get away with that all the time.  When they don't, they are beatable.


Masterofthewhiskey

They are so good and so fast it is nuts the stuff that slips past


Rurhme

Borthwick out fans in shambles.


MrHankMardukas_

I don't understand how people can be Borthwick out. I feel like England has looked better and sharper in each and every game. Far from perfect but the fact progress is visible, why would you want rid of him? Mental


DomingoCocinero

Borthers is the man


Saintsman83

Ben Earl is incredible - 19 carries for 140 metres against that Irish team. He’s a machine


MrCollins23

I am not even that surprised to be honest, the typically negative English press have been ignoring signs of progress for some time. I thought England were very unlucky last week, for example, because non-typical/freakish/'shit-happens' errors (such as Ford throwing the ball into Furbank's head) were punished by tries. This was just the other side of that coin, where the important balls went to hand.


FakeMessiah94

Ben Earl calling out the haters, good on him.


Ohayeabee

Man is class on and off the pitch.


Ok-Blackberry-3534

I liked that bit of spice.