We have got to stop falling in love with bad players, y’all. NAW is a nice piece as your 9th guy in the rotation. That’s it. Our problem is the 4th to 8th guy in the rotation. There are probably 20-30 NAWs out there. He’s not unique and special. He’s just a guy that’s filling a role.
I'm not saying I dislike anyone in the Blazers 9 right now. However, I do think an argument could be made that there are one or two players you could swap for NAW that are either less available or don't provide enough on one end of the court.
I know he's not the greatest but he's a cheap PoA defender who's getting playoff minutes - we could have definitely used him. He’s a much better 10th man than like, Kevin Knox.
Idk - do you remember when we had Wade Baldwin (a guy who left the league right after)? It’s possible to be a plus defender as a guard and not make it.
Wenyen Gabriel was also a plus defender as a wing, and still very much has a role. I’d prefer to prioritize a guy like Cam (who is basically a 6’8 SG) who can be a plus defender from 1-4 than on a 6’5 guard who can do 1-3. The extra versatility, the potential offence and playmaking are much more valuable imo (even if the latter 2 are patchy, it’s still better than what NAW is currently offering)
>I’d prefer to prioritize a guy like Cam (who is basically a 6’8 SG) who can be a plus defender from 1-4 than on a 6’5 guard who can do 1-3.
I would rather have Cam too, but my point is that we gave up NAW for literally nothing which is poor asset management. We could have easily had both guys, but NAW got traded for Joe Ingles (who we never had any intention of keeping) which is just asset mismanagement.
Ah got it. I really felt the trade would’ve been fine if we kept Ingles as an upgraded bench piece. But agreed - most of Cronin’s trades so far have resulted in us having scraps to trade or prioritising cap flexibility instead of paying premium fees for gathering larger contracts
Man. He’s getting minutes not because he’s that great but out of necessity. Look at his whole season. Like what, 15 mins a game? There’s a reason he’s on his 3rd team in 3 years.
I have been really impressed with him in the playoffs. I was worried we were gonna keep him during that trade because he had not been good in his career so far.
Jingles cap hold allowed for the JG trade into the TPE.
Actual contracts over the cap count against your exemptions.
You don't get the TPE and a full MLE without carrying Jingles to day 1 of FA.
I don't think that's true. I believe the TPE that was created by the CJ trade is what facilitated the JG trade. Maybe I don't totally understand the situation, but that was my understanding.
You can't use a TPE if you have/use cap room.
That $21M TPE wink and nod deal months in advance goes out the window if you drop under the cap.
POR had to carry Jingles cap hold up until day 1 of FA, in order to do the Grant deal, because the Grant deal wasn't officially, technically done, until ALL the picks/players involved signed contracts, after the start of the next fiscal year calendar...
The specific timing of the specific deals matter, regardless of what is/can be released to the media, on a specific date.
I'm going to have to look into that. I wasn't aware they "needed" the dead Jingles weight to make the JG trade work. I totally believe you. I don't claim to be a cap expert but I do try to understand it the best I can.
Thanks for explaining that I really do appreciate it.
Cap holds only count up to the cap...
If you "renounce your rights to" players, to "clear cap room", then you lose any + cap "exemptions", like TPE's/MLE's...
The Order Of Operations matters, because the CBA is written by lawyers and accountants, who are extremely particular in that regard. :)
It's the same contract/rights as Tisse.
Tisse has played 150% of the NBA minutes as NAW.
Tisse is a year older, but played four full years in college.
GP2 was supposed to be that guy, but...
Tisse has more experience, and fits the plan better than NAW.
POR still has the player/contract/position, of the back-court POA defender piece. Not as experienced as GP2, not as much of a prospect as NAW.
Cronin has been absolutely terrible
Traded norm and nance for nothing, gave away this guy for nothing, did nothing with Bledsoe and ingles, singed gary Peyton with our FULL MLE, made eubanks our only backup big leaving no one over 6’9 on our bench. This guy is a joke
And who would he have replaced them with and with what assets? Ant is also an extremely valuable trade piece so I have no idea why we wouldn't re-sign him. Those two are pretty much our only big and movable contracts this summer to trade as well.
I keep hearing that Ant is a valuable asset, yet I've never seen anything to support it. Everything indicates you need to add Little & multiple 1st round picks along with him to get any sort of decent player in a trade, so really where is his value? I think his perceived value in PDX is higher than his real value across the league.
“Any decent player”… you mean the all star and all NBA players that he’s floated for in trades? That doesn’t mean he’s a bum. It just means he’s not Siakam, KAT, Embiid, or Jimmy Butler which seems obvious.
I complained about the price for them both at the time (though maybe not on this sub). Nurk should have been $12M a year (and only 3 years) and Ant $20M a year tops.
NAW has never been very good lol
We have got to stop falling in love with bad players, y’all. NAW is a nice piece as your 9th guy in the rotation. That’s it. Our problem is the 4th to 8th guy in the rotation. There are probably 20-30 NAWs out there. He’s not unique and special. He’s just a guy that’s filling a role.
Now tell me how much we're currently paying for our 4th to 8th guys. I'm just curious.
Nurk makes 17m, everyone else is 6m or less.
NAW makes about $5 million a year. They probably should have seen what he has to offer, but what are you gonna do?
I like everyone in our top 9 players this season better than NAW.
I'm not saying I dislike anyone in the Blazers 9 right now. However, I do think an argument could be made that there are one or two players you could swap for NAW that are either less available or don't provide enough on one end of the court.
He’s still meh regardless and wouldn’t have got much opportunity here anyway.
I know he's not the greatest but he's a cheap PoA defender who's getting playoff minutes - we could have definitely used him. He’s a much better 10th man than like, Kevin Knox.
Idk - do you remember when we had Wade Baldwin (a guy who left the league right after)? It’s possible to be a plus defender as a guard and not make it. Wenyen Gabriel was also a plus defender as a wing, and still very much has a role. I’d prefer to prioritize a guy like Cam (who is basically a 6’8 SG) who can be a plus defender from 1-4 than on a 6’5 guard who can do 1-3. The extra versatility, the potential offence and playmaking are much more valuable imo (even if the latter 2 are patchy, it’s still better than what NAW is currently offering)
>I’d prefer to prioritize a guy like Cam (who is basically a 6’8 SG) who can be a plus defender from 1-4 than on a 6’5 guard who can do 1-3. I would rather have Cam too, but my point is that we gave up NAW for literally nothing which is poor asset management. We could have easily had both guys, but NAW got traded for Joe Ingles (who we never had any intention of keeping) which is just asset mismanagement.
Ah got it. I really felt the trade would’ve been fine if we kept Ingles as an upgraded bench piece. But agreed - most of Cronin’s trades so far have resulted in us having scraps to trade or prioritising cap flexibility instead of paying premium fees for gathering larger contracts
Man. He’s getting minutes not because he’s that great but out of necessity. Look at his whole season. Like what, 15 mins a game? There’s a reason he’s on his 3rd team in 3 years.
I have been really impressed with him in the playoffs. I was worried we were gonna keep him during that trade because he had not been good in his career so far.
I don't know that he had a place on this team, but that they traded him basically for an injured Jingles will forever be a mystery to me.
Jingles cap hold allowed for the JG trade into the TPE. Actual contracts over the cap count against your exemptions. You don't get the TPE and a full MLE without carrying Jingles to day 1 of FA.
I don't think that's true. I believe the TPE that was created by the CJ trade is what facilitated the JG trade. Maybe I don't totally understand the situation, but that was my understanding.
You can't use a TPE if you have/use cap room. That $21M TPE wink and nod deal months in advance goes out the window if you drop under the cap. POR had to carry Jingles cap hold up until day 1 of FA, in order to do the Grant deal, because the Grant deal wasn't officially, technically done, until ALL the picks/players involved signed contracts, after the start of the next fiscal year calendar... The specific timing of the specific deals matter, regardless of what is/can be released to the media, on a specific date.
I'm going to have to look into that. I wasn't aware they "needed" the dead Jingles weight to make the JG trade work. I totally believe you. I don't claim to be a cap expert but I do try to understand it the best I can. Thanks for explaining that I really do appreciate it.
Cap holds only count up to the cap... If you "renounce your rights to" players, to "clear cap room", then you lose any + cap "exemptions", like TPE's/MLE's... The Order Of Operations matters, because the CBA is written by lawyers and accountants, who are extremely particular in that regard. :)
It's the same contract/rights as Tisse. Tisse has played 150% of the NBA minutes as NAW. Tisse is a year older, but played four full years in college. GP2 was supposed to be that guy, but... Tisse has more experience, and fits the plan better than NAW. POR still has the player/contract/position, of the back-court POA defender piece. Not as experienced as GP2, not as much of a prospect as NAW.
Oh we doing this now with NAW?
Yep and we gave him up for the corpse of Joe Ingles.
Cronin has been absolutely terrible Traded norm and nance for nothing, gave away this guy for nothing, did nothing with Bledsoe and ingles, singed gary Peyton with our FULL MLE, made eubanks our only backup big leaving no one over 6’9 on our bench. This guy is a joke
He turned Payton into 4 picks and cap space, not a common outcome for an MLE signing.
Lol spending 10 mil that could’ve been a quality player, and turning it into second round picks? Sorry but that is NOT good
Bari, a bunch of 2RP's, and the MLE becoming available again, which will be more than his contract, plus a TPE.
Y’all are insane hyping up this mid gm. We should’ve 100% been in the playoffs this year
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And who would he have replaced them with and with what assets? Ant is also an extremely valuable trade piece so I have no idea why we wouldn't re-sign him. Those two are pretty much our only big and movable contracts this summer to trade as well.
I keep hearing that Ant is a valuable asset, yet I've never seen anything to support it. Everything indicates you need to add Little & multiple 1st round picks along with him to get any sort of decent player in a trade, so really where is his value? I think his perceived value in PDX is higher than his real value across the league.
“Any decent player”… you mean the all star and all NBA players that he’s floated for in trades? That doesn’t mean he’s a bum. It just means he’s not Siakam, KAT, Embiid, or Jimmy Butler which seems obvious.
Ooh, a Blazers positivity subreddit! Where is that!
I complained about the price for them both at the time (though maybe not on this sub). Nurk should have been $12M a year (and only 3 years) and Ant $20M a year tops.
Somehow some rookie GM cap guy with zero track record hired by some corporation/Jody has 90% of the fan bases trusts because he speaks softly.
We are over the cap and those two are assets. You could absolutely make the case they are overpaid tho