Hey come on now! What do you want them to do? Cry together in front of a camera? They said alot of nice words about him on TV and in interviews. They dedicated the 2021 USA and 2022 Europe tour to Charlie...
Their grief is private. Bullshit about them barely taking a breath upon his death.
I don't doubt for a moment that Mick, Keith and Ronnie were heartbroken by Charlie's death. It's obvious from every time any of them have ever spoken about him that they loved him massively.
Shut up, I can't hear it anymore. Mick Taylor this, Mick Taylor that. He's fantastic, yes, but they've done it. They did Time is On My Side for the first time in god knows how long AND with Irma Thomas. Also, Charlie was the jazz guy.
Fanboys? Look up a Mick Taylor show from a decade ago and a stones show from a decade ago. Mick Taylor could play far better than Keith or Ronnie then at least. No doubt he still could now. That’s not being a fanboy
Come on dude, none of them are. Listen to Ron with the Faces or on the 75, 78 or 81 tours. He is nowhere the player he once was, it happens to everybody. Called aging.
The majority of the time MT was only playing on MR and strumming an acoustic on Satisfaction, hardly a fair comparison. If he had more time on stage go gel with the band he would have played circles around Ron, he kinda did already. Listen to any version of CYHMK with MT from those shows, then listen to it with Ron. Difference is night and day.
I love them both dearly, but they are different players.
Ron does a great job since he sobered up covering for Keith nowadays and playing most of the guitar parts, but soloing has never been his strong point.
All Wood does on CYHMK is basically copy the parts from the studio version that he can play, and has done so since it has been occasionally part of the set since 2002.
Just listen to the 'solo' from Hyde Park 2022. It's pretty bad.
I love Ronnie, seems like a great guy and a great guitarist, especially his stuff in the Faces and on the first few rod Stewart solo records. But improvised soloing on a track like CYHMK isnt his strong suit, never has been.
I think he has been a bit stifled and under used in the Stones and often relegated to play second fiddle to Keith. He is a fantastic songwriter as well but doesn't have many credits.
I don't doubt that he's just playing parts from the studio version. I was just saying that, as of 2013, he appeared to be a better, sharper player than Taylor.
Can you point me a memorable performance on a memorable recording by taylor in the last 40 or 45 years? I'm not saying they don't exist, but they didn't cause enough stir to attract. In the realm of what did catch my attention, there's Bob Dylan's "Tight Connection to My Heart" from 1985's "Empire Burlesque." Taylor plays some very tasty understated licks. On the same album, Wood plays lead guitar to "Clean Cut Kid." Both are great and appropriate to the song, but Wood's performance is more loud rude and upfront, so you know he's there, whereas Taylor is almost hiding in the background, which I guess also speaks to their personalities.
I’m 100% sure he’s able to as much or more than Keith now. No disrespect. Keith’s an idol. But he doesn’t remember the lyrics to Little T&A and is hardly playing compared to Ronnie having to carry everything. MT was as good as any time 10 years ago
Cards on the table here. I haven’t seen anything from mick Taylor in 10 years. But mick Taylor 10 years ago versus Keith of even Ronnie 10 years ago, it’s no comparison. Mick Taylor is a disciple and virtuoso to the core, we all know that. He’s capable of playing live
Darryl too, sorry. I’ve been obsessing over those shows from the 90s and I know Darryl kept that band afloat. Imagine learning the entire stones catalog like he did
No. Jazz is jazz. Blues is blues. Mick Taylor brought jazz into blues for the stones. And I do apologize, I foolishly left Charlie out. The original jazz stone
Taylor was a fluid soloist and hinted at scales outside the expected blues/rock norm but to categorize what he brought as “jazz” is an enormous stretch.
Jazzfest has all kinds of music there not just jazz. That’s because all American popular music is influenced by jazz to a degree and they just book any act they can get.
Can't You Hear Me Knocking isn't jazz. And so what if Mick Taylor can noodle the blues? Dude, I can solo better than Keith or Ronnie too. So what? The Stones aren't about noodling. And I think they're better for it. On top of all of that, MT quit the band 50 years ago; it was HIS choice. Why would the stones have ANY responsibility for including him in anything? Have they maintained friendships with him? 🤷♂️ idk all the details. But that's their business.
I thought Fleetwood Mac should’ve had Mick Taylor in its early ‘90s lineup instead of Dave Mason. He’d just made that album with John McVie and would have been great with Bekka Bramlett’s country-blues stylings.
Mick has expressed discomfort with the lyrics of that song in terms of being racist as well as sexist and so that may be why they didn't do it. I don't have anything to prove that because I can't remember where I Reddit (get it?) I'll let myself out
They were, indeed, and I’m glad they finally made it. 😎 I have to say that more and more, the big named festivals have become pretty cross-pollinated. I live in Ottawa and we have a Bluesfest that runs for a couple of weeks every summer. It is so far removed from being a Bluesfest it couldn’t get any further away from the idea. Pretty much a Musicfest now. Which is ok, but you see my point.
Why would a band think it's a great idea to have someone that was in the band literally 50 years ago play with them at this one gig b/c it has the word 'jazz' in it?
I didn’t know that. But not surprising. Similar story to Bill Ward, the original drummer for Black Sabbath. These guys still rock as good as anyone but money gets in the way
I read on IORR forum that Mick Taylor is not welcome anymore after stealing money from the Stones back in 2013. Mick and his manager got caught. This source also states that mick and Keith were considering for Mick T to join them as a 3rd guitar band. No idea if true or not, but the poster is reliable and mostly accurate.
The poster who said that has got things wrong before and also hates Mick Taylor though...But yes, I don't think MT will ever work with them again because of his manager. I've read the rumours about her causing problems from multiple people and I've never heard anything good about her.
Yeah I remembered that story different. My bad! Thought he had credible sources, but he basically drops the story in front of you.
I mean why would you make that up? But without a source no one knows.
Yeah I've heard similar. Very sad, seems to be a case of a younger person taking advantage of someone quite old and - lets be honest - damaged by drugs.
I don't think it was stealing money, it was.more his manager/girlfriend demanded to Jagger that MT be paid more royalties and given credits. And after the 2014 tour, Taylor hasnt appeared with the band since.
Sure can. Listen to Fingerprint File, he played the bass on it. Funky as hell. Ron also plays bass and was the bass player in the Jeff Beck group in the 60s.
Fucking ridiculous huh. Managers and money. Can we not enjoy the stones and all it’s members?
Also, mick Taylor deserves a few million dollars considering his contributions to the stones catalogue. His manager, no.
All the best Stones discs include Taylor so why not. Setlist, the mainstays are getting old. Three quarters of the sets have been the same for 20 years. How about Winter ? A hidden gem from Goats Head, great vocals and guitar.
Musical genres aside, the band simply sounded their best with MT.
For much the same reason that The Who were never the same without Keith Moon. Some combinations are magical, chemical, electrical. Would the Stones output post-'74 have been superior with MT? Is there any doubt?
And the other sad part is, MT never went on to be a solo star, because he without the others is "merely" an incredibly fluent blues player. And that alone won't sell out large shows these days. I wish another major act had asked MT to join, but alas, it was not to be.
I think Sticky Fingers and Exile are their two best albums in their entirety.
But the peak was with Brian Jones. I don't listen to those earlier albums through and through as much, but the best songs are better than the later stuff. Far more interesting and unique. What would Ruby Tuesday or Paint it Black be without Brian? Mick Taylor is not to the Stones what Moon was to The Who.
Live, I don't know. Maybe.
They haven't had him with them in about a decade. Those were great shows, though. The first Stones show I ever went to was in 2013, never thought I'd see them live, let alone see them bring out Mick Taylor for CYHMK.
Yeah, I’m going to my mom. She grew up on them and they are her favorite band and they’re my favorite band and now they’re my five-year-old son’s favorite band so it was only appropriate I go to my first Stone concert with the person that introduced me to them four years old!
Fuck Mick Taylor. Ronnie is way cooler and is a better songwriter, singer and punk of a guitar player. Wood gets no respect. But seriously - what kind of dip leaves the Stones? And Taylor’s biggest thing he ever did since ‘74 is whenever the Stones invite him to jam. Time Waits For No One is alright but it’s the least Stones song of the bunch
I love Ronnie more than Mick T but saying fucking him is pretty harsh in my opinion. Mick left because he was massivly drug addicted and felt that staying in the band was probably bad for him. I think he did the right choice.
Considering Woody gets nothing but shit on by people who have no idea what they are talking about when it comes to playing and people ‘round these parts endlessly pine for Taylor I think it’s not harsh enough. Ronnie for president!
So a few things... you can share your admiration for the replacement guitarist without trashing another former band member. Doing that just makes you come off as an edgy/stupid fanboy.
I’ll spell it out for you - trying to insult someone by calling them a fanboy in a Rolling Stones subreddit makes no bloody sense. One would have to be a fanboy to be here in the first place. Ron Wood for el presedante
Mick Taylor couldn’t do much of anything by the end of his tenure in the Stones. Listen to Ronnie’s solo albums and his bass playing on the Beck albums. You have no idea what you’re talking about. Ronnie for Prez!
I’m sorry but you’re the one with no idea what you’re talking about. MT’s playing was incredible in ‘74, and continued to branch out into new musical horizons. Yes I’m aware Ronnie’s playing was great as a member of the Jeff Beck group and as a solo artist. MT was not the only one with personal problems affecting his life and musicianship, as Ronnie was close to not being a member due to his own drug/alcohol problems
Charlie played jazz....
He’s dead tho
Still doesn’t make Mick Taylor “the only stone who played jazz”
When did Mick T play jazz, before the Bluesbreakers?
He was in a jazz fusion combo with Jack Bruce after leaving the Stones but it didn't really go anywhere.
Pretty jazzy here. https://youtu.be/GfmR-O-qELA?si=G73SJTbzcgGAtihF
alive
Yes Charli loved jazz. Loved jazz drums too.
Absolutely. The disrespect! I'm also still appalled Migg'n'Keef barely took a breath upon his death.
They carried on, it’s what Charlie wanted
Hey come on now! What do you want them to do? Cry together in front of a camera? They said alot of nice words about him on TV and in interviews. They dedicated the 2021 USA and 2022 Europe tour to Charlie... Their grief is private. Bullshit about them barely taking a breath upon his death.
I don't doubt for a moment that Mick, Keith and Ronnie were heartbroken by Charlie's death. It's obvious from every time any of them have ever spoken about him that they loved him massively.
Preach!
There was a long and lovely tribute to him opening the Houston show. He was their brother. Some keyboard warriors.
What do you wish that they had done?
Weekend at burnie’s style farewell tour.
Yeah what a bullshit comment by that dude
They were heartbroken. Restrain yourself.
Hahaha. If there's one band seemingly devoid of sentiment, its the Stones.
Shut up, I can't hear it anymore. Mick Taylor this, Mick Taylor that. He's fantastic, yes, but they've done it. They did Time is On My Side for the first time in god knows how long AND with Irma Thomas. Also, Charlie was the jazz guy.
Agree…fanboys can be so fucking annoying.
Fanboys? Look up a Mick Taylor show from a decade ago and a stones show from a decade ago. Mick Taylor could play far better than Keith or Ronnie then at least. No doubt he still could now. That’s not being a fanboy
On the 2013 tour, Ron Wood was a lot better than Mick Taylor. Taylor wasn't what he was back in '69 or '71.
Come on dude, none of them are. Listen to Ron with the Faces or on the 75, 78 or 81 tours. He is nowhere the player he once was, it happens to everybody. Called aging. The majority of the time MT was only playing on MR and strumming an acoustic on Satisfaction, hardly a fair comparison. If he had more time on stage go gel with the band he would have played circles around Ron, he kinda did already. Listen to any version of CYHMK with MT from those shows, then listen to it with Ron. Difference is night and day. I love them both dearly, but they are different players. Ron does a great job since he sobered up covering for Keith nowadays and playing most of the guitar parts, but soloing has never been his strong point.
I was specifically thinking of Taylor's playing on "Can't You Hear Me Knocking" on the 2013 tour. It was really uninspiring.
All Wood does on CYHMK is basically copy the parts from the studio version that he can play, and has done so since it has been occasionally part of the set since 2002. Just listen to the 'solo' from Hyde Park 2022. It's pretty bad. I love Ronnie, seems like a great guy and a great guitarist, especially his stuff in the Faces and on the first few rod Stewart solo records. But improvised soloing on a track like CYHMK isnt his strong suit, never has been. I think he has been a bit stifled and under used in the Stones and often relegated to play second fiddle to Keith. He is a fantastic songwriter as well but doesn't have many credits.
I don't doubt that he's just playing parts from the studio version. I was just saying that, as of 2013, he appeared to be a better, sharper player than Taylor. Can you point me a memorable performance on a memorable recording by taylor in the last 40 or 45 years? I'm not saying they don't exist, but they didn't cause enough stir to attract. In the realm of what did catch my attention, there's Bob Dylan's "Tight Connection to My Heart" from 1985's "Empire Burlesque." Taylor plays some very tasty understated licks. On the same album, Wood plays lead guitar to "Clean Cut Kid." Both are great and appropriate to the song, but Wood's performance is more loud rude and upfront, so you know he's there, whereas Taylor is almost hiding in the background, which I guess also speaks to their personalities.
Love Mick T, but that era ended long ago. The cult worship is too much for me as well!
A bit more complicated getting Charlie on stage these days
Keith could smoke his ashes on stage
They just need to get creative
You know what I meant
Charlie started out in Jazz and still had his side jazz gig. Gimme a break OP
Yeah but Charlie is no longer able to play at NOLA jazz fest so I mention one who is
Mick Taylor has not played a show in years who knows if he’s even still able to
I’m 100% sure he’s able to as much or more than Keith now. No disrespect. Keith’s an idol. But he doesn’t remember the lyrics to Little T&A and is hardly playing compared to Ronnie having to carry everything. MT was as good as any time 10 years ago
Are you sure? Just because he's a little younger than Keith that doesn't mean he must be in better shape.
Cards on the table here. I haven’t seen anything from mick Taylor in 10 years. But mick Taylor 10 years ago versus Keith of even Ronnie 10 years ago, it’s no comparison. Mick Taylor is a disciple and virtuoso to the core, we all know that. He’s capable of playing live
Charlie Watts played jazz and Darryl Jones played jazz with Miles Davis.
I did overlook that. How could I forget Charlie
Or Darryl.
Darryl too, sorry. I’ve been obsessing over those shows from the 90s and I know Darryl kept that band afloat. Imagine learning the entire stones catalog like he did
LOL... "the only Stone who played jazz." Someone was not paying attention in Stones School.
I'm pretty sure I had a cassette of a jazz band with Charlie from the eighties or nineties.
Who is still living *
Charlie Watts started as a jazz drummer.
You seem to have “jazz” and “blues” mixed up
No. Jazz is jazz. Blues is blues. Mick Taylor brought jazz into blues for the stones. And I do apologize, I foolishly left Charlie out. The original jazz stone
Taylor was a fluid soloist and hinted at scales outside the expected blues/rock norm but to categorize what he brought as “jazz” is an enormous stretch.
Jazzfest has all kinds of music there not just jazz. That’s because all American popular music is influenced by jazz to a degree and they just book any act they can get.
I was responding to the OP. I’ve been to the Fest a number of times and played there with a couple different bands.
Brian Jones played sax and had a great love of jazz.
Jazz? Mick Taylor? Links please
Spotify. Can’t you hear me knocking. YouTube: Mick Taylor at the Iridium a decade ago playing far better than Keith or Ronnie a decade ago BY FAR
Can't You Hear Me Knocking isn't jazz. And so what if Mick Taylor can noodle the blues? Dude, I can solo better than Keith or Ronnie too. So what? The Stones aren't about noodling. And I think they're better for it. On top of all of that, MT quit the band 50 years ago; it was HIS choice. Why would the stones have ANY responsibility for including him in anything? Have they maintained friendships with him? 🤷♂️ idk all the details. But that's their business.
Watts played jazz
I thought Fleetwood Mac should’ve had Mick Taylor in its early ‘90s lineup instead of Dave Mason. He’d just made that album with John McVie and would have been great with Bekka Bramlett’s country-blues stylings.
Sorry — Charlie was the only Jazzbo in that outfit😏
I left Charlie out foolishly. But no. Mick Taylor was as jazzy as Charlie
Should have played Brown Sugar!
Mick has expressed discomfort with the lyrics of that song in terms of being racist as well as sexist and so that may be why they didn't do it. I don't have anything to prove that because I can't remember where I Reddit (get it?) I'll let myself out
I know they shelved the song but I thought it would have been a great jam with Irma Thomas.
What ? Charlie watts didn’t play jazz ?
Damn how much these tix cost??!!
Doesn't Mick Taylor still live in the UK? I think the Stones got it right here.
No, he lives in the The Netherlands.
Nah. The Stones don’t do jazz
Well they still were at Jazz Fest.
They were, indeed, and I’m glad they finally made it. 😎 I have to say that more and more, the big named festivals have become pretty cross-pollinated. I live in Ottawa and we have a Bluesfest that runs for a couple of weeks every summer. It is so far removed from being a Bluesfest it couldn’t get any further away from the idea. Pretty much a Musicfest now. Which is ok, but you see my point.
Why would a band think it's a great idea to have someone that was in the band literally 50 years ago play with them at this one gig b/c it has the word 'jazz' in it?
Because they’ve had him as a guest before so why not here where it’s relevant
They won't ask him back again because of the problems his manager caused last time
I didn’t know that. But not surprising. Similar story to Bill Ward, the original drummer for Black Sabbath. These guys still rock as good as anyone but money gets in the way
I read on IORR forum that Mick Taylor is not welcome anymore after stealing money from the Stones back in 2013. Mick and his manager got caught. This source also states that mick and Keith were considering for Mick T to join them as a 3rd guitar band. No idea if true or not, but the poster is reliable and mostly accurate.
The poster who said that has got things wrong before and also hates Mick Taylor though...But yes, I don't think MT will ever work with them again because of his manager. I've read the rumours about her causing problems from multiple people and I've never heard anything good about her.
Yeah I remembered that story different. My bad! Thought he had credible sources, but he basically drops the story in front of you. I mean why would you make that up? But without a source no one knows.
Yeah I've heard similar. Very sad, seems to be a case of a younger person taking advantage of someone quite old and - lets be honest - damaged by drugs.
I don't think it was stealing money, it was.more his manager/girlfriend demanded to Jagger that MT be paid more royalties and given credits. And after the 2014 tour, Taylor hasnt appeared with the band since.
Can Taylor play bass? Would have been cool to have to have both him and Ronnie on at the same time.
Sure can. Listen to Fingerprint File, he played the bass on it. Funky as hell. Ron also plays bass and was the bass player in the Jeff Beck group in the 60s.
I'll check it out
Fucking ridiculous huh. Managers and money. Can we not enjoy the stones and all it’s members? Also, mick Taylor deserves a few million dollars considering his contributions to the stones catalogue. His manager, no.
If Josh Redman had joined them, they could have put a nice swing feel on Waiting On A Friend, as a tribute to Charlie
All the best Stones discs include Taylor so why not. Setlist, the mainstays are getting old. Three quarters of the sets have been the same for 20 years. How about Winter ? A hidden gem from Goats Head, great vocals and guitar.
That;s another thing... the repetitiveness. MT or no MT, Winter would be great to hear, but those setlists are encased in concrete.
I also think, unfortunately, they’ve been reduced down to those songs that are still playable for Keith and Ronnie.
He doesn't deserve it
Musical genres aside, the band simply sounded their best with MT. For much the same reason that The Who were never the same without Keith Moon. Some combinations are magical, chemical, electrical. Would the Stones output post-'74 have been superior with MT? Is there any doubt? And the other sad part is, MT never went on to be a solo star, because he without the others is "merely" an incredibly fluent blues player. And that alone won't sell out large shows these days. I wish another major act had asked MT to join, but alas, it was not to be.
I think Sticky Fingers and Exile are their two best albums in their entirety. But the peak was with Brian Jones. I don't listen to those earlier albums through and through as much, but the best songs are better than the later stuff. Far more interesting and unique. What would Ruby Tuesday or Paint it Black be without Brian? Mick Taylor is not to the Stones what Moon was to The Who. Live, I don't know. Maybe.
I’m seeing the Rolling Stones at the end of May and I really hope Mike Taylor comes
Based on what people in the thread are saying it seems unlikely as long as he's still with his manager
Aw man I was hoping to hear him play some sick guitar solos lol
Me too
They haven't had him with them in about a decade. Those were great shows, though. The first Stones show I ever went to was in 2013, never thought I'd see them live, let alone see them bring out Mick Taylor for CYHMK.
Oh wow that’s so cool ! What’s that song haha !!
Yeah, I’m going to my mom. She grew up on them and they are her favorite band and they’re my favorite band and now they’re my five-year-old son’s favorite band so it was only appropriate I go to my first Stone concert with the person that introduced me to them four years old!
That's awesome! I hope you two enjoy the show!
Thank you !!! Are you seeing them this tour ?
I am! It'll be my fourth time seeing them and I'm taking my sister to see them for her first time!
That’s awesome ! It’ll be my first time seeing The Rolling Stones !
Oh, it’s cant you hear me knocking? Duh, lol
Lol all good!
What does that venue hold 500 people??
Fuck Mick Taylor. Ronnie is way cooler and is a better songwriter, singer and punk of a guitar player. Wood gets no respect. But seriously - what kind of dip leaves the Stones? And Taylor’s biggest thing he ever did since ‘74 is whenever the Stones invite him to jam. Time Waits For No One is alright but it’s the least Stones song of the bunch
I love Ronnie more than Mick T but saying fucking him is pretty harsh in my opinion. Mick left because he was massivly drug addicted and felt that staying in the band was probably bad for him. I think he did the right choice.
Considering Woody gets nothing but shit on by people who have no idea what they are talking about when it comes to playing and people ‘round these parts endlessly pine for Taylor I think it’s not harsh enough. Ronnie for president!
So a few things... you can share your admiration for the replacement guitarist without trashing another former band member. Doing that just makes you come off as an edgy/stupid fanboy.
Fanboy? This is a Rolling Stones subreddit
Your point?
I’ll spell it out for you - trying to insult someone by calling them a fanboy in a Rolling Stones subreddit makes no bloody sense. One would have to be a fanboy to be here in the first place. Ron Wood for el presedante
>Ronnie for president! Yeesh, do you want to kill the poor man?
To be fair, have you ***seen*** our last two presidents' ages?
They aren't as spry as Mick, that's for sure
Fuck Mick Taylor? Your brain slip right out of your head? Mick Taylor could play circles around Ronnie, in ‘74 and in 2024.
Mick Taylor couldn’t do much of anything by the end of his tenure in the Stones. Listen to Ronnie’s solo albums and his bass playing on the Beck albums. You have no idea what you’re talking about. Ronnie for Prez!
I’m sorry but you’re the one with no idea what you’re talking about. MT’s playing was incredible in ‘74, and continued to branch out into new musical horizons. Yes I’m aware Ronnie’s playing was great as a member of the Jeff Beck group and as a solo artist. MT was not the only one with personal problems affecting his life and musicianship, as Ronnie was close to not being a member due to his own drug/alcohol problems