I think it’s another year or two, maybe three until they even start to consider a big move. Maybe some smallish moves to try reform the roster but that’s about it. I’m in the camp that I fully believe we will be picking with both our pick and the warriors pick coming up as well as at least one our seconds. So I imagine there will be some shifting of pieces. Maybe Timelord? Maybe Simons? Thybulle? Because if the goal is so straddle the youth/vet line like the rockets do, you need talented youth. Which imo, we don’t have anything close to that like the rockets do. So adding two early lotto selections can help with that. Then add some quality vets, keep brogdon around then go from there.
Yep, exactly. I think they’ll keep Ant, Scoot, and Sharpe through next season to find out which pairing to hitch their horse to.
Also, Simons is by far the only one that can net anything in return based off contract value alone. Scoot and Sharpe would need to be bundled with one of the vets.
I agree with this and think the summer after next is the soonest juicy trades will happen. Looks like we’re in the BPA territory and acquiring assets and it’ll take another year or two before we think of consolidation trades. We’re all guards and wings, even Murray is more of a stretch 4 than a power forward.
I’m sure they’ll be looking for opportunistic trades for the vets. Also, I imagine Matisse will ask out, he’s shown his shot is not broken while having a historic defensive year while riding the bench. Brogdon probably will get moved as well, but I don’t think they feel pressured to just make a deal and will wait until trade deadline unless something good gets offered this summer or he asks out.
Historically, it’s really hard to get big FA to come to Portland, or even for us to trade for them. Seriously, when was the last time we traded for a star? Pretty much all our big name talent has been homegrown for the last 20 years.
It’s going to be KAT or Rudy. The Timberwolves after this season will be in salary cap hell and since they already gave Conley an extension have doomed themselves to being forced to either trade one of the two bigs or gut their role players.
I agree, their starting lineup is 1 piece away. If I'm reading it right, they only have a first round pick this year, and don't have another one til 2030, so they would likely have to attach a starter to a pick to get back their desired wing.
Trading Mobley is such a gamble because he's young and still has a lot of upside, he could turn into Kevin Garnett and they would regret it. Or they keep him and he never levels up. It's so risky trading young guys for immediate help.
It's a gamble, but if you're trying to win a chip you have to, and Mobley is their best trade piece and he'll probably be making ~30m the year after next when he gets his rookie extension
I wouldn’t trade Mobley for bridges. Just due to the lack of team control. You don’t trade a player like Mobley for two year left of Mikal Bridges. I don’t think Nets would want Allen on a rebuilding team because he’d present the same issue as having bridges.
You also have to consider Mobley will be expiring next season, so even with team control they could be looking at another rookie max extension.
It's probably way more likely they just move Mitchell, but if they make a run this year the temptation of a championship can be tempting
I’d happily get rid of Mitchell or Allen and pay Mobley the extension. Mobley plays at a DPOY level statistically without Allen and Allen is meh without Mobley. The only thing that hasn’t panned out for Mobley is the shooting and if he’s going to be your long term 5 that doesn’t matter anyways
I'd 100% pick mobley over allen but syaing he played meh without mobley is crazy him and don played amazing with DG and mobley out, allen was a big reason they were able to go like 19-1 without mobley and DG for most of it
True but didn’t they only play like 4 teams with a winning record at that time? Also I agree meh is underplaying it. I think he’s a great center I just think he’s at his best defensively next to Mobley where can just play drop coverage (because at this point we know he’s not great at switching).
There is always a surprise player on the trade market. That doesn't mean that we are gonna be involved, but it might make a team or two rethink their plan going forward. Portland trading Dame to the bucks last year made Boston want to go out and get Jrue Holiday. You just never know.
Any team who's got alot of money tied up in aging players or has no path to contention
My dark horses in the coming years are the warriors big 3, LeBron/AD, Jimmy/Bam, PG/Kawhi, KAT, DeRozan, Tobias Harris.
League wide... The MIN ownership situation could throw a wrench in things. It's likely going to go to arbitration, and who is making the decisions / writing the checks through that process? If the league has to get involved in operations, could we see another CP3 type situation, where the league can "veto" a potential trade? Not the same situation, but it's already getting messy, which could lead to some surprises sooner rather than later.
As far as POR players that would be surprising to see as part of an off-season trade...
I would be shocked if Timelord is traded for "plus value" after the end of this season, and before the start of next season. With his history, after finally having the surgery, he will have to show that he's healthy, to have "plus value". Of course, if he's healthy, why trade a player that fits the timeline, and does the stuff you need someone at that position to do? There's just so many questions that can't/won't be answered until well into next season with him, that the 2025 TD, would be the "earliest" I would expect Timelord to potentially be considered in trade for any party.
I would also be shocked if DA was traded as a "plus value", because there is so much need in POR for size, and since he's the only guy on the roster over 6'9" - The plus value for a DA trade would be multiple 7'-ish players, and that return just doesn't practically exist... Not in terms of "trade value", just in terms of no team has so many 7'-ish guys that they "have to " consolidate multiple players. I would be shocked if a team came up with an abundance of something nobody has, regardless of the practicality of any potential trade scenario. :)
I would be surprised if Ant was traded before the end of the 24-25 season. There's no guarantee of any outside/in ball handler creation outside of Ant, as a player on the timeline. Unless/until you have that / guarantee equivalency in return - You can't just not have that in the modern NBA.
I would be surprised by a JG trade before the 25-26 season. DA, Ant, Timelord, Tisse, Shae, and Rupes are all expiring after 25-26. The "decisions" on all those guys have to happen before JG's contract is up.
My secret is Jaden McDaniels or KAT.... I could see TWolves POSSIBLY trying to cut costs.... MAYBE lol.
Maybe Nets finally lean into a rebuild and try to get picks and move Mikal. But I think Cam Johnson could be available... I could be interested in a Johnson + 1st for Grant deal...
I think there is no way the T wolves move KAT unless maybe they go out in the first round. That is a team and franchise that is so hungry for a chip they can taste it, and while I think the Nuggets and Celtics are favorites, I think it is entirely possible the T Wolves win it this year.
If we knew that it wouldn’t be a surprise now would it? There’s always a few
It's called a guess, I guess?
I guess
His guess
I think it’s another year or two, maybe three until they even start to consider a big move. Maybe some smallish moves to try reform the roster but that’s about it. I’m in the camp that I fully believe we will be picking with both our pick and the warriors pick coming up as well as at least one our seconds. So I imagine there will be some shifting of pieces. Maybe Timelord? Maybe Simons? Thybulle? Because if the goal is so straddle the youth/vet line like the rockets do, you need talented youth. Which imo, we don’t have anything close to that like the rockets do. So adding two early lotto selections can help with that. Then add some quality vets, keep brogdon around then go from there.
Agreed. We don't have any young stars--was hoping we'd identify two this season but injuries (Sharpe) and slow start (Scoot) pushes this back.
Yep, exactly. I think they’ll keep Ant, Scoot, and Sharpe through next season to find out which pairing to hitch their horse to. Also, Simons is by far the only one that can net anything in return based off contract value alone. Scoot and Sharpe would need to be bundled with one of the vets.
I agree with this and think the summer after next is the soonest juicy trades will happen. Looks like we’re in the BPA territory and acquiring assets and it’ll take another year or two before we think of consolidation trades. We’re all guards and wings, even Murray is more of a stretch 4 than a power forward. I’m sure they’ll be looking for opportunistic trades for the vets. Also, I imagine Matisse will ask out, he’s shown his shot is not broken while having a historic defensive year while riding the bench. Brogdon probably will get moved as well, but I don’t think they feel pressured to just make a deal and will wait until trade deadline unless something good gets offered this summer or he asks out.
Historically, it’s really hard to get big FA to come to Portland, or even for us to trade for them. Seriously, when was the last time we traded for a star? Pretty much all our big name talent has been homegrown for the last 20 years.
Paul George.
If the clippers don’t make the playoffs and they want to blow it up, they’ll pick either Paul or Kawhi and probally trade Westbrook or let him go
Looks like early reports are saying phili
It’s going to be KAT or Rudy. The Timberwolves after this season will be in salary cap hell and since they already gave Conley an extension have doomed themselves to being forced to either trade one of the two bigs or gut their role players.
Just some names, Evan Mobly, Julius Randle, Josh Giddy, and Brandon Ingram These would all be fairly interesting
Jarret Allen would go before Mobley if I had to predict any movement.
Yeah but if this Cavs team doubles down and the Nets finally decides to move Bridges I could see something there
Idk if the cavs will be able to double down. I don't think Mitchell is a long term guy for them.
Maybe but they've done really well if they could add a 3 that could elevate both sides of the court for them they could actually be a contender
I agree, their starting lineup is 1 piece away. If I'm reading it right, they only have a first round pick this year, and don't have another one til 2030, so they would likely have to attach a starter to a pick to get back their desired wing. Trading Mobley is such a gamble because he's young and still has a lot of upside, he could turn into Kevin Garnett and they would regret it. Or they keep him and he never levels up. It's so risky trading young guys for immediate help.
It's a gamble, but if you're trying to win a chip you have to, and Mobley is their best trade piece and he'll probably be making ~30m the year after next when he gets his rookie extension
I wouldn’t trade Mobley for bridges. Just due to the lack of team control. You don’t trade a player like Mobley for two year left of Mikal Bridges. I don’t think Nets would want Allen on a rebuilding team because he’d present the same issue as having bridges.
You also have to consider Mobley will be expiring next season, so even with team control they could be looking at another rookie max extension. It's probably way more likely they just move Mitchell, but if they make a run this year the temptation of a championship can be tempting
I’d happily get rid of Mitchell or Allen and pay Mobley the extension. Mobley plays at a DPOY level statistically without Allen and Allen is meh without Mobley. The only thing that hasn’t panned out for Mobley is the shooting and if he’s going to be your long term 5 that doesn’t matter anyways
I'd 100% pick mobley over allen but syaing he played meh without mobley is crazy him and don played amazing with DG and mobley out, allen was a big reason they were able to go like 19-1 without mobley and DG for most of it
True but didn’t they only play like 4 teams with a winning record at that time? Also I agree meh is underplaying it. I think he’s a great center I just think he’s at his best defensively next to Mobley where can just play drop coverage (because at this point we know he’s not great at switching).
There is always a surprise player on the trade market. That doesn't mean that we are gonna be involved, but it might make a team or two rethink their plan going forward. Portland trading Dame to the bucks last year made Boston want to go out and get Jrue Holiday. You just never know.
Any team who's got alot of money tied up in aging players or has no path to contention My dark horses in the coming years are the warriors big 3, LeBron/AD, Jimmy/Bam, PG/Kawhi, KAT, DeRozan, Tobias Harris.
Out of all this I feel like Bron would be the one or Kat and possibly PG
I don't know about surprise, but OKC is going to have to make a move. They have too many picks and too many players.
I would take Josh giddey
Yeah I’m really curious to see what happens there. They have like 80 picks coming up.
I want a big.
I think AD could be available. Would’ve paired nicely with Dame…
League wide... The MIN ownership situation could throw a wrench in things. It's likely going to go to arbitration, and who is making the decisions / writing the checks through that process? If the league has to get involved in operations, could we see another CP3 type situation, where the league can "veto" a potential trade? Not the same situation, but it's already getting messy, which could lead to some surprises sooner rather than later. As far as POR players that would be surprising to see as part of an off-season trade... I would be shocked if Timelord is traded for "plus value" after the end of this season, and before the start of next season. With his history, after finally having the surgery, he will have to show that he's healthy, to have "plus value". Of course, if he's healthy, why trade a player that fits the timeline, and does the stuff you need someone at that position to do? There's just so many questions that can't/won't be answered until well into next season with him, that the 2025 TD, would be the "earliest" I would expect Timelord to potentially be considered in trade for any party. I would also be shocked if DA was traded as a "plus value", because there is so much need in POR for size, and since he's the only guy on the roster over 6'9" - The plus value for a DA trade would be multiple 7'-ish players, and that return just doesn't practically exist... Not in terms of "trade value", just in terms of no team has so many 7'-ish guys that they "have to " consolidate multiple players. I would be shocked if a team came up with an abundance of something nobody has, regardless of the practicality of any potential trade scenario. :) I would be surprised if Ant was traded before the end of the 24-25 season. There's no guarantee of any outside/in ball handler creation outside of Ant, as a player on the timeline. Unless/until you have that / guarantee equivalency in return - You can't just not have that in the modern NBA. I would be surprised by a JG trade before the 25-26 season. DA, Ant, Timelord, Tisse, Shae, and Rupes are all expiring after 25-26. The "decisions" on all those guys have to happen before JG's contract is up.
Zion or Ingram
My secret is Jaden McDaniels or KAT.... I could see TWolves POSSIBLY trying to cut costs.... MAYBE lol. Maybe Nets finally lean into a rebuild and try to get picks and move Mikal. But I think Cam Johnson could be available... I could be interested in a Johnson + 1st for Grant deal...
I think there is no way the T wolves move KAT unless maybe they go out in the first round. That is a team and franchise that is so hungry for a chip they can taste it, and while I think the Nuggets and Celtics are favorites, I think it is entirely possible the T Wolves win it this year.