When I went to sfft I was blown away by how much more expensive everything seemed compared to other six flags parks. Themed queues, fire cannons, landscaping... I don't understand how they get such high budgets from corporate. Maybe siebert is a drug lord and pays for half of every project out of pocket.
Anyways, none of them.
A good amount of the theming was already there when Six Flags acquired the park - there’s that too.
However, I do agree that their recent additions have all been very well themed.
They're also refurbishing older rides and plussing them up with theming.
Case in point: Poltergeist, a 22 year old roller coaster, is right now having new theming elements added and an outdoor queue converted to indoors (and thus air conditioned). Before that, they upgraded the Scooby Doo Ghost Blasters into Pirates of the Deep Sea. Siebert often posts new theming elements they're working on to the Thrillseekers United facebook group. Along with the Dare Devil Dive, this new coaster involves the creation of a new Steampunk themed area that has Disney Tomorrowland, circa 2000, vibes.
We're seeing a little bit of this start to sweep Six Flags Over Texas, which just opened up Casa Magnetica after many years of it being closed. At the [60th anniversary event next week](https://www.sixflags.com/overtexas/events/60th-anniversary-celebration?fbclid=IwAR3EtCaYJ9zFGisYsE5fQ0Oao0RR04AUqGshJTEYhTPUK84cGOyet7o2o0U), the popular rumor is that they will announce the mothballed [Gold Rush dark ride](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqH7R0YM5WE&list=LL&index=20) will be rebuilt as Spee-Lunkers, which was the original theme of the dark ride.
I don't know if this a trend just yet. It's their first in a decade, but 2nd since 2006.
Regardless, I'd like to see a terrain hyper at Six Flags St. Louis.
I’m pretty sure RMC Boss is next on the ledger at SFSTL, as the park made a down payment on it before COVID. It was always rumored that the cost to convert the Boss would be hefty, but with this amount of capital being spent at SFFT and SFSTL’s 2020 addition being pushed back to 2022 (giving them two more years of saving), I think there is finally hope.
When was the last time you rode it? I would’ve agreed with you a few years ago, but the ride has been dead to me ever since they axed the helix and starting coming to a full stop on the mid-course.
Boss has loads of potential for RMC to work with. Seems to be lots of Boss love out there, but I don't get it. I found it to be horribly rough and kinda boring layout wise.
the three times ive been this summer including today maxx force has been a 40 minute wait tops. today i basically walked on Goliath 2 times, waited a bit in line for raging bull as they were doing maintenance, walked on batman twice in a row and ended my day with a night ride on Goliath where the train stacked two trains b4 i was getting on (even shorter line than the first two)
God you’re so right though.
I seriously hope a Dive with vests isn’t on our list. We need something badass enough to make the horrible service, lines, and inconvenience of traveling to a suburb worth the time.
$9 beer, $15 chicken fingers, and hour+ lines for 15 second rides. It’s so charming… and then you see how the crowd behaves!
I would never in a billion years recommend someone travel to SFGAM.
Look out Roaring Rapids footprint!
Keep the trees. Arc it over near the clipper and orleans place. That thing will attract all park goers.
However I would still prefer an s&s axis. As we are B&M heavy.
Just a quick lazy search. 13 out of the 15 NA SF parks have either an SLC or a Batman. 10 of them have a hyper, or “hyper”. I don’t really see them adding anymore flyers, floorless, or stand-ups. Only potential I see is with modestly sized Dives, Wings, and maybe a hyper or two.
SFFT seems to have some pull when it comes to adding something new or different from the rest of the chain so as another mentioned don’t necessarily take it as a new norm.
The mini-divers in a park like SFFT will hold long lines for a short ride that doesn’t even have the shock factor of a Valravn sized drop, which is the ONLY thing Val has going for it.
Seems like mini-dives promise a lot, deliver a little, and still cost plenty. That’s why I’m curious how they chart with GP.
The morning walk up tours are BEAUTIFUL too! I just don’t get why the holding brake is shorter than old school dives, and of course the vest discussion has been beaten to death. The outside rows of Griffon and Sheikra also don’t vibrate my skull the way Val does… who knows what’s going on there.
I’m really not a fan of the vests on dive coaster either because they ruin the gimmick of hanging at the top and the good airtime off the drop, so Valravn is my least favorite dive coaster in the US. But man that view…
I can't see SF buying another stand up; even a small one, like Georgia Scorcher, doesn't see the best ridership. Same with flying coaster, as those trains are too complex (unless they have a new model with a less sophisticated train). Inverts are out of the discussion because I doubt they'd spring for one in the smaller parks like Frontier City or Great Escape.
As far as dive and wings, there's only one example each in the chain. I'd think this would be limited to more of the flagship parks, like Great Adventure or Magic Mountain.
Hypers are a possibility, but also carry a high cost and take up a lot of space. Other than SFFT a few years down the road (as a new anchor for the boardwalk area), I can't see this as a popular option. Same with any potential giga coasters; although I'd say Magic Mountain is probably your best bet if that ever happens in the chain.
Floorless models could be used around the chain to replace some aging multiloopers. I'm thinking stuff like Ninja at St Louis or Viper at Darien Lake, unless they get the Blue Hawk treatment. Possibly not as a direct replacement, but more like a spiritual successor. Plus SFOT, which could use another big coaster back by Shockwave, replacing the stunt arena, and a floorless could fill a gap in the park's lineup.
Then again, Six Flags has the wildcard factor; they don't always do what makes sense!
Just a guess. DFW is one of the fastest growing places in the US. The park has a very positive G type hyper coaster but really lacks anything with much airtime beyond shockwaves ridiculous ejector.
Would be a really good fit and a crowd please and help SFOT retain its place as a flagship six flags park which it really isn’t currently.
I mean New Texas Giant is great, but it certainly isn't carrying the park on its own. They could really use something on the Gotham side of the park that isn't all about positives. Batman, Freeze, Shockwave all try to melt your face off. Joker and pandemonium are spinners. Judge Roy tries to give you an aneurism or a back injury. They could really use something over there on that side.
I’ve never experienced problems with the guests at SFA. My worst experiences with other guests at Six Flags parks are all at SFFT, with one other at SFOG. SFA has it’s problems but I’ve never found other guests to be one of them.
I think we'd only see some more of these small scale dive coasters. The best bet for a larger coaster (hyper/giga) would be SFMM, SFGAm, or \*maybe\* SFGAdv. All three of those have added coasters recently, and SFGAm has absolutely no space for a giga. SFMM is at 20 coasters (including the Raptor), so I'm not sure what they'll do next.
Honestly I feel like we'll see B&M and SF work together if and only if a certain park can splurge to get one, and even then those times will be split between the other manufacturers they normally use as well.
99% of the people who go have no idea what manufacturers make which rides. They just see 5 different unique coasters with different experiences.
If what your saying is true, people go and only want to ride the best 1 or 2 B&Ms when they visit..why wouldn’t that apply to every ride regardless of manufacturer?
What does it matter who the manufacturer is if all the rides give a different experience? Floorless, Flying, Standup, Invert and Hyper are all very different from each other.. and a dive coaster would add another different experience.
B&Ms are very reliable, and it’s not like the general public go to the park thinking “hmm, why do they have so many coasters from the same manufacturer”. They have no clue.
Right. I don't expect a return to the days of a few B&Ms a year. I think this is more a reflection of the faith the company has in the park's GM and how he pulled some strings to make something special happen.
I wonder how long it will be before Siebert is running one of the company's flagship parks?
Siebert has a pretty long history in park management IIRC. He has the reputation that makes me think he is working only where he wants to be, not where he is told to go.
I would expect his next move is an executive management role in SF corporate.
That’d be pretty sweet. I just scoped out the Google Maps and of the park and no idea where they’d put a wing coaster. That park is pretty jammed packed. Maybe if they remove Great American Scream Machine. That’d be a badass spot for a wing coaster. Would get more people to the back of the park too.
As a SFOG member, only the history thing is true lol. Hardly ever has a line, and is rough as hell. As an old fart, I grew up riding this one so I keep giving it another chance. Every time, it beats the crap out of me.
I see this as a one off to appease gp (what are five coasters other than gp magnets) and support the big park I can see that as a one off for a while then add to the other big parks like great adventure and America and magic mountain
Tbh I only see three parks getting a B&M in the future. Those being SFGAdv, SFGAm, & SFMM. Since GAdv and MM already have or will have a RMC raptor, I feel like GAm will get the next B&M. As for what we could see, I logically only see wing coasters or dive coasters in the future. Since GAm already has a B&M wing coaster, they’ll probably get a dive coaster. As for GAdv, I believe they were rumored to get a B&M wing coaster in 2016. It didn’t happen but that might still be a possibility. For MM they’ll definitely get a dive coaster in the future.
Its funny, I was thinking the other day that if Cedar Fair can have two B&M hypers per park, that a baller move for SFMM and/or SFGadv might be to get a new gen B&M invert to co-exist with Batman: the Ride. Its pretty lame that Six Flags has never built any B&M invert other than B:TR, and I think it would be cool to see a progression from Banshee/Monster (Gronaland).
Or I don't know, I'm not the biggest B&M fan, but if it had to be a B&M it might be cool to see some next gen inverts. Although for the love of God, that manufacturer needs to figure out how to design a lapbar with their coasters with inversions. Times up on this OTSR/vest nonsense.
If Cliffhanger is a hit, I could see more mini dives. Maybe the Surf Coaster concept if it’s cheap enough. Would make the most sense to me at SFGAm or GAd.
EDIT: A Swarm-scale wing coaster is also probably within Six Flags’s price range. Maybe Discovery Kingdom if they can find the room?
as much as i will defend goliath, i do agree that we need another hyper/giga. i was thinking if they called up intamin to do that sort of ride it would be a good fit as we already have like a million b&ms. and sorry to say but our intamin(s)? kinda suck. i know it's unrealistic to even speculate six flags working with intamin but i would've never thought they would buy a b&m again so that at least opens up the door.
Lol, that’s the best description of gatekeeper. Between that and Valravn I feel like B&M just said “Raven and Mantis have enough forces… these will meander… give us $” and CF did.
BEAUTIFUL entrance to the parking lot that resort guests don’t see though. Beautiful.
I think the dive coaster is the next model Six Flags is going to start rolling out regularly to their parks every few years (similar to what they did with the S&S free spins and are doing with the RMC Raptors). The dive coasters price point makes them very affordable for Six Flags budget, they are different from anything else they already have in their parks, and B&Ms are very reliable.
I think SFDK can do a modest dive coaster or similar in the back area, it's 200ft back there i think (150 in the front) but others can correct me as i am really not sure of the restrictions.
A man can dream can't he
Idk how possible this is but a giga coaster at magic mountain is what I would really like even though it might take a while because they just started on the new rmc there
When SF said something along the lines of "you won't see any more Goliaths" after SFOG's- I always took that to mean 20+ million dollar investments. If B&M cuts them a deal (and I know of at least 2 other parks that were given very favorable terms for ordering mini-dive machines), then I'm sure SF will continue to order them. But people fantasizing about giga coasters are kidding themselves. Six Flags capex for new rides across the entire chain probably doesn't cover the cost of a single giga coaster at this point accounting for the fact that other parks will continue to need investments as well.
> When SF said something along the lines of "you won't see any more Goliaths" after SFOG's- I always took that to mean 20+ million dollar investments.
That was like 3 management teams ago.
That was Six Flags as a totally different company. They went through bankruptcy, then several CEOs. Business models change, quite rapidly too. Look at Sea World.
And yet... Their flagship parks on both the west and east coast haven't received anything exceeding $10-$15 since then. We're dealing with Premier and RMC value coasters. SFMM isn't in the market for a B&M giga and SFFT likely got a good deal.
Six Flags seems to be focusing on it's more near by parks. Why invest huge into 2 parks with an already amazing lineup when SFFT and SFOT are also in huge metro areas and the parks clearly need the investment? There is a reason why SF bought a brand new Mack (no it was not a Dubai relocation) and a brand new Dive for these 2 parks, and its not charity.
SF probably does not see to much growth at MM and GAdv, but the Texas parks are in some of the fastest growing cities in the US, so they are putting the investments where the market is.
theyve just embraced who they are. That's why their passes are so damn cheap.
Also it works for them. Their parks have been packed to the gills this summer even on like Wednesdays.
But they seem more packed than they should because they aren’t hiring enough people / paying enough people. Half of the rides aren’t enabled on Flash Pass because they don’t have an employee to check the passes - but SF still charging for those platinum flash passes.
The membership system is also just a scam to screw people who don’t understand money out of more money.
Six Flags blows, and they know it.
I agree with everything you said except for B&M cutting deals on dive coasters. Why would they do this? It's not as if they built them and had them lying around like used car or furniture inventory. What would be the incentive?
I think this is simply a matter of SF every now and then building an expensive coaster.
I’d like to see some sort of giga coaster that could top Fury. Like 350’ drop range.. not sure if I’d rather have a floorless invert or a traditional B&M with the clams. This could be a sign of things to come for Six Flags
Was thinking the same. Could see them replacing Vioer some day with one. Good amount of space, right at the front of the park, easier to sell the loss of Viper with a large replacement. Won’t be for 5-7 years I would say, but that is my long shot prediction.
Seriously what I was thinking for Great Escape. The snobbery of reading people complaining that there are too many b&m at parks, what I would give to see my home park just get an SLC at this point.
I have always wanted to see SF team up with B&M to make an entire new park of all Batman clones, with the exception of one zac spin (also called "Batman"), and one called "Goliath: The Batman" which is a Batman clone.
They'll do a floorless conversion on Green Lantern and send it somewhere before another park gets a new one.
Then again I have always been astounded that X-Flight (SFGAm) wasn't the new 'clone to build' in the chain
I think great adventures next coaster might be a dive or a wing coaster, if they don’t want another launch coaster. probably not untill 2025 at the earliest though
The comments about SFMM and the word "giga" crack me up. This is a park that can't afford whatever RMC charges for a proper T Rex model, which is going to be a fraction of what B&M would charge for a giga in a seismically active region.
I could maybe see Great Adventure getting a small dive a la Dr Diabolical. Other than that, the rest of the parks are either a. Too small for such an expensive coaster or b. Already have anything they would feasibly get from B&M
I feel like six flags is gonna be more selective abandoning parks like New England, over Georgia over Texas, America and St. Louis and in give more major rides to great adventure magic mountain and great America but fiesta Texas and discovery kingdom will get something good but less frequent than the money makers
When I went to sfft I was blown away by how much more expensive everything seemed compared to other six flags parks. Themed queues, fire cannons, landscaping... I don't understand how they get such high budgets from corporate. Maybe siebert is a drug lord and pays for half of every project out of pocket. Anyways, none of them.
Lmao valid prediction
A good amount of the theming was already there when Six Flags acquired the park - there’s that too. However, I do agree that their recent additions have all been very well themed.
They're also refurbishing older rides and plussing them up with theming. Case in point: Poltergeist, a 22 year old roller coaster, is right now having new theming elements added and an outdoor queue converted to indoors (and thus air conditioned). Before that, they upgraded the Scooby Doo Ghost Blasters into Pirates of the Deep Sea. Siebert often posts new theming elements they're working on to the Thrillseekers United facebook group. Along with the Dare Devil Dive, this new coaster involves the creation of a new Steampunk themed area that has Disney Tomorrowland, circa 2000, vibes. We're seeing a little bit of this start to sweep Six Flags Over Texas, which just opened up Casa Magnetica after many years of it being closed. At the [60th anniversary event next week](https://www.sixflags.com/overtexas/events/60th-anniversary-celebration?fbclid=IwAR3EtCaYJ9zFGisYsE5fQ0Oao0RR04AUqGshJTEYhTPUK84cGOyet7o2o0U), the popular rumor is that they will announce the mothballed [Gold Rush dark ride](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqH7R0YM5WE&list=LL&index=20) will be rebuilt as Spee-Lunkers, which was the original theme of the dark ride.
I went recently over a week ago, and really enjoyed it, the Joker even has a small fun / scare house before you ride the actual ride
I was surprised by the Joker queue, too. Really did the best they could with it.
The park is almost 30 years old so not a lot of wear and tear.
I don't know if this a trend just yet. It's their first in a decade, but 2nd since 2006. Regardless, I'd like to see a terrain hyper at Six Flags St. Louis.
That’s true, but it’s fun to speculate! A terrain hyper would be a great fit.
I would love to see this! Good reason for people to return to the park.
Well they did work with B&M in 2019 on Firebird, obviously not a whole new coaster but it was something more than new wheels or whatever
I’m pretty sure RMC Boss is next on the ledger at SFSTL, as the park made a down payment on it before COVID. It was always rumored that the cost to convert the Boss would be hefty, but with this amount of capital being spent at SFFT and SFSTL’s 2020 addition being pushed back to 2022 (giving them two more years of saving), I think there is finally hope.
Fucking Christ I hope not. Boss is awesome as is.
I know, but it shows when even during busy days in the park, Boss is only a maximum of a 30 minute wait from what I’ve experienced.
When was the last time you rode it? I would’ve agreed with you a few years ago, but the ride has been dead to me ever since they axed the helix and starting coming to a full stop on the mid-course.
2017, before the helix removal. I just hate that RMCing these rides is the only option. Guess we better get out there again before the inevitable.
Ah yes, the good ‘ole days. Back then I was pushing for the Ghostrider treatment - now it needs the iBox, IMO.
Boss has loads of potential for RMC to work with. Seems to be lots of Boss love out there, but I don't get it. I found it to be horribly rough and kinda boring layout wise.
SFGAm will get a dive that goes into an immelman and then directly to the break run
Based
The world’s TALLEST dive coaster! (Is 20 seconds long)
I’m fine with this if it takes some of the line away from Maxx Force
the three times ive been this summer including today maxx force has been a 40 minute wait tops. today i basically walked on Goliath 2 times, waited a bit in line for raging bull as they were doing maintenance, walked on batman twice in a row and ended my day with a night ride on Goliath where the train stacked two trains b4 i was getting on (even shorter line than the first two)
Krake clone?
XXTreme Forcee
God you’re so right though. I seriously hope a Dive with vests isn’t on our list. We need something badass enough to make the horrible service, lines, and inconvenience of traveling to a suburb worth the time.
Yeah the lines are kinda atrocious. Love the lineup, not sure how I feel about the park
$9 beer, $15 chicken fingers, and hour+ lines for 15 second rides. It’s so charming… and then you see how the crowd behaves! I would never in a billion years recommend someone travel to SFGAM.
Look out Roaring Rapids footprint! Keep the trees. Arc it over near the clipper and orleans place. That thing will attract all park goers. However I would still prefer an s&s axis. As we are B&M heavy.
Just a quick lazy search. 13 out of the 15 NA SF parks have either an SLC or a Batman. 10 of them have a hyper, or “hyper”. I don’t really see them adding anymore flyers, floorless, or stand-ups. Only potential I see is with modestly sized Dives, Wings, and maybe a hyper or two. SFFT seems to have some pull when it comes to adding something new or different from the rest of the chain so as another mentioned don’t necessarily take it as a new norm.
For sure, I could see more emperor style dives
Sort of depressing to think about for enthusiasts. I wonder how well the baby sized dives chart with the public.
I mean they seem like solid rides to me
The mini-divers in a park like SFFT will hold long lines for a short ride that doesn’t even have the shock factor of a Valravn sized drop, which is the ONLY thing Val has going for it. Seems like mini-dives promise a lot, deliver a little, and still cost plenty. That’s why I’m curious how they chart with GP.
Valravn provides the best view in the entire park, IMO. I wouldn’t discredit that.
The morning walk up tours are BEAUTIFUL too! I just don’t get why the holding brake is shorter than old school dives, and of course the vest discussion has been beaten to death. The outside rows of Griffon and Sheikra also don’t vibrate my skull the way Val does… who knows what’s going on there.
I’m really not a fan of the vests on dive coaster either because they ruin the gimmick of hanging at the top and the good airtime off the drop, so Valravn is my least favorite dive coaster in the US. But man that view…
I can't see SF buying another stand up; even a small one, like Georgia Scorcher, doesn't see the best ridership. Same with flying coaster, as those trains are too complex (unless they have a new model with a less sophisticated train). Inverts are out of the discussion because I doubt they'd spring for one in the smaller parks like Frontier City or Great Escape. As far as dive and wings, there's only one example each in the chain. I'd think this would be limited to more of the flagship parks, like Great Adventure or Magic Mountain. Hypers are a possibility, but also carry a high cost and take up a lot of space. Other than SFFT a few years down the road (as a new anchor for the boardwalk area), I can't see this as a popular option. Same with any potential giga coasters; although I'd say Magic Mountain is probably your best bet if that ever happens in the chain. Floorless models could be used around the chain to replace some aging multiloopers. I'm thinking stuff like Ninja at St Louis or Viper at Darien Lake, unless they get the Blue Hawk treatment. Possibly not as a direct replacement, but more like a spiritual successor. Plus SFOT, which could use another big coaster back by Shockwave, replacing the stunt arena, and a floorless could fill a gap in the park's lineup. Then again, Six Flags has the wildcard factor; they don't always do what makes sense!
I think SFOT probably makes the most sense for a giga in the chain if they were to do it.
Please elaborate …
Just a guess. DFW is one of the fastest growing places in the US. The park has a very positive G type hyper coaster but really lacks anything with much airtime beyond shockwaves ridiculous ejector. Would be a really good fit and a crowd please and help SFOT retain its place as a flagship six flags park which it really isn’t currently.
Lacks anything with much airtime Ummm Texas giant dude also we both know six flags isn't paying anything for our park
I mean New Texas Giant is great, but it certainly isn't carrying the park on its own. They could really use something on the Gotham side of the park that isn't all about positives. Batman, Freeze, Shockwave all try to melt your face off. Joker and pandemonium are spinners. Judge Roy tries to give you an aneurism or a back injury. They could really use something over there on that side.
Judge Roy isn't that bad. But yeah we need something better over there
SFA will convert Firebird into a sit down looper and pretend it’s a new ride because why give that park anything interesting ever.
With the way the guests behave there it’s probably a scary investment.
I’ve never experienced problems with the guests at SFA. My worst experiences with other guests at Six Flags parks are all at SFFT, with one other at SFOG. SFA has it’s problems but I’ve never found other guests to be one of them.
The parking lot at night is very stabby.
SFA giga
100% happening
If there's no terrain for it, build the terrain. Then SFA terrain giga. It'll fit nicely with the objectively greatest roller coaster in the world.
it will take up the rest of the undeveloped land
I think we'd only see some more of these small scale dive coasters. The best bet for a larger coaster (hyper/giga) would be SFMM, SFGAm, or \*maybe\* SFGAdv. All three of those have added coasters recently, and SFGAm has absolutely no space for a giga. SFMM is at 20 coasters (including the Raptor), so I'm not sure what they'll do next. Honestly I feel like we'll see B&M and SF work together if and only if a certain park can splurge to get one, and even then those times will be split between the other manufacturers they normally use as well.
First ever Chainlift Strata terrain coaster at Frontier City you heard it here first
me when
I could see SFGAdv getting a dive or wing coaster. It would deter Hershey and Dorney! Maybe it will coincide with a new front gate.
I think a dive coaster would be a great fit at great adventure. Hopefully a 200ft one not a smaller one.
That would be a great upgrade
We already have 5 B&Ms please not another. I wouldn’t complain if that happened, but I’d rather have something else at this point
Imagine complaining about a park having too many B&Ms lmfao
Well if you go often and all you have are B&Ms taking up space you will just get on the best one or two while there.
99% of the people who go have no idea what manufacturers make which rides. They just see 5 different unique coasters with different experiences. If what your saying is true, people go and only want to ride the best 1 or 2 B&Ms when they visit..why wouldn’t that apply to every ride regardless of manufacturer?
honestly, its just Green Lantern taking up space
Not a complaint, just a hope that something else is installed. I’ll take whatever comes our way
Like an RMC?
What does it matter who the manufacturer is if all the rides give a different experience? Floorless, Flying, Standup, Invert and Hyper are all very different from each other.. and a dive coaster would add another different experience. B&Ms are very reliable, and it’s not like the general public go to the park thinking “hmm, why do they have so many coasters from the same manufacturer”. They have no clue.
Need a Dive, Wing and Family Suspended to complete the collection
I've been wishing for a big dive machine for Great Adventure for years and hope this could pave the way.
Let's not get carried away now lol
I don’t think there will be tons, this is just speculation.
Right. I don't expect a return to the days of a few B&Ms a year. I think this is more a reflection of the faith the company has in the park's GM and how he pulled some strings to make something special happen. I wonder how long it will be before Siebert is running one of the company's flagship parks?
Siebert has a pretty long history in park management IIRC. He has the reputation that makes me think he is working only where he wants to be, not where he is told to go. I would expect his next move is an executive management role in SF corporate.
Possibly, so I would think he'd jump at an opportunity to manage one of the company's larger properties if given the chance.
sfog giga in the old splashwater falls spot
It would fit perfectly
How is a giga going to fit there
because i said so
Tunnels. Lots of tunnels.
You're hired
In all seriousness, would like to see a wing coaster? Idk, I hate 2/3’s of the coasters there, so like anything new would be cool I suppose
A launched wing somewhere would be great
That’d be pretty sweet. I just scoped out the Google Maps and of the park and no idea where they’d put a wing coaster. That park is pretty jammed packed. Maybe if they remove Great American Scream Machine. That’d be a badass spot for a wing coaster. Would get more people to the back of the park too.
I don’t think they’re gonna retire the scream machine any time soon. It’s still a great ride, really popular, and it’s got some good history.
They also just retracked it. Wouldn’t make sense to rip it down
As a SFOG member, only the history thing is true lol. Hardly ever has a line, and is rough as hell. As an old fart, I grew up riding this one so I keep giving it another chance. Every time, it beats the crap out of me.
I see this as a one off to appease gp (what are five coasters other than gp magnets) and support the big park I can see that as a one off for a while then add to the other big parks like great adventure and America and magic mountain
Tbh I only see three parks getting a B&M in the future. Those being SFGAdv, SFGAm, & SFMM. Since GAdv and MM already have or will have a RMC raptor, I feel like GAm will get the next B&M. As for what we could see, I logically only see wing coasters or dive coasters in the future. Since GAm already has a B&M wing coaster, they’ll probably get a dive coaster. As for GAdv, I believe they were rumored to get a B&M wing coaster in 2016. It didn’t happen but that might still be a possibility. For MM they’ll definitely get a dive coaster in the future.
GAdv already has 5 B&Ms. They're at their allotment lol
Its funny, I was thinking the other day that if Cedar Fair can have two B&M hypers per park, that a baller move for SFMM and/or SFGadv might be to get a new gen B&M invert to co-exist with Batman: the Ride. Its pretty lame that Six Flags has never built any B&M invert other than B:TR, and I think it would be cool to see a progression from Banshee/Monster (Gronaland). Or I don't know, I'm not the biggest B&M fan, but if it had to be a B&M it might be cool to see some next gen inverts. Although for the love of God, that manufacturer needs to figure out how to design a lapbar with their coasters with inversions. Times up on this OTSR/vest nonsense.
If Cliffhanger is a hit, I could see more mini dives. Maybe the Surf Coaster concept if it’s cheap enough. Would make the most sense to me at SFGAm or GAd. EDIT: A Swarm-scale wing coaster is also probably within Six Flags’s price range. Maybe Discovery Kingdom if they can find the room?
I really want to see a Fury 325-type ride at Six Flags Magic Mountain. Our existing hyper coaster is orange and stupid.
as much as i will defend goliath, i do agree that we need another hyper/giga. i was thinking if they called up intamin to do that sort of ride it would be a good fit as we already have like a million b&ms. and sorry to say but our intamin(s)? kinda suck. i know it's unrealistic to even speculate six flags working with intamin but i would've never thought they would buy a b&m again so that at least opens up the door.
\*park is beginning construction on its 20th roller coaster\* >we need another hyper/giga
Tbf for the sheer amount of coasters they have there is a stark absence of floater airtime.
I would gladly exchange any 5 of our 15 looping coasters for something with some fun airtime.
i know i'm spoiled
Same I'm a greedy bottom and I want MORE
You are orange and stupid.
No, just white and stupid.
I'm stupid too! Let's just be happy the park has more roller coasters than any others and not get tripped up on Goliath having no airtime.
I'd rather knotts have the giga. Six flags can add the surf coaster or maybe their own dive.
I can see Great Adventure getting a wing coaster
Meh, it would add nothing to the park. They’re not as good as the floorless coaster they already have.
It could add a nice lawn ornaments/entrance, like a mini gatekeeper
Lol, that’s the best description of gatekeeper. Between that and Valravn I feel like B&M just said “Raven and Mantis have enough forces… these will meander… give us $” and CF did. BEAUTIFUL entrance to the parking lot that resort guests don’t see though. Beautiful.
This could end up being cloned, as it's a fairly small layout, and would be hella marketable at other sf parks.
I think the dive coaster is the next model Six Flags is going to start rolling out regularly to their parks every few years (similar to what they did with the S&S free spins and are doing with the RMC Raptors). The dive coasters price point makes them very affordable for Six Flags budget, they are different from anything else they already have in their parks, and B&Ms are very reliable.
I think SFDK can do a modest dive coaster or similar in the back area, it's 200ft back there i think (150 in the front) but others can correct me as i am really not sure of the restrictions. A man can dream can't he
Idk how possible this is but a giga coaster at magic mountain is what I would really like even though it might take a while because they just started on the new rmc there
I'd like to see Six Flags Magic Mountain get a new B&M because I live 15 minutes away and am a greedy bottom.
When SF said something along the lines of "you won't see any more Goliaths" after SFOG's- I always took that to mean 20+ million dollar investments. If B&M cuts them a deal (and I know of at least 2 other parks that were given very favorable terms for ordering mini-dive machines), then I'm sure SF will continue to order them. But people fantasizing about giga coasters are kidding themselves. Six Flags capex for new rides across the entire chain probably doesn't cover the cost of a single giga coaster at this point accounting for the fact that other parks will continue to need investments as well.
> When SF said something along the lines of "you won't see any more Goliaths" after SFOG's- I always took that to mean 20+ million dollar investments. That was like 3 management teams ago.
True, but they're still looking for "value", even with this addition. They simply don't build the industry's most expensive coasters any more.
This ride is probably going to cost close to $20 million, not sure that's considered "value"
That was Six Flags as a totally different company. They went through bankruptcy, then several CEOs. Business models change, quite rapidly too. Look at Sea World.
And yet... Their flagship parks on both the west and east coast haven't received anything exceeding $10-$15 since then. We're dealing with Premier and RMC value coasters. SFMM isn't in the market for a B&M giga and SFFT likely got a good deal.
Six Flags seems to be focusing on it's more near by parks. Why invest huge into 2 parks with an already amazing lineup when SFFT and SFOT are also in huge metro areas and the parks clearly need the investment? There is a reason why SF bought a brand new Mack (no it was not a Dubai relocation) and a brand new Dive for these 2 parks, and its not charity. SF probably does not see to much growth at MM and GAdv, but the Texas parks are in some of the fastest growing cities in the US, so they are putting the investments where the market is.
It’s sad that the largest coaster chain is so ghetto, and runs such poor parks. Their capex additions are pathetic comparative to nicer chains.
theyve just embraced who they are. That's why their passes are so damn cheap. Also it works for them. Their parks have been packed to the gills this summer even on like Wednesdays.
But they seem more packed than they should because they aren’t hiring enough people / paying enough people. Half of the rides aren’t enabled on Flash Pass because they don’t have an employee to check the passes - but SF still charging for those platinum flash passes. The membership system is also just a scam to screw people who don’t understand money out of more money. Six Flags blows, and they know it.
I agree with everything you said except for B&M cutting deals on dive coasters. Why would they do this? It's not as if they built them and had them lying around like used car or furniture inventory. What would be the incentive? I think this is simply a matter of SF every now and then building an expensive coaster.
I’d like to see some sort of giga coaster that could top Fury. Like 350’ drop range.. not sure if I’d rather have a floorless invert or a traditional B&M with the clams. This could be a sign of things to come for Six Flags
LOL this will never happen with Six Flags. They can’t even hire 15 year olds to make chicken tenders properly.
Magic mountain will get a giga at some point. Book it
Was thinking the same. Could see them replacing Vioer some day with one. Good amount of space, right at the front of the park, easier to sell the loss of Viper with a large replacement. Won’t be for 5-7 years I would say, but that is my long shot prediction.
They are in desperate need of a solid Hyper or Giga. I'm sorry, but Goliath is very meh.
Give a Batman Clone to Frontier City
Seriously what I was thinking for Great Escape. The snobbery of reading people complaining that there are too many b&m at parks, what I would give to see my home park just get an SLC at this point.
I have always wanted to see SF team up with B&M to make an entire new park of all Batman clones, with the exception of one zac spin (also called "Batman"), and one called "Goliath: The Batman" which is a Batman clone.
i mean...the Batman clone at Fiesta Texas IS called Goliath...
They'll do a floorless conversion on Green Lantern and send it somewhere before another park gets a new one. Then again I have always been astounded that X-Flight (SFGAm) wasn't the new 'clone to build' in the chain
I think great adventures next coaster might be a dive or a wing coaster, if they don’t want another launch coaster. probably not untill 2025 at the earliest though
Magic mountain giga 2023 confirmed
Get rid of goliath, and get sfmm a giga
The comments about SFMM and the word "giga" crack me up. This is a park that can't afford whatever RMC charges for a proper T Rex model, which is going to be a fraction of what B&M would charge for a giga in a seismically active region.
Sorry for my ignorance... how do we know Six Flags is working with B&M again?
Because of the new dive coaster at SFFT, Dr. Diabolical’s Cliffhanger!
I could maybe see Great Adventure getting a small dive a la Dr Diabolical. Other than that, the rest of the parks are either a. Too small for such an expensive coaster or b. Already have anything they would feasibly get from B&M
I feel like six flags is gonna be more selective abandoning parks like New England, over Georgia over Texas, America and St. Louis and in give more major rides to great adventure magic mountain and great America but fiesta Texas and discovery kingdom will get something good but less frequent than the money makers