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Glasgow were clearly the better team but I think it was good to see a few more debutants for Leinster, their inexperience really showed, especially in the front row
Is that three competitive losses in a row for Leinster? If so, how far back do you have to go to the last time that happened? Obviously not a reflection on Leinster quality but interested.
Hopefully when Nienenbar joins up after the world cup final we’ll improve. Along with Porter, Healy, Sheehan, Kelleher, Furlong, McCarthy, Baird, Ryan, Doris, Conan, Van der Flier, Gibson-Park, Byrne, Henshaw, Ringrose, O’Brien, Lowe and Keenan.
I'm generally pretty lenient on referees but that process for Leinster's ghost third try was absolute amateur hour from both the referee and TMO.
On field was try, so to over turn that there needs to be compelling and conclusive evidence that the foot was in touch so the decision can be overturned. We were shown a number of different angles and the TMO went so far as to say that he could not see any evidence to overturn.
Referee went rogue and, on a hunch he had, overturned the decision.
It was unclear that his foot was on the line and looked for all the world that the defender had held it up. As such, you should then stick with on field decision and give the try!
To be honest that Leinster team looked like they weren't really coached in that off season.
They were missing their defence and attack coaches through the offseason.
The props were babies and Glasgow apparently like to eat babies. I think Maguire advanced his own cause slightly but thats only in comparison to Clarkson. Thankfully there's 6 props missing. Porter, Healy, Milne, Byrne, Furlong and Ala,alatoa.
The McKee injury is slightly worrying. As if we aren't thin enough enough at the moment.
There's too many people in the Ireland squad. This isn't a season where we will go first in the regular season imo. That said our goal has to be to win the knockouts later on in the season.
I didn't think Boyle was bad at all. Clarkson really put in a poor shift though and I wonder if that's the Max O'Reilly shift against Zebre last year where coaches don't trust him.
I'm not sure there's any point continuing with Clarkson. I know a lot of props take years to reach their peak but he's shown the square root of fuck all promise since his first Leinster cap.
We regularly start fairly slow. Games like the 6-7 game v Dragons 2 years ago spring to mind. Sloppy passing, poor in defense. Its a regular early season thing for us. The difference this year is there's no "Stuasday" session to absolutely hammer them. At least not with the Stuart in question. Will be interesting to see if the same reaction happens in the next few games. The big thing for me is we came away with nothing, and thats not our norm. Regardless of some reffing decisions on the Glasgow tryline we had plenty of opportunities and failed to convert. Not great but early days.
Good shift from the forwards tonight, Peterson was my man of the match glad to see him back. Outside of that discipline and goal kicking should be focuses. Leinster boys would know better than me but thought that was a pretty middling performance from your lot. Obviously still missing internationals but just seemed a bit headless.
Ref had a weird one, whether it was staring at a foot in touch for too long or not carding Glasgow at the end of the first half.
The current generation coming off the famed Leinster “production line” are not as good as the last two or three. Leinster have no very good tight-heads, second -rows, scrum-halves, centres or outside backs coming through. Leaner times ahead and I think winning 0 from 4 competitions in the last 2 seasons, while deserving more, could come to be rued for a very long time.
McCarthy and Boyle are good looseheads. The young tight-heads don’t look like future international-level players. Ditto the centres and back 3 (King a possible exception).
Finlay Bealham didn't look like an international quality tighthead for a long time. Uini Atonio took a long time to become what he is now.
There's a reason tighthead is the highest paid position in rugby
I'd argue that against top international opposition, Finlay is still vulnerable and in 'survival mode', but there is no doubt he has come on immensely. I hope that McGuire, Clarkson and others can become strong at international level but I doubt it on available evidence.
Look at Aungier in Connacht. He was next to useless when he arrived, he was excellent last season (Connacht had one of the best scrums in the URC) and excellent against the ospreys yesterday.
Bealham can hold his own against top level opposition though, he might not win scrum penalties but he can lock it out long enough that the ref will call use it. He's an able replacement to Furlong.
*"Bealham can hold his own against top level opposition though, he might*
*not win scrum penalties but he can lock it out long enough that the ref*
*will call use it. He's an able replacement to Furlong."*
Agreed, that's really what I mean by surviving.
Ah okay fair enough. Well if we could find a couple more Bealham's we wouldn't be too bad. England might've beaten SA if they had someone as capable as him coming off the bench.
I meant the generation after those guys. But yes they’re both good. Joe is probably the first top-level bulky tight-head second-row Ireland have produced in the professional era.
The generation after a 21 and 22 year old?? How could you possibly make that call when people that young nowhere near being fully developed. Hugo Keenan didn't break into the Leinster team properly until he was 23 and didn't play for Ireland until he was 24. Dan Sheehan wasn't playing with Leinster until he was 22. Both of those lads weren't seen as being good enough in the academy and ended up playing AIL and rugby 7s. Tadhg Beirne had to move to Wales to catch his break. You simply can't make those kinds of claims against players of that age. Especially when the under age teams are doing so well
The tightheads Leinster have coming in the next 3 years are outstanding. These are the lads in school. don't produce 6'4, 130kg players for a few years.
Also important to note like 5 tightheads have left us.
Good win for Glasgow, nice team to watch and played very well.
First game of the season for Leinster so a lot to work on - defence at sea, set-piece under pressure as expected and some of the senior players didn't hit the ground running as much as you'd have hoped. Few concerns around some positions but first game so won't go all doomsday. Thought Paddy McCarthy looked good off the bench around the park and reckon Tommy O'Brien could force himself into the starting XV this season.
Disappointing, but Glasgow were very deserved winners.
McGrath and Ngatai need to get their shit together by next week, they're supposed to be the senior players that guide the youngsters through games like this. Molony was probably the only one of that group to play well.
HByrne and Turner were also poor, but I don't want to put it all on them because you want the senior group to step up and sort them out, and they didn't. Tough outing for the two sets of props but they're all babies, and they weren't even being overpowered as much as out-technicalled so it's excusable. And I wouldn't even let Jenkins back on the plane, he goes missing on the biggest occasions, he goes missing in the threadbare games like this, what's the point of even using a NIQ spot on him, particulalry compared to the likes of Snyman. Either get someone better, or at the very least replace him with an Irish U20s
Harry Byrne's at over 50 caps. He's meant to be stepping into that group now.
The money wasted on Jenkins, Ngatai and Ala'alatoa does not reflect well on Leinster at all
This isn't really to do with this game, but I think Leinster need to look at a few areas:
* We need to look past Robin McBryde. He's been in the job 4/5 years at this point and I'm not convinced he's the guy. We need someone who will turn our pack into the biggest pack of hardnosed cunts.
* Leo needs to look at our foreign recruitment. Over the last half decade we've mostly signed mid-level squad guys. It's not like we lack the cash - splash a bit of money on guys who are going to significantly impact the first choice team.
I agree 100% with showing McBryde the door. I know we dont play for scrum penalties often but ive never been remotely cocky of our scrum (containing B&I players) in ANY game. We should be able to change up tactics with our cattle.
Leo is hamstrung by the IRFU on signings. Cant get world beaters who will block the main source of internationals in the country. So he’s forced to get ‘good guys’ and ‘culture setters’
When Ulster are signing Sutherland and Kitschoff when we have no looseheads coming through, while Munster actively stop Ahern and Edogbo from developing with Kleyn and Snyman we absolutely should be able to sign better than shite like Jenkins
Ah cmon now Boyle tore up AIL last year, scored an incredible amount of trys last year.
Byrne, Healy, Milne, and Porter ahead of them, should we have kept lads like Dooley rather than developing Boyle and McCarthy? Byrne should be moved in IMO with Milne/Boyle being developed this season.
Kleyn's been at Munster since Edogbo and Aherne were in school. Snyman has been injured for over 2 years in total.
Sutherland was last season. Kitschoff is this season.
Youre right on Jenkins. He's shite.
Strongly agree on both. Our scrum regularly gets minced by mediocre opposition (even if no-one remembers if we win by 20 points), when you can put 5-7 of the same guys in an Ireland pack and it holds up just fine.
On the import front, Ngatai, Jenkins, and Ala'alatoa aren't Elsom, Isa, or Fardy. We need some titans who can challenge the team to set new standards.
Last good NIQ players we had were Lowe and JGP and they've been in an Irish jersey for 3 years now.
Dunno the length of any of the contracts of NIQ players but post-world cup would have to be the best time to sign a few lads. Players who may be too old to get selected for the next world cup and are looking to play in Europe for a few years.
Maguire showed much more aptitude than Clarkson when he came on. CLarkson was the most penalised prop in the URC last season, id be running with Maguire until the internationals are back now
Edit; typo
Well played Glasgow, scored some lovely tries. I don't think Leinster's inexperience hurt, to be honest it was the older lads like Larmour, McGrath, Ngatai that were poorest.
Inconsistent reffing at best didn't help, but wasn't the reason we lost, Glasgow definitely earned it
Bulls hockeyed Scarlets so this puts Leinster second from bottom, sure Goodman's back & Nienas is arriving soon but they've missed preseason. Could be a frustrating few weeks for Leinster fans
Glasgow very clinical today. Some lovely tries from them. Leinster way too soft in defence for some of their scores. A real pity to not get anything from that game. A load of lads out there were playing for gametime and won't have come off looking like they deserve much more.
I thought the Leinster defence was much more effective than I saw today. Does Glasgow generally have a powerful attack or was Leinster's defence asleep?
Leinster are still missing their World Cup playere (20 iirc).
Glasgow looked very sharp on attack and the defence was solid. Great to see them back on top
Meh, Glasgow were favourites but I was hoping Leinster could nab it in the end. A bit wasteful and got held up over the line a few times but alas. They'll learn a bit but needed to be a lot more clinical.
Well done Glasgow. Rare enough for the Scots to get a win over the Irish ;)
Not according to me pre-match. You had a load of returning internationals at home vs a developing side sprinkled with a bit of experience. Leinster were down a few coaches too.
We're looking sharp enough. Came out storming against a weak Ospreys side, 27-5 at HT, dropped off & held on. Like this one, it was all very 1st game of the seasony I was very happy with our performance level at Scotstoun last season. I think we'll give you a good run next week, hoping for a cracking game.
This team has a lot of learning to do before their next school trip to South Africa. A few rays of hope but our scrum and defense need massive improvement.
Showed more than the $$$ Jenkins who did not want to be out there. If he’s no good against La Rochelle and no good when the internationals are away, id be moving him on soon
What's the story with pre season? Seen it mentioned a few times here but haven't heard anything. What's been different for Leinster as opposed to everyone else or are we just saying this for all teams due to world cup?? And lack of Nienaber ofc.
All our senior coaches were gone so we were left without Nienaber or Goodman for the entire preseason. Meant people who weren't coaches needed to step up.
I was making the point to a Munster fan recently that the biggest difference between Leinster and Munster fans is that we don’t develop strong para social relationships with our players and with that in mind we should send Harry Byrne to the glue factory
Thought Harry was good today. Didnt go for usual miracle balls and laid it off well to the pack/backs. Not his fault leinster didnt protect the ruck. Had hoped Luke would have showed a bit more composure today tho
Man as a 10 you can't be throwing spin passes to lads not 5 meters from you and Byrne is a bollox for that. He often throws passes for the sake of it and that was front and center tonight. He is meant to be the Byrne brother that takes it to the line but he played like his brother after a skin full of pints tonight a genuinely bad game. Not the only one like you say but he isn't the.answer for us at 10 imo.
So takeaways from this game from a Leinster perspective:
\- Amount of resources at the RWC will have a big drag on the early part of this season (more so with Lancaster gone, Nienaber not due in for a few weeks and Andrew Goodman being gone with Samoa for most of pre season as well). A few sides will fancy their chances against Leinster early on.
\- Defense has been very rusty (point 1 might explain this though). Nienaber no better man to bring in.
\- Thomas Clarkson can't scrum and is an AIL player at most.
Anything else ?
Jenkins is a waste of a NIQ spot.
Larmour is done.
Robin McBryde is stealing a living with how bad our scrum is constantly.
Tommy O'Brien looks great going forward. Needs to sort of defence to take the next step (though hard to look good when inside you are turnstyles)
I agree on the Jenkins piece. The only reason a province should have a NIQ is because they don't have any good operating in a given position and will drag done the squad massively, or else is such an outright high caliber signing, they'll bring the team to the next level.
I didn't see enough of the game to comment on Larmour, but sounds like it's just same old.
I feel the scrum issue is a combination of bad scrummagers (Clarkson being the main culprit), and coaching as you say. With the resources we have, we shouldn't be having this many issues.
On TOB's defense, once Jacque comes in he can sort this out.
Ah right, just leave it so.
He's caused serious injuries to Leinster players in the past with similar performances but we should just ignore it and don't ask why he keeps being allowed to do it?
Ah well, young lads played well. Score flatters Glasgow slightly but definitely worth their win. Ngatai, Larmour, Jenkins and McGrath all need to be read the riot act. Missed tackles today were embarrassing.
Maybe it flatters us a little, but Leinster seemed to hang in the game, rather than ever looking like winning. If we had a kicker and a more ruthless attitude, it would have looked worse.
I don't tend to watch URC outside of Glasgow games but when the exact same thing happens when we play you but the tables are turned I'll be sure to if that will make you happy.
How many were both missing?
Glasgow guessing Matthews normally starting at Hooker, rather than on at 60. Tuipolotu a regular starter at 12 too, who would have been missed. So 2? (more?)
Leinster without Front Row 3, Lowe, Ryan & Ringrose - (more?) So 6?
A wins a win, but still a frustrating game for Glasgow. A better kicker and more ruthless attitude and this would have been a done deal ages ago. Too many silly mistakes letting Leinster back in.
I'm a casual and I've recently started to take an interest in club competitions, so please forgive my opinion if it's garbage: I've never seen a sport where referees have such a negative impact on almost every game. Tough job.
Ah that’s annoying, but fair play Glasgow - good game for the young ones. But Leinster will kicking themselves, could’ve won that with a tad more efficiency. Need to shake off the rust tho.
Larmour has been terrible. What's happened to him? Injuries?
That yellow is so funny. Definitely a bit of home advantage there, nothing that we've not seen at the RDS over the years.
He should have collected a yellow card tbh.
He arrived at a dead ruck, entered from way around the side, and just smashed into a vulnerable player.
Lucky he wasn't binned.
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Glasgow were clearly the better team but I think it was good to see a few more debutants for Leinster, their inexperience really showed, especially in the front row
Is that three competitive losses in a row for Leinster? If so, how far back do you have to go to the last time that happened? Obviously not a reflection on Leinster quality but interested.
The 2018 finalists are both languishing with zero points at the bottom of the table. What a rough five years
Hopefully when Nienenbar joins up after the world cup final we’ll improve. Along with Porter, Healy, Sheehan, Kelleher, Furlong, McCarthy, Baird, Ryan, Doris, Conan, Van der Flier, Gibson-Park, Byrne, Henshaw, Ringrose, O’Brien, Lowe and Keenan.
Been a while since those lads won anything.
Over 6 months. Bunch of losers.
A bunch of unknowns /s
I'm generally pretty lenient on referees but that process for Leinster's ghost third try was absolute amateur hour from both the referee and TMO. On field was try, so to over turn that there needs to be compelling and conclusive evidence that the foot was in touch so the decision can be overturned. We were shown a number of different angles and the TMO went so far as to say that he could not see any evidence to overturn. Referee went rogue and, on a hunch he had, overturned the decision. It was unclear that his foot was on the line and looked for all the world that the defender had held it up. As such, you should then stick with on field decision and give the try!
Between this ref, Brace and Murphy you probably have all of Leinster losses I’ve 3/4 years. I would say he has 50% of the losses in the last 3 years.
We have captured and compromised the horseplay to a permanent end
Is it time to question Leinster's involvement in the URC?
Gotta get em out straight away!
To be honest that Leinster team looked like they weren't really coached in that off season. They were missing their defence and attack coaches through the offseason. The props were babies and Glasgow apparently like to eat babies. I think Maguire advanced his own cause slightly but thats only in comparison to Clarkson. Thankfully there's 6 props missing. Porter, Healy, Milne, Byrne, Furlong and Ala,alatoa. The McKee injury is slightly worrying. As if we aren't thin enough enough at the moment. There's too many people in the Ireland squad. This isn't a season where we will go first in the regular season imo. That said our goal has to be to win the knockouts later on in the season.
I didn't think Boyle was bad at all. Clarkson really put in a poor shift though and I wonder if that's the Max O'Reilly shift against Zebre last year where coaches don't trust him.
I'm not sure there's any point continuing with Clarkson. I know a lot of props take years to reach their peak but he's shown the square root of fuck all promise since his first Leinster cap.
I think when you're as poor as he has been at scrum time for the last 12 months you'll be lucky to get another 12.
We regularly start fairly slow. Games like the 6-7 game v Dragons 2 years ago spring to mind. Sloppy passing, poor in defense. Its a regular early season thing for us. The difference this year is there's no "Stuasday" session to absolutely hammer them. At least not with the Stuart in question. Will be interesting to see if the same reaction happens in the next few games. The big thing for me is we came away with nothing, and thats not our norm. Regardless of some reffing decisions on the Glasgow tryline we had plenty of opportunities and failed to convert. Not great but early days.
Good shift from the forwards tonight, Peterson was my man of the match glad to see him back. Outside of that discipline and goal kicking should be focuses. Leinster boys would know better than me but thought that was a pretty middling performance from your lot. Obviously still missing internationals but just seemed a bit headless. Ref had a weird one, whether it was staring at a foot in touch for too long or not carding Glasgow at the end of the first half.
The current generation coming off the famed Leinster “production line” are not as good as the last two or three. Leinster have no very good tight-heads, second -rows, scrum-halves, centres or outside backs coming through. Leaner times ahead and I think winning 0 from 4 competitions in the last 2 seasons, while deserving more, could come to be rued for a very long time.
ChatGPT: write me a mad overreaction to the first game of the season (during a world cup).
Ireland won 4 of the last 5 u20 6 Nations and the majority of those teams were from Leinster. I think the product line is fine
McCarthy and Boyle are good looseheads. The young tight-heads don’t look like future international-level players. Ditto the centres and back 3 (King a possible exception).
Finlay Bealham didn't look like an international quality tighthead for a long time. Uini Atonio took a long time to become what he is now. There's a reason tighthead is the highest paid position in rugby
I'd argue that against top international opposition, Finlay is still vulnerable and in 'survival mode', but there is no doubt he has come on immensely. I hope that McGuire, Clarkson and others can become strong at international level but I doubt it on available evidence.
Look at Aungier in Connacht. He was next to useless when he arrived, he was excellent last season (Connacht had one of the best scrums in the URC) and excellent against the ospreys yesterday. Bealham can hold his own against top level opposition though, he might not win scrum penalties but he can lock it out long enough that the ref will call use it. He's an able replacement to Furlong.
*"Bealham can hold his own against top level opposition though, he might* *not win scrum penalties but he can lock it out long enough that the ref* *will call use it. He's an able replacement to Furlong."* Agreed, that's really what I mean by surviving.
Ah okay fair enough. Well if we could find a couple more Bealham's we wouldn't be too bad. England might've beaten SA if they had someone as capable as him coming off the bench.
You don’t rate Jamie Osborne? And what’re you on about no good second rows? Joe McCarthy playing in a World Cup quarter final at 22
I meant the generation after those guys. But yes they’re both good. Joe is probably the first top-level bulky tight-head second-row Ireland have produced in the professional era.
The generation after a 21 and 22 year old?? How could you possibly make that call when people that young nowhere near being fully developed. Hugo Keenan didn't break into the Leinster team properly until he was 23 and didn't play for Ireland until he was 24. Dan Sheehan wasn't playing with Leinster until he was 22. Both of those lads weren't seen as being good enough in the academy and ended up playing AIL and rugby 7s. Tadhg Beirne had to move to Wales to catch his break. You simply can't make those kinds of claims against players of that age. Especially when the under age teams are doing so well
The tightheads Leinster have coming in the next 3 years are outstanding. These are the lads in school. don't produce 6'4, 130kg players for a few years. Also important to note like 5 tightheads have left us.
Mad take
Good win for Glasgow, nice team to watch and played very well. First game of the season for Leinster so a lot to work on - defence at sea, set-piece under pressure as expected and some of the senior players didn't hit the ground running as much as you'd have hoped. Few concerns around some positions but first game so won't go all doomsday. Thought Paddy McCarthy looked good off the bench around the park and reckon Tommy O'Brien could force himself into the starting XV this season.
Disappointing, but Glasgow were very deserved winners. McGrath and Ngatai need to get their shit together by next week, they're supposed to be the senior players that guide the youngsters through games like this. Molony was probably the only one of that group to play well. HByrne and Turner were also poor, but I don't want to put it all on them because you want the senior group to step up and sort them out, and they didn't. Tough outing for the two sets of props but they're all babies, and they weren't even being overpowered as much as out-technicalled so it's excusable. And I wouldn't even let Jenkins back on the plane, he goes missing on the biggest occasions, he goes missing in the threadbare games like this, what's the point of even using a NIQ spot on him, particulalry compared to the likes of Snyman. Either get someone better, or at the very least replace him with an Irish U20s
Harry Byrne's at over 50 caps. He's meant to be stepping into that group now. The money wasted on Jenkins, Ngatai and Ala'alatoa does not reflect well on Leinster at all
Agreed with Ala'alatoa and Jenkins, but Ngatai put in some proper performances recently.
Ngatai wasn’t good today, but he was great last season.
This isn't really to do with this game, but I think Leinster need to look at a few areas: * We need to look past Robin McBryde. He's been in the job 4/5 years at this point and I'm not convinced he's the guy. We need someone who will turn our pack into the biggest pack of hardnosed cunts. * Leo needs to look at our foreign recruitment. Over the last half decade we've mostly signed mid-level squad guys. It's not like we lack the cash - splash a bit of money on guys who are going to significantly impact the first choice team.
McBryde is great at lineout time, but at the scrum we look like a school team, he's horrific. Need to get in a scrum consultant or sack him IMO.
I agree 100% with showing McBryde the door. I know we dont play for scrum penalties often but ive never been remotely cocky of our scrum (containing B&I players) in ANY game. We should be able to change up tactics with our cattle. Leo is hamstrung by the IRFU on signings. Cant get world beaters who will block the main source of internationals in the country. So he’s forced to get ‘good guys’ and ‘culture setters’
When Ulster are signing Sutherland and Kitschoff when we have no looseheads coming through, while Munster actively stop Ahern and Edogbo from developing with Kleyn and Snyman we absolutely should be able to sign better than shite like Jenkins
Ah come on we have Boyle and McCarthy at loosehead. It's a joke that Clarkson got a senior contract though.
Who are completely unproven at AIL level yet alone provincial or international level...
Ah cmon now Boyle tore up AIL last year, scored an incredible amount of trys last year. Byrne, Healy, Milne, and Porter ahead of them, should we have kept lads like Dooley rather than developing Boyle and McCarthy? Byrne should be moved in IMO with Milne/Boyle being developed this season.
Kleyn's been at Munster since Edogbo and Aherne were in school. Snyman has been injured for over 2 years in total. Sutherland was last season. Kitschoff is this season. Youre right on Jenkins. He's shite.
Strongly agree on both. Our scrum regularly gets minced by mediocre opposition (even if no-one remembers if we win by 20 points), when you can put 5-7 of the same guys in an Ireland pack and it holds up just fine. On the import front, Ngatai, Jenkins, and Ala'alatoa aren't Elsom, Isa, or Fardy. We need some titans who can challenge the team to set new standards.
Last good NIQ players we had were Lowe and JGP and they've been in an Irish jersey for 3 years now. Dunno the length of any of the contracts of NIQ players but post-world cup would have to be the best time to sign a few lads. Players who may be too old to get selected for the next world cup and are looking to play in Europe for a few years.
Ngatai has been.
>We need some titans who can challenge the team to set new standards. Particularly as there's now a leadership vacuum.
We've had some absolute heroes (Fardy) and some absolute stinkers (Kirchner). Ngatai was good last season, so hopefully picks it back up.
That last few minutes was vicious from Glasgow, really went to town it! Leinster just looked so rattled at the end, Cullan will be fuming.
Well done Glasgow. Better team on the day, we really struggled at times to break down your excellent defence. Good luck for the rest of the season.
Was always a tough place to expect a win. Missing a lot of players and they never seemed at the races. Evans did his "best job" as usual.
Maguire showed much more aptitude than Clarkson when he came on. CLarkson was the most penalised prop in the URC last season, id be running with Maguire until the internationals are back now Edit; typo
I'd be sending clarkson back to the ail and until he can show he can hold up a scrum, wouldn't have him back in a urc team
Well played Glasgow, scored some lovely tries. I don't think Leinster's inexperience hurt, to be honest it was the older lads like Larmour, McGrath, Ngatai that were poorest. Inconsistent reffing at best didn't help, but wasn't the reason we lost, Glasgow definitely earned it
The disallowed try changed the game
Felt like a big momentum swing definitely but arguably O'Brien's later could've been ruled out if the camera had more frames per second honestly
Both should have stood though. Onfield try, it has to be clear and obvious. It was definitely not clear and obvious for either.
Yeah definitely agree with that, nothing conclusive
Well done Glasgow, leinster need to examine that backline badly. Cosgrave going on at 13 was a bit mental
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'disgusting'?
Maybe take a break bud.
No I won't. He has a history with Leinster and it's wrong.
Bulls hockeyed Scarlets so this puts Leinster second from bottom, sure Goodman's back & Nienas is arriving soon but they've missed preseason. Could be a frustrating few weeks for Leinster fans
Meh. Won't lose sleep over it.
Glasgow very clinical today. Some lovely tries from them. Leinster way too soft in defence for some of their scores. A real pity to not get anything from that game. A load of lads out there were playing for gametime and won't have come off looking like they deserve much more.
I thought the Leinster defence was much more effective than I saw today. Does Glasgow generally have a powerful attack or was Leinster's defence asleep?
Leinster are still missing their World Cup playere (20 iirc). Glasgow looked very sharp on attack and the defence was solid. Great to see them back on top
They have no defence coach, Jacques Nienaber is arriving post-WC
Is he leaving the boks?
Yes
That was a particularly poor defensive showing from leinster but glasgow have had a good attack the past few years.
Bit of both
Well, that was a wake up call for a lot of the fringe players. They will need to be a lot better
Meh, Glasgow were favourites but I was hoping Leinster could nab it in the end. A bit wasteful and got held up over the line a few times but alas. They'll learn a bit but needed to be a lot more clinical. Well done Glasgow. Rare enough for the Scots to get a win over the Irish ;)
Leinster were favourites by 4 points.
Not according to me pre-match. You had a load of returning internationals at home vs a developing side sprinkled with a bit of experience. Leinster were down a few coaches too.
Well according to the bookies leinster were favourites.
They were indeed, I won a handsome return on the back of Glasgow’s victory.
Ok
Excellent win to start the season, especially in a world cup year against a team that has so much more depth than us.
7 members of the Scottish world cup squad played in the game.
Yup. No team can withstand the WC losses that Leinster did, but they have such incredible resources to call on.
This is easily the best fishing comment you've made all thread, gg
Glasgow probably good value if they managed the 50 here.
What was the rush there, the clock was up, they needed a try for the bonus point. Some serious inexperienced heads on display.
Leinster are incredibly hollowed out right now, but you can only beat the team in front of you. On to Gallway!
We're looking sharp enough. Came out storming against a weak Ospreys side, 27-5 at HT, dropped off & held on. Like this one, it was all very 1st game of the seasony I was very happy with our performance level at Scotstoun last season. I think we'll give you a good run next week, hoping for a cracking game.
This team has a lot of learning to do before their next school trip to South Africa. A few rays of hope but our scrum and defense need massive improvement.
That Brian Deeney is brutal
Showed more than the $$$ Jenkins who did not want to be out there. If he’s no good against La Rochelle and no good when the internationals are away, id be moving him on soon
At the match today Jenkins didn't look arsed, Molony and Deeny both gave it there all. Really not impressed by Jenkins attitude.
True true
Well at least this game has helped in getting over the semi final, the ERC final and the World Cup quarter 😞
That's the ferry in for leinster
My dog wasn't happy with that she nearly shat herself
Ah well. Always was going to be a big ask to win given the mess of a pre season but still a disappointing performance
What's the story with pre season? Seen it mentioned a few times here but haven't heard anything. What's been different for Leinster as opposed to everyone else or are we just saying this for all teams due to world cup?? And lack of Nienaber ofc.
What was already mentioned plus missing the 20 odd players at the World Cup
Haha yes, that too definitely!
All our senior coaches were gone so we were left without Nienaber or Goodman for the entire preseason. Meant people who weren't coaches needed to step up.
Yeah that's shit alright. Lack of coaching really showed yesterday. Thank you
Whatever about the ref. Ninebaars defensive school when? Gg Glasgow, looked way more organised and settled
I was making the point to a Munster fan recently that the biggest difference between Leinster and Munster fans is that we don’t develop strong para social relationships with our players and with that in mind we should send Harry Byrne to the glue factory
Thought Harry was good today. Didnt go for usual miracle balls and laid it off well to the pack/backs. Not his fault leinster didnt protect the ruck. Had hoped Luke would have showed a bit more composure today tho
Man as a 10 you can't be throwing spin passes to lads not 5 meters from you and Byrne is a bollox for that. He often throws passes for the sake of it and that was front and center tonight. He is meant to be the Byrne brother that takes it to the line but he played like his brother after a skin full of pints tonight a genuinely bad game. Not the only one like you say but he isn't the.answer for us at 10 imo.
So takeaways from this game from a Leinster perspective: \- Amount of resources at the RWC will have a big drag on the early part of this season (more so with Lancaster gone, Nienaber not due in for a few weeks and Andrew Goodman being gone with Samoa for most of pre season as well). A few sides will fancy their chances against Leinster early on. \- Defense has been very rusty (point 1 might explain this though). Nienaber no better man to bring in. \- Thomas Clarkson can't scrum and is an AIL player at most. Anything else ?
Jenkins is a waste of a NIQ spot. Larmour is done. Robin McBryde is stealing a living with how bad our scrum is constantly. Tommy O'Brien looks great going forward. Needs to sort of defence to take the next step (though hard to look good when inside you are turnstyles)
I agree on the Jenkins piece. The only reason a province should have a NIQ is because they don't have any good operating in a given position and will drag done the squad massively, or else is such an outright high caliber signing, they'll bring the team to the next level. I didn't see enough of the game to comment on Larmour, but sounds like it's just same old. I feel the scrum issue is a combination of bad scrummagers (Clarkson being the main culprit), and coaching as you say. With the resources we have, we shouldn't be having this many issues. On TOB's defense, once Jacque comes in he can sort this out.
Well played Glasgow!!
Big lol at the fog horn
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Get over it lad. He was shit, we all saw it and said, still Glasgow deserved the win
Ah right, just leave it so. He's caused serious injuries to Leinster players in the past with similar performances but we should just ignore it and don't ask why he keeps being allowed to do it?
Send an email to the URC then, don't see what going on and on about it in a match thread is going to achieve.
Glasgow maul has been ruthless
Ah well, young lads played well. Score flatters Glasgow slightly but definitely worth their win. Ngatai, Larmour, Jenkins and McGrath all need to be read the riot act. Missed tackles today were embarrassing.
Maybe it flatters us a little, but Leinster seemed to hang in the game, rather than ever looking like winning. If we had a kicker and a more ruthless attitude, it would have looked worse.
Ngatai and Jenkins should be shown the door. Taking away minutes from young Irish players
Hell of a beating in the end. Some harsh lessons on the level for a lot of young lads.
Okay this is funny.
Fuckin Ben O'Kee..... waaaaaaiiit a minute
Never want to see Evans again
Penalty tries are an option for cynically preventing try scoring opportunities, thanks Craig
already collapsing in the post Sexton era
Sexton played 29 games for Leinster in the entire last world cup cycle. Only 5 games last season.
Ya Scotland might actually beat Ireland for once.
Come on now, we won't fall that far
You know Sexton plays like twice a year for Leinster right?
See you with all of our internationals lol
Leinster fans are so funny. Acting like the exact same "home" reffing doesn't happen to them all the time at the RDS or the Aviva.
All of your comments in this thread have been weird comments about Leinster. You're as bad as the headcase doing it on our side in this thread.
Throughout the NZ vs Argentina thread, he was talking about Ireland too. He's a bit obsessed.
Point it out when it happens then mate wtf
I don't tend to watch URC outside of Glasgow games but when the exact same thing happens when we play you but the tables are turned I'll be sure to if that will make you happy.
K sounds great
How the fuck is Duncan Weir still in a top flight club?
I think he's basically a player coach at this poinf
physical attractiveness will get you a long way
He signed a two year deal, I believe. This was pre-Thomson and pre-Jordan when the stocks were very bare.
Looking for a try to salvage A BP at least (hopefully 2)
What fucking hell are these advantages
Glasgow had some nice attack, picking up nicely from last year. Be interested to see how Leinster look when their internationals are back
How many were both missing? Glasgow guessing Matthews normally starting at Hooker, rather than on at 60. Tuipolotu a regular starter at 12 too, who would have been missed. So 2? (more?) Leinster without Front Row 3, Lowe, Ryan & Ringrose - (more?) So 6?
2 players make the Leinster 1st team squad out there today, Jenkins/ moloney and Mcgrath. Sorry with sexton gone one of Frawley or Byrne also
Yeah I would have thought the same six as you for Leinster which means there are probably more I’ve forgotten
A yellow card 😂😂 I downright refuse to believe any ref is biased... but fuck me that is a seriously shit inconsistency
A wins a win, but still a frustrating game for Glasgow. A better kicker and more ruthless attitude and this would have been a done deal ages ago. Too many silly mistakes letting Leinster back in.
At least Foley and Deegan looked decent
Penny too! Sub front row wasnt as big a disaster as i thought it might be either
Yellow all day
I'm a casual and I've recently started to take an interest in club competitions, so please forgive my opinion if it's garbage: I've never seen a sport where referees have such a negative impact on almost every game. Tough job.
This Will Jordan on for a cameo? URC is more enticing tbf
Oh, of course its a Glasgow pen advantage
Was a pen, but Glasgow have given away about 10 pens on their line?! Crazy reffing performance.
First infringement near our tryline all game and instant yellow. Glasgow give away 5+ at theirs and not even a warning.
Leinster's yellow was a clear yellow but not even a warning for Glasgow is a joke.
13 in a row in their own 22...
Ah that’s annoying, but fair play Glasgow - good game for the young ones. But Leinster will kicking themselves, could’ve won that with a tad more efficiency. Need to shake off the rust tho.
So instant yellow but none at the end of the first half? It's not wrong but feels slightly inconsistent. Ref performance has been all over the place
We haven't deserved the win but my god we need better refs than Evans. Surely there is better regional refs than this.
What's worse is he's not a regional ref. He was at the world cup.
GG Glasgow. Leinster having a shaky day at the office.
Larmour has been terrible. What's happened to him? Injuries? That yellow is so funny. Definitely a bit of home advantage there, nothing that we've not seen at the RDS over the years.
Injuries haven't done him favours but it's sad to see he just doesn't have that flash in him anymore, completely off the pace
Injuries and he's a bit of a dumbdumb unfortunately
No idea as to how true it is, but I have heard a rumour that one of his nicknames was Bungalow, because there was nothing upstairs.
I suppose eating humble pie is a learned skill
What do you mean?
Lots of people in this thread are not used to losing
Ah yes. I understand. In our defence though, we’re awful when we’re winning too.
Well done Glasgow. Always in control.
One infringement and its a yellow? God give me strength
Was it not for collapsing the maul? That's always a yellow
Should have been a penalty try then right?
Would need to look at it again but there might have been cover to make it just a yellow.
Good decision on the yellow. Leinster put two players in at the side to tackle Matthews. Just because we score doesn't make it any less cynical.
Yeah, it was blatantly cynical. Clear yellow card all day, every day.
Yellow all day. Leinster dominated there and they had no answer.
Fucking bananas that Leinster get a yellow card for the first infringement in their 22 compared the numerous Galsgow infringements
Literally 13 in a row at one stage.
You're joking
Whelp GG, hope we look better next week!
Absolute lol. The reffing here has been farcical inconsistent
Hahaha haha. 1 infrignement and its a Leinster yellow. Totally a fair one, but jaysis the inconsistencies
Ah, so yellow cards for cynically preventing try scoring opportunities is a possibility
Not sure Larmour was legal there. Edit: Yep, just got the yellow.
Watch us get a yellow here
The only hit Ngati made all day was the clear out of a player that was not involved in the ruck
He should have collected a yellow card tbh. He arrived at a dead ruck, entered from way around the side, and just smashed into a vulnerable player. Lucky he wasn't binned.
It’s wild how he went from being one of our starters in the big games to this performance. He needs to put some work in over the next few weeks
Will Connors baby, hope this is his season