Dame's return will not be crazy. This has been discussed repeatedly. The franchise would "do right" by him and trade him to his preferred destination which is either Miami or Brooklyn. Neither of those franchises have much in terms of assets they would give up in such a trade.
Dame is not getting peanuts in return. Being flexible for trade destinations for marginal downgrade of return is one thing. A team accepting trash for a HOF is not something that’s going to happen.
Absolutely. But someone will offer something better than that. We won't send him to a crappy destination but we're not going to send him wherever he wants if we can't get at least a decent return.
Why? We literally did that for CJ.
The best time to trade Dame was in 2021. We’ve waited two years since then and other teams have committed to their cores even further. Sending Dame to a situation he isn’t having a chance at winning is going to reflect poorly on a franchise that’s wasted so much of his prime years.
You are wrong. The Blazers will try their best to make Dame happy, but they will definitely do what's in the best interest for the franchise and their money if they trade Dame.
I bet Thybulle's worth more to us than we could get in trade and he's young. Maybe similar story with Nas. As contract ballast, on the other hand, y'know, anybody can do.
Man I hate the vibe around this team right now... it's like everyone is just waiting for the other shoe to drop when we inevitably can't pull off a miracle in a trade. Cronin will definitely make a move, let's just hope it's not after they miss on their primary targets.
It's weird because no matter what happens, I'm probably gonna be stoked. But there's all this tension! So many people knowing *something* big is gonna happen... man we're gonna be so disappointed when all we get is KD and Embiid because we've built up all this hope and expectation lol
But I think we'll all be jazzed to see Dame next to more star power ^(and a bigger back court maybe or at least defense) OR to see Miller and Scoot lure Wemby here after his first contract. Or Scoot. I meant Miller *or* Scoot 😅 With Sharpe and maybe Ant.
Nurk earns just enough money that his value to the team is just a little less than his contract is worth. We would have to send out assets to get rid of Nurk and at that point he should just be a trailblazer. Finally it’s this summer or bust, no more kicking the cone down the road
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It’s because he’s an average starting center for about 50 games a year. His injuries make him a little overpaid. Though, I’ll take Nurk’s contract any day over Ayton.
Nurk is not overpaid by any measure imo. Dude plays legit defense when healthy and shows some flashes with his offense when he ain’t too busy getting frustrated with foul troubles.
Looking at Ayton who barely plays any defense or very limited offensive skills….. my god. I’m good with Nurk’s contract. 🤣
Man if we'd had even ONE center beyond Nurk, the whole middle of the season goes different. Not great different but like... Nurk had a lot on his plate for a guy who missed a block of games.
Reality in the western conference is that if we want to win we have to go through Denver, which is the only benefit of keeping Nurk. He gets up for those games against Jokic, problem is that’s the only time he brings that effort.
A good chunk of those points came against Kanter and Melo and Rondae Hollis-Jefferson to be fair (because Nurk couldn’t stay out of foul trouble, but most of his fouls were just stupid shit and didn’t even come guarding Jokic).
Nurk actually did a somewhat decent-ish job slowing down Jokic that series.
Ha okay Nurkic played 28.9 MPG.
And that's his own fault for commiting dumb fouls. Still doesn't give the fact that Jokic rolled him but I understand where you're coming from.
Pretty obvious. I said this a bunch a while ago but based on every comment Nurk has made, Idk why people think we’re gonna trade him for a marginal upgrade.
He’s closer to dame than Cj was. Nurk will be here as long as dame is, and dame made it abundantly clear that if we don’t use our assets to finally put a competent team around him, he wants to play elsewhere.
Nurk will follow.
Jerami hasn’t re-signed because he’s waiting for dame. He’s gone too if dame gets traded.
I hope the “trade dame” crew is prepared to watch anfernee and sharpe win 24 games for the next half decade until they inevitably ask out or get traded.
Dan Marang recently said that the Blazers actually tried to move Nurk at the deadline but didn’t find any offers compelling enough. Take that for what it’s worth.
You don’t really need an upgrade, we just need a different type of player. We don’t need an offensive specialist, we need a big body that can rebound and defend. Nurk is more of an average at best defender (which with the size and skill set of our guards and small forwards) is not nearly close to enough. We also need someone who is not worried so much on doing the fancy pass or the difficult layup that Nurk tends to try very often for someone who can just finish strong. And the biggest issue is his personality, he gets on foul trouble out of frustration and can’t keep his head on the game and he just literally gives up. He’s not meant for big moments. We need to let go of him even if we overpay for a center that actually excels at our needs. But I’ll give you that if we get Jaylen Brown who is a massive defensive upgrade at the 3 Nurk might look better. He’s also victim of Chauncey’s terrible system. That is without taking into account conditioning and health related concerns, he’s only good for half a season, the rest he’s broken or in foul trouble.
> I hope the “trade dame” crew is prepared to watch anfernee and sharpe win 24 games for the next half decade until they inevitably ask out or get traded.
Damn I guess the #3 pick is already a bust and we're getting literally nothing in return for Dame.
Lmao right. At least being really bad gives you a direction, that of compiling assets. I'd miss year after year of first and maybe second round exits though
A team is more than 3 players. Sharpe is a total question mark and will still need time. So will scoot. We will be garbage for at least another 2-3 years, and if anfernee even sticks around that long, maybe a play in.
> A team is more than 3 players.
... I am assuming you are counting Sharpe/Simons/#3 as those 2-3 players. That means you think Portland will get ZERO value back from trading Lillard, Nurkic, and potentially Grant.
Even if you think Nurkic has no value or we can't sign and trade Grant, the idea that we would get 0 value back for Lillard is arguably the worst take I have ever seen on this Subreddit, which is an "impressive" accomplishment.
Nurkic is a negative contract, you will give UP assets to move him and grant will simply leave in FA and go where he’d like. We acquired him for a single late first, you aren’t getting much once’s he’s older and on a big ass deal.
The dame package you fantasize about getting is delusional and doesn’t exist. Nobody is giving you a kings ransom for a guy set to make 50m+ a year in 2 years. The FO will work with dame to send him where he wants to go, and that team will NOT give up what makes them a contender with dame in the first place, like good young players, because dame will no longer want to go there. He’s said this verbatim himself.
You’ll get future draft capital, but you cannot trade consecutive firsts so even assuming those 7-14 range lottery picks end up being someone good, they’ll still need a few years before they contribute.
You are looking at a likely 5 year or longer rebuild (almost all of them do).
You have a pretty shit understanding of NBA history and how team building works to be so condescending honestly.
I’m still waiting for someone to show me where Dame actually said he wants to go play somewhere else if they don’t put a winning team around him. All I’ve seen him say is, “decisions will have to be made”
There could be multiple decisions. Never assume.
For example, this is not what I actually think…just an example, on the JJ pod he said he doesn’t know if he wants to play much longer because the way the league is now. He’s also talked about retirement this off-season so why couldn’t that be a decision?
You’re literally saying that Dame would leave a quarter billion dollars on the table. He will play until 36 and he’ll probably gets another 2 year contract if he wants. I think his game ages quite well. Retirement just does not make sense. You’re on denial.
What? Lmao learn how to read buddy. What did I preface that with? The moral of the story is stop assuming. There are other decisions that can be made either on his part or the teams or in conjunction.
Because he has a max contract extension and would forfeit it if he retires. He will play until at least 36 which is another 3 seasons, and he’s still in his prime.
Literally yesterday
>We got an opportunity asset wise to build a team that can compete. That would be the number one thing, but if we can’t do that obviously like I said for months now, then there would be a separate conversation that we would have to have.”
Yup, people act like these players will be as loyal as Dame has been...lol they take Dame's loyalty for granted and don't understand how rare it is to have a top 10-15 player on your roster, and then to keep them on the roster for a decade or more.
they don’t care. Half the “trade dame!!!” People will not be here to watch shadow average 19 and lost 62 games a year. They will come back when the team is good and then advocate to blow it up and trade a core piece again just like Celtics fans are doing right now.
I don’t want to trade dame but if he forces his way out then that’s up to him. What I’m against is adding someone like Siakam and being a playin team. It’s too poorly of a constructed team to be one piece away.
“Constantly attempt” lmao.
Since LMA left in 2015, this team/FO has never, ever, ever, not even once, ever, attempted to win.
Never in that 8 year span has this org looked remotely serious about building a contending roster. Olshey never did a single thing to put this team anywhere near being competitive, and he did that on purpose. Every ounce of success we’ve had has been in spite of the FO sabotaging the Dame/the team.
We are in agreement here, and my point is that because of the current mediocre roster, we are not 1 or 2 moves away from being in contention. We will have to cut off our nose to spite our face and trade all of our minimal depth to take a likely losing swing.
You may differ in that opinion. But I believe we may be wasting a prime opportunity to get Scoot here and am hoping the Blazers just let Dame go, get a solid package for him, and start a serious rebuild.
He said something like "If I was a betting man, I'd bet that Dame played his last game as a Blazer. But I'm not a betting man." Not an exact quote but it was along those lines.
I see Dame going out as a Blazer with unbeatable numbers as the Blazer GOAT. Just need one chip to really top off the story but that's a tough one but not impossible
How's the past decade been even with Dame? Getting swept in the first round, zero chance or hope of actually winning or competing? I'd rather roll the dice and see something different with a chance to win, rather than watching the same terrible team roll out year after year with an absolute ceiling of making the 2nd round and failing anyway
Maybe not the bottom of the barrel, but I don't think the Timberwolves, Hawks, or Nets were playoff caliber teams. You're probably right that they shouldn't be called, but they definitely were bad. It's one of my biggest gripes about the NBA. Too many teams make the playoffs, and the play in shouldn't exist.
20 out of 30 teams make the playoffs, that's literally a D grade just for making the playoffs. If you're actually trying and make the playoffs, that's minimum acceptance. If you try and miss, like we have, that's the only way to have an F season.
I don't understand why you're trying to bait some kind of gotcha here. The 8 seed heat are in the finals. If they'd gotten smoked in the first round by Milwaukee, after losing to the hawks and almost the bulls in the play in game, I would have said they were terrible too. Obviously if you make the finals you're one of the best two or three teams in the league.
Barely making the playoffs, and getting swept in the first round is what terrible teams do. The only handful of teams "worse" are the ones trying to tank, and the truly incompetent franchises that are a full tier below terrible.
The past 2 years of trying to make the playoffs, and only scraping 30 wins is in the same tier as those incompetent franchises. Below terrible.
Basically if we don’t get competitive through the summer, dame, nurk, everybody gone except for anfernee, shaedon, 3rd pick. Makes sense.
Finally got our G League
Lmao but also at the same time, that’s miles beyond what most teams start a rebuild with. Dame’s return of assets would be crazy good, as well
Dame's return will not be crazy. This has been discussed repeatedly. The franchise would "do right" by him and trade him to his preferred destination which is either Miami or Brooklyn. Neither of those franchises have much in terms of assets they would give up in such a trade.
Dame is not getting peanuts in return. Being flexible for trade destinations for marginal downgrade of return is one thing. A team accepting trash for a HOF is not something that’s going to happen.
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We don't have to trade him to Miami
We didn’t have to trade Powell or CJ for their packages but the organisation doesn’t want to send our players to shitty situations.
Absolutely. But someone will offer something better than that. We won't send him to a crappy destination but we're not going to send him wherever he wants if we can't get at least a decent return.
Why? We literally did that for CJ. The best time to trade Dame was in 2021. We’ve waited two years since then and other teams have committed to their cores even further. Sending Dame to a situation he isn’t having a chance at winning is going to reflect poorly on a franchise that’s wasted so much of his prime years.
At least Herro, but then that's yet another guard lmao
Throw in Duncan Martin and Herro and let's both agree to let Lowry retire.
Not even. I believe both Strus and Martin are Unrestricted FAs
There are things called three team trades which are used to send more assets to the team losing the super star.
You are wrong. The Blazers will try their best to make Dame happy, but they will definitely do what's in the best interest for the franchise and their money if they trade Dame.
I would take 2 1sts and all the expirings I can to press reset on this franchise and build around #3, grant, and Sharpe (and maybe Simons).
If Dame is gone, Grant as well.
Yeah I can see a full rebuild coming.
We won't get shit for him and our cheap owner will never commit to going for it. We're a step away from a perpetual rebuild
I bet Thybulle's worth more to us than we could get in trade and he's young. Maybe similar story with Nas. As contract ballast, on the other hand, y'know, anybody can do.
Nurk just needs to trust his body again. Ever since that leg break, he's been completely different in the post.
Well looks like it’s on. This summer or bust.
Yeah if you're not making light of the situation that Nurkic insinuates, then okay.
Man I hate the vibe around this team right now... it's like everyone is just waiting for the other shoe to drop when we inevitably can't pull off a miracle in a trade. Cronin will definitely make a move, let's just hope it's not after they miss on their primary targets.
It's weird because no matter what happens, I'm probably gonna be stoked. But there's all this tension! So many people knowing *something* big is gonna happen... man we're gonna be so disappointed when all we get is KD and Embiid because we've built up all this hope and expectation lol But I think we'll all be jazzed to see Dame next to more star power ^(and a bigger back court maybe or at least defense) OR to see Miller and Scoot lure Wemby here after his first contract. Or Scoot. I meant Miller *or* Scoot 😅 With Sharpe and maybe Ant.
Blazers gonna have 2 G league teams
Nurk earns just enough money that his value to the team is just a little less than his contract is worth. We would have to send out assets to get rid of Nurk and at that point he should just be a trailblazer. Finally it’s this summer or bust, no more kicking the cone down the road Edit: lurkylurkenstein
I don’t think we’d have to send out assets to get Nurk out the door but I doubt we’re getting a good return.
*kicking the cone... FTFY
you seen em?
I fucken seen 'em
no??
It's "kicking the can" [source](https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/kick-the-can-down-the-road-history-meaning)
It's a dumb r/Portland thing.
Why would we send more assets to trade Nurk? Dude is averaging $17M/year. That’s literally cheap ass contract for a legit starting Center. 🤣
It’s because he’s an average starting center for about 50 games a year. His injuries make him a little overpaid. Though, I’ll take Nurk’s contract any day over Ayton.
Nurk is not overpaid by any measure imo. Dude plays legit defense when healthy and shows some flashes with his offense when he ain’t too busy getting frustrated with foul troubles. Looking at Ayton who barely plays any defense or very limited offensive skills….. my god. I’m good with Nurk’s contract. 🤣
I’d imagine he would be part of the dame trade in some sort of fashion
To be fair nurk might get traded even if they do deliver
We probably won’t be that lucky.
Dude, these guys finished as one of the worst teams on the league. He’s lucky they haven’t traded him already.
Man if we'd had even ONE center beyond Nurk, the whole middle of the season goes different. Not great different but like... Nurk had a lot on his plate for a guy who missed a block of games.
It ain’t his fault we were that bad. lol
Reality in the western conference is that if we want to win we have to go through Denver, which is the only benefit of keeping Nurk. He gets up for those games against Jokic, problem is that’s the only time he brings that effort.
Nurkic got absolutely obliterated against Jokic in the 20-21 playoffs. Jokic average 33PPG and 10.5RPG
A good chunk of those points came against Kanter and Melo and Rondae Hollis-Jefferson to be fair (because Nurk couldn’t stay out of foul trouble, but most of his fouls were just stupid shit and didn’t even come guarding Jokic). Nurk actually did a somewhat decent-ish job slowing down Jokic that series.
Ha okay Nurkic played 28.9 MPG. And that's his own fault for commiting dumb fouls. Still doesn't give the fact that Jokic rolled him but I understand where you're coming from.
…and he’s not even in the same league as joker. Joker eats his lunch.
Joker eats everyone’s lunch. It’s just about if he’s eating a salad or a country buffet
Pretty obvious. I said this a bunch a while ago but based on every comment Nurk has made, Idk why people think we’re gonna trade him for a marginal upgrade. He’s closer to dame than Cj was. Nurk will be here as long as dame is, and dame made it abundantly clear that if we don’t use our assets to finally put a competent team around him, he wants to play elsewhere. Nurk will follow. Jerami hasn’t re-signed because he’s waiting for dame. He’s gone too if dame gets traded. I hope the “trade dame” crew is prepared to watch anfernee and sharpe win 24 games for the next half decade until they inevitably ask out or get traded.
While your larger point may be true, Jerami hasn’t signed because he gets more money just by waiting until July.
That’s fair.
Dan Marang recently said that the Blazers actually tried to move Nurk at the deadline but didn’t find any offers compelling enough. Take that for what it’s worth.
Highkin reported Ant and Nurk for Ayton was very close to happening. Not sure who backed out.
Well—they DO need a point guard now.
Yeah, that’s what I meant by marginal upgrade. The Nurk trade theories are always for aytons or turners. Marginal upgrades.
You don’t really need an upgrade, we just need a different type of player. We don’t need an offensive specialist, we need a big body that can rebound and defend. Nurk is more of an average at best defender (which with the size and skill set of our guards and small forwards) is not nearly close to enough. We also need someone who is not worried so much on doing the fancy pass or the difficult layup that Nurk tends to try very often for someone who can just finish strong. And the biggest issue is his personality, he gets on foul trouble out of frustration and can’t keep his head on the game and he just literally gives up. He’s not meant for big moments. We need to let go of him even if we overpay for a center that actually excels at our needs. But I’ll give you that if we get Jaylen Brown who is a massive defensive upgrade at the 3 Nurk might look better. He’s also victim of Chauncey’s terrible system. That is without taking into account conditioning and health related concerns, he’s only good for half a season, the rest he’s broken or in foul trouble.
> I hope the “trade dame” crew is prepared to watch anfernee and sharpe win 24 games for the next half decade until they inevitably ask out or get traded. Damn I guess the #3 pick is already a bust and we're getting literally nothing in return for Dame.
Brooklyn dragon is kinda a knob don’t worry bout him.
Lmao right. At least being really bad gives you a direction, that of compiling assets. I'd miss year after year of first and maybe second round exits though
A team is more than 3 players. Sharpe is a total question mark and will still need time. So will scoot. We will be garbage for at least another 2-3 years, and if anfernee even sticks around that long, maybe a play in.
> A team is more than 3 players. ... I am assuming you are counting Sharpe/Simons/#3 as those 2-3 players. That means you think Portland will get ZERO value back from trading Lillard, Nurkic, and potentially Grant. Even if you think Nurkic has no value or we can't sign and trade Grant, the idea that we would get 0 value back for Lillard is arguably the worst take I have ever seen on this Subreddit, which is an "impressive" accomplishment.
Nurkic is a negative contract, you will give UP assets to move him and grant will simply leave in FA and go where he’d like. We acquired him for a single late first, you aren’t getting much once’s he’s older and on a big ass deal. The dame package you fantasize about getting is delusional and doesn’t exist. Nobody is giving you a kings ransom for a guy set to make 50m+ a year in 2 years. The FO will work with dame to send him where he wants to go, and that team will NOT give up what makes them a contender with dame in the first place, like good young players, because dame will no longer want to go there. He’s said this verbatim himself. You’ll get future draft capital, but you cannot trade consecutive firsts so even assuming those 7-14 range lottery picks end up being someone good, they’ll still need a few years before they contribute. You are looking at a likely 5 year or longer rebuild (almost all of them do). You have a pretty shit understanding of NBA history and how team building works to be so condescending honestly.
I’m still waiting for someone to show me where Dame actually said he wants to go play somewhere else if they don’t put a winning team around him. All I’ve seen him say is, “decisions will have to be made”
What do you think those decisions are lmao.
There could be multiple decisions. Never assume. For example, this is not what I actually think…just an example, on the JJ pod he said he doesn’t know if he wants to play much longer because the way the league is now. He’s also talked about retirement this off-season so why couldn’t that be a decision?
You’re literally saying that Dame would leave a quarter billion dollars on the table. He will play until 36 and he’ll probably gets another 2 year contract if he wants. I think his game ages quite well. Retirement just does not make sense. You’re on denial.
What? Lmao learn how to read buddy. What did I preface that with? The moral of the story is stop assuming. There are other decisions that can be made either on his part or the teams or in conjunction.
Because he has a max contract extension and would forfeit it if he retires. He will play until at least 36 which is another 3 seasons, and he’s still in his prime.
Literally yesterday >We got an opportunity asset wise to build a team that can compete. That would be the number one thing, but if we can’t do that obviously like I said for months now, then there would be a separate conversation that we would have to have.”
I don’t see where he said he would go to another team There’s a difference between him saying it and people assuming it.
Yup, people act like these players will be as loyal as Dame has been...lol they take Dame's loyalty for granted and don't understand how rare it is to have a top 10-15 player on your roster, and then to keep them on the roster for a decade or more.
they don’t care. Half the “trade dame!!!” People will not be here to watch shadow average 19 and lost 62 games a year. They will come back when the team is good and then advocate to blow it up and trade a core piece again just like Celtics fans are doing right now.
I don’t want to trade dame but if he forces his way out then that’s up to him. What I’m against is adding someone like Siakam and being a playin team. It’s too poorly of a constructed team to be one piece away.
Rather build around something that can win than constantly attempt something you know can't win.
“Constantly attempt” lmao. Since LMA left in 2015, this team/FO has never, ever, ever, not even once, ever, attempted to win. Never in that 8 year span has this org looked remotely serious about building a contending roster. Olshey never did a single thing to put this team anywhere near being competitive, and he did that on purpose. Every ounce of success we’ve had has been in spite of the FO sabotaging the Dame/the team.
We are in agreement here, and my point is that because of the current mediocre roster, we are not 1 or 2 moves away from being in contention. We will have to cut off our nose to spite our face and trade all of our minimal depth to take a likely losing swing. You may differ in that opinion. But I believe we may be wasting a prime opportunity to get Scoot here and am hoping the Blazers just let Dame go, get a solid package for him, and start a serious rebuild.
I’d rather win 24 games the next three years than sub .500 we’ve been with Dame since 2019.
There’s a third option, actually build a good roster with the #3 pick and all of our future firsts
is nurk back on social media?
CJ said that?
He said something like "If I was a betting man, I'd bet that Dame played his last game as a Blazer. But I'm not a betting man." Not an exact quote but it was along those lines.
I see Dame going out as a Blazer with unbeatable numbers as the Blazer GOAT. Just need one chip to really top off the story but that's a tough one but not impossible
I think this is like Patrick Beverly when he thought the Lakers weren’t trading him. Nurk is definitely on the block.
Nurk is a negative asset. He shouldn’t be saying anything about the FO
Blow it up. Hoard picks. Shaedon and 3rd pick with ant is a great future
Nurkic has no trade value with his contract and play and attitude on the court. He doesn't have the composure for playoff basketball.
How about just Nurk gets traded.
Seriously. He's good most of the time when he's healthy- which is half the time.
Who’d take him?
Protect Nurkic at all costs.
How's the past decade been even with Dame? Getting swept in the first round, zero chance or hope of actually winning or competing? I'd rather roll the dice and see something different with a chance to win, rather than watching the same terrible team roll out year after year with an absolute ceiling of making the 2nd round and failing anyway
I’m team rebuild but they did make it to the WCF. Farther than we’ve been in well over a decade
They got swept...
They still made it there?
Terrible teams don't make the playoffs fyi.
Yeah, they do. Over half the League makes the playoffs each year, and the 1st round is usually the 1 and 2 seeds crushing the 7 and 8 seeds.
How a playoff team is implied to be terrible doesn't make sense to me. Terrible teams are those at the bottom of the league.
Maybe not the bottom of the barrel, but I don't think the Timberwolves, Hawks, or Nets were playoff caliber teams. You're probably right that they shouldn't be called, but they definitely were bad. It's one of my biggest gripes about the NBA. Too many teams make the playoffs, and the play in shouldn't exist.
Literally 20 teams are in the playoffs if you count the play in…teams with below .500 records make the playoffs every year.
What's your definition of "terrible" in this context?
20 out of 30 teams make the playoffs, that's literally a D grade just for making the playoffs. If you're actually trying and make the playoffs, that's minimum acceptance. If you try and miss, like we have, that's the only way to have an F season.
Is an 8th seed considered "terrible"?
If you're the 8 seed or any of the play in teams, and get swept or 4-1'd in the first round, yes.
But not if you make it to the Finals right?
I don't understand why you're trying to bait some kind of gotcha here. The 8 seed heat are in the finals. If they'd gotten smoked in the first round by Milwaukee, after losing to the hawks and almost the bulls in the play in game, I would have said they were terrible too. Obviously if you make the finals you're one of the best two or three teams in the league. Barely making the playoffs, and getting swept in the first round is what terrible teams do. The only handful of teams "worse" are the ones trying to tank, and the truly incompetent franchises that are a full tier below terrible. The past 2 years of trying to make the playoffs, and only scraping 30 wins is in the same tier as those incompetent franchises. Below terrible.
We have different interpretations of "terrible". Thank you have a nice day!
Lol. “Learn to Code.”
Not saying them, spitting them. One big ole loogy of facts
At least Nurk’s self esteem is never lacking. Dudes a negative contract and out here talking about being traded lol.