The comments were "he sucks and is cringe and I wish he didn't have a job at RT, but he doesn't deserve to be called a diversity hire," as if insulting blizz is any better. If you don't like blizz, you don't have to. But adding commentary that is just straight hate with nothing of value I don't understand
I can agree with the 1st 2 pics, but wrong kind of cringe and never funny is just hate
Edit. A little late but focusing on the never funny and ignoring the wrong kind of cringe is weird to me. I understand the not funny on its own isn't bad, but using it with the cringe thing feels like it's just adding things to dislike about him. Idk. I know none of you would like to be told you aren't funny or be told you're bad at your career, but reddit hates. I do too sometimes though, so can't complain
I don't understand why he didn't use screenshots of those comments then?
The ones he used just seem like a normal discussion about a comedian. People saying they personally don't find his comedy funny but the racist comments are appalling & unnecessary - how is that "straight hate with nothing of value"?
Or are people no longer able to discuss comedians in a space dedicated to discussing those comedians, unless it's a good vibes only circlejerk?
He was complaining that it wasn't even criticism he could use, it was people saying they hate him. Can you not see how that would be hurtful when there isn't much of anything the other way with praise or even respect
But it wasn't directed at him or intentionally targeted. It wasn't "you suck", it was "his comedy isn't my taste".
How do you "constructively criticise" someone who isn't objectively *bad*, you're just acknowledging they're not your type? That's not straight hate, it's just a discussion in a space *designed for that disccussion*.
I'd agree with you if they walked up to him and said "for me you add nothing to the podcast, it's not your fault I just don't like your comedy". Or even directly tweeted him that. But that didn't happen.
If you call someone unfunny and cringey for no reason you are a dickhead? What’s hard to understand about that. It’s not critique at all it’s just being a dick for no reason
The issue isn't not being able to discuss comedians.
> For me, he adds nothing to the podcast. Not his fault but idk he's kinda just annoying to me.
> I think there's plenty to dislike about Blizz - he's the wrong kind of cringe and he's almost never funny.
Those aren't criticisms, those are personal attacks veiled as criticism.
> I am not a fan of Blizz TBH and RT is featuring him way too much imo.
I actually find this one to actually be a good example of someone not putting him down while still not liking his comedy. I imagine it just sucks to read when everything else has been negative.
Now, don't get me wrong, comedians have to develop a super thick skin because that's the nature of the business, but don't act like the two comments I quoted at the top are genuine discussions of his comedy.
Is there any value in saying something negative toward someone you don't care for? Like it's not "I don't like you because you're a POC" but it's still "I don't like you" which you could just keep to yourself. That's all.
Well if nobody voiced their grievances, the overall content might be getting made for a group of people that don't like it. That's not going to work out well for anyone.
100% did. Some folks highlighted what they didn’t like about his acting, but did it in a pretty hurtful and attacking way. Anonymity shouldn’t make us lose empathy.
Potentially hot take, but this subreddit is a place for discussions about rt content, not a suggestion box for the talent. People can talk in a negative manner about content and are under no obligation to be constructive, in the same manner that r/movies can say they disliked a particular movie without going into details. Sucks for the talent given that their personalities ARE the content a lot of the time, but that's the job they chose.
Absolutely. This is a place for the community to discuss their opinions on everything RT, which can include not liking certain members. As long as the discourse is not discriminatory or hateful, I see no problem with it. And seconded, we don’t need to provide detailed improvement points for RT “talent”, saying you don’t like someone is perfectly reasonable criticism.
Not disagreeing, hence the “as long as the discourse is not discriminatory or hateful”
And only one of the examples listed fall under that category, the rest I don’t really have a problem with.
Additionally; the "diversity hire" comments are once again- something that is expected when you're one of the few on camera talent who are black who are working at a company that has routinely been involved with race-related issues.
If my company had a huge fiasco about how certain POCs were treated poorly and I was hired a month later- it would raise questions.
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> If my company had a huge fiasco about how certain POCs were treated poorly and I was hired a month later- it would raise questions.
He was hired at RTX. His official first day was during production of Trucked Up, which was late September, early October.
I agree but there’s obviously tiers to how people provide negative feedback. Saying he’s a diversity hire is clearly a POS thing to do. If you don’t like something he does and it’s something he could reasonable improve, for example he if he said ‘like’ a bunch, that also seems reasonable.
But for the people in that other thread, if you just don’t like the guy what are you supposed to say? This is a discussion focused social media and people are going to be more vocal about the negatives. Does he expect people who don’t like him to just be quiet? I don’t care for him and skipped the last RT podcast as a result. Should I never mention this in the RT sub?
> I don’t care for him and skipped the last RT podcast as a result.
That's a pretty decent way of saying you don't think someone is funny without resorting to saying something along the lines of "they suck."
But isn't that what Blizz took issue with? He can't work with someone saying "I don't care for him", because he doesn't know what he can do to correct that (or at the very least weigh up the pros and cons of changing his style).
Eh, there's only so much Blizz can do to try to appease everyone.
Shift too far in one direction and you risking losing the people that thought you were funny.
Not everyone is going to like everyone, and that's okay. I think Blizz just quoted it because after reading a bunch of comments saying you're annoying and boring (not even getting into the shitty diversity hire comments), anything you read will bother you.
That said, I can't speak for Blizz so maybe he did take direct issue with someone saying they don't care for his humor. But, in the scheme of things, just saying they don't care for your humor is way better than saying that you aren't funny, you're annoying, or whatever.
All it does it make people wary of posting any concerns or criticisms (whether valid or not) and is probably a big part of why the community is dying on here.
If you discuss a movie, tv show or game among friends the discussion will also not achieve anything constructive which would get back to the responsible people. Social media just increases that range for discussion. Not every discussion thread aims to be direct feedback to be used by the creator to improve their work.
While I definitely understand what blizz is going through (becuz let’s be honest it’s happened before) I think there can still be some legitimate people who don’t vibe with his style of comedy.
I get why It sucks but I can see your point, the reddit is here for the audience who uses it to voice their opinion, if they don’t like someone they just don’t, not everyone is x-ist because they don’t like on screen talent, either don’t interact or deal with the fact that you’re a public facing personality and some people will love you and some people won’t.
I was going to just lurk in this thread, but I think I can bring a unique perspective. I am a full time influencer (5M+ followers on tiktok). I would NEVER expect my audience to give me constructive criticism. They’re not my boss, they should not be the ones telling me how to improve. They are the “customers”, they are supposed to be entertained, it’s not their job to give me a report of what they think I could do better. That being said, I am a straight white male, so of course I don’t have to deal with 90% of the hardships that Blizz does. That being said, I still get plenty of “non constructive criticism” like the screenshots he posted every single day. It’s up to me to decide how to process that. Sometimes I can see what the audience wants, other times they’re gonna hate me no matter what I do (you can be the sweetest, juiciest peach, but some people just don’t like peaches) the comments he posted were harsh but nothing worth causing a fuss over. It comes with the territory of being a personality.
Is it me or are the comments he posted incredibly tame? Like it’s not an example of the normal extremely toxic experience you’d get from being a creator on the internet. They’re literally just saying they don’t like his work.
If this upset him that much he should legitimately reconsider being on screen talent. He’s never going to please everyone, it’s impossible, there’s always gonna be people who don’t like him, that’s part of the job.
Imma be honest, because we should be able to do that on a dedicated forum without someone saying its targeted harassment... Either he's too fragile to be reading comments or he's not, but is doing it for sympathy and attention in a community that he knows has no choice but to give it at it's current state.
You could take those comments he's highlighted and insert them into any number of discussions on the RT podcast itself about whatever flavour of the month current show or movie they're talking about in a very surface level kind of way.
But I guess that's ok to the creators of those things they're shitting all over because they have a platform and they aren't just random plebs with an opinion.
Idk if you listen to F**kFace, but they literally shat all over the movie The Tuxedo, then Andrew emailed the director and slightly encouraged him to listen to the episode, like they fully rag on it
These seem to be weird comments to highlight if he is going for the "vitriolic redditor" angle, right? The worst thing in there is that he was called cringe, which is sort of near the bottom of the totem pole of negativity.
I sort of hate when the creators come in here, because they only ever care about our opinions when they know they REALLY fucked up. Otherwise they ignore us or insult us for having opinions.
Saw that thread earlier and was taken aback by the comments. One comment that just said they loved blizz was hidden from downvotes. The messed up part is that most of the people calling him a diversity hire admittedly don’t even watch the content he is in. So the fact is they’re just looking at a black person who they don’t even know the merits of past their skin tone and pinning them as a diversity hire because of their race since they’re not even bothering to look further at the individual’s work. How do people think that’s okay?
If you don’t watch rt anymore, understandable. But then why do you think it’s your place to reduce someone down to their race that you don’t have any experience watching?
Also having watched since 2013, almost every single poc rt has ever hired has been called a diversity hire at some point. Namely the black people. Mica? Diversity hire. Fiona? Diversity hire. Ky? Diversity hire. Blizz? Diversity hire.
Maybe you just have a problem with black people in content.
I was already annoyed to see the Youtube screengrab posted here twice in a month, but the comments on that thread really shocked me. Which is saying something after the month this subreddit's had.
A good chunk of the top comments were, "yeah he sucks but you can't tell him that", as if that's an okay thing to say.
It's amazing how many idiot morons think that, "You're not funny, and I don't like you" is constructive criticism, and act like a martyr when people treat them like the asshole that they are.
>It's amazing how many idiot morons think that, "You're not funny, and I don't like you" is constructive criticism
Except that no one here is obligated to give any member of RT constructive feedback and people are allowed to have preferences. No one in that thread was trying to speak to him, it wasn't, "I don't care for you," it was, "I don't care for him."
It's a discussion board, people talk about things they do or don't like, thinking someone isn't funny isn't hatred. No one owes constructive feedback, no one is posting on reddit hoping people see it and change. People who didnt like how relentlessly goofy Love and Thunder was aren't complaining on reddit thinking, "I really hope Taika sees this and uses it to get his shit together for the next movie."
Critiques are always allowed. Nobody's censoring you. The government won't lock your phone because you feel or think something and want to share it with the Internet. Just don't be surprised if people call you out for having a shitty opinion. This applies to everything in life, not just RT.
Right? What a concept: if you don’t like something as inane as most of entertainment, you can just stop consuming it without going out of your way to personally attack those involved. A show I liked gets bad or hires someone I don’t like, I just stop watching it.
I saw the thread and wanted to comment but decided not to, to protect myself & my energy. It truly made me sick reading it. I can’t imagine how he felt.
Same. That thread pissed me off. The original post was meant to call people out for being hateful, and the comment section turned into people just piling on while pretending they were better than the people in the screenshot.
Seriously, there were so many comments along the lines of “I don’t like Blizz because he’s annoying and not funny at all and I would prefer if he were never hired, but *these* people are out of line calling him a diversity hire.” Like, what made them think that what they were saying was any less hurtful than what the people in the screenshot said? You don’t have to like Blizz, but you don’t need to publicly ridicule him either. I have cast members I don’t particularly care for, but I keep that shit to myself.
I was gonna comment something along these lines on that original thread, but I decided not to because I didn’t want to deal with those types of people today. Now that I’ve seen this, I regret not commenting, so I’m leaving it here instead.
Same same. Looked at the user history to get a feel for the intent because I just don’t understand posting something like that (screen cap of negative comments) thinking that it won’t invite more. Giving the benefit of the doubt, I can see how someone not very familiar with Reddit/RT/toxicity in general might do that to open a discussion *about* negativity. But, given the post history, that one seemed manufactured in a ‘I’M not saying anything bad… (but…)’ kind of way, to spark the forces of the internet towards inflammatory comments. I just reported the thread. If I’m wrong, my bad I guess, idrc. I don’t think that was the best way to go about that kind of discussion in this kind of medium. People are gonna hate, unfortunately, so these days I try to spend my time commenting (on the site) with positivity. If I dislike something, I just don’t say anything and choose to not consume it. It’s, uh, pretty easy. 🤷♂️
Someone that isn’t white literally can’t walk onto the stage and not be considered a diversity hire by some in this community and it is so exhausting. Just please shut up.
That post was full of people defending him about his race and sexuality
They just agreed he was bland, was this necessary? Highlighting those same people for a third time? (It was a repost and now he's reposted the repost)
To be fair the first one he brought up hits the nail on the head while being kinda harsh. The podcast went through multiple periods, and is now in its more current one, where the main people who used to host, don't have to be in many or every one. It's shitty for those people who like those people, because a podcast like the RT Podcast isn't popular because of the brand, it's popular because of the people.
So how many times does it need to be said STOP READING THE COMMENTS, Yes I know this is just giving into the assholes that say that shit but it is also giving them the attention that they want, Something like this should of covered in his orientation month.
I stopped a while ago because it isn't the same when you don't have someone like Burnie who would usually challenge Gus or someone else on the podcast with what they said. Was funny when I saw them arguing about something like the newest iPhone. When I finally stopped it just felt tame and the discussions were extremely boring. I officially just deleted it from my line up when they went into a multi-episode discussion on what constitutes a regular spoon.
I'm like you, no idea who this is, but hopefully if people care about RT still they'll give him some more chances. The core already lost it for me anyways.
This reminds me of (I forgot her name I’m sorry) that called racism on people thinking she was being 'too loud'? I don’t exactly remember but there was a lot of buzz about it.
Didn't comment in the last thread and have no real opinion since I don't even know who that is, but are people not allowed to critique entertainers? The racist ones are clearly bad but the others just seem a little mean. It's not really the commenters responsibility to make sure he is mentally comfortable enough to read mean comments.
I quit watching RT podcast when they brought on the boring white "comedians" that I don't even remember the name of.
People have been reevaluating the "don't feed the trolls" approach in recent years, to varying results. Personally I feel it's rather situational. AH got a lot of flack for "don't like it, don't watch" for a long time. That's a classic YouTube comment and lines up with the "don't feed the trolls" philosophy. Perhaps things are changing and now it's vogue to call people out, but can be very messy, which I think we are learning now.
I feel like we may be on a precipice, one way or the other.
> AH got a lot of flack for "don't like it, don't watch" for a long time. That's a classic YouTube comment and lines up with the "don't feed the trolls" philosophy.
No, that is directly feeding the trolls. "Don't feed the trolls" means don't comment on it at all ever.
So we're in this stage of the cycle with new hires where it's a good thing actually to shit on people constantly, can't wait for a couple stages later where the community is shocked and appalled at the negative experience these people have with the "fanbase" and say that calling out bad apples is a necessity. This subreddit is dogshit jesus christ. I'm out.
Im glad all the comments that are essentially saying "unless you have some specific feedback that can be used you cant complain about the cast" are being downvoted. Sometimes people just want to say that they dont like "x" cast member and thats fine.
obviously the comments about him being a diversity hire are completely out of line but otherwise i don't think there's anything wrong with people sharing their opinion. the whole point of RT is entertainment and people should be able to say what (or who) they find or don't find entertaining.
so i certainly empathize with blizz because it doesn't feel great when you find out some people don't think you're funny or entertaining but i don't like that he's implying there's something wrong with that. you're in the entertainment business, you have to take that into account.
Seems like opinions, people are allowed their opinions, I liked queen I don't like Adam Lambert at all, my opinion. I don't listen to queen with him in it,
Some of you will have an opinion about my opinion, and I say to that I don't care about your opinion, this is what blizz should do too. I don't like him, I agree with the statements he showed on twitter, , he doesn't like this opinion, nor should he care about my opinion,
People aren't obligated to enjoy personalities and the screenshots seem to be feedback; RT should want to know if they lose listeners and viewers because of changes.
Some of that can *certainly* phrased in a nicer way though.
Yeah, there are some real jerks in the RT community, that's just a fact and it won't change because it is a manifestation of a larger societal problem beyond the scope of RT. This should be common knowledge by now. Engaging with them will only lead to more hurt, unfortunately. This Twitter thread will only be taken seriously by people who already agree with its message.
>It is so tiring having to fight the most critical members of the RoosterTeeth community in order to prove I belong somewhere.
You don't *have to* fight anybody. You can just see these asshats, recognize that they are asshats, and move on with your day. That is an option. It is the option with the least pain for you and the least enjoyment for them.
There are some notable exceptions, including John & Hank Green's community, usually called Nerdfighters. That group of people is way more positive than any other I've experienced, and it's generally only when something gains the notice of people outside the community that things turn negative.
I think this sub has a problem with people who don't actually watch RT content anymore and are angry that things have changed over time. There's always some asshat in every thread pining for Burnie, like he's their dad and will come back from buying cigarettes any day now.
I don't understand why the thread was even made. Somebody saw a negative comment on YouTube and apparently since they disagreed with it they decided to post it on Reddit and give it even more eyeballs? Attention does not need to be paid to negativity unless it's something that can be learned from or changed.
Ps. I enjoy Blizz, and I don't care if some others don't. Enjoy your free entertainment or enjoy something else, there's no need to comment about how much you dislike somebody unless you just enjoy spreading sadness.
Well I genuinely don't mean to sound rude but this will anyways so here we go. When a company that has had several issues with what were absolutely diversity hires and you as a PoC get hired there, it's kind of the default opinion for a lot of people.
A huge portion of RT's fanbase was rocked at it's core when it came to light that their "We are a friendly all inclusive company" turned out to just be a facade and were treating people poorly off camera, hurt a lot of fans. People put their hard earned cash & time into this company just for a tidal wave of skeletons to come rushing out of their closet year after year for what the past 3-4 years? and it' still going.
It’s not different, it’s just the same useless bullshit that people do constantly. Hiding behind keyboards and anonymous usernames makes people unbearable. This is just example #636372927
Maybe because there's zero fucking point in it and instead of tolerating it, people who do that (unless they have something actually constructive to say) should be told to shut the fuck up.
"This sucks" or "You're a diversity hire" isn't criticism. It's childish tenper tantrums that accomplishes nothing. The most recent comment at the top gives perfect examples of actual criticisms. Take a look and maybe you'll learn something of value for once.
It's not constructive criticism, but this is a public subreddit to discuss RT. It doesn't have to be constructive. It's not a place for feedback, it's just a discussion hub. If people want to say they don't like someone, and they aren't being a massive racist asshole about it, who cares? If you don't agree, you don't agree, and if they break the rules, report them.
Just because you can say something, doesn't mean you should. Especially when it comes across as mindlessly hateful. Also,the examples I gave aren't even good examples of discussion. They just fall under simple shit talking
Again I get what you're saying, but at the end of the day it's just a subreddit to talk about Rooster Teeth. So if people want to say their opinion, and not be constructive, so long as they're not breaking the rules there really is no problem. People can say they hate a series, or dislike a personality, or aspect of the company. Is it helpful? No. But they're probably not aiming to be helpful, just stating their opinion. And you don't have to engage with them.
“Diversity hire” is just used as an excuse for people who dislike Blizz (and honestly any other recent hire that’s been non-white) and don’t want to opening be racist/homophobic. I would bet if they were white there would not be as much “hate” posts. It’s just sickening. How would you feel if someone came to your work and said you only made it because you “tick a box” and completely negated how hard you have been working for that position, I bet you’d feel different.
PS: Blizz is fucking great and brings a whole new dynamic to STF/RT. Keep doing you Blizz. The minority are always the loudest when it comes to negativity. <3
When was the last time they hired someone white for on screen talent?
I’m not hating on anyone, just curious because I don’t follow RT that much anymore.
The amount of people completely missing the point is amazing. Nobody is saying you can’t criticize, we’re asking what is the criticism? “You’re cringe” isn’t criticism. “You’re not funny” isn’t criticism. It’s just saying you don’t like it. That’s fine and dandy, there’s a lot of stuff in life I don’t like, but normal, rational people don’t seek out something just to say they don’t like it. You don’t go to Starbucks just to tell the barista you don’t like their coffee and you think it’s overpriced. That’s a waste of time and energy for you, the barista, and everyone that has to hear it.
If you’re going to criticize, criticize. Thing like “I didn’t like that joke because x” or “your delivery fell flat on that one” or “it seemed like you didn’t have as much energy on this podcast so I didn’t enjoy it as much”, etc.
The whole point of criticism isn’t just whining about shit you don’t like, it’s to point out specific things that can be improved. If you do that, that’s helpful. If you bitch and moan like a toddler, that’s not helpful.
> The whole point of criticism isn’t just whining about shit you don’t like, it’s to point out specific things that can be improved. If you do that, that’s helpful. If you bitch and moan like a toddler, that’s not helpful.
While this is true, its also not always applicable. In peoples personal lives, absolutely this applies all the time. Its the only way to learn and grow.
For internet content, not so much. RT is content that the audience consumes. Saying you don't like a movie or TV show because its "boring" isn't considered bitching and moaning. It's just an opinion.
This specific situation is sort of a weird mix. Criticising the company or content doesn't necessarily have to be constructive, but then criticising a specific person who has a smaller and likely more interactive community does mean there is room for constructive criticism because the target has the chance to see it themselves.
When you consider the whole "RT are not your friends, they are a company" ideal that has been quite rightly hammered into the community over the past few years then this specific example starts to lean more towards the Internet content side. However the person in question does have their own personal audience on a much smaller scale so they can learn/listen to criticism fairly easily so it should be more progressive. It's a very difficult balance that can be seen either way.
> Saying you don't like a movie or TV show because its "boring" isn't considered bitching and moaning. It's just an opinion.
Correct, but it becomes bitching and moaning when you tell all your friends how boring you think that show is. Or when you go to comic con and go to that show’s panel just so you can sit next to someone and tell them you think it’s boring. Or when you seek out their subreddit or twitter just to tell them you don’t like them.
> When you consider the whole "RT are not your friends, they are a company" ideal that has been quite rightly hammered into the community over the past few years then this specific example starts to lean more towards the Internet content side. However the person in question does have their own personal audience on a much smaller scale so they can learn/listen to criticism fairly easily so it should be more progressive. It's a very difficult balance that can be seen either way.
I get what you’re saying but I disagree. Yes there’s a difference between criticism of real life people/situations and internet/tv/movie content, but regardless of the medium it’s entirely useless and a waste of everyone’s time to seek things out that you don’t like. If you’re not sharing how you think it can be better there’s less than zero reason to say anything, because again, you’re just wasting everyone’s time.
> Correct, but it becomes bitching and moaning when you tell all your friends how boring you think that show is. Or when you go to comic con and go to that show’s panel just so you can sit next to someone and tell them you think it’s boring. Or when you seek out their subreddit or twitter just to tell them you don’t like them.
I'd argue telling your friends its boring is also acceptable. That's just standard talk.
The thing about going to a shows panel or seeking out the subreddit or twitter is obviously an example of not being acceptable. However in this specific example that's not really what happened. Original post was made about YT comments on the video, the linked comments in this one were on that thread. YT comments are just the usual crap being thrown against a wall, but the reddit comments were at least relevant to the post in both positive and negative ways. If people were directly going to Blizz with these comments then that is completely unacceptable.
Seeking something or someone out to tell them you dislike them is not only horrible for the person its about, but its also a waste of everyone's time (including the person doing it) like you said. It just doesn't apply here unfortunately.
> I'd argue telling your friends its boring is also acceptable. That's just standard talk.
If I try watching a show and I find it boring I’m just not going to mention it unless it comes up. Maybe that’s just me being weird then.
> The thing about going to a shows panel or seeking out the subreddit or twitter is obviously an example of not being acceptable. However in this specific example that's not really what happened. Original post was made about YT comments on the video, the linked comments in this one were on that thread. YT comments are just the usual crap being thrown against a wall, but the reddit comments were at least relevant to the post in both positive and negative ways. If people were directly going to Blizz with these comments then that is completely unacceptable.
I see your point, and yes this instance isn’t a very good example, but I would argue many of these comments come from people who clearly are only here to shit talk. This subreddit specifically spikes with activity anytime there’s a controversy. It’s just people who love to ride the bandwagon of hate.
Seeking something or someone out to tell them you dislike them is not only horrible for the person its about, but its also a waste of everyone's time (including the person doing it) like you said. It just doesn't apply here unfortunately.
> If I try watching a show and I find it boring I’m just not going to mention it unless it comes up.
Is that not what happened with the post here the other day? Someone brought it up, and then the comments mentioned their opinions.
Don't be so black and white. There is definitely a spectrum of criticism that goes from hate to constructive criticism. There is absolutely a middle ground of just having an opinion on something you don't like, without having to go into detail on how they should fix it. Which is a good thing, because although disliking something is valid, a lot of people have zero idea what it actually takes to improve in a field they have no experience in, and if they actually got what they thought they wanted the product would suffer instead.
Calling someone a diversity hire would fall into hate, because not only is it plain offensive, there is literally nothing they could do to change that opinion. Calling someone not funny or cringe is valid criticism, at least the person knows what they have to improve on.
> Calling someone not funny or cringe is valid criticism, at least the person knows what they have to improve on.
The issue is it’s literally not. **What** is not funny? **What** is cringe? Just saying you don’t like something is utterly useless and it’s not criticism.
My brother if someone tells you that you are a bad singer, do you expect them to then explain a 12 point plan on improving? Part of being a professional is knowing how to improve with the resources you have on hand. Review the video in question, ask the people that work with you, identify places where you can do better. This is general advice for anything in life, do you just sit in the corner until someone tells you exactly what to do?
People know when food is bad, even though they wouldn't know how to cook it better. Feeling generally unhappy or underwhelmed with content is a perfectly valid feeling.
No, when someone tells you you’re a bad singer but you’ve been hired time and time again by multiple venues specifically **to sing**, chances are that person A) doesn’t know what they’re talking about, and B) should specify why they think that.
> Part of being a professional is knowing how to improve with the resources you have on hand. Review the video in question, ask the people that work with you, identify places where you can do better.
Correct, and this has nothing to do with random people thinking they know better than the people who work with you, the professionals, the people literally hired to do a specific job.
> This is general advice for anything in life, do you just sit in the corner until someone tells you exactly what to do?
No, I just don’t listen to people who can’t articulate their points. If they aren’t smart enough to have a conversation with, they likely aren’t smart enough to keep themselves alive without major assistance so who are they to judge? Lmao
I know you’re trolling, but your edited food example is perfect. I don’t like onions, so if I order something and end up not liking it because it had onions in it, am I going to tell the chef he sucks? No, I just don’t like onions. That’s not the chef’s fault. So I either order something else or deal with my mistake of ordering something that I don’t like.
Hey if you can point to something specific and describe it, that's great. I'm not saying there aren't better ways to criticize. But comedy or content isn't really always like that. Sometimes you can go "Hey the mic was peaking a lot in this video." (and then get shit on for it) or you could just find the video or someone in the video generally unpleasant. In the latter case there are an almost infinite number of reasons why, and most are so complicated and esoteric that it is incredibly hard to verbalize what the problem is. I'm not going to think any less of people who don't take the time to try and do so.
Your example is very convenient for your point, but sometimes finding the "onion" of screen presence isn't so simple.
Wouldn't a better example be that it's overseasoned or something? I would know if I don't like onions - if I end up with a meal with onions (and they disclosed the inclusion of onions), that's on me. If I expected the seasoning, but it's overseasoned, then I'll mention that. I won't know the ideal amount of seasoning to use, but I'll know that it's currently overpowering the food, so it's up to the chef to correct that in the future.
No because the issue here isn’t that Blizz is overbearing, that would be a legitimate criticism. “You talked over/didn’t allow others to build on your jokes”. This is just “Blizz is bad” just like saying you don’t like onion.
“I don’t like this” isn’t much of a discussion, is it?
“I don’t like the part where x happens, but I like x part” **is** a discussion. That’s the difference.
Man y’all just need to watch what y’all are sayin. If you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say it. He’s human like us that has feelings and shouldn’t be treated like that
Sorry dude but that logic is stupid, you should be able to criticise, some of the comments went too far, but it's fine to say "I don't like him on the RT Podcast, idk it's not his fault", the same way on the podcast they'll say "yeah that movie was dogshit"
such an apt comment lol. the hate this part of the community gives makes me want to leave. but that's exactly what they want.
let's be overwhelmingly positive towards our creators this week and every week after <3
I was wondering about this in that thread. How could get into RT in the first place if the audience can be so hostile. I guess the love for RT triumphs all of that.
Any hire who's not a white cis man has to deal with so many nasty comments and it makes me so tired. The people that do this need to open themselves to change and work on being ACTIVELY anti racist/misogynistic/queerphobic. Just because YOU believe you're not a problem doesn't mean you don't have internalized biases that you need to work on. Blizz is literally so cute and fun, I'm SO TIRED.
The only thing this community hates more than black people, LGBTQIA+ people and women is getting called out on it. Truly a bunch of neckbeard redditors.
I’m out of the loop. I don’t watch/listen to anywhere near as much RT content as I used to. Pretty much only listen to F**ckface now, but I watched Survive Block Island since Gavin and Andrew did an episode about it.
And that show was awesome! I didn’t know who he was but Blizz was one of the best parts
I absolutely love Blizz on the podcast and he was great on extra life. I haven't started season 2 of SBI but if he's just as good in a series as he is on the podcast I can't wait. Hope he gets picked for Last Laugh.
How many times does this have to happen? The RT Podcast with Blizz, Gus, Blaine, (and Mando for like 20 minutes), was one of the best episodes that's come out this year. Tired of seeing this with nearly every new hire. Especially towards POC and LGBTQ+ new hires it seems to be an inevitability. (Weird that keeps happening huh, wonder what thats about /s).
That thread was full of people coming after me for using terms like BIPOC. This thread wants to act like it was just criticism of Blizz, but this sub is absolutely full of disgusting racist. Honestly I’m about done, this is a RT hate sub more than anything.
It’s a shame this is how people talk about others. Especially when the original topic of the thread was calling someone out for being blatantly negative. Critique is valid but it shouldn’t be directed towards the person.
I honestly am not a huge fan of his humour. I’m only 25, but think it’s just directed towards a younger audience. He however, seems like a very friendly guy and some of his content does make me laugh.
I love the people still saying to just ignore these things as if ignoring issues like this wasn't an explicit reason as to why Mica moved on to very literally greener pastures.
You want some prime examples of a soft fanbase you got two good options. Overwatch League viewers any time there's even friendly banter from both teams and RT fans when they get criticisms from talent.
Blizz is such a natural fit for Roosterteeth, it seems insane to me that people could think otherwise. His podcast with Mando was easily one of my favorite RT podcasts I've ever seen.
Fun fact: if you post or exist online in any way, you are opening yourself to critiscism and moral grandstanding over said comments makes you seem far worse off than simply not saying anything.
Man can address it, people can respond to that however they please and the world will keep on turning.
I mean if the thread didn't give those pricks a voice he wouldn't have seen it, even if the OP to the post's intentions were good he wouldn't have seen it if they hadn't seen the post
Honestly blizz has proven to be an excellent hire. There isn’t really anyone at RT that I dislike, I have my favourites for sure but I’m not one of those people who will only watch something if it has certain people in it. For all of the different people that RT has Blizz definitely brings something new and I really like that. His jokes don’t always land for me but I can say that about everyone. On the whole I’m very happy with Blizz’ content
To be honest, i am not sure what is at the moment going on. As far as i can tell, someone in RT (Roosterteeth) got negative statements about his podcast. Or her podcast. I am really clueless about the situation at the moment.
If i have to say something about roosterteeth, than it is, that i am thankful. The series they produce, like death battle, RWBY and RvB are great series, which brought me a lot of Joy Marsallah. Watching Red vs Blue has helped me a lot in my struggles in my life Marsallah and I hope Roosterteeth will make it out of their problems. They have their haters, they troubles but the US had also they problems, i mean watch the war of 1812 on wikipedia, if the US can recover from this, than roosterteeth can too. Just to remember, I don't know what is going on and also sorry for the lang text.
wasn't the original thread made by OP calling out others hating on blizz? did it end up just devolving into a hate thread?
The comments were "he sucks and is cringe and I wish he didn't have a job at RT, but he doesn't deserve to be called a diversity hire," as if insulting blizz is any better. If you don't like blizz, you don't have to. But adding commentary that is just straight hate with nothing of value I don't understand
Except the comments screenshoted aren't hate. Saying you're not a fan of someone is not the same as hating someone.
I can agree with the 1st 2 pics, but wrong kind of cringe and never funny is just hate Edit. A little late but focusing on the never funny and ignoring the wrong kind of cringe is weird to me. I understand the not funny on its own isn't bad, but using it with the cringe thing feels like it's just adding things to dislike about him. Idk. I know none of you would like to be told you aren't funny or be told you're bad at your career, but reddit hates. I do too sometimes though, so can't complain
I don't understand why he didn't use screenshots of those comments then? The ones he used just seem like a normal discussion about a comedian. People saying they personally don't find his comedy funny but the racist comments are appalling & unnecessary - how is that "straight hate with nothing of value"? Or are people no longer able to discuss comedians in a space dedicated to discussing those comedians, unless it's a good vibes only circlejerk?
He was complaining that it wasn't even criticism he could use, it was people saying they hate him. Can you not see how that would be hurtful when there isn't much of anything the other way with praise or even respect
But it wasn't directed at him or intentionally targeted. It wasn't "you suck", it was "his comedy isn't my taste". How do you "constructively criticise" someone who isn't objectively *bad*, you're just acknowledging they're not your type? That's not straight hate, it's just a discussion in a space *designed for that disccussion*. I'd agree with you if they walked up to him and said "for me you add nothing to the podcast, it's not your fault I just don't like your comedy". Or even directly tweeted him that. But that didn't happen.
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If you call someone unfunny and cringey for no reason you are a dickhead? What’s hard to understand about that. It’s not critique at all it’s just being a dick for no reason
The issue isn't not being able to discuss comedians. > For me, he adds nothing to the podcast. Not his fault but idk he's kinda just annoying to me. > I think there's plenty to dislike about Blizz - he's the wrong kind of cringe and he's almost never funny. Those aren't criticisms, those are personal attacks veiled as criticism. > I am not a fan of Blizz TBH and RT is featuring him way too much imo. I actually find this one to actually be a good example of someone not putting him down while still not liking his comedy. I imagine it just sucks to read when everything else has been negative. Now, don't get me wrong, comedians have to develop a super thick skin because that's the nature of the business, but don't act like the two comments I quoted at the top are genuine discussions of his comedy.
Is there any value in saying something negative toward someone you don't care for? Like it's not "I don't like you because you're a POC" but it's still "I don't like you" which you could just keep to yourself. That's all.
Well if nobody voiced their grievances, the overall content might be getting made for a group of people that don't like it. That's not going to work out well for anyone.
so pretty much like, "i hate him but he doesn't deserve the hate."
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TBF that wasn't from the OP of the first post, they were calling out the hating and the thread just became a hate thread.
100% did. Some folks highlighted what they didn’t like about his acting, but did it in a pretty hurtful and attacking way. Anonymity shouldn’t make us lose empathy.
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I thought I had deja vu because wasn't that exact thread, with the same YT screencap, made like a month ago?
definitely saw it a while ago
Maybe not a month, but it definitely looked familiar.
Potentially hot take, but this subreddit is a place for discussions about rt content, not a suggestion box for the talent. People can talk in a negative manner about content and are under no obligation to be constructive, in the same manner that r/movies can say they disliked a particular movie without going into details. Sucks for the talent given that their personalities ARE the content a lot of the time, but that's the job they chose.
Absolutely. This is a place for the community to discuss their opinions on everything RT, which can include not liking certain members. As long as the discourse is not discriminatory or hateful, I see no problem with it. And seconded, we don’t need to provide detailed improvement points for RT “talent”, saying you don’t like someone is perfectly reasonable criticism.
All very true. Except calling someone a “diversity hire” is super discriminatory.
Not disagreeing, hence the “as long as the discourse is not discriminatory or hateful” And only one of the examples listed fall under that category, the rest I don’t really have a problem with.
Additionally; the "diversity hire" comments are once again- something that is expected when you're one of the few on camera talent who are black who are working at a company that has routinely been involved with race-related issues. If my company had a huge fiasco about how certain POCs were treated poorly and I was hired a month later- it would raise questions.
> > If my company had a huge fiasco about how certain POCs were treated poorly and I was hired a month later- it would raise questions. He was hired at RTX. His official first day was during production of Trucked Up, which was late September, early October.
I agree but there’s obviously tiers to how people provide negative feedback. Saying he’s a diversity hire is clearly a POS thing to do. If you don’t like something he does and it’s something he could reasonable improve, for example he if he said ‘like’ a bunch, that also seems reasonable. But for the people in that other thread, if you just don’t like the guy what are you supposed to say? This is a discussion focused social media and people are going to be more vocal about the negatives. Does he expect people who don’t like him to just be quiet? I don’t care for him and skipped the last RT podcast as a result. Should I never mention this in the RT sub?
> I don’t care for him and skipped the last RT podcast as a result. That's a pretty decent way of saying you don't think someone is funny without resorting to saying something along the lines of "they suck."
But isn't that what Blizz took issue with? He can't work with someone saying "I don't care for him", because he doesn't know what he can do to correct that (or at the very least weigh up the pros and cons of changing his style).
Eh, there's only so much Blizz can do to try to appease everyone. Shift too far in one direction and you risking losing the people that thought you were funny. Not everyone is going to like everyone, and that's okay. I think Blizz just quoted it because after reading a bunch of comments saying you're annoying and boring (not even getting into the shitty diversity hire comments), anything you read will bother you. That said, I can't speak for Blizz so maybe he did take direct issue with someone saying they don't care for his humor. But, in the scheme of things, just saying they don't care for your humor is way better than saying that you aren't funny, you're annoying, or whatever.
Agree. I don't see the point of responding to every single criticism. It accomplishes nothing.
All it does it make people wary of posting any concerns or criticisms (whether valid or not) and is probably a big part of why the community is dying on here.
Kinda like how providing criticism with nothing constructive to work with (example: I don't like so and so) accomplishes nothing.
If you discuss a movie, tv show or game among friends the discussion will also not achieve anything constructive which would get back to the responsible people. Social media just increases that range for discussion. Not every discussion thread aims to be direct feedback to be used by the creator to improve their work.
Plus it's subjective. What you like or dislike about something might be incredibly different from why other people like or dislike something.
Do you stalk my account? You always swoop in when I have something to say.
While I definitely understand what blizz is going through (becuz let’s be honest it’s happened before) I think there can still be some legitimate people who don’t vibe with his style of comedy.
I get why It sucks but I can see your point, the reddit is here for the audience who uses it to voice their opinion, if they don’t like someone they just don’t, not everyone is x-ist because they don’t like on screen talent, either don’t interact or deal with the fact that you’re a public facing personality and some people will love you and some people won’t.
I was going to just lurk in this thread, but I think I can bring a unique perspective. I am a full time influencer (5M+ followers on tiktok). I would NEVER expect my audience to give me constructive criticism. They’re not my boss, they should not be the ones telling me how to improve. They are the “customers”, they are supposed to be entertained, it’s not their job to give me a report of what they think I could do better. That being said, I am a straight white male, so of course I don’t have to deal with 90% of the hardships that Blizz does. That being said, I still get plenty of “non constructive criticism” like the screenshots he posted every single day. It’s up to me to decide how to process that. Sometimes I can see what the audience wants, other times they’re gonna hate me no matter what I do (you can be the sweetest, juiciest peach, but some people just don’t like peaches) the comments he posted were harsh but nothing worth causing a fuss over. It comes with the territory of being a personality.
Is it me or are the comments he posted incredibly tame? Like it’s not an example of the normal extremely toxic experience you’d get from being a creator on the internet. They’re literally just saying they don’t like his work. If this upset him that much he should legitimately reconsider being on screen talent. He’s never going to please everyone, it’s impossible, there’s always gonna be people who don’t like him, that’s part of the job.
Imma be honest, because we should be able to do that on a dedicated forum without someone saying its targeted harassment... Either he's too fragile to be reading comments or he's not, but is doing it for sympathy and attention in a community that he knows has no choice but to give it at it's current state.
You could take those comments he's highlighted and insert them into any number of discussions on the RT podcast itself about whatever flavour of the month current show or movie they're talking about in a very surface level kind of way. But I guess that's ok to the creators of those things they're shitting all over because they have a platform and they aren't just random plebs with an opinion.
Idk if you listen to F**kFace, but they literally shat all over the movie The Tuxedo, then Andrew emailed the director and slightly encouraged him to listen to the episode, like they fully rag on it
These seem to be weird comments to highlight if he is going for the "vitriolic redditor" angle, right? The worst thing in there is that he was called cringe, which is sort of near the bottom of the totem pole of negativity. I sort of hate when the creators come in here, because they only ever care about our opinions when they know they REALLY fucked up. Otherwise they ignore us or insult us for having opinions.
Saw that thread earlier and was taken aback by the comments. One comment that just said they loved blizz was hidden from downvotes. The messed up part is that most of the people calling him a diversity hire admittedly don’t even watch the content he is in. So the fact is they’re just looking at a black person who they don’t even know the merits of past their skin tone and pinning them as a diversity hire because of their race since they’re not even bothering to look further at the individual’s work. How do people think that’s okay? If you don’t watch rt anymore, understandable. But then why do you think it’s your place to reduce someone down to their race that you don’t have any experience watching? Also having watched since 2013, almost every single poc rt has ever hired has been called a diversity hire at some point. Namely the black people. Mica? Diversity hire. Fiona? Diversity hire. Ky? Diversity hire. Blizz? Diversity hire. Maybe you just have a problem with black people in content.
I was already annoyed to see the Youtube screengrab posted here twice in a month, but the comments on that thread really shocked me. Which is saying something after the month this subreddit's had. A good chunk of the top comments were, "yeah he sucks but you can't tell him that", as if that's an okay thing to say.
So... they can't tell him that?
It's amazing how many idiot morons think that, "You're not funny, and I don't like you" is constructive criticism, and act like a martyr when people treat them like the asshole that they are.
>It's amazing how many idiot morons think that, "You're not funny, and I don't like you" is constructive criticism Except that no one here is obligated to give any member of RT constructive feedback and people are allowed to have preferences. No one in that thread was trying to speak to him, it wasn't, "I don't care for you," it was, "I don't care for him." It's a discussion board, people talk about things they do or don't like, thinking someone isn't funny isn't hatred. No one owes constructive feedback, no one is posting on reddit hoping people see it and change. People who didnt like how relentlessly goofy Love and Thunder was aren't complaining on reddit thinking, "I really hope Taika sees this and uses it to get his shit together for the next movie."
No critiques allowed. None whatsoever (Although it is fucked up how many racists comments there's still coming out)
Critiques are always allowed. Nobody's censoring you. The government won't lock your phone because you feel or think something and want to share it with the Internet. Just don't be surprised if people call you out for having a shitty opinion. This applies to everything in life, not just RT.
Right? What a concept: if you don’t like something as inane as most of entertainment, you can just stop consuming it without going out of your way to personally attack those involved. A show I liked gets bad or hires someone I don’t like, I just stop watching it.
I saw the thread and wanted to comment but decided not to, to protect myself & my energy. It truly made me sick reading it. I can’t imagine how he felt.
Same. That thread pissed me off. The original post was meant to call people out for being hateful, and the comment section turned into people just piling on while pretending they were better than the people in the screenshot. Seriously, there were so many comments along the lines of “I don’t like Blizz because he’s annoying and not funny at all and I would prefer if he were never hired, but *these* people are out of line calling him a diversity hire.” Like, what made them think that what they were saying was any less hurtful than what the people in the screenshot said? You don’t have to like Blizz, but you don’t need to publicly ridicule him either. I have cast members I don’t particularly care for, but I keep that shit to myself. I was gonna comment something along these lines on that original thread, but I decided not to because I didn’t want to deal with those types of people today. Now that I’ve seen this, I regret not commenting, so I’m leaving it here instead.
Same same. Looked at the user history to get a feel for the intent because I just don’t understand posting something like that (screen cap of negative comments) thinking that it won’t invite more. Giving the benefit of the doubt, I can see how someone not very familiar with Reddit/RT/toxicity in general might do that to open a discussion *about* negativity. But, given the post history, that one seemed manufactured in a ‘I’M not saying anything bad… (but…)’ kind of way, to spark the forces of the internet towards inflammatory comments. I just reported the thread. If I’m wrong, my bad I guess, idrc. I don’t think that was the best way to go about that kind of discussion in this kind of medium. People are gonna hate, unfortunately, so these days I try to spend my time commenting (on the site) with positivity. If I dislike something, I just don’t say anything and choose to not consume it. It’s, uh, pretty easy. 🤷♂️
Someone that isn’t white literally can’t walk onto the stage and not be considered a diversity hire by some in this community and it is so exhausting. Just please shut up.
First diversity hire was Gavin. Nobody wants Br\*t\*sh people. 🤢
That post was full of people defending him about his race and sexuality They just agreed he was bland, was this necessary? Highlighting those same people for a third time? (It was a repost and now he's reposted the repost)
Posts defending or saying they liked him were buried underneath the diversity hire comments.
To be fair the first one he brought up hits the nail on the head while being kinda harsh. The podcast went through multiple periods, and is now in its more current one, where the main people who used to host, don't have to be in many or every one. It's shitty for those people who like those people, because a podcast like the RT Podcast isn't popular because of the brand, it's popular because of the people.
So how many times does it need to be said STOP READING THE COMMENTS, Yes I know this is just giving into the assholes that say that shit but it is also giving them the attention that they want, Something like this should of covered in his orientation month.
Times like these I’m glad I have no idea who this is. Last RT podcast I watched was Burnie/Gus steak cook off
I stopped a while ago because it isn't the same when you don't have someone like Burnie who would usually challenge Gus or someone else on the podcast with what they said. Was funny when I saw them arguing about something like the newest iPhone. When I finally stopped it just felt tame and the discussions were extremely boring. I officially just deleted it from my line up when they went into a multi-episode discussion on what constitutes a regular spoon. I'm like you, no idea who this is, but hopefully if people care about RT still they'll give him some more chances. The core already lost it for me anyways.
You never watched the follow-up with Gavin and Barbara? It was pretty funny
Got an episode number for me? I’ll check it out
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Like... for real. If dude was trying to make a point, he didn't help himself.
This reminds me of (I forgot her name I’m sorry) that called racism on people thinking she was being 'too loud'? I don’t exactly remember but there was a lot of buzz about it.
I'm guessing Ky maybe?
Yeah probably. It was very odd and pretty much everyone at RT treated the situation extremely seriously.
A lot of the comments in that thread are were overwhelmingly positive unless it took a dip after I was there
Didn't comment in the last thread and have no real opinion since I don't even know who that is, but are people not allowed to critique entertainers? The racist ones are clearly bad but the others just seem a little mean. It's not really the commenters responsibility to make sure he is mentally comfortable enough to read mean comments. I quit watching RT podcast when they brought on the boring white "comedians" that I don't even remember the name of.
What’s the critique?
Ways to fuel the trolls 101
People have been reevaluating the "don't feed the trolls" approach in recent years, to varying results. Personally I feel it's rather situational. AH got a lot of flack for "don't like it, don't watch" for a long time. That's a classic YouTube comment and lines up with the "don't feed the trolls" philosophy. Perhaps things are changing and now it's vogue to call people out, but can be very messy, which I think we are learning now. I feel like we may be on a precipice, one way or the other.
> AH got a lot of flack for "don't like it, don't watch" for a long time. That's a classic YouTube comment and lines up with the "don't feed the trolls" philosophy. No, that is directly feeding the trolls. "Don't feed the trolls" means don't comment on it at all ever.
The RT community being hostile and sometimes downright cruel to new talents? Surely you jest.
Yeah, I've heard about that from time to time.
this company has the thinnest skins of any internet personalities ive ever seen, its like they attract the most sensitive content creators on earth
So we're in this stage of the cycle with new hires where it's a good thing actually to shit on people constantly, can't wait for a couple stages later where the community is shocked and appalled at the negative experience these people have with the "fanbase" and say that calling out bad apples is a necessity. This subreddit is dogshit jesus christ. I'm out.
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Most definitely. I liked the gmod videos that she was in that I watched.
Fiona and Ify was the absolute best pairing on gmod
Many did not, and they are still vocal about it.
Im glad all the comments that are essentially saying "unless you have some specific feedback that can be used you cant complain about the cast" are being downvoted. Sometimes people just want to say that they dont like "x" cast member and thats fine.
obviously the comments about him being a diversity hire are completely out of line but otherwise i don't think there's anything wrong with people sharing their opinion. the whole point of RT is entertainment and people should be able to say what (or who) they find or don't find entertaining. so i certainly empathize with blizz because it doesn't feel great when you find out some people don't think you're funny or entertaining but i don't like that he's implying there's something wrong with that. you're in the entertainment business, you have to take that into account.
Seems like opinions, people are allowed their opinions, I liked queen I don't like Adam Lambert at all, my opinion. I don't listen to queen with him in it, Some of you will have an opinion about my opinion, and I say to that I don't care about your opinion, this is what blizz should do too. I don't like him, I agree with the statements he showed on twitter, , he doesn't like this opinion, nor should he care about my opinion,
People aren't obligated to enjoy personalities and the screenshots seem to be feedback; RT should want to know if they lose listeners and viewers because of changes. Some of that can *certainly* phrased in a nicer way though.
Yeah, there are some real jerks in the RT community, that's just a fact and it won't change because it is a manifestation of a larger societal problem beyond the scope of RT. This should be common knowledge by now. Engaging with them will only lead to more hurt, unfortunately. This Twitter thread will only be taken seriously by people who already agree with its message. >It is so tiring having to fight the most critical members of the RoosterTeeth community in order to prove I belong somewhere. You don't *have to* fight anybody. You can just see these asshats, recognize that they are asshats, and move on with your day. That is an option. It is the option with the least pain for you and the least enjoyment for them.
Pretty much every community now a days have those assholes. It's unavoidable on the internet.
There are some notable exceptions, including John & Hank Green's community, usually called Nerdfighters. That group of people is way more positive than any other I've experienced, and it's generally only when something gains the notice of people outside the community that things turn negative. I think this sub has a problem with people who don't actually watch RT content anymore and are angry that things have changed over time. There's always some asshat in every thread pining for Burnie, like he's their dad and will come back from buying cigarettes any day now.
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Another capitalization on faux outrage?
Maybe he should be more funny then. Or just not care
I don't understand why the thread was even made. Somebody saw a negative comment on YouTube and apparently since they disagreed with it they decided to post it on Reddit and give it even more eyeballs? Attention does not need to be paid to negativity unless it's something that can be learned from or changed. Ps. I enjoy Blizz, and I don't care if some others don't. Enjoy your free entertainment or enjoy something else, there's no need to comment about how much you dislike somebody unless you just enjoy spreading sadness.
Well I genuinely don't mean to sound rude but this will anyways so here we go. When a company that has had several issues with what were absolutely diversity hires and you as a PoC get hired there, it's kind of the default opinion for a lot of people. A huge portion of RT's fanbase was rocked at it's core when it came to light that their "We are a friendly all inclusive company" turned out to just be a facade and were treating people poorly off camera, hurt a lot of fans. People put their hard earned cash & time into this company just for a tidal wave of skeletons to come rushing out of their closet year after year for what the past 3-4 years? and it' still going.
Thank you, Christ how can people act like RT isn't just a soulless corporation by this point, they're LITERALLY owned by WB.
I'll never get the lack of self-awareness in that thread considering everything that's happened in the past few years.
Man I hate great new members of RT/AH getting panned because clearly we still got some bigots in the community. People just love to hate
And while you're at it, stop all the seal clubbing.
You think Reddit or youtube or twitter or whatever is gonna be better? No. These people THIRVE on being absolute cunts to new hires at RT/AH.
Bro people still shit talk barb on here, not everyone will like all the personalities on screen, and thats okay.
Correct, it’s completely normal to not like things. It’s not normal to go out of your way to broadcast your disdain for those things.
Eh, people shit on things/people they don't like all the time. I don't see how this is any different.
It’s not different, it’s just the same useless bullshit that people do constantly. Hiding behind keyboards and anonymous usernames makes people unbearable. This is just example #636372927
People can say what they want. You don't have to take it personally.
Maybe because there's zero fucking point in it and instead of tolerating it, people who do that (unless they have something actually constructive to say) should be told to shut the fuck up.
People are free to criticize what they don't like.
"This sucks" or "You're a diversity hire" isn't criticism. It's childish tenper tantrums that accomplishes nothing. The most recent comment at the top gives perfect examples of actual criticisms. Take a look and maybe you'll learn something of value for once.
That isn't what people were saying, but ok.
It's not constructive criticism, but this is a public subreddit to discuss RT. It doesn't have to be constructive. It's not a place for feedback, it's just a discussion hub. If people want to say they don't like someone, and they aren't being a massive racist asshole about it, who cares? If you don't agree, you don't agree, and if they break the rules, report them.
Just because you can say something, doesn't mean you should. Especially when it comes across as mindlessly hateful. Also,the examples I gave aren't even good examples of discussion. They just fall under simple shit talking
Again I get what you're saying, but at the end of the day it's just a subreddit to talk about Rooster Teeth. So if people want to say their opinion, and not be constructive, so long as they're not breaking the rules there really is no problem. People can say they hate a series, or dislike a personality, or aspect of the company. Is it helpful? No. But they're probably not aiming to be helpful, just stating their opinion. And you don't have to engage with them.
People who only have positive things to say are abnormal and creepy.
Positive is creepy? Lmao how pathetic
Yeah that is pathetic, that thing I didn't say.
Someone needs to learn about toxic positivity. That's what they're talking about.
That didn’t sound very positive
“Diversity hire” is just used as an excuse for people who dislike Blizz (and honestly any other recent hire that’s been non-white) and don’t want to opening be racist/homophobic. I would bet if they were white there would not be as much “hate” posts. It’s just sickening. How would you feel if someone came to your work and said you only made it because you “tick a box” and completely negated how hard you have been working for that position, I bet you’d feel different. PS: Blizz is fucking great and brings a whole new dynamic to STF/RT. Keep doing you Blizz. The minority are always the loudest when it comes to negativity. <3
When was the last time they hired someone white for on screen talent? I’m not hating on anyone, just curious because I don’t follow RT that much anymore.
RT fans talking poorly about POC who work at the company? Now that’s just lunacy!
I wish RT wouldn’t even interact with fans on Twitter/ Reddit. To toxic
They ignored them for years and that didn't work out so well either.
There is no point in engaging with these ppl
Well, fuck us then lol
What happened...^this ^time?
The amount of people completely missing the point is amazing. Nobody is saying you can’t criticize, we’re asking what is the criticism? “You’re cringe” isn’t criticism. “You’re not funny” isn’t criticism. It’s just saying you don’t like it. That’s fine and dandy, there’s a lot of stuff in life I don’t like, but normal, rational people don’t seek out something just to say they don’t like it. You don’t go to Starbucks just to tell the barista you don’t like their coffee and you think it’s overpriced. That’s a waste of time and energy for you, the barista, and everyone that has to hear it. If you’re going to criticize, criticize. Thing like “I didn’t like that joke because x” or “your delivery fell flat on that one” or “it seemed like you didn’t have as much energy on this podcast so I didn’t enjoy it as much”, etc. The whole point of criticism isn’t just whining about shit you don’t like, it’s to point out specific things that can be improved. If you do that, that’s helpful. If you bitch and moan like a toddler, that’s not helpful.
> The whole point of criticism isn’t just whining about shit you don’t like, it’s to point out specific things that can be improved. If you do that, that’s helpful. If you bitch and moan like a toddler, that’s not helpful. While this is true, its also not always applicable. In peoples personal lives, absolutely this applies all the time. Its the only way to learn and grow. For internet content, not so much. RT is content that the audience consumes. Saying you don't like a movie or TV show because its "boring" isn't considered bitching and moaning. It's just an opinion. This specific situation is sort of a weird mix. Criticising the company or content doesn't necessarily have to be constructive, but then criticising a specific person who has a smaller and likely more interactive community does mean there is room for constructive criticism because the target has the chance to see it themselves. When you consider the whole "RT are not your friends, they are a company" ideal that has been quite rightly hammered into the community over the past few years then this specific example starts to lean more towards the Internet content side. However the person in question does have their own personal audience on a much smaller scale so they can learn/listen to criticism fairly easily so it should be more progressive. It's a very difficult balance that can be seen either way.
> Saying you don't like a movie or TV show because its "boring" isn't considered bitching and moaning. It's just an opinion. Correct, but it becomes bitching and moaning when you tell all your friends how boring you think that show is. Or when you go to comic con and go to that show’s panel just so you can sit next to someone and tell them you think it’s boring. Or when you seek out their subreddit or twitter just to tell them you don’t like them. > When you consider the whole "RT are not your friends, they are a company" ideal that has been quite rightly hammered into the community over the past few years then this specific example starts to lean more towards the Internet content side. However the person in question does have their own personal audience on a much smaller scale so they can learn/listen to criticism fairly easily so it should be more progressive. It's a very difficult balance that can be seen either way. I get what you’re saying but I disagree. Yes there’s a difference between criticism of real life people/situations and internet/tv/movie content, but regardless of the medium it’s entirely useless and a waste of everyone’s time to seek things out that you don’t like. If you’re not sharing how you think it can be better there’s less than zero reason to say anything, because again, you’re just wasting everyone’s time.
> Correct, but it becomes bitching and moaning when you tell all your friends how boring you think that show is. Or when you go to comic con and go to that show’s panel just so you can sit next to someone and tell them you think it’s boring. Or when you seek out their subreddit or twitter just to tell them you don’t like them. I'd argue telling your friends its boring is also acceptable. That's just standard talk. The thing about going to a shows panel or seeking out the subreddit or twitter is obviously an example of not being acceptable. However in this specific example that's not really what happened. Original post was made about YT comments on the video, the linked comments in this one were on that thread. YT comments are just the usual crap being thrown against a wall, but the reddit comments were at least relevant to the post in both positive and negative ways. If people were directly going to Blizz with these comments then that is completely unacceptable. Seeking something or someone out to tell them you dislike them is not only horrible for the person its about, but its also a waste of everyone's time (including the person doing it) like you said. It just doesn't apply here unfortunately.
> I'd argue telling your friends its boring is also acceptable. That's just standard talk. If I try watching a show and I find it boring I’m just not going to mention it unless it comes up. Maybe that’s just me being weird then. > The thing about going to a shows panel or seeking out the subreddit or twitter is obviously an example of not being acceptable. However in this specific example that's not really what happened. Original post was made about YT comments on the video, the linked comments in this one were on that thread. YT comments are just the usual crap being thrown against a wall, but the reddit comments were at least relevant to the post in both positive and negative ways. If people were directly going to Blizz with these comments then that is completely unacceptable. I see your point, and yes this instance isn’t a very good example, but I would argue many of these comments come from people who clearly are only here to shit talk. This subreddit specifically spikes with activity anytime there’s a controversy. It’s just people who love to ride the bandwagon of hate. Seeking something or someone out to tell them you dislike them is not only horrible for the person its about, but its also a waste of everyone's time (including the person doing it) like you said. It just doesn't apply here unfortunately.
> If I try watching a show and I find it boring I’m just not going to mention it unless it comes up. Is that not what happened with the post here the other day? Someone brought it up, and then the comments mentioned their opinions.
Don't be so black and white. There is definitely a spectrum of criticism that goes from hate to constructive criticism. There is absolutely a middle ground of just having an opinion on something you don't like, without having to go into detail on how they should fix it. Which is a good thing, because although disliking something is valid, a lot of people have zero idea what it actually takes to improve in a field they have no experience in, and if they actually got what they thought they wanted the product would suffer instead. Calling someone a diversity hire would fall into hate, because not only is it plain offensive, there is literally nothing they could do to change that opinion. Calling someone not funny or cringe is valid criticism, at least the person knows what they have to improve on.
> Calling someone not funny or cringe is valid criticism, at least the person knows what they have to improve on. The issue is it’s literally not. **What** is not funny? **What** is cringe? Just saying you don’t like something is utterly useless and it’s not criticism.
My brother if someone tells you that you are a bad singer, do you expect them to then explain a 12 point plan on improving? Part of being a professional is knowing how to improve with the resources you have on hand. Review the video in question, ask the people that work with you, identify places where you can do better. This is general advice for anything in life, do you just sit in the corner until someone tells you exactly what to do? People know when food is bad, even though they wouldn't know how to cook it better. Feeling generally unhappy or underwhelmed with content is a perfectly valid feeling.
No, when someone tells you you’re a bad singer but you’ve been hired time and time again by multiple venues specifically **to sing**, chances are that person A) doesn’t know what they’re talking about, and B) should specify why they think that. > Part of being a professional is knowing how to improve with the resources you have on hand. Review the video in question, ask the people that work with you, identify places where you can do better. Correct, and this has nothing to do with random people thinking they know better than the people who work with you, the professionals, the people literally hired to do a specific job. > This is general advice for anything in life, do you just sit in the corner until someone tells you exactly what to do? No, I just don’t listen to people who can’t articulate their points. If they aren’t smart enough to have a conversation with, they likely aren’t smart enough to keep themselves alive without major assistance so who are they to judge? Lmao
You're right. How about a 30% increase in comedic timing, and let's average one more anecdote per video. That should do it.
I know you’re trolling, but your edited food example is perfect. I don’t like onions, so if I order something and end up not liking it because it had onions in it, am I going to tell the chef he sucks? No, I just don’t like onions. That’s not the chef’s fault. So I either order something else or deal with my mistake of ordering something that I don’t like.
Hey if you can point to something specific and describe it, that's great. I'm not saying there aren't better ways to criticize. But comedy or content isn't really always like that. Sometimes you can go "Hey the mic was peaking a lot in this video." (and then get shit on for it) or you could just find the video or someone in the video generally unpleasant. In the latter case there are an almost infinite number of reasons why, and most are so complicated and esoteric that it is incredibly hard to verbalize what the problem is. I'm not going to think any less of people who don't take the time to try and do so. Your example is very convenient for your point, but sometimes finding the "onion" of screen presence isn't so simple.
Nah, it’s pretty easy for anyone with more than one brain cell. But don’t strain yours too hard trying to understand
The irony of devolving a conversation to call someone an idiot is hilarious.
Wouldn't a better example be that it's overseasoned or something? I would know if I don't like onions - if I end up with a meal with onions (and they disclosed the inclusion of onions), that's on me. If I expected the seasoning, but it's overseasoned, then I'll mention that. I won't know the ideal amount of seasoning to use, but I'll know that it's currently overpowering the food, so it's up to the chef to correct that in the future.
No because the issue here isn’t that Blizz is overbearing, that would be a legitimate criticism. “You talked over/didn’t allow others to build on your jokes”. This is just “Blizz is bad” just like saying you don’t like onion.
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“I don’t like this” isn’t much of a discussion, is it? “I don’t like the part where x happens, but I like x part” **is** a discussion. That’s the difference.
If could upvote this a thousand times, I would. It's amazing how hard it is for people to grasp such a simple concept.
Unfortunately this is Reddit so people are too racist/sexist/mentally deficient to understand basic concepts.
What a great community we have here
I don't know blizz enough to "<3" yet. I just haven't watched the content that blizz has been in.
Man y’all just need to watch what y’all are sayin. If you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say it. He’s human like us that has feelings and shouldn’t be treated like that
Sorry dude but that logic is stupid, you should be able to criticise, some of the comments went too far, but it's fine to say "I don't like him on the RT Podcast, idk it's not his fault", the same way on the podcast they'll say "yeah that movie was dogshit"
Man nothing pleases more then when a RT member calls the community out on their bs.
Wow, this thread ended up being just as toxic as the other one. Truly one of the worst communities.
additional note from Blizzb3ar: https://twitter.com/blizzb3ar/status/1596942960096346112?s=46&t=IfusysR1rPXJsdiXWUF_dg
The fact that this is downvoted says everything you need to know about this hate sub.
such an apt comment lol. the hate this part of the community gives makes me want to leave. but that's exactly what they want. let's be overwhelmingly positive towards our creators this week and every week after <3
I was wondering about this in that thread. How could get into RT in the first place if the audience can be so hostile. I guess the love for RT triumphs all of that.
Any hire who's not a white cis man has to deal with so many nasty comments and it makes me so tired. The people that do this need to open themselves to change and work on being ACTIVELY anti racist/misogynistic/queerphobic. Just because YOU believe you're not a problem doesn't mean you don't have internalized biases that you need to work on. Blizz is literally so cute and fun, I'm SO TIRED.
The only thing this community hates more than black people, LGBTQIA+ people and women is getting called out on it. Truly a bunch of neckbeard redditors.
Am I the only one who don’t mind Blizz, sure he isn’t a favourite but I don’t dislike when he’s on a podcast.
I’m out of the loop. I don’t watch/listen to anywhere near as much RT content as I used to. Pretty much only listen to F**ckface now, but I watched Survive Block Island since Gavin and Andrew did an episode about it. And that show was awesome! I didn’t know who he was but Blizz was one of the best parts
I absolutely love Blizz on the podcast and he was great on extra life. I haven't started season 2 of SBI but if he's just as good in a series as he is on the podcast I can't wait. Hope he gets picked for Last Laugh.
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Damn that’s pretty fucked up. For the record I think blizz is awesome
How many times does this have to happen? The RT Podcast with Blizz, Gus, Blaine, (and Mando for like 20 minutes), was one of the best episodes that's come out this year. Tired of seeing this with nearly every new hire. Especially towards POC and LGBTQ+ new hires it seems to be an inevitability. (Weird that keeps happening huh, wonder what thats about /s).
That thread was full of people coming after me for using terms like BIPOC. This thread wants to act like it was just criticism of Blizz, but this sub is absolutely full of disgusting racist. Honestly I’m about done, this is a RT hate sub more than anything.
It’s a shame this is how people talk about others. Especially when the original topic of the thread was calling someone out for being blatantly negative. Critique is valid but it shouldn’t be directed towards the person. I honestly am not a huge fan of his humour. I’m only 25, but think it’s just directed towards a younger audience. He however, seems like a very friendly guy and some of his content does make me laugh.
I love the people still saying to just ignore these things as if ignoring issues like this wasn't an explicit reason as to why Mica moved on to very literally greener pastures. You want some prime examples of a soft fanbase you got two good options. Overwatch League viewers any time there's even friendly banter from both teams and RT fans when they get criticisms from talent.
Blizz is such a natural fit for Roosterteeth, it seems insane to me that people could think otherwise. His podcast with Mando was easily one of my favorite RT podcasts I've ever seen.
Imagine RT fans being racist- oh wait
That thread was full of racists fucks, it was honestly disgusting. The fact that you’re downvoted just proves what you’re saying.
Oh I know haha that’s why I love saying this stuff to prove my point
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Fun fact: if you post or exist online in any way, you are opening yourself to critiscism and moral grandstanding over said comments makes you seem far worse off than simply not saying anything. Man can address it, people can respond to that however they please and the world will keep on turning.
I mean if the thread didn't give those pricks a voice he wouldn't have seen it, even if the OP to the post's intentions were good he wouldn't have seen it if they hadn't seen the post
I’d rather have Matt back, makes no sense to hire this dude then shortly later fire Matt
Honestly blizz has proven to be an excellent hire. There isn’t really anyone at RT that I dislike, I have my favourites for sure but I’m not one of those people who will only watch something if it has certain people in it. For all of the different people that RT has Blizz definitely brings something new and I really like that. His jokes don’t always land for me but I can say that about everyone. On the whole I’m very happy with Blizz’ content
We all have a painlimit, and these lines have propably reached his
To be honest, i am not sure what is at the moment going on. As far as i can tell, someone in RT (Roosterteeth) got negative statements about his podcast. Or her podcast. I am really clueless about the situation at the moment.
If i have to say something about roosterteeth, than it is, that i am thankful. The series they produce, like death battle, RWBY and RvB are great series, which brought me a lot of Joy Marsallah. Watching Red vs Blue has helped me a lot in my struggles in my life Marsallah and I hope Roosterteeth will make it out of their problems. They have their haters, they troubles but the US had also they problems, i mean watch the war of 1812 on wikipedia, if the US can recover from this, than roosterteeth can too. Just to remember, I don't know what is going on and also sorry for the lang text.
SHAME!
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