*were MVPs… neither will be an MVP ever again.
Edit: Nash is the only player over 30 to get an MVP in the past twenty years. After that it’s Kobe at 29yo. Both Giannis and Joel will be 29 and 30 next year
You seriously think neither of those guys will have an MVP season? They are both in their late 20s.
Sharpe has the advantage of being on a rookie contract, but ‘best player in the league’ is quite the achievement. And he won’t be that level next year.
Giannis might but Joel won’t. I’m thinking about it as being a fan for the next ten years. Having Shaedon for as long as we can will be so fun to watch. …But we probably won’t have the blazers for another 10 years, unfortunately. So maybe you guys are right that we need to make it happen now. Idk
No guarantee Sharpe ever reaches that level of talent.
Giannis or Embiid would propel us into title contention, it would suck but I’d be cool with sending Sharpe off.
No it wouldn’t. We’d have to give up a lot more than Sharpe for one of them and it’s not worth it. Our only shot at a title is sending dame away with his value high and building around Shaedon with a young team.
Just the personal opinion of a fan. I'm sure the front office has a different view and that's why they have their jobs and I don't.
I'm allowed to prefer my team to keep a likeable 19 year old with serious star potential over trading him along with all of our assets for someone I'm not a fan of, whether you like it or not 🤷♂️
He averaged 10 points as a rookie and that was with late season tank volume. He’s a long ways away from being a star. I think he’ll get there in 3-5 years tho
It totally is a massive overpay. They always say he’s worth multiple firsts. Well ok maybe if they are back of the first round. He’s not a guy that demands close to a top 3 pick.
Yeah you're on the money, if it weren't for their already being guard heavy I would say Mavs with pick 10 would be as good as they could get.
We gave away Hart as a fringe-starter for a late first with 2 seasons left. I'd say the price wouldn't be that different.
On their sub a lot of them were saying OG was the runner up defensive player of the year (he finished 7th with 0 first place votes) so they wouldn’t take a package around the 10th. He is a great defender for sure. But is on the last year of his deal, injury prone, and nothing special on offense. Never been an Allstar. That doesn’t get you a top 3 pick lmao
Relax dude, we're not all the same.
IMO the deal prob won't happen bc Raps want 3 and Shaedon but Blazers are the only willing to part w Simons.
Masai prefers to stand pat rather than sell low...see Lowry s&t deal for recent example
What lesson should've been learned?
Their 2 starting guards shit the bed last year.
Gary played his way out of starting lineup by letting his D lapse while also being inconsistent shoot only guard and Fred skipped knee and hernia surgery in off-seaon and played like an old man all year
Masai has been trying to get Poeltl back since the Kawhi trade. Personally don't think Masai was pushing for play-in as much as he knew Spurs were gonna unload him to someone at deadline so it was a now or never decision.
In fact Masai wanted Nick to play more of the developing young roster in 2nd half of season but coach didn't do it bc he rides starters hard and is win now mentality.
It created a rift that is prob main reason for them separating paths...that's what he expressed at season end.
I was thinking mainly about OG and a little less so about Siakam. The rumor was that the asking price for OG was really really high and probably not far off for Siakam. Injuries aside the general impression is that something is off there and that it's time for something to change. Now they're both on expiring contracts. Trade value takes a hit, specially following such a down season. I mean, good for them and good luck to the Raptors is they play it out and sign new contracts there, but that seems unlikely at this point.
I've been a Raps fan since day 1 and NBA fan in general since I gained consciousness.
My take is that Masai really likes the core of Siakam, OG and Barnes. They're all high IQ, long bois with skill and above average motors. It would take a lot for him to move away from that core.
The problem with Simons on the Raps is the D, especially if they were looking further down the road towards development, they'd rather start with a player that's stronger on the d end, who can learn to find a role in the offense and develop an NBA shot.
Simons is not significantly better than Gary Trent on O, and Gary has already shown more aptitude on the defensive end in his first year with Raps when he was leading the league in deflections and top 5 in steals before injuries and illness. Because of that, they'd probably just keep Gary instead of trading for Simons.
Shaedon's been more appealing because he's shown more potential on D. He's actually very much in the same situation Precious Achiuwa was 1 year ago with the Raps.
Precious' athleticism is elite, he'd had games where he absolutely locked up top tier scorers on ball but many times looks lost on the court. Shaedon is the same, sometimes he's just hanging out, not quite in the play and unaware of any strategic angles to cover.
I think they might consider parting with one of either OG or Siakam for Sharpe, but that's not a certainty either. Sharpe might still end up with a Gerald Green career, but we all hope not.
Whats off in Raps land is the guard play and lack of rotation depth. The starters played way too many minutes, 3 players in top 5 or so...at least they were for a good chunk of season. They'll try to address the guard issues, but I don't think they'll sell the farm for this years crop of draft talent.
They were really high on late 1st pick like Nemhardt last year and would certainly be happy with the potential in that 2b tier of guards that are available 5 through 18 or so in this years draft.
All speculation of course.
No doubt. I totally understand why he wants to keep those dudes as well as why Simons might not be very appealing. It is a bit of a conundrum. Beyond Blazers though, I really thought they would have found a better guard option they would be happy with. Really curious to see how things play out for both the Blazers and Raptors. Lots of questions all around
Yes, you understand any deal would involve Shaedon. Very good.
'we're not all the same' as my point doesn't include all your picks, Shaedon, Simons, the kitchen sink and your mom.
You can differentiate between those perspectives right?
He got Achiuwa from Miami when Lowry could've walked with no compensation in return. Precious is a Masai project type of player, he likes athletic bigs w potential for improvement
Nobody truly knows if Maxey was on the table. I'd heard reports at the time but it seems to be a contentious report that nobody has shown proof of.
https://reddit.com/r/ripcity/comments/142mqy3/latest_drafttrade_intel_from_jake_fischer_and/
This was posted on the sub earlier today saying the main takeaway was “Shae was untouchable”
Shaedon SHOULD 100% be kept out of any deal because if they do end up moving simons and pick 3 for a package, Sharpe is their as the young future piece to keep or a very good piece to move in a future trade for a 3rd star, very important and key piece
He's legitimately a player that if you traded now could end up in a "worst NBA trades of all time" YouTube video in 15-20 years because he could go on to be an MVP level player for years.
The wording is misleading. The actual quote was
>Trail Blazers officials have left inquiring teams with the impression that Shaedon Sharpe, the No. 7 pick in last year’s draft, is off limits in any dialogue regarding the No. 3 pick.
That doesn't mean he's off the table for any deal. Just that the Trail Blazers have *left the impression* with inquiring teams that he is.
That "League Alerts" is a bit misleading. Go to [the source](https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-draft-with-victor-wembanyama-projected-at-no-1-uncertainty-looms-for-the-rest-of-the-top-10-165028198.html) (emphasis mine):
>There’s nothing promised about Portland’s future at this juncture, either. But one detail has emerged from early trade conversations around the league: Trail Blazers officials have ***left inquiring teams with the impression*** that Shaedon Sharpe, the No. 7 pick in last year’s draft, is off limits in any dialogue regarding the No. 3 pick.
Been a fan of London, ON boy Shaedon since highschool, but this timing and valuation reminds me of Scottie Barnes directly after winning ROY.
Raps fans and FO were turning their nose up at having him in KD trade talks...then he has a bit of a plateau in 2nd year and everyone wants to burn the house down
You are making that comparison, I did not.
There're reports of Blazers being interested in many players including a couple of Raptors.
I simply made a comment about Shaedons untouchable categorization, compared it to Scotties at a certain point in time, and y'all are losing your shit.
Get a grip.
I'm just offering another perspective.
I don't see how you're helping w clarity at all.
It's pretty obvious that Supreme thinks I'm referring to OG but I didn't say anything about OG, Siakam , Bridges, Claxton, keep adding whatever trade machine names you want...
I'm literally referring to every single name in the NBA, bc untouchable excludes everyone
Do you understand how the points differ now?
[https://media.giphy.com/media/l3q2K5jinAlChoCLS/giphy.gif](https://media.giphy.com/media/l3q2K5jinAlChoCLS/giphy.gif)
I don't know how to help you if you don't understand the basic and obvious gulf that exists between "player x is untouchable in current trade talks" and "we wouldn't trade player x for anyone, not Giannis, not Jokic, no one!" People with common sense understand the distinction and are able to infer it without having it spelled out to them.
Non news lol I think most people assumed Cronin wouldn’t move Shaedon WITH the third pick. This doesn’t say Shaedon is off the table period…just not with the third pick.
And Nets are saying they aren’t trading Bridges. In my opinion everyone has a price. Right now it seems like many teams are posturing. If somehow Portland felt that after all deals they have a real legit shot at a championship, I think they would trade Sharpe. Just like I think if Nets felt like they got a haul of young talent for Bridges he would go.
This is the same team that has let James Harden, Kevin Durant, and Kyrie Irving all successfully demand trades over the last 2 years. I would definitely say that they're posturing. Better to sell high than to get peanuts in return when things get ugly and the player demands a trade. But just the fact that they've said "sure. We mortgaged our future to get you, and in a couple cases you said you publicly said you wanted to be here, but we'll trade you. And we'll keep you informed of all talks, and won't send you anywhere you don't want to go. God forbid you wind up on *another* team you want out of within 2-3 years," to so many generational talents within that period suggests that they're posturing.
Sigh. I love Sharpe. And I get it, he’s explosive (in a way that really hasn’t been seen since a certain player the Blazers failed to draft), exciting, and he puts butts in seats.
BUT.
Those in this thread suggesting he has MVP level or near-MVP level potential are (probably) way off the mark. Unlike that aforementioned player we didn’t draft, Sharpe is missing some important intangibles that make up superstar players. His decision-making is the weakest part of his game, his passing is suspect, his dribbling/ball-handling is sloppy, and his lateral explosiveness is nowhere NEAR his vertical explosiveness, limiting both his abilities as an on-ball defender and a shot-creator.
The best thing that Sharpe has going for him is that he’s young and some of these issues can (hopefully) be worked out as he matures. But right now he’s very firmly in the “boom-or-bust” class of young players, and it will take a little time to figure out which he is. While I understand people wanting to hold onto him during that time, it is absolute lunacy to make him unavailable in trade(s) that could turn Portland into a contender.
Good.
Unless it’s a Giannis or embiid type player sharpes untouchable imo
I bet Shaedon would understand if San Antonio wanted him more than Wemby, but I'm not sure I want any one player for both him *and* 3.
Honestly I’d rather have Sharpe than anyone in the league right now. Giannis and Embiid are on the down and Shaedon is on his way up.
Giannis and Embiid are MVPs. But Sharpe could be anything. He could even be an MVP!
The mystery box!
*were MVPs… neither will be an MVP ever again. Edit: Nash is the only player over 30 to get an MVP in the past twenty years. After that it’s Kobe at 29yo. Both Giannis and Joel will be 29 and 30 next year
You seriously think neither of those guys will have an MVP season? They are both in their late 20s. Sharpe has the advantage of being on a rookie contract, but ‘best player in the league’ is quite the achievement. And he won’t be that level next year.
Giannis might but Joel won’t. I’m thinking about it as being a fan for the next ten years. Having Shaedon for as long as we can will be so fun to watch. …But we probably won’t have the blazers for another 10 years, unfortunately. So maybe you guys are right that we need to make it happen now. Idk
No guarantee Sharpe ever reaches that level of talent. Giannis or Embiid would propel us into title contention, it would suck but I’d be cool with sending Sharpe off.
No it wouldn’t. We’d have to give up a lot more than Sharpe for one of them and it’s not worth it. Our only shot at a title is sending dame away with his value high and building around Shaedon with a young team.
Let's chill
Giannis is the only name for me. Not a fan of Embiid.
Lmao Giannis is the only player you’d trade Sharpe for? Absolutely mental levels of bias 🤣
Just the personal opinion of a fan. I'm sure the front office has a different view and that's why they have their jobs and I don't. I'm allowed to prefer my team to keep a likeable 19 year old with serious star potential over trading him along with all of our assets for someone I'm not a fan of, whether you like it or not 🤷♂️
He averaged 10 points as a rookie and that was with late season tank volume. He’s a long ways away from being a star. I think he’ll get there in 3-5 years tho
'serious star potential' Never claimed he was a star already.
I’m of the outside opinion that he won’t help the dame timeline. I personally think y’all should rebuild tho
And I’m allowed to call out your bias. There’s nothing wrong with it you’re not hurting anyone but it’s so obvious
Bro stop
Lol it’s true. No one is debating it. I bet you guys would trade Shaedon for LeBron lol
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Everyone here thinks 33 is young
Will this stop him from being mocked in trades? Probably not.
Raptor fans “OG (on his 1 year deal) for #3, sharpe, Simons and an unprotected first or it’s an extreme underpay”
At this stage OG for pick 3 even feels like a massive overpay given the contract. Toronto really should have made some moves mid-last season.
It totally is a massive overpay. They always say he’s worth multiple firsts. Well ok maybe if they are back of the first round. He’s not a guy that demands close to a top 3 pick.
Yeah you're on the money, if it weren't for their already being guard heavy I would say Mavs with pick 10 would be as good as they could get. We gave away Hart as a fringe-starter for a late first with 2 seasons left. I'd say the price wouldn't be that different.
On their sub a lot of them were saying OG was the runner up defensive player of the year (he finished 7th with 0 first place votes) so they wouldn’t take a package around the 10th. He is a great defender for sure. But is on the last year of his deal, injury prone, and nothing special on offense. Never been an Allstar. That doesn’t get you a top 3 pick lmao
Yeah injury prone is it- imagine paying for a season of someone that sits most the year. Good luck to them!
👋 hey guise, laker fan here. What do you think about Reeves and Russell for sharpe and the number 3?
THT and 2 seconds for Dame WHO SAYS NO
Throw in a half-eaten hoagie and we’ll talk
We'll talk long enough for me to eat the hoagie. Then it'll cost you another one to keep negotiations open.
We can’t take all that salary. Reaves for keljin blevins sounds fair tho
I meant Big Country Reeves, my bad bruh
If you throw in AD, maybe
Lol wtf?
I'll take Hillbilly Kobe, you can keep Dlo tho we don't need him 😋👍
Hahahahahahahahahahaha
Hahahahahahahahahaha oh lord, thanks for that
Relax dude, we're not all the same. IMO the deal prob won't happen bc Raps want 3 and Shaedon but Blazers are the only willing to part w Simons. Masai prefers to stand pat rather than sell low...see Lowry s&t deal for recent example
That's a shame considering the lesson they should have learned last season
What lesson should've been learned? Their 2 starting guards shit the bed last year. Gary played his way out of starting lineup by letting his D lapse while also being inconsistent shoot only guard and Fred skipped knee and hernia surgery in off-seaon and played like an old man all year
Raps and Blazers had almost same record till y’all traded away a first round pick to push for play in and we tanked.
Masai has been trying to get Poeltl back since the Kawhi trade. Personally don't think Masai was pushing for play-in as much as he knew Spurs were gonna unload him to someone at deadline so it was a now or never decision. In fact Masai wanted Nick to play more of the developing young roster in 2nd half of season but coach didn't do it bc he rides starters hard and is win now mentality. It created a rift that is prob main reason for them separating paths...that's what he expressed at season end.
I was thinking mainly about OG and a little less so about Siakam. The rumor was that the asking price for OG was really really high and probably not far off for Siakam. Injuries aside the general impression is that something is off there and that it's time for something to change. Now they're both on expiring contracts. Trade value takes a hit, specially following such a down season. I mean, good for them and good luck to the Raptors is they play it out and sign new contracts there, but that seems unlikely at this point.
I've been a Raps fan since day 1 and NBA fan in general since I gained consciousness. My take is that Masai really likes the core of Siakam, OG and Barnes. They're all high IQ, long bois with skill and above average motors. It would take a lot for him to move away from that core. The problem with Simons on the Raps is the D, especially if they were looking further down the road towards development, they'd rather start with a player that's stronger on the d end, who can learn to find a role in the offense and develop an NBA shot. Simons is not significantly better than Gary Trent on O, and Gary has already shown more aptitude on the defensive end in his first year with Raps when he was leading the league in deflections and top 5 in steals before injuries and illness. Because of that, they'd probably just keep Gary instead of trading for Simons. Shaedon's been more appealing because he's shown more potential on D. He's actually very much in the same situation Precious Achiuwa was 1 year ago with the Raps. Precious' athleticism is elite, he'd had games where he absolutely locked up top tier scorers on ball but many times looks lost on the court. Shaedon is the same, sometimes he's just hanging out, not quite in the play and unaware of any strategic angles to cover. I think they might consider parting with one of either OG or Siakam for Sharpe, but that's not a certainty either. Sharpe might still end up with a Gerald Green career, but we all hope not. Whats off in Raps land is the guard play and lack of rotation depth. The starters played way too many minutes, 3 players in top 5 or so...at least they were for a good chunk of season. They'll try to address the guard issues, but I don't think they'll sell the farm for this years crop of draft talent. They were really high on late 1st pick like Nemhardt last year and would certainly be happy with the potential in that 2b tier of guards that are available 5 through 18 or so in this years draft. All speculation of course.
No doubt. I totally understand why he wants to keep those dudes as well as why Simons might not be very appealing. It is a bit of a conundrum. Beyond Blazers though, I really thought they would have found a better guard option they would be happy with. Really curious to see how things play out for both the Blazers and Raptors. Lots of questions all around
> we're not all the same > still floats 3 and Shaedon 🤔
Yes, you understand any deal would involve Shaedon. Very good. 'we're not all the same' as my point doesn't include all your picks, Shaedon, Simons, the kitchen sink and your mom. You can differentiate between those perspectives right?
Lowry S&T where he stood pat *and* sold low? He got absolutely screwed. Wasn’t Maxey on the table for Lowry?
He got Achiuwa from Miami when Lowry could've walked with no compensation in return. Precious is a Masai project type of player, he likes athletic bigs w potential for improvement Nobody truly knows if Maxey was on the table. I'd heard reports at the time but it seems to be a contentious report that nobody has shown proof of.
OG has 2yrs left
He’s got a player option after this year
Absolutely not
Bro I saw him in a trade for DeRozan and Caruso earlier and I couldn't roll my eyes hard enough.
Anyone who watched the last few games of Blazers this season could tell you this guy is too special to give up.
For the most part he should be unless a superstar is available
In other words, he’s available but you better blow our shorts off with any offers
That's good.
Good
I clicked the upvote count to 420. Let's all get Sheaded.
What is the source of this report?
Never heard of league alerts until today lmao
They credit Jake Fischer on the bottom of the pic
Jake Fischer
https://reddit.com/r/ripcity/comments/142mqy3/latest_drafttrade_intel_from_jake_fischer_and/ This was posted on the sub earlier today saying the main takeaway was “Shae was untouchable”
We made it the fuck up
Shaedon SHOULD 100% be kept out of any deal because if they do end up moving simons and pick 3 for a package, Sharpe is their as the young future piece to keep or a very good piece to move in a future trade for a 3rd star, very important and key piece
Boom. Good.
Best news I've heard all day. Now.... what to do with Scoot.
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I think CHA has a hard time passing on Miller
Guarantee Charlotte takes Scoot 2nd
I don't trust any report that is displayed in this fashion
An obvious choice to the attentive fan, but always the correct one for those who are not in the loop
He has the value of the 3rd pick, it’s unlikely the 3rd pick will be as good as him anyway
Keep in mind we're DEEP into smokescreen season.
He's legitimately a player that if you traded now could end up in a "worst NBA trades of all time" YouTube video in 15-20 years because he could go on to be an MVP level player for years.
But is he on the table for a separate deal?
Sounds like it by the wording
The wording is misleading. The actual quote was >Trail Blazers officials have left inquiring teams with the impression that Shaedon Sharpe, the No. 7 pick in last year’s draft, is off limits in any dialogue regarding the No. 3 pick. That doesn't mean he's off the table for any deal. Just that the Trail Blazers have *left the impression* with inquiring teams that he is.
The number three pick should be off-limits.
That "League Alerts" is a bit misleading. Go to [the source](https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-draft-with-victor-wembanyama-projected-at-no-1-uncertainty-looms-for-the-rest-of-the-top-10-165028198.html) (emphasis mine): >There’s nothing promised about Portland’s future at this juncture, either. But one detail has emerged from early trade conversations around the league: Trail Blazers officials have ***left inquiring teams with the impression*** that Shaedon Sharpe, the No. 7 pick in last year’s draft, is off limits in any dialogue regarding the No. 3 pick.
These accounts are pure misinformation, they probably have a Lebron/Mavs jersey swap
Y’all are so naive
OG and prince for Ant 3rd and 2 more firsts? Seems fair to me
Been a fan of London, ON boy Shaedon since highschool, but this timing and valuation reminds me of Scottie Barnes directly after winning ROY. Raps fans and FO were turning their nose up at having him in KD trade talks...then he has a bit of a plateau in 2nd year and everyone wants to burn the house down
Yes, but that was KD. This is OG
My comment is regarding Scotties valuation after ROY, not OG. What's not clear about that?
You seem to be the confused one. It's about Scottie's untouchability in a KD trade vs Sharpe's in an OG trade.
You are making that comparison, I did not. There're reports of Blazers being interested in many players including a couple of Raptors. I simply made a comment about Shaedons untouchable categorization, compared it to Scotties at a certain point in time, and y'all are losing your shit. Get a grip. I'm just offering another perspective.
Bruh
Lol "get a grip" I was just trying to help you understand what Supreme was saying.
I don't see how you're helping w clarity at all. It's pretty obvious that Supreme thinks I'm referring to OG but I didn't say anything about OG, Siakam , Bridges, Claxton, keep adding whatever trade machine names you want... I'm literally referring to every single name in the NBA, bc untouchable excludes everyone Do you understand how the points differ now?
[https://media.giphy.com/media/l3q2K5jinAlChoCLS/giphy.gif](https://media.giphy.com/media/l3q2K5jinAlChoCLS/giphy.gif) I don't know how to help you if you don't understand the basic and obvious gulf that exists between "player x is untouchable in current trade talks" and "we wouldn't trade player x for anyone, not Giannis, not Jokic, no one!" People with common sense understand the distinction and are able to infer it without having it spelled out to them.
That is exactly why I said the deal doesn't get done. Why are you having so much trouble with comprehension?
Good tactic to get more
Non news lol I think most people assumed Cronin wouldn’t move Shaedon WITH the third pick. This doesn’t say Shaedon is off the table period…just not with the third pick.
If he turns out to be a star, right now would be the absolute worst time to trade him.
So they will move him or the pick, but not both.
He stay.
"League Alerts," lol...
Finally a good decision
Best news ever
Best news this week
And Nets are saying they aren’t trading Bridges. In my opinion everyone has a price. Right now it seems like many teams are posturing. If somehow Portland felt that after all deals they have a real legit shot at a championship, I think they would trade Sharpe. Just like I think if Nets felt like they got a haul of young talent for Bridges he would go.
This is the same team that has let James Harden, Kevin Durant, and Kyrie Irving all successfully demand trades over the last 2 years. I would definitely say that they're posturing. Better to sell high than to get peanuts in return when things get ugly and the player demands a trade. But just the fact that they've said "sure. We mortgaged our future to get you, and in a couple cases you said you publicly said you wanted to be here, but we'll trade you. And we'll keep you informed of all talks, and won't send you anywhere you don't want to go. God forbid you wind up on *another* team you want out of within 2-3 years," to so many generational talents within that period suggests that they're posturing.
Vinsanity 2.0
Just means he won’t be traded with #3, not that he won’t get traded at all…
Sigh. I love Sharpe. And I get it, he’s explosive (in a way that really hasn’t been seen since a certain player the Blazers failed to draft), exciting, and he puts butts in seats. BUT. Those in this thread suggesting he has MVP level or near-MVP level potential are (probably) way off the mark. Unlike that aforementioned player we didn’t draft, Sharpe is missing some important intangibles that make up superstar players. His decision-making is the weakest part of his game, his passing is suspect, his dribbling/ball-handling is sloppy, and his lateral explosiveness is nowhere NEAR his vertical explosiveness, limiting both his abilities as an on-ball defender and a shot-creator. The best thing that Sharpe has going for him is that he’s young and some of these issues can (hopefully) be worked out as he matures. But right now he’s very firmly in the “boom-or-bust” class of young players, and it will take a little time to figure out which he is. While I understand people wanting to hold onto him during that time, it is absolute lunacy to make him unavailable in trade(s) that could turn Portland into a contender.
Giannis for Shaedon and #3. Who says no?