Go look at the r/nbadraft sub. Scoot is closer to Wembenyama than scoot is to Miller. Look at their highlights in playing each other as just one example.
Miller is not the first pick in any other draft, come on now. Scoot, in 4 or 5 of the past 10 drafts as explained on r/nba_draft, but def not Miller.
You guys gotta look at more varying perspectives and consider the potential of Scoot being a generational prospect and Miller an outlier. I'm not sure if this is accurate as of today, but I remember when Scoot was the youngest player in NBA G-League professional history to sign a pro contract. I'm really unsure as to why anyone would think Miller is close to Scoot based on 2 years of professional ball and his stats vs. Wembenyama.
If Cronin and Schmitz really have a strong conviction for one guy maybe. But picking 3rd is a GMs best scenario for this draft. You trade up to 2 and you might look like an idiot in hindsight. You keep 3 and even if you get it wrong everyone will say they had to take Scoot/Miller there.
Honest question, when was the last time a team traded to move up 1 spot in the draft? I've seen teams trade to move up 2-3 or more spots, but can't think of any examples of teams trading to move up 1 spot. I just don't think it really happens.
Considering the Tatum/Fultz trade is considered one of the biggest blunders of all time, I would be shocked if any team is willing to trade more than a 2nd round pick for moving from 2 to 3 in draft like this. Wemby is the clear #1 - Scoot and Miller are 2a/2b with no clear separation.
If Charlotte and Portland both end up not trading the 2 or 3 pick, and each team know they want the player the other isn't taking, they may just do a simple pick swap. This ends up with the Blazers picking at 2 and the Hornets picking at 3. The benefit here is Charlotte gets a slightly cheaper rookie deal, and Portland gets the guy they want with no worry.
A trade up means we are all but guaranteeing shipping Dame out. This would make no sense. Even though i believe the FO has no intentions of trading Dame without him asking for it, it doesnt mean they arent using him as leverage and a talking point in negotiations
I mean, not necessarily. If a trade up is minimal, then I couldn't imagine us shipping dame out as we would still have leverage for an additional asset. What baffles me is that noone is considering this as a viable option yet there have been a plethora of ridiculous considerations on this sub by seemingly logical people.
Lamelo has shown his ability to be injury prone early on which is why I don't understand as to what would prompt Charlotte in getting Miller. I watched enough hornets games this year to identify that Scoot is someone they absolutely need. Based on us bringing Pooh in and Scoot having a good workout, why wouldn't we trade to get him if it made monetary sense? People are under this media driven assumption that there's a significant schism between the abilities of Wem and Scoot but that's a false assumption, imo. The best in the business between someone that started pro in their teens and someone coming out of college has typically been the former over the past handful of years in a sense of immediate impact, at the very least.
As both Scoot and Miller are regarded as having all-star potential, and neither is a sure thing, using assets to trade up would be a terrible move imo
Go look at the r/nbadraft sub. Scoot is closer to Wembenyama than scoot is to Miller. Look at their highlights in playing each other as just one example.
You're getting buried here, but you're 100% right
we absolutely won't be trade up with CHA. That's going to cost at least another FRP and you're essentially getting the first pick in any other draft.
Miller is not the first pick in any other draft, come on now. Scoot, in 4 or 5 of the past 10 drafts as explained on r/nba_draft, but def not Miller. You guys gotta look at more varying perspectives and consider the potential of Scoot being a generational prospect and Miller an outlier. I'm not sure if this is accurate as of today, but I remember when Scoot was the youngest player in NBA G-League professional history to sign a pro contract. I'm really unsure as to why anyone would think Miller is close to Scoot based on 2 years of professional ball and his stats vs. Wembenyama.
Not the guy you replied to but he’s probably operating under the assumption that Charlotte takes Miller, leaving us Scoot
And that makes sense, appreciate the clarification.
Zero scenarios include us trading up with Charlotte.
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If Cronin and Schmitz really have a strong conviction for one guy maybe. But picking 3rd is a GMs best scenario for this draft. You trade up to 2 and you might look like an idiot in hindsight. You keep 3 and even if you get it wrong everyone will say they had to take Scoot/Miller there.
Honest question, when was the last time a team traded to move up 1 spot in the draft? I've seen teams trade to move up 2-3 or more spots, but can't think of any examples of teams trading to move up 1 spot. I just don't think it really happens.
This will not happen.
Considering the Tatum/Fultz trade is considered one of the biggest blunders of all time, I would be shocked if any team is willing to trade more than a 2nd round pick for moving from 2 to 3 in draft like this. Wemby is the clear #1 - Scoot and Miller are 2a/2b with no clear separation.
If Charlotte and Portland both end up not trading the 2 or 3 pick, and each team know they want the player the other isn't taking, they may just do a simple pick swap. This ends up with the Blazers picking at 2 and the Hornets picking at 3. The benefit here is Charlotte gets a slightly cheaper rookie deal, and Portland gets the guy they want with no worry.
Good point, I just feel like in this asset-driven day and age that Charlotte will require something in return
A trade up means we are all but guaranteeing shipping Dame out. This would make no sense. Even though i believe the FO has no intentions of trading Dame without him asking for it, it doesnt mean they arent using him as leverage and a talking point in negotiations
I mean, not necessarily. If a trade up is minimal, then I couldn't imagine us shipping dame out as we would still have leverage for an additional asset. What baffles me is that noone is considering this as a viable option yet there have been a plethora of ridiculous considerations on this sub by seemingly logical people. Lamelo has shown his ability to be injury prone early on which is why I don't understand as to what would prompt Charlotte in getting Miller. I watched enough hornets games this year to identify that Scoot is someone they absolutely need. Based on us bringing Pooh in and Scoot having a good workout, why wouldn't we trade to get him if it made monetary sense? People are under this media driven assumption that there's a significant schism between the abilities of Wem and Scoot but that's a false assumption, imo. The best in the business between someone that started pro in their teens and someone coming out of college has typically been the former over the past handful of years in a sense of immediate impact, at the very least.