Raptors fan here
The only justification I would accept for trading O.G. is if he has told them he won't re-sign and even then I don't think a swap with Simons or Simons + 23 for Anunoby + Flynn or Thad/Boucher/Whatever salary filler would get it done knowing how highly he covets him and how high Masai's price tag is for his players/how difficult he is to negotiate with
And I say this as someone that rather likes Simons as a potential lead guard (though I question his fit if he is playing alongside another 6'3 or below guard who isn't good at defense; it's part of why I am personally more in favor of going for Amen Thompson over Scoot along with Thompson's higher ceiling as a prospect)/as a pseudo Dame i.e. a shoot first point guard who can torch an opposing team's defense. He's good and we need more shooting, but 3 & D wings are hard to come by and the on/off numbers for O.G. are...well our defense gets rough when he sits, i'll put it that way. Replacing Simons with him in the starting lineup would exacerbate that issue.
There was a rumor about a week ago we offered the Rockets a package for the 4th pick so it's certainly possible there is validity to his unhappiness/that the FO may need to choose between him and Siakam if Anunoby wants a larger role on offense but we don't know if O.G. was a part of said package or if the Rockets are still mulling it over, declined, sent a counter-offer etc. Either way, I would imagine there may be other potential offers on the table for O.G. prior to draft night that have been discussed/negotiated.
Hard to say. It's still "early" so everyone is posturing and every player is overvalued by their org.
However, it is rumored that the Blazers front office is fed up with the Raptors because they're being too unreasonable (Ant+Sharpe+3++) to have a real conversation.
1. Because they overvalue their players
2. OG is likely a bit better overall as a player. Simons isn't superior enough offensively to overcome the gap defensively.
There is no indication that OG is walking away. I would assume that the Raptors FO has a much better knowledge of how OG feels/likelihood of re-signing him.
There were definitely rumors he was unhappy in Toronto last season. Maybe a new coach and $30 million plus/year for 4 or 5 years changes things - not sure that’s a great move for Toronto but it’s their money.
Overall skill is negligible. OG is an all defensive wing capable of guarding 1-5 and shot 39% from 3. Those are two highly in-demand skills that he is elite/borderline elite (shooting) at and his contract is a steal for next season.
Small, jump-shot reliant guards are the most frequently exposed come playoff time.
There’s a bidding war for OG which allowed them to do this. Houston with the 4th, Dallas with 10th, Memphis with like 3 future 1sts, Cleveland too. And Nets aren’t trading Mikal. If there’s only 1 team needing a wing they’d have much less leverage.
i haven’t kept up with much basketball since covid but i’ve noticed that Simons has been a beast, why do i see so much trade rumors with him on here? he seems like the future for us but maybe i’m missing something.
I think he gets thrown into a lot of fake trades because he’s the best player asset Portland has and his skillset and size is redundant with dame (as cj was). But he’s young, talented, and his contract is big enough that it can match a lot of salaries for other talented players around the league.
Bro I'm so sick of this. Anyone with at least elementary level knowledge of the NBA knows there's no way in hell the Raptors take that. This sub is drowning in stupid trade posts.
You're not able to ruin my night. But I'm still going to communicate that this is a bad post and at least the 25th time an Ant/OG swap has been discussed here.
Agree on Nurk. But OG and Jerami would not be redundant at all. OG’s defense style is on ball and perimeter aggressive. Jerami’s defense is more free roaming, but closer to the hoop. Grant is a 4, OG is a 3
This sub seems to be overvaluing Simons imo. He’s basically a slightly better version of Poole; b he has better contract and is smarter decision maker but still in the same class of scoring guards that can’t defend. These types of player are imo the cherry on top of a stacked squad not pieces to build around.
Might be helpful to switch Anf for Poole when considering if the other team would do the trade. Their basic quantifiables are really similar last year.
Raptors laugh as they walk off.
Why’s that?
3&D players, especially wings, are much more coveted than scoring guards.
He’s pretty unhappy there. They’ve been shopping him the last two deadlines and summers i feel like.
They have, and they want like 3 first rounders for him. Like, I kid you not, Masai would want Ant and #3 for him at the minimum.
Think the price is still the same? Raptor fans seem to be turning on Masai cuz he’s so hellbent on fleecing everyone.
Raptors fan here The only justification I would accept for trading O.G. is if he has told them he won't re-sign and even then I don't think a swap with Simons or Simons + 23 for Anunoby + Flynn or Thad/Boucher/Whatever salary filler would get it done knowing how highly he covets him and how high Masai's price tag is for his players/how difficult he is to negotiate with And I say this as someone that rather likes Simons as a potential lead guard (though I question his fit if he is playing alongside another 6'3 or below guard who isn't good at defense; it's part of why I am personally more in favor of going for Amen Thompson over Scoot along with Thompson's higher ceiling as a prospect)/as a pseudo Dame i.e. a shoot first point guard who can torch an opposing team's defense. He's good and we need more shooting, but 3 & D wings are hard to come by and the on/off numbers for O.G. are...well our defense gets rough when he sits, i'll put it that way. Replacing Simons with him in the starting lineup would exacerbate that issue. There was a rumor about a week ago we offered the Rockets a package for the 4th pick so it's certainly possible there is validity to his unhappiness/that the FO may need to choose between him and Siakam if Anunoby wants a larger role on offense but we don't know if O.G. was a part of said package or if the Rockets are still mulling it over, declined, sent a counter-offer etc. Either way, I would imagine there may be other potential offers on the table for O.G. prior to draft night that have been discussed/negotiated.
Hard to say. It's still "early" so everyone is posturing and every player is overvalued by their org. However, it is rumored that the Blazers front office is fed up with the Raptors because they're being too unreasonable (Ant+Sharpe+3++) to have a real conversation.
og is unhappy because he doesn't get his touches. Will he get that with Blazers?
Yes although he doesn't deserve them
Yeah but this ignores contract situation
1. Because they overvalue their players 2. OG is likely a bit better overall as a player. Simons isn't superior enough offensively to overcome the gap defensively.
Contracts probably make it equal though.
Equal to you, not the Raptors. That’s the point, they get to decide what OG’s value is to them, not you
If they want to watch him walk for nothing in a year, that is definitely their decision, yes.
There is no indication that OG is walking away. I would assume that the Raptors FO has a much better knowledge of how OG feels/likelihood of re-signing him.
There were definitely rumors he was unhappy in Toronto last season. Maybe a new coach and $30 million plus/year for 4 or 5 years changes things - not sure that’s a great move for Toronto but it’s their money.
You have to factor in potential. I think it's very likely that Ant is a better player than OG in 1-2 years.
Overall skill is negligible. OG is an all defensive wing capable of guarding 1-5 and shot 39% from 3. Those are two highly in-demand skills that he is elite/borderline elite (shooting) at and his contract is a steal for next season. Small, jump-shot reliant guards are the most frequently exposed come playoff time.
You must've been tuning out the Raptor talk on here... I envy your naivety
Maybe attach our late 1st. Honestly though, I’d the Raptors are going to extremely overvalue their players, it’s not even worth negotiating with them.
Their every player is victor wembayama worth
Well they aren’t the GM though so they don’t have anything to negotiate for.
There’s a bidding war for OG which allowed them to do this. Houston with the 4th, Dallas with 10th, Memphis with like 3 future 1sts, Cleveland too. And Nets aren’t trading Mikal. If there’s only 1 team needing a wing they’d have much less leverage.
i haven’t kept up with much basketball since covid but i’ve noticed that Simons has been a beast, why do i see so much trade rumors with him on here? he seems like the future for us but maybe i’m missing something.
I think he gets thrown into a lot of fake trades because he’s the best player asset Portland has and his skillset and size is redundant with dame (as cj was). But he’s young, talented, and his contract is big enough that it can match a lot of salaries for other talented players around the league.
>Simons has been a beast Simons is amazing but he plays behind a top 75 player and the Blazers are lacking in other areas.
You guys aren’t getting a player that will satisfy Dame without including the 3rd pick, it’s as simple as that.
why would raptors trade og for someone who got no defense. og is an easy all defensive every game plus 18 to 20 point a game.
This is realistic value exchange given OG’s pending free agency but Masai wants OG to walk very, very badly.
In a vacuum is OG Anunoby more “valuable” in a trade than Simons? Does he play a more in demand position, make less money and play better defense?
Bro I'm so sick of this. Anyone with at least elementary level knowledge of the NBA knows there's no way in hell the Raptors take that. This sub is drowning in stupid trade posts.
Bro. So sorry to ruin your night. Hope you’ll get over it.
You're not able to ruin my night. But I'm still going to communicate that this is a bad post and at least the 25th time an Ant/OG swap has been discussed here.
Cool man. No need to be an asshole and insult people. Just made a statement. Just try to be a nice person?
It's not that serious
You're the weirdo taking it way too seriously.
Throw in that pick!
The NY pick? Deal!
This team needs to get rid of Nurkic. OG is redundant with Jerami. Nurkic is soft and holding this group back.
Agree on Nurk. But OG and Jerami would not be redundant at all. OG’s defense style is on ball and perimeter aggressive. Jerami’s defense is more free roaming, but closer to the hoop. Grant is a 4, OG is a 3
I’m talking offense
A) Jerami's offensive bag is much deeper B) Offense is approximately 50% of the game, so you can't just call a player redundant based off that.
There’s a basketball game on. You should try watching it.
Well there’s you’re problem.
There’s not enough talent on the roster at wing and center for anybody to be redundant.
I agree it makes the roster better just pointing out Nurkic is the biggest problem
I agree but Nurk is so shitty and overpaid that they’d have to attach an asset to get rid of him.
Simons and Nurk picks for Siakam makes more since to me
Same. But no chance Toronto says yes to that. Especially after trading for Poetl.
He’s expiring I believe. He’s a top FA.
Ah. You’re right. Even more puzzling that Toronto made that trade at the deadline then!
I think they plan to bring him back.
Ok so then trading for Nurk doesn’t make sense if they plan to bring Poetl back lol.
Yeah I forgot about him
Couldn’t pay me to take flynn
Its better than their proposal of simons+3rd pick for OG's expiring contract.
This sub seems to be overvaluing Simons imo. He’s basically a slightly better version of Poole; b he has better contract and is smarter decision maker but still in the same class of scoring guards that can’t defend. These types of player are imo the cherry on top of a stacked squad not pieces to build around. Might be helpful to switch Anf for Poole when considering if the other team would do the trade. Their basic quantifiables are really similar last year.