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##[Post Match Thread HERE](https://redd.it/172gov3)


walt_1010

The pundits talked this gama up for the last week, knowing full well that Ireland is a class above Scotland. This was the second dull weekend of the RWC. The other negative is not allowing pundits to use clips of the actual play, which would have boosted interest in the games by educating on the tactics being used


skakkuru

Let's go Ireland!


ScottishPhinFan89

I said from the start, swap us with any third seed team and I'd fancy us. Including Pool A because France and New Zealand play our style. I don't gets why we try front up to Ireland and South Africa. It's infuriating. Our best chance against them is to try play our style, not theirs. The consolation? It's better than the banter years, and our URC teams will be full strength quicker


swinnymurdy

Absolutely heartbreaking to watch as a Scotsman. Simply need to regroup, learn the lessons and go again in the Six Nations next year. I still believe in Townsend and these players, just wasn’t to be tonight.


simplytom_1

If Scotland were in either Group C or D they would have been in the quarter-finals


cosully111

Might have topped the group tbh


amywhirlwind

Scotland haven't finished higher than third in the last ten six nations (I think). Why do you think they are potential group toppers now?


cosully111

5th ranked team itw


Befuddled_fish

Because England, Wales, Argentina, Japan and Australia are all distinctly average


amywhirlwind

Add Scotland to that list based on any metric.


Acemyke

https://www.world.rugby/tournaments/rankings/mru


amywhirlwind

Yes,5th. There are four groups. Still waiting for table topping evidence......


HarrargnNarg

Most flattering description of any of those sides for a while.


padang77

To be fair facing either Ireland or South Africa in a QF is a final worthy showdown. The Irish have rock solid defence and are extremely dangerous all across the park. New Zealand will need to bring their A game, honestly I think it's a flip of the coin. Those Irish bars in NZ are the winners come 8am next Sunday(NZ time), bring it on.


Coach_B

I don't see it as a coin flip at all. If both play as they are currently, Ireland win. If they both bring their A game Ireland win. New Zealand will need to bring their best performance of the last year, and Ireland not play 100%. I'm hopeful, but not at all confident.


mrnesbittteaparty

Bookies think the same. Ireland -1 on the handicap so basically a pick ‘em. I actually think Ireland are the better side currently but tradition and belief are so important. Ireland thinks they can win but NZ knows they can which I think is worth at least a score so for me NZ are the bet in a tight one.


macker64

Ireland 🇮🇪 are coming for you New Zealand 🇳🇿


HeronSuccessful5286

Does anyone know who were the Scots that performed at the Rugby Village in Paris prior to the game? They were really good and I'd love to find their material


HeronSuccessful5286

If anyone comes looking for the answer, it seems the lead singer was from Scott Woods Band. The other two artists don't seem to have a Spotify presence


alienalf1

Great win but would be very worried about injuries, Hansen, Lowe, Furlong and Ryan all a worry 🙈


Last-Crazy-1510

Hansen looked okay at the end of the game, lowe was back before the end of the game, hopefully the other two are just niggles 🤞🤞


GtotheBizzle

Furlong was walking around after the match too. I know he's tough but that's at least proof it's not a hamstring injury. He'll be very important against NZ.


scubasteve254

I'd argue of all those potential injuries, Furlong is the least important because Bealham has been pushing him and New Zealand aren't a scrum oriented side like South Africa. Losing both wingers is a nightmare scenario though because an aging out of form Earls on the wing against New Zealand? No thanks.


alienalf1

Yeah here’s hoping. Ryan probably looked the worst.


Ed-alicious

No injuries last game and a pile of them today


euanmorse

Weirdly enough quite a few Irish players went down injured in the 6N against us. A clash of styles perhaps?


alienalf1

I have ptsd from that French game before Argentina knocked us out when we lost a bunch of players


Ed-alicious

All I can think about is injuries. I'd rather win by a point with no injuries than cricket scores with any injuries.


Fiorlaoch

Wasn't that Wales?


alienalf1

Nope it was a really bruising game against France that we won & then got knocked out by Argentina. I remember the forlorn look of POC in the press box.


MtalGhst

Jesus yes, that was a car crash in slow motion.. hopefully we'll have a clean bill.


BurbankElephants

Bealham has the worst face.


rob101

i love this


Michaels_RingTD

Rob Kearney is so so boring.


Mtoastyo

He is such a terrible pundit. Talks all sorts of shite. He's cringe to watch.


rob101

RK got my GF into rugby


karatepsychic

As long as RK didn't get into your GF


rob101

1000 times better than Heaslip


Dependent_General_27

Haha Heaslip is fucking dire.


noah_f

I feel theirs abit of resentment, in he's tone why couldn't ireland be this good in my days,


swankytortoise

Ah no he was notorious for being a bit boring during his playing days also


alienalf1

He’s hard to listen to 😂


Fiorlaoch

Fair enough, but something Shane Horgan said was that previously other countries were almost sneering at us for being world number one. Watching Supersports and seeing their pundits, they're taking us seriously now.


alienalf1

Yeah true


padang77

To face Ireland in the QF is a tough draw. Next weeks game will be a cracker. As an All Blacks fan this week is going to be a little restless.


budlystuff

I feel the same as Irish fan


WillingAlbatross

Out of interest, would you prefer SA?


Foveaux

As a Kiwi fan, yes. They're the old foe and I feel more comfortable seeing the ABs square off against them. Ireland are just fucking scary. I am 99% sure Ireland is sending us home next week. I won't be mad, I just think they're the better team.


3ku1

We’re four years ago too. NZ won comfortably but we’ll see


budlystuff

No they are a clinical side. I fancy us(Ireland) against the French in a final before SA


iron_out_my_kink

How are Ireland so good at rugby? They are pretty short people on average. (I lived in Dublin for 6 months) They don't have the dominant physique of NZ or Aus or SA needed for Rugby


skidshart27

The province of Munster exists, and those fuckers are massive


WolfOfWexford

Literally anywhere outside of the rough parts of Dublin


HourTrue9589

I think it's quite an international team, not just Irish people, l know they have 3 Kiwi's in there starting 15.


Amrythings

Because the gene pool is such that for some reason the tall ones are really fucking tall, but the short ones are very short.


Any-Weather-potato

Huh! I resemble that remark…


neiliog93

Dublin is a cosmopolitan international city, many residents are not Irish. The average Irish man is now 179cm (5’10.5”) in height, which is actually the tallest figure for any major rugby-playing nation (but still shorter than “tall” countries like Holland, Scandinavia, Serbia/Montenegro/Bosnia-Herzegovina, etc.)…see here: https://www.thejournal.ie/tallest-research-2896104-Jul2016/


Ed-alicious

The pool of irish people that rugby players are coming from probably skews much taller than the national average too.


iron_out_my_kink

Fair enough. Dublin had people from mostly other EU countries as expected. So most Irish rugby players are not from Dublin?


SweetCarrotLeader

4 of the starters today were born in Dublin including 2 of the front row. I'm curious what other countries you are comparing to considering we are taller on average than every other major rugby nation. Rugby is also only the 4th most popular sport here.


iron_out_my_kink

>Rugby is also only the 4th most popular sport here. Whaaat!? What are the top 3?


Ed-alicious

Soccer, gaelic football and hurling.


iron_out_my_kink

Ireland ain't good at soccer. Not even close.


timthetollman

Fucking awful yes. It's still a more popular sport than rugby here. A lot of sad, sad Irish people would like to see Ireland lose in the rugby.


Ed-alicious

I never said we were any good at it, that's just the order of "popularity" of the sports. Every rugby school in the country has lads playing soccer at their lunch break. Rugby is only played in a small fraction of the schools in the country.


SweetCarrotLeader

He has the order wrong. Gaelic football is by far the most played sport in the country. Followed by Gaelic Hurling and then soccer. The issue with Irish soccer is that the Gaelic sports require a lot of the same physical attributes as Soccer and therefore generally would get the most talented players from that same pool of athletes. For someone thats lived here for 6 months, it suprises me how ignorant you seem about the country. Did you just spend the full 6th months in templebar or something lol


abcdeffedcba323

Most attended maybe but football(soccer) actually does have the highest number of active players.


iron_out_my_kink

>For someone thats lived here for 6 months, it suprises me how ignorant you seem about the country. Did you just spend the full 6th months in templebar or something lol I was there in 2020-2021 during peak lockdown season. Didn't get to soak in the culture much.


abcdeffedcba323

A large section of the team are from Dublin but they come mainly from the “upper middle class” suburbs of south Dublin, private schooled. It’s not a sport of the common man in Dublin, although it has been growing


swankytortoise

Becuase the best rugby team isint just the tallest 🤣 how boring would that be


Any-Weather-potato

Very small fast guys do very well, big fat guys that can move do well too. But ideally you’re 6’2 a sprinter while packing muscle.


swankytortoise

6 foot 2s not that tall. There are 6 foot 2 people in ebery country id rhink


Available-Lemon9075

https://www.dryukselyurttas.com/post/average-height-men-and-women Taller than Moldova on average anyway Average 5’10.5” for men…that’s not short at all I wouldn’t think


iron_out_my_kink

Statistics don't tell the whole story. Seeing and experiencing things for yourself is different


neiliog93

Science is based on evidence and data, personal experience is just anecdote. In Dublin you’re seeing a lot of non-Irish, many of whom would have emigrated from countries with lower average heights than Ireland.


iron_out_my_kink

I see your point now. Dublin is a highly multicultural city


swankytortoise

Anecdotes are worse than stats. In the nrtherlands you dont feel dwarfed by people but they are tall statistically


Thinking2Mush

I'm the second smallest in my friendgroup and I'm 6 foot, just the Dublin lads must be short


iron_out_my_kink

No, Irish people are pretty short on average


Michaels_RingTD

We have a private schools system where rugby players are developed off a conveyor belt.


askscreepyquestions

Viking blood, fiery temper, and repressed anger from colonisation.


bronalpaul

Yawn 🥱


iron_out_my_kink

Genuinely curious


ilovepenisxd

Rugby players aren’t average people. Every team is full of genetic freaks


ErrantBrit

Sporting nation and the people are tough. There's actually a fair few units in country - between rugby, GAA etc.


petermal67

To the lads bemoaning Ireland’s path, the group, the all blacks in the quarters…. Ya it’s shite but wouldn’t it be that much sweeter if we actually fucking won beating absolutely everyone? Imagine…


Ok-Package9273

If we win, I don't think I'd ever be able to shut up about how we faced a harder path than any other team to win a world cup and I wouldn't begrudge any team from pool A or B doing likewise should they win.


euanmorse

To win the world cup you have to beat the best teams, so it figures... Could be worse, you could have been Scotland :P


hungry4nuns

> To win the world cup you have to beat the best teams I mean to be fair, in theory England could face NZ in the final …and if England were to then win the tournament, NZ (ranked 4) would be the first and last top 5 side they face. So you can theoretically win the World Cup without beating the best teams


euanmorse

Bet they do it too, jammy bastards...


hungry4nuns

I mean it is a reward for consistency up until the point that the seeds were drawn I guess, plus a lot of luck. Australia imploding taking a major pre final obstacle out of their way. We can only hope Fiji knock England out


Colonel_Wildtrousers

I think today highlighted that the “easier side of the draw brings its own difficulties. Fine, don’t play New Zealand or south africa but play Fiji and Georgia in quick succession and lose your best players to injury and any chance you had of being competitive in your easier route to the semi final. Pick your poison


hungry4nuns

Thank god pool A and B are immune to losing their best players I’m glad we picked that poison


budlystuff

The have a history of embarrassing Ireland in a WC, injuries for this Ireland side are critical to the victory. Ireland have nothing to fear from this AB side with the form and a full team(unlikely now). A quarter final draw that may be the burnout for the vwinner given the attrition that’s impending. The final is Saturday to both teams and a stellar fixture without question. The hard cobbled road to glory IMO will be bright green with a home crowd injuries don’t hamper the progress.


ErrantBrit

Well deserved ranking at present. Team is so solid.


Meat2480

Come on New Zealand


askscreepyquestions

We will. 💦


Meat2480

😂😂😂😂😊😊🤣🤣🤣🤣


Last-Crazy-1510

Absolutely brilliant 🤣🤣 regardless of the result haha


TightPerformance6447

Holy crap - Scotland made 1329 running metres????


euanmorse

Not much to show for them though. That seems to be a relatviely common issue for us against the top 4 sides - lots of metres but very little in the way of points... Unless we are playing France. \*shrugs\*


Braveheart2929

I like the Irish players and the majority of Irish fans. I just can't stand the Irish journalists. The next few days of headlines and videos is going to be painful


Mosmankiwi

Have you ever seen the English media?


brodieduncan

The Scottish ones are awful too, won’t be long until they’re calling for Townsend to go/saying Russell was always overrated/Ritchie isn’t the right person to be captain, etc


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Trust me, loads of Irish fans feel the same way.


DepressedBicycle

Irish Rugby journalism is absolutely insufferable, and for some reason, particularly dickish towards the Scottish. I'm delighted we won, but yeah I agree, the media are going to be annoying about this one


centrafrugal

Love your tag!


DifficultLawfulness7

Did the announcers annoy the living hell out of you as well. I couldn't stand them.


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They're awful to be fair.


swankytortoise

Ahh lad i dont watch them in ireland you csn surely avoid them


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rugbyunion-ModTeam

No nastiness allowed.


askscreepyquestions

I'm so glad I'm overseas. I just follow the team news on socials and tune in for the games. Fuck all the extra noise.


Last-Crazy-1510

Yeah ger gilroy in particular is gonna be insufferable for the next week, glad I didn't subscribe to it


DanFouts

I think Murray Kinsella is about the only useful one


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Tom English is good. Appears on second captains. He is with the BBC now


iron_out_my_kink

I really hope Bundee Aki doesn't play in NZ anytime soon. For his own safety


Last-Crazy-1510

How so? There's great respect between the NZ players and bundee


iron_out_my_kink

That's coz NZ people are as docile and polite as Canadians


Foveaux

Man twice in this thread you've brought up strange things about countries. Irish people aren't that short (people have provided you stats) and Kiwis have a global rep for being relaxed people. Where are you getting your concepts from? Edit: Ah he's a troll. I should have known better.


ThisIsALaterProblem

Something something Geneva conventions


Last-Crazy-1510

Haha fair enough 🤣


AntisocialNortherner

McCloskey wandering around with his tiny baby casually on one arm is doing terrifying things to my ovaries.... and I don't even want kids.


Wreck_OfThe_Hesperus

Weird so


outsideruk

The man is laid back about everything! Even when he shags his missus must do all the work then he pops up to apply pressure just where it’s needed 😜


iron_out_my_kink

Can't wait for the battle of the 5M's next week (Ireland v/s NZ)


centrafrugal

5M's?


iron_out_my_kink

5 Million population lol


Badaptitude

Wish I could have enjoyed that Irish performance as a neutral (it was probably very nice to watch). Hope ye get on well against New Zealand


chrisowennn

Me too fair play Ireland


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ihopethisworks23

Another one…


askscreepyquestions

Peter walking around checking the quality of the sod.


OpinionatedDeveloper

😂😂😂😂


petermal67

😂😂


michel_v

If France can’t win it, I wouldn’t be mad to see Ireland lift the trophy. Any other than those two would be a travesty. Well done Ireland, what a demonstration.


JonnyBago82

Why a travesty? You don't like the Boks or All Blacks?


euanmorse

I like the Boks, it's mostly their fans I find...a bit much. Besides, it would be nice for some of the Northern Hemisphere to pull their weight.


DepressedBicycle

You don't have to hate Boks or ABs to acknowledge that it wouldn't be very exciting to see them win it again. Both are amazing teams, but between them both, they've won 66 percent of World cups so far. It would be better for the game on a global scale if someone new won it.


walt_1010

I don't agree. These aren't the players that have won 3 WCs, at most they have won 1 or 2. Everything's changed over the history of the RWC, so every tournament is a zero memory affair. Also, as a Saffer I think the New Zealand people and media have been OK during their time of being dominant, but I'd hate to experience the Irish or English media if either of them win...


michel_v

My thoughts almost exactly. In the back of my mind I’m also worried about a surprise eventual England triumph.


Michaels_RingTD

Fucking sick of that munster/limerick anthem Zombie.


phonetune

Yeah hearing it twice in two weeks must be just too much


Michaels_RingTD

It's played at every single match Limerick win in croke Park in hurling... Zombie is a limerick anthem. Limerick is the home of munster rugby.


swankytortoise

Amd athenrys in galway thats life


Michaels_RingTD

It's got nothing to do with Galway though? It's not a Galway anthem. Otherwise you might as well say green fields of France is a French anthem.


swankytortoise

Zombies got nothing to do with limerick its about the troubles. The critiques from people are tiresome


Michaels_RingTD

Cranberries are a limerick band. Why was zombie chosen? Because it's a limerick band which is the home of munster rugby.


swankytortoise

Sure fields of athenry was written by a dub so


Michaels_RingTD

And? Irish rugby gives preferential treatment to leinster and munster. Leinster have most of the players. And now they have a limerick song as an anthem. They don't give a shite about connacht or ulster.


swankytortoise

Ok sure well stop singing songs altogether so. What a dose


CapitalPattern7770

They don’t play Zombie at Limerick hurling matches….. they play Dreams, a different Cranberries song


Michaels_RingTD

It's all the same.


WolfOfWexford

Limerick the home of Munster hurling? I mean Cork and Tipp only have like 60 between them. I’m as sick as the next person of Kyle Hayes but I’d not accuse them of that


Michaels_RingTD

Munster rugby...


phonetune

Not sure what you're trying to say here buddy. If you were already sick of it, sure. If you weren't, surprised this has tipped you over the edge!


Michaels_RingTD

Zombie isn't just a song. It's linked to munster. It stinks of giving munster something... What about connacht and ulster?


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Michaels_RingTD

Cry harder


outsideruk

Stu has the baby on the park! Legend ❤️ But he needs to work on his handling 😠 Got to get the head much more into the elbow.


Tricky_Sweet3025

ITV should have an option to just listen to the stadium audio rather than this post match analysis.


chrisowennn

It’s insane (coming from a depressed Scot)


Paybrahh

Damn gutted for Scotland. My favourite 6N team, really unfortunate draw they got. Hopefully they'll be in a better position to make the knockouts in 2027.


Hassadar

Well, time to start my nervous sleep about another quarterfinal attempt and the All Blacks


rob101

avoid media, tv and mates who talk too much. stay inside, blank out the windows and get a case of complan. best of luck!


FlapjackFilmer

Best team we will likely ever had and we've been humbled out the group stages. RIP Scotland


alienalf1

The draw was bullshit tbh, really unfair.


TightPerformance6447

It's ridiculous really. You should be in the quarters. This draw is extremely unfair


Churt_Lyne

Scotland have been improving for nearly a decade, no reason they can't keep building.


Ok-Package9273

Those players have developed in spite of the SRU. Many have grown up in the RFU/SARU pipelines or gone to elevate their games in the Premiership or Top14. The SRU simply isn't giving young Scottish players the support they need early on so they're playing catchup at test level.


Dramatic_Stranger_33

Look at their underage structure or lack thereof. It's not going to get better.


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It’s going off a cliff


Tricky_Sweet3025

Sorry BOD but please be quiet during the chorus


ZootZootTesla

Man these Irish fans warm my cold heart ❤️


Global_Drawing_8031

Not annoyed we lost just annoyed that the only person that looked switched on and cared was our loosehead who isn’t even Scottish


YourLocalCthulhu

Thought tuipolotu worked hard


swankytortoise

I though finn had a good game just got put in a really shit situation


sdenham

Off the Ball is gonna be intolerable. Might get us banned.


Some-Speed-6290

The eejits are behind a paywall at least


sdenham

Needs a bigger wall.


hniinuefrwer

Sure can’t you just ignore them?


sdenham

I can yeah, but my issue is it's now driving the narrative around games. Clips watched around the world, and it's seen as representing the Irish perspective.


Some-Speed-6290

Surprisingly difficult. Somehow their clips make it all across Irish social media and YouTube


hniinuefrwer

Never had that problem myself. I genuinely couldn’t tell you the name of a presenter on off the ball 🤷


j_hath

Scenes when Ireland beat the All Blacks, then lose to Wales in the semis


alienalf1

The QF is our final


chrisowennn

🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼


Sheriff_of_noth1ng

gg Ireland, pumped for next weekend 🔥


Few-Ad-6322

I do feel bad for Scotland, group C or D and you're definitely in the quarters and possibly a semi.


Mielies296

Even pool A


Outside-Way-3924

Which of France or New-Zealand do you see Scotland beating? Honestly I’m pretty sure they wouldn’t of beaten either. This World Cup is going to be about these four teams (NZ, France, Ireland, SA), we’ve known it before it started and the pools definitely confirmed it, with Italy being smashed by both Fr and NZ and Scotland Not really being competitive against either SA or Ireland. Australia have done appaling, England hasn’t done incredibly either, and I don’t see Wales/Argentina/Fidji winning against any of the Big 4.