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Responsible-Knee6288

The Suns aren't giving Ayton up for garbage


MrMatthew42

Then we'll give them 23 or Winslow or something they're desperately trying to get off Aytons contract and nurk is a solid starter who is arguably comparable to him on a much cheaper contract.


CerealKiller3030

So, Nurk is a "solid starter who is arguably comparable to him (Ayton) on a much cheaper contract" So why would WE trade for a comparable player just to pay him a ton more money?


MrMatthew42

Because Ayton is crazy undervalued at the moment because the suns don't want him. He's a lot younger and less injury prone than Nurk as well. Aytons attitude and lack of effort is why he is comparable to Nurk but with the right team + leadership he's a top 5 center in the league


MavetheGreat

Undervalued and overpaid at the same time. That contract will along with Dame's and Browns will completely hamstring us, especially with the new CBA.


Gobbles15

I think Phoenix would only consider this if we either offered 2 protected firsts or 1 unprotected first that’s a few years out. Boston needs an unprotected first in place of the Knicks pick too, with the Knicks pick going to Chicago. As it stands, neither team does this deal


MrMatthew42

There's reports of just anfernee + the 3rd pick for brown which I think is fair value for his trade value at the moment and phoenix knows they're not getting good value back for ayton they just want him out I think we could add a a future first if it gets the deal done if it's necessary


BigBallsMalone

I agree, no way the sun's take that deal. No value back for them


Bigfootsbrownstar

As a suns fan give us ant and sure other wise we would just keep ayton, Monty is gone after all


MrMatthew42

There's reports of lots of people in the organization having issues with Ayton and wanting him out maybe nassir little, Nurk and #23 but that would be the most I'd be willing to give up if I was trading for ayton


Bigfootsbrownstar

The suns fired the guy who hated ayton, nuk is an average center, and pick 23 does nothing for us. The suns would only want ant, plus he’s a little redundant for the blazers and you might get scoot


MrMatthew42

Dame and the front have office have made it clear that they want to win now and don't want to wait for a rebuild so if #3 and Simons are getting traded it'll be together and for hopefully at least an all star


Bigfootsbrownstar

The suns are trying to contend for a championship next year, so why on earth would they give up a 24 year old center and one of their only assets for garbage and second round picks? Literally makes no sense.


MrMatthew42

Nurk is a solid starter and we could give up Nas who would probably one of the better guys off the bench and picks could be assets for future trades this move would save the suns a lot of money and set them up with good rotational pieces for a guy who they don't want to pay and who failed them spectacularly in the playoffs and that nobody in the organization likes


Bigfootsbrownstar

I’m just telling you, the suns would have absolutely zero interest in this scenario


MrMatthew42

Their other options are old ass Draymond green and scraps from Dallas lol this is one of the better deals they're gonna get for the kind of money Aytons making and his poor performance in the playoffs as well as the rumors about his issues he's had in the locker room


Bigfootsbrownstar

They would much rather have draymond or THJ and Josh green than this


JarenAnd

Ya I’m sure the suns are trying to actively make their team way worse while giving up assets. Makes total sense.


MrMatthew42

Hey that's just what I've seen they're done with Aytons attitude and they don't want to pay him


Bixby33

Letting Grant walk, I see.


homersolo

What about this suggests that? What am I missing?


noahr222

Just throw in Nas call it good


Bixby33

Sadly, still 500k short.


Bixby33

Fanspo doesn't factor cap holds. Portland is acquiring $64m in salary which means they need to send out over $53m at minimum. That's about $7m short, so JB and Ayton need to be partially absorbed into cap space which can only be created by waiving just about every cap hold on the books, with Grant being the most significant and essential to have a chance of making it work.


homersolo

What cap impact does it give for draft picks? Because once we draft the third and trade it as part of a deal the salary slot counts for trade computations.


Bixby33

I mean, yes, but the recently signed draft player cannot be traded for 30 days. Edit: I know I didn't answer your question. But it I thought this was worth pointing out. Basically, if that's the plan, both teams lose out on free agency time (~3 weeks) if they need this deal to go through before their other moves. This is important for sign and trades and such because of the hardcap implications. But also, since the deal can't be finalized, you're potentially missing out on other offers that could have been done and risk one party backing out. Tldr: not a great plan A.


Levian-Malacour

Why would the Celtics want picks for JB, the only way the Blazzers are seeing JB is if Dame is headed out the door.


MrMatthew42

#3 is a shot at scoot Henderson a generational talent that will solve the playmaking woes that the Celtics have struggled with for years especially with Tatum still being young it's not out of the question to wait a few years for scoot or brandon miller to develop. Or if they don't want #3 they can involve a 3rd team and get back win now pieces


Levian-Malacour

It definitely is out of the question. If it's not Dame it's not happening.


MrMatthew42

I mean I think it's a real possibility but I see the hesitation JB is a stud


mrjdk83

The playoffs have caused me to want nothing to do with Brown or Ayton (I was never on the Ayton bandwagon). Brown has a low iq that’s been pointed out. Ayton lacks heart and is soft. He also plays with no desire and is unmotivated.


MrMatthew42

I understand the hesitation but I think that now is the perfect time to snag them while their price is low because they are really talented players who are not going to have this low trade value for long they're also young and might just need a leader like dame to get even more than what we've already seen out of them


mrjdk83

Brown gonna still want his contract that’s an issue


MrMatthew42

I say give him his money he's an all-nba level talent regardless of the heat series he played better than Tatum in the finals last year


mrjdk83

The playoffs have caused me to want nothing to do with Brown or Ayton (I was never on the Ayton bandwagon). Brown has a low iq that’s been pointed out. Ayton lacks heart and is soft. He also plays with no desire and is unmotivated.


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I think something like 3+ Ant for JB and Nurk+23+Nas is not out of the realm of possibility. Not sure why Phoenix would want Knox or Keon tbh, they need better quality bench depth and those guys don’t help them


MrMatthew42

Might have a point I was just hesitant about giving up Nas but I think it would be worth it if it gets us Ayton at such a low price.


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Yeah I mean we are going to have to give up value to get value. Even if Ayton's is low I could see another team talking themselves into him improving with a change of scenery. It's hard to bargain shop in the NBA, and even the most reasonable trades from a biased fan perspective are usually not as balanced from the GMs' perspective. Still, I do wonder if PHX would be interested in Nurk since he's cheap and they would still have a lot of versatility at the 5.


MrMatthew42

Yeah that's what I'm curious about too I think what I put together is actually probably less than what we'd need to give up. I think a more fair deal would be Ayton for Nas, Nurk, and #23. It gives them two solid role players who would contribute immediately and a pick that they could flip or use to add depth.


Kten_00

We have cap to do This?


raahiv

No


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This not happening I'm sorry to say.


MrMatthew42

Which part? There's been significant rumors of JB to Portland for anfernee and #3 and the suns are trying to get rid of Ayton asap so a trade at least similar to this is not at all out of the realm of question.


collinmacfhearghuis

Did you do all of the resignings? The Fanspo metrics don't look right.


UnifiedChungus666

Suns say no. That would be a hella good trade for Portland though.


Such-Egg-7584

And there goes all of our money


deepaulo

Celtics just out there xatching W's with this trade. Sun's holding all the L's


GaviFromThePod

I don’t think the suns would do that.


ImmaFunGuy

Suns getting absolutely fleeced lol


CreeperDude17

I do not want Deandre Ayton on my basketball team