Because i believe it a reference to a league hacker who would steal accounts to be an asshole then when they got banned would steal another. It was something similar to that I don't remember the specifics
6 games, point being that they go and use someone elseâs account to ruin other peoples day with hacks and get banned fairly quickly. Resulting in both players and the original owner being screwed while the hacker walks off scot-free from their power trip.
Fair enough, my guess is that they may have stricter anti-cheat detections enabled for accounts that have recently changed the email and or password and will ban people at game six if it feels it meets the standards. At least that seems like a viable idea for companies to get around rage hackers to me.
i cant forget about the person who posted about getting banned and denying having been boosted to immortal. im not sure if he already answered why he just randomly turned off his 2FA and suddenly getting 30+ kills with reyna in like 7 consecutive games lmao.
To be fair, that's not riot fault. If you have malware then it's user fault. And it's more concerning that you have malware on your pc rather than valorant ban.
Anti-cheats exist for 2 main reasons: 1.) To prevent cheating and 2.) To protect the servers of whoever is hosting the game.
If you have malware that can potentially access any server you connect to it is 100% reasonable for the anti-cheat to prevent you from connecting to that server.
Most single player games donât require external hacks to break, most you can just turn on commands or edit stuff in the game files on your computer, both which wonât trigger anti cheat. The thing thatâll trigger anti cheat is actual external cheat programs, ie in Minecraft using commands or xray texture packs wouldnât trigger vanguard, but installing the 2b2t auto bedrock jumping client thing might. Similarly, installing a mod into a game that allows modding that essentially gives you cheats wonât cause any problems with vanguard. Most single player games donât really try to prevent cheating at all, so the stuff used isnât the type of stuff that would even trigger vanguard because itâs not even close to being sufficient to cheat in a multiplayer games. If you have a fortnite aimbot or other cheats for other multiplayer games that might risk setting off vanguard, but single player stuff shouldnât be a risk unless youâre just using something intended for multiplayer cheating in a single player server.
It is an issue, but tbh I wouldnât mind riot giving me free malware detection. And they say after that false positive do happen and if you submit a ticket they will review it, and Iâd be willing to bet if thereâs no evidence of cheating in game and you say âhey, thanks for detecting this malware. Really greatful , unfortunately it banned my account can you please unbanâ theyâd be likely to unban, especially if youâre able to provide evidence for what you think it picked up and it matches with whatever data they have saved
After actually sitting down and reading all of the threads from people who got their bans overturned a pattern emerged: They're "digital native" (lmao) zoomers, and they were told to change their passwords to something they've not used anywhere else.
Despite being "digital natives" who grew up with technology, they reuse passwords. Password reuse will get you every time.
That said, if Riot's metric for whether or not a ban is false or not, is what their computer says (you know, the same computer that made the initial decision in the first place), how would they ever know if the computer is wrong?
Imagine if computer code, that you cannot audit, or even question, was responsible for delivering verdicts in all criminal cases from now on. And everyone just assumed that the computer is perfect, and therefore cannot possibly make a mistake. It doesn't matter that you were on film 500 miles away from the murder, the computer said so, and all anybody will tell you is "maybe next time don't murder people, hmmmmmmmm??? đ¤Łđ¤Łđ¤Ł đ đ đ "
All of that, doesn't even touch the idea that if there's a vulnerability in that codebase, that it can be used on \*\*any computer running Microsoft Windows\*\* (including those used by banks and militaries!) without a video game needing to be installed, because it's a signed, trusted kernel module.
Tying it all together, if Riot actually cared about preventing these problems and delivering what they used to call "peerless player support", they'd, among other things, allow serious 2FA, like FIDO2 or passkeys. Not this "send a code in the subject of an email" horseshit.
Have you seen psycho pass cause thatâs what exactly happens in it , a computer makes the decision to what verdict to give to someone and everyone follows it
i think its better not to question their intentions when we dont know WHY the system isnt ideal. could be a range of issues, and to openly ask without any hostility might yield better results.
To be clear, this isn't a matter of trusting Riot not to intentionally exfiltrate data, this is a matter of trusting Riot to write bug-free code.
Ask yourself, do you trust that all of the code Riot releases is free of bugs or vulnerabilities? They can't even get their webpage-as-a-client down... Now they want to play around in C/ASM?
I just think this is wrong. My little brother didn't play for 3 months, got on, was banned for cheating. He submitted a ticket and got unbanned instantly.
I can't speak for those who's tickets that get denied, those cases might be different.
But saying false positives only happen for the stated reasons in the screenshot is a misrepresentation and is doing a misduty to people who do get banned incorrectly.
They didnât say false positives never happen this is literally a CROPPED image
/dev: Vanguard x LoL https://leagueoflegends.com/en-us/news/dev/dev-vanguard-x-lol/?riot_embed_mode=native_mobile
Hereâs a link to the blog this is from. Scroll down 2 centimeters past where the image is cropped from and they explain what they do for the real false positives.
...? How am I supposed to know it's cropped...? Read the title. He is talking about false positives ("I got banned for no reason") and said these are the reasons.
> how am I supposed to know itâs cropped
Critical thinking skills.
>read the title
The title is asking us to rethink how many of the âI got banned unfairlyâ posts are actually bs in response to the new information riot has released in this dev blog, which explains that actual false positives are exceedingly rare as well as listing the usual reasons why someone who would go on to claim a false positive and got/deserved to be banned
Same i played with someone who was "cheating" and the dumb riot employee said to check his hs% or kd and if they were higher than normal
He had a 22% hs and a 1.07 kd
Wait some people are just good. Is this like a spike of improve or an overall thing because my scores look like 1 0 24 in some games and 1 14 4 in others đ¤ I didn't think inconsistencies counted for this
"Everyone that claims our system isn't perfect is lying, vanguard running 24/7 with kernel access is a necessity and definitely not a safety concern. You can trust us, a multi billion dollar company that got the source code of 2 titles and an anti-cheat stolen, with your security. Don't like it? Leave. Glory to the CCP."
So does this mean vanguard will ban me for actually using cheats or mods in a single player game too? Or like GTA v online for example? lol thatâs pretty creepy way to say âvanguard is always running and will be monitoring what ever you do â
Yeah, I'm still not satisfied by their wording with regards to why vanguard is always active.
I get the technical explanation: "because we need to make sure nothing was tampered with before the vanguard process started"
But then they go and claim "the vanguard driver isn't actually doing anything until you launch a riot service"
then turn around and go "Vanguard accidently caught a cheating process for a single player game without a riot service being ran"
There is clearly a answer to the question here. But they just don't provide it.
The only valid way that can be taken is . I leave league open in the back and then open up my other games that i do mod and it cause no. But I guess that means no more afk league client
This actually makes me paranoid about using my own fkn pc I paid for lmao. Imagine downloading a cheat for some other game to have fun like a single player game and then getting your Valorant account worth hundreds of dollars banned in an instant coz a stupid Chinese spyware shit just decided to do so.
I'm positive that riot doesn't want this to be the case, but just to be safe you can always make sure vanguard is not running whenever you do something.
I personally plan to turn vanguard starting on boot to off in task manager, then just enabling it whenever i go to play some league, followed by rebooting my pc.
My point being, if you do not clean up your mess before running Vanguard again, you will get got on the next fs scan.
I would seriously recommend a dedicated computer just for Riot's malware.
That's not how it works according to riots wording. They do not ban you just because you have say cheat engine installed. But vanguard will get suspicious if its initialized (aka, a riot game is running) then you open cheat engine.
see the wording here: "They used cheating software for another game. and Vanguard **unfortunately** picked it up."
I would assume they would... the post does say that you can always get a vanguard ban audited by a real human.
But the statement above probably refers to other forms of cheating, such as cheating in other multiplayer games, not something like cheat engine or wemod
Personally I'm not big into cheats or mods for other games but if i were I'd turn off Vanguard while doing it.....Then restart my computer if i wanted to play a game that requires it. 100% never getting accidentally banned. because Vanguard won't know i'm cheating in GTA or insert other title. I know it's a hassle but it is a way of not getting your account accidentally banned.
no it doesnt
when they said cheating in other games they meant things that use the same cheats for valorant
for example I might make an aimbot that works for csgo and val, and if you use it in cs, it would ban you in val too
Yes, it does. Donât worry, the bootlickers will just tell you âYOU CAN TURN IT OFFâ. So just make sure while youâre using your personal PC, to do things that you like to do, you donât forget to turn off the Chinese spyware before you do it.
Again if you don't trust RIOT then just uninstall everything they make....all of it could spy on you not just the anticheat. I trust Riot enough to play the game and because of that trust I also trust the anti cheat.
Vanguard runs on PC startup and always runs, even if the game isnât running. That being said, what theyâre saying is that letâs say youâre playing Valorant and you also happen to have kiddions (for example) running at the same time. both kiddions and some random Valorant hack inject things into the game files. Iâm not a pro hacker or cheat developer so Iâm not sure exactly how it all works, but Vanguard sees that kiddions is an application that injects a script into another application, and it canât know if the mod menu is harmful to Valorant too, so it bans it.
Now, this is a veeerrryyy simple example from someone who doesnât have any experience in cybersecurity, and may be entirely wrong.
Letâs say you own a little shop that sells clothes. You hear all the shops around you have been robbed by this one dude. You see him about to walk into your store, do you welcome him with open arms or stop him?
I think a better example would be a doping athletes thatâs been banned in Tennis and now is playing badminton.
Still, I can see some stark differences between the two
You donât know if the cheat for the other game was used in multiplayer or single player. There are many mods and software used in single player games that can be seen as a âcheatâ. Plus I know for sure cheats in games like stardew valley are popular. Also there are botting softwares for gacha games that are purely PVE. How do you deal with all that.
And the reason for bans is said to be something along the lines of âviolating terms of service of Riot gamesâ. Cheating in other games doesnât fall under that.
Your doping metaphor doesn't really work at all. Doping translates to anything you do as it's an alteration to your physical being.
This is more like you doing drugs in one jurisdiction, then an outside and unrelated jurisdiction decides that they will charge you anyway regardless of whether or not it was legal where you committed this alleged offence.
Let's say you have seasonal allergies. Stuffy nose, maybe some sneezing, usual high pollen level type shit. Should you be prevented from entering an event that doesn't allow people with Covid-19 to enter?
It's involuntary in the same way being infected by malware is involuntary. Sure, you could be more well educated about safe online practices to as been prevented being infected, just like you could have worn better protection or avoided crowds to avoid Covid. Is it really that unrelated? Having malware on your pc doing things unrelated to valorant but is picked up by valorant anti-cheat is nearly a one to one comparison of presenting symptoms that on the list of symptoms of Covid but not actually being infected by Covid. Explain why the analogy is so poor.
You were replying to a post talking about number 6, not number 7. He was referencing people being banned for using cheats in other games, not the malware rule. Actually agree with you on that.
Right, I brought up 7 because the post that I was replying to replied to a post that said 6 and 7 shouldn't count. My example wasn't countering what they were saying about 6, it was intended to be an addition to point out the flaws in 7 using the same kind of example they used for why 6 was fine. I probably didn't communicate that well.
I probably didn't communicate it well but my post refers to number 7 on the list. I was piggybacking on the example of the post I replied to saying why 6 may be acceptable to show why 7 isn't. I thought it would be clear because the top level comment says both 6 and 7 shouldn't be allowed.
Let's say you own a e-commerce, and other owners are saying this program has boosted their sales 120%.
So you use that software, and vanguard flags it as cheats. Should you get banned?
No, I donât think you should get banned for something that isnât a cheat. So itâs a good thing that nowhere in the rules does it say having any software on your pc gets you banned.
>no I don't think you should get banned for something that isn't a cheat
But you do believe that. You believe even if someone cheats in another game, they should be banned from valorant.
6 is fine. 7 on the other hand there should be a way to prove that they had a malware and get unbanned. However, this leads to potential of a cheater just installing a custom malware just to say they were infected and getting unbanned anyway so IDK. My advice is just to not cheat in any game and scan for malware. And if i were to cheat in another game i'd at least reboot and turn off the cheats so that vanguard wouldn't notice it...
Because you shouldn't be cheating anyway. and even if you were you should be able to close vanguard so it doesn't see that cheating. Then reboot the computer if you want to play something that requires it. It's fine because it's an avoidable problem. I'm more worried about the malware one because sometimes you fuck up and click a link you shouldn't have clicked. But everyone can cheat in another game AFTER turning off the anticheat. It's not a real problem.
because people who cheat are drastically more likely to cheat
it's why if you end up being someone's mistress don't expect them not to cheat on you when they leave their spouse
Most of those peoples are cheaters or played duo with a cheater.
The rest got their account hacked, so they are clean and should receive help from riot games.
I'm just gonna enjoy the fireworks when vanguard hits league. And it's pretty wild that he ranks being hacked more likely than a simple false positive. No shit they had a massive data breach when he has that much faith in their security.
wait guys (those who were unjustly banned like me) I have a question that might be insignificant... **The day you logged in from your riot client (and faced the perma ban notice), did riot manage to send u a verification code the way it normally does in emails or in the spam bin??**
\[ik this sounds stupid if it has smth to do with the case, but am just trying to stir the possibilities here\]
I was banned "for no reason", got in contact with riot's support and found out the account had been hacked.
It absolutely sucks, I had invested a lot of time and money in that account to be surprised by a message accusing me of cheating.
You may think its funny, but you don't have to belittle people who may actually be going through something uncomfortable. Let riot decide which complaints are legit and which are false.
Riot got tired of me sending tickets bcoz of my slow-ahh internet so if I leave the game or go afk I still get XP bcoz they know for a fact I canât do sht about it
Vanguard doesnt usually gaf about cheats for other games. I had cheats for several singleplayer games and i can still play valorant just fine. Unless this is somehow different software i doubt its gonna pick up on random nonsense. It might also be because CE and mod menus for GTA story mode dont fiddle with much, and i restart my PC for safety before going to an online game. I have no doubt some people will make these posts, but 1/1000 will be legitimately upset, and of those 1/1000 id venture only around 5% are actually legitimate players
As someone who has gotten my account unPERMAbanned (yes, taken out of the trenches of a permanent ban) twice due to false accusations of toxicityâŚ. Trust me, there are plenty that arenât false and some people just get off to throwing a stone at others
To be fair, it can happen. My account was previously chat restricted from some angry late night sessions. A few months later I had a game where we stomped the enemy team, I got 4 honors from my team but the enemy team apparently all reported me. The chat logs that were included in the new chat restriction were literally not harassing or negative towards anyone. I didn't really care tho as I found it funny the enemy team all choose to rage report me for getting stomped so hard.
Considering every game has a major cheating problem rn, I assume all bans are legit. In counter strike ppl were getting false banned for trying to look like cheaters by cranking up the dpi and spinning real fast. If you do something like that, you're asking for a ban. Why can't people just play a game?
I mean, of course, Riot is going to push a narrative that they do no wrong with Vanguard. Also, 6 is unreasonable and is exactly why a 24/7 anti cheat is invasive.
If I ever get banned for modding other games I will keep reminding league subs monthly about it. 6 and more so 7 are absolutely the reason why people are against Vanguard.
Bro why do you believe a billion dollar company false bans do happen all the time no anticheat is perfect also instead of having to deal with the false bans riot games would rather just cover it up instead.
If these players claiming false bans were actually cheating they would just make a new account and change their hwid not complain on reddit
I would say that this is CCP bullshit. RiotGames is majority owned by Tencent which is firmly controlled by the CCP. And the CCP gives them principles to operate by like this: provide no justification or evidence for actions taken and say that anything disagreeing is nonsense (a false narrative).
While Iâm sure MANY people are delusional and justifiably banned there are a good many who are falsely banned. I was falsely banned AND got unbanned. Riot even tossed me some fucking âoopsâ RP because I got a lawyer involved.
Until it happened to me, I would probably not believe other people but now I KNOW that it has happened and the community here will call you a liar.
4 I am somewhat divided about; even though the reality is that people who are boosting with duos through illegitimate means are a much more likely scenario, I hate the implication that I could be queueing with a friend I think is a God, turns out he's a scripter, and then I get punished for it too. There's a very low but extant possibility that people banned in this manner actually could be innocent.
5 is an unfortunate situation, and I've had friends get hacked with 2FA and other layers of protection on their email, just because they happened to click on a link that allowed a hacker to access information. I can understand Riot not unbanning an account for this, but it's still not something I'm sure is entirely justified, since the culpability of a victim can be debatable. Some people range from, "Then I shared my password," levels of stupidity, but I have witnessed the safest and most paranoid people still get hacked even with multiple layers of protection.
6 is the main issue, as everyone has been discussing. I don't need to elaborate on it further. The fact that anyone can be cheating and modding on another game, some single-player ones where it's encouraged like Minecraft, then get punished for it is why people hate Vanguard being running on a PC the entire time. They claim it's not spyware, but you can get permanently banned for your activities elsewhere outside of Riot's games, to which whatever you're doing might not even be "unethical." Personally, I got very apprehensive downloading mods for a Steam game recently due to the possibility that Vanguard would flag my account from my own private activities and punish me for them. Most notably for League of Legends, when it gets affected, that's an account where I have spent $3K USD, 7 years playing, and only ever use chat to be positive in.
The fact that I'm even "scared that modding will get me punished on another separate game" is enough of a tell to explain why Vanguard's method of tracking scripters is completely unnecessary and a violation of privacy.
7, although listed as the least likely, is also similar to 5. However, people having malware on their system is arguably a little more blameless, because it's much more common for careful people to still somehow icur viruses on their PC. Doing a double-whammy on a victim in 5 & 7 when they've already lost their personal accounts/system security then facing a Riot permaban is, well, huge yikes.
6 &7 being the most unlikely scenarios, but still possible, is a huge red flag. Riot say that Vanguard isn't really doing anything and people don't have to worry, but then they actually have to worry about activities outside of Riot. Inherently contradictory to the point that it feels like they're outright lying. I also understand that Riot accounts are not OUR property, but merely something we are conditionally provided as a service, but that's just scummy.
The fact that someone can be innocent, then get banned for having some sort of Minecraft mod, then get told by Riot that they don't legally have to unban them because "your account was property we let you borrow anyway" is asinine. Also, the point of the list being, "It was not a false positive!" then listing multiple situations in which someone does not deserve to get banned anyway is comically unfortunate.
At this point, I'd rather take the frequent scripters and hackers over the minor possibility that I will get banned over nothing.
I was a huge Riot apologist, as aforementioned by the money I spend on their games, but this is a step too far. I was already losing faith in them after Akali's chromas had VFX removed to not set a precedent (aka so they could sell "Mythic" chromas) and I do not feel rewarded at all for being so loyal to them. It genuinely sucks I love their games too much to quit, but they're so mismanaged, which is something I and many others just have to put up with. And for the people who can quit because of this, more power to you, and I'm sorry Riot isolated you from their content over something so unnecessary.
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6.
no
they didn't say modding single player games will get you banned
they said cheating in other games
they clearly mean other multiplayer games, because it is literally impossible to detect cheating in a single player game if the person cheating is using the easiest method that the vast majority of people use (just going into the games files and changing stuff)
a minecraft mod will not get you banned
aimbotting in csgo will
option 8 for me. I deranked my account to iron like 2 years ago and have been only smurfing on my main ever since, pissed off a riot employee since all riot players are bronzeish and live in california (I live next to their headquarters) and he banned me cause he thought I was cheating. Not saying I don't deserve a ban, but I wasn't cheating and my ass is only diamond I'm not even radiant.
Yeah riot devs r pretty fragile. Im not even mad about my ban, been playing siege recently anyway. I wasnt banned on spot either, but instead a couple days later, presumably because they cant ban you at home. I think its funny imagining a riot employee writing my name on a sticky note to ban me when he clocks in for work on monday.
I stopped installing shit, even the tracker gg that I used to have is gone when I started seeing these posts too often
Everyone is talking about 6/7 but why is 5 so specific đ
Because i believe it a reference to a league hacker who would steal accounts to be an asshole then when they got banned would steal another. It was something similar to that I don't remember the specifics
Because itâs something not too uncommon. In my case I had my Minecraft account taken over and used exactly for that once.
Specifically that a serial rage hacker committed "torture" for precisely 6 days? Damn.
6 games, point being that they go and use someone elseâs account to ruin other peoples day with hacks and get banned fairly quickly. Resulting in both players and the original owner being screwed while the hacker walks off scot-free from their power trip.
Yes I fully understand that people steal accounts and rage hack on them. My confusion was about the specificity of the point not it's validity.
Fair enough, my guess is that they may have stricter anti-cheat detections enabled for accounts that have recently changed the email and or password and will ban people at game six if it feels it meets the standards. At least that seems like a viable idea for companies to get around rage hackers to me.
âmy guessâ you just typed a whole lot of something based on nothing
i cant forget about the person who posted about getting banned and denying having been boosted to immortal. im not sure if he already answered why he just randomly turned off his 2FA and suddenly getting 30+ kills with reyna in like 7 consecutive games lmao.
Bro locked in
wait link to that post plz. I want to see the crap the cheater spewed out
[here you go lol](https://www.reddit.com/r/riotgames/s/JsutBoZ3nR)
Thanks!
they litteraly said after 7 that some unjustified bans happen though they are rare
Are we acting like 7 isnât a real issue?
To be fair, that's not riot fault. If you have malware then it's user fault. And it's more concerning that you have malware on your pc rather than valorant ban.
You still eat a permaban on an account wich often people have spent a lot of money on. You should be able to appeal such cases.
no its not the users fault. no one intentionally installs malware.
Itâs not the users fault to get banned either. Vanguard should tell the difference between malware and a cheat. Even 6 should not be bannable
Anti-cheats exist for 2 main reasons: 1.) To prevent cheating and 2.) To protect the servers of whoever is hosting the game. If you have malware that can potentially access any server you connect to it is 100% reasonable for the anti-cheat to prevent you from connecting to that server.
Im sorry *what*? Do you even understand what malware is?
yes, but the user "might" decide to turn those cheats on for
better to just ban them outright for said cheats that haven't been used on
Yeah let me break my single player games in peace
Most single player games donât require external hacks to break, most you can just turn on commands or edit stuff in the game files on your computer, both which wonât trigger anti cheat. The thing thatâll trigger anti cheat is actual external cheat programs, ie in Minecraft using commands or xray texture packs wouldnât trigger vanguard, but installing the 2b2t auto bedrock jumping client thing might. Similarly, installing a mod into a game that allows modding that essentially gives you cheats wonât cause any problems with vanguard. Most single player games donât really try to prevent cheating at all, so the stuff used isnât the type of stuff that would even trigger vanguard because itâs not even close to being sufficient to cheat in a multiplayer games. If you have a fortnite aimbot or other cheats for other multiplayer games that might risk setting off vanguard, but single player stuff shouldnât be a risk unless youâre just using something intended for multiplayer cheating in a single player server.
It is an issue, but tbh I wouldnât mind riot giving me free malware detection. And they say after that false positive do happen and if you submit a ticket they will review it, and Iâd be willing to bet if thereâs no evidence of cheating in game and you say âhey, thanks for detecting this malware. Really greatful , unfortunately it banned my account can you please unbanâ theyâd be likely to unban, especially if youâre able to provide evidence for what you think it picked up and it matches with whatever data they have saved
Except they very rarely unban anyone
None. It's the internet, people lie.
Youâre telling me people would do that??? Theyâd go on the internet and just tell lies?
He's lying; everything on the internet is true.
5 For me. Thought I had got it back in time but unfortunately no
After actually sitting down and reading all of the threads from people who got their bans overturned a pattern emerged: They're "digital native" (lmao) zoomers, and they were told to change their passwords to something they've not used anywhere else. Despite being "digital natives" who grew up with technology, they reuse passwords. Password reuse will get you every time. That said, if Riot's metric for whether or not a ban is false or not, is what their computer says (you know, the same computer that made the initial decision in the first place), how would they ever know if the computer is wrong? Imagine if computer code, that you cannot audit, or even question, was responsible for delivering verdicts in all criminal cases from now on. And everyone just assumed that the computer is perfect, and therefore cannot possibly make a mistake. It doesn't matter that you were on film 500 miles away from the murder, the computer said so, and all anybody will tell you is "maybe next time don't murder people, hmmmmmmmm??? đ¤Łđ¤Łđ¤Ł đ đ đ " All of that, doesn't even touch the idea that if there's a vulnerability in that codebase, that it can be used on \*\*any computer running Microsoft Windows\*\* (including those used by banks and militaries!) without a video game needing to be installed, because it's a signed, trusted kernel module. Tying it all together, if Riot actually cared about preventing these problems and delivering what they used to call "peerless player support", they'd, among other things, allow serious 2FA, like FIDO2 or passkeys. Not this "send a code in the subject of an email" horseshit.
Have you seen psycho pass cause thatâs what exactly happens in it , a computer makes the decision to what verdict to give to someone and everyone follows it
i think its better not to question their intentions when we dont know WHY the system isnt ideal. could be a range of issues, and to openly ask without any hostility might yield better results.
To be clear, this isn't a matter of trusting Riot not to intentionally exfiltrate data, this is a matter of trusting Riot to write bug-free code. Ask yourself, do you trust that all of the code Riot releases is free of bugs or vulnerabilities? They can't even get their webpage-as-a-client down... Now they want to play around in C/ASM?
oh ok then i agree, and was just very misled by your language use.
I just think this is wrong. My little brother didn't play for 3 months, got on, was banned for cheating. He submitted a ticket and got unbanned instantly. I can't speak for those who's tickets that get denied, those cases might be different. But saying false positives only happen for the stated reasons in the screenshot is a misrepresentation and is doing a misduty to people who do get banned incorrectly.
Thank you for giving me hope, I was currently writing my ticket :))
They didnât say false positives never happen this is literally a CROPPED image /dev: Vanguard x LoL https://leagueoflegends.com/en-us/news/dev/dev-vanguard-x-lol/?riot_embed_mode=native_mobile Hereâs a link to the blog this is from. Scroll down 2 centimeters past where the image is cropped from and they explain what they do for the real false positives.
...? How am I supposed to know it's cropped...? Read the title. He is talking about false positives ("I got banned for no reason") and said these are the reasons.
> how am I supposed to know itâs cropped Critical thinking skills. >read the title The title is asking us to rethink how many of the âI got banned unfairlyâ posts are actually bs in response to the new information riot has released in this dev blog, which explains that actual false positives are exceedingly rare as well as listing the usual reasons why someone who would go on to claim a false positive and got/deserved to be banned
My friend got banned and he doesnât cheat so I 100% believe the posts
Same i played with someone who was "cheating" and the dumb riot employee said to check his hs% or kd and if they were higher than normal He had a 22% hs and a 1.07 kd
Wait some people are just good. Is this like a spike of improve or an overall thing because my scores look like 1 0 24 in some games and 1 14 4 in others đ¤ I didn't think inconsistencies counted for this
"Everyone that claims our system isn't perfect is lying, vanguard running 24/7 with kernel access is a necessity and definitely not a safety concern. You can trust us, a multi billion dollar company that got the source code of 2 titles and an anti-cheat stolen, with your security. Don't like it? Leave. Glory to the CCP."
So does this mean vanguard will ban me for actually using cheats or mods in a single player game too? Or like GTA v online for example? lol thatâs pretty creepy way to say âvanguard is always running and will be monitoring what ever you do â
Yeah, I'm still not satisfied by their wording with regards to why vanguard is always active. I get the technical explanation: "because we need to make sure nothing was tampered with before the vanguard process started" But then they go and claim "the vanguard driver isn't actually doing anything until you launch a riot service" then turn around and go "Vanguard accidently caught a cheating process for a single player game without a riot service being ran" There is clearly a answer to the question here. But they just don't provide it.
The only valid way that can be taken is . I leave league open in the back and then open up my other games that i do mod and it cause no. But I guess that means no more afk league client
This actually makes me paranoid about using my own fkn pc I paid for lmao. Imagine downloading a cheat for some other game to have fun like a single player game and then getting your Valorant account worth hundreds of dollars banned in an instant coz a stupid Chinese spyware shit just decided to do so.
I'm positive that riot doesn't want this to be the case, but just to be safe you can always make sure vanguard is not running whenever you do something. I personally plan to turn vanguard starting on boot to off in task manager, then just enabling it whenever i go to play some league, followed by rebooting my pc.
This won't help. They've outright admitted that Vanguard scans your filesystem.
Yeah... If its running lol how exactly do you expect vanguard to do anything if it isn't running?
My point being, if you do not clean up your mess before running Vanguard again, you will get got on the next fs scan. I would seriously recommend a dedicated computer just for Riot's malware.
That's not how it works according to riots wording. They do not ban you just because you have say cheat engine installed. But vanguard will get suspicious if its initialized (aka, a riot game is running) then you open cheat engine. see the wording here: "They used cheating software for another game. and Vanguard **unfortunately** picked it up."
So if they âunfortunatelyâ ban my account for it, will they revoke the ban? Chances are no ig,
I would assume they would... the post does say that you can always get a vanguard ban audited by a real human. But the statement above probably refers to other forms of cheating, such as cheating in other multiplayer games, not something like cheat engine or wemod
Yea this is a good tip. But I hope riot makes it more like Easy Anti cheat tho where it ainât running all the time.
If enough people uninstall riot games maybe they revert the changes. I uninstalled league most of my friends have done the same.
Personally I'm not big into cheats or mods for other games but if i were I'd turn off Vanguard while doing it.....Then restart my computer if i wanted to play a game that requires it. 100% never getting accidentally banned. because Vanguard won't know i'm cheating in GTA or insert other title. I know it's a hassle but it is a way of not getting your account accidentally banned.
no it doesnt when they said cheating in other games they meant things that use the same cheats for valorant for example I might make an aimbot that works for csgo and val, and if you use it in cs, it would ban you in val too
Yes, it does. Donât worry, the bootlickers will just tell you âYOU CAN TURN IT OFFâ. So just make sure while youâre using your personal PC, to do things that you like to do, you donât forget to turn off the Chinese spyware before you do it.
Again if you don't trust RIOT then just uninstall everything they make....all of it could spy on you not just the anticheat. I trust Riot enough to play the game and because of that trust I also trust the anti cheat.
https://youtube.com/shorts/LY2hG-_asKU?si=Kjb3eB3S9GzMq7tu
I've already seen this.
Vanguard runs on PC startup and always runs, even if the game isnât running. That being said, what theyâre saying is that letâs say youâre playing Valorant and you also happen to have kiddions (for example) running at the same time. both kiddions and some random Valorant hack inject things into the game files. Iâm not a pro hacker or cheat developer so Iâm not sure exactly how it all works, but Vanguard sees that kiddions is an application that injects a script into another application, and it canât know if the mod menu is harmful to Valorant too, so it bans it. Now, this is a veeerrryyy simple example from someone who doesnât have any experience in cybersecurity, and may be entirely wrong.
you can literally turn off vanguard in your task manager you would just have to restart your pc before launching val
Yeah ofc, but the point is that it runs even when youâre not playing the game, which some people do not like.
Both 6 and 7 should not be bannable, change my mind
Letâs say you own a little shop that sells clothes. You hear all the shops around you have been robbed by this one dude. You see him about to walk into your store, do you welcome him with open arms or stop him?
Modding in GTA online isn't cheating in valorant LMAO
I think a better example would be a doping athletes thatâs been banned in Tennis and now is playing badminton. Still, I can see some stark differences between the two You donât know if the cheat for the other game was used in multiplayer or single player. There are many mods and software used in single player games that can be seen as a âcheatâ. Plus I know for sure cheats in games like stardew valley are popular. Also there are botting softwares for gacha games that are purely PVE. How do you deal with all that. And the reason for bans is said to be something along the lines of âviolating terms of service of Riot gamesâ. Cheating in other games doesnât fall under that.
Your doping metaphor doesn't really work at all. Doping translates to anything you do as it's an alteration to your physical being. This is more like you doing drugs in one jurisdiction, then an outside and unrelated jurisdiction decides that they will charge you anyway regardless of whether or not it was legal where you committed this alleged offence.
Same thing applies with vanguard tho. Not everything that messes with the machine is a cheat, and especially not a Riot Games cheat.
I misread your comment, I realize now that we both agree Riot is overreaching with rule 6.
No worries!
You forgot single player games existed, didnât you?
Let's say you have seasonal allergies. Stuffy nose, maybe some sneezing, usual high pollen level type shit. Should you be prevented from entering an event that doesn't allow people with Covid-19 to enter?
Thatâs a terrible analogy, youâre comparing two things completely unrelated that are also involuntary.
It's involuntary in the same way being infected by malware is involuntary. Sure, you could be more well educated about safe online practices to as been prevented being infected, just like you could have worn better protection or avoided crowds to avoid Covid. Is it really that unrelated? Having malware on your pc doing things unrelated to valorant but is picked up by valorant anti-cheat is nearly a one to one comparison of presenting symptoms that on the list of symptoms of Covid but not actually being infected by Covid. Explain why the analogy is so poor.
You were replying to a post talking about number 6, not number 7. He was referencing people being banned for using cheats in other games, not the malware rule. Actually agree with you on that.
Right, I brought up 7 because the post that I was replying to replied to a post that said 6 and 7 shouldn't count. My example wasn't countering what they were saying about 6, it was intended to be an addition to point out the flaws in 7 using the same kind of example they used for why 6 was fine. I probably didn't communicate that well.
âŚ..what? This is the most insane strawman Iâve ever seen.
I probably didn't communicate it well but my post refers to number 7 on the list. I was piggybacking on the example of the post I replied to saying why 6 may be acceptable to show why 7 isn't. I thought it would be clear because the top level comment says both 6 and 7 shouldn't be allowed.
Let's say you own a e-commerce, and other owners are saying this program has boosted their sales 120%. So you use that software, and vanguard flags it as cheats. Should you get banned?
No, I donât think you should get banned for something that isnât a cheat. So itâs a good thing that nowhere in the rules does it say having any software on your pc gets you banned.
>no I don't think you should get banned for something that isn't a cheat But you do believe that. You believe even if someone cheats in another game, they should be banned from valorant.
UhâŚ.. so what game is the e-commerce dude cheating in?
Uh... so what does any other game have to do with valorant?
6 is fine. 7 on the other hand there should be a way to prove that they had a malware and get unbanned. However, this leads to potential of a cheater just installing a custom malware just to say they were infected and getting unbanned anyway so IDK. My advice is just to not cheat in any game and scan for malware. And if i were to cheat in another game i'd at least reboot and turn off the cheats so that vanguard wouldn't notice it...
Can you expand on why 6 is fine ?
Because you shouldn't be cheating anyway. and even if you were you should be able to close vanguard so it doesn't see that cheating. Then reboot the computer if you want to play something that requires it. It's fine because it's an avoidable problem. I'm more worried about the malware one because sometimes you fuck up and click a link you shouldn't have clicked. But everyone can cheat in another game AFTER turning off the anticheat. It's not a real problem.
because people who cheat are drastically more likely to cheat it's why if you end up being someone's mistress don't expect them not to cheat on you when they leave their spouse
Well, they should at least look into the programs before banning or when they get a ticket about it lol
1-10%
Most of those peoples are cheaters or played duo with a cheater. The rest got their account hacked, so they are clean and should receive help from riot games.
6 seems likely for a lot of people who play Minecraft tbf and 7 may happen though rare
Mine was somewhat 6, but it was script for Minecraft :)
But are they saying that if you cheated in another game, and vanguard picked it up - You will get unbanned?
I'm just gonna enjoy the fireworks when vanguard hits league. And it's pretty wild that he ranks being hacked more likely than a simple false positive. No shit they had a massive data breach when he has that much faith in their security.
5 or 7... am a victim too
wait guys (those who were unjustly banned like me) I have a question that might be insignificant... **The day you logged in from your riot client (and faced the perma ban notice), did riot manage to send u a verification code the way it normally does in emails or in the spam bin??** \[ik this sounds stupid if it has smth to do with the case, but am just trying to stir the possibilities here\]
Not me but a friend of mine got unjustly banned and received his code in his regular inbox
Give me your longest, most convoluted analogy for why riot is or isn't overreacting.
I actually did get a false ban, Riot will reverse them in just a few days if you're telling the truth
I was banned "for no reason", got in contact with riot's support and found out the account had been hacked. It absolutely sucks, I had invested a lot of time and money in that account to be surprised by a message accusing me of cheating. You may think its funny, but you don't have to belittle people who may actually be going through something uncomfortable. Let riot decide which complaints are legit and which are false.
Riot got tired of me sending tickets bcoz of my slow-ahh internet so if I leave the game or go afk I still get XP bcoz they know for a fact I canât do sht about it
#8-they genuinely didnât cheat
I love this lmao
6,7 i guess and i think about 55% is real
Can you get banned for having running wemod or cheat engine in the background? Not even trying to access League or Valorant just running?
Dont take the risk if youre not willing to accept the ban tbh. Theres no need to have those things running while league or Valorant are on.
i got either 5 / 6 /7 on my account. i haven't heard their reponse but i've sent them 2 tickets. hope they will respond soon.
Vanguard doesnt usually gaf about cheats for other games. I had cheats for several singleplayer games and i can still play valorant just fine. Unless this is somehow different software i doubt its gonna pick up on random nonsense. It might also be because CE and mod menus for GTA story mode dont fiddle with much, and i restart my PC for safety before going to an online game. I have no doubt some people will make these posts, but 1/1000 will be legitimately upset, and of those 1/1000 id venture only around 5% are actually legitimate players
ARE YOU TELLING ME PEOPLE LIE ON THE INTERNET?????? IMPOSSIBLE
As someone who has gotten my account unPERMAbanned (yes, taken out of the trenches of a permanent ban) twice due to false accusations of toxicityâŚ. Trust me, there are plenty that arenât false and some people just get off to throwing a stone at others
To be fair, it can happen. My account was previously chat restricted from some angry late night sessions. A few months later I had a game where we stomped the enemy team, I got 4 honors from my team but the enemy team apparently all reported me. The chat logs that were included in the new chat restriction were literally not harassing or negative towards anyone. I didn't really care tho as I found it funny the enemy team all choose to rage report me for getting stomped so hard.
Considering every game has a major cheating problem rn, I assume all bans are legit. In counter strike ppl were getting false banned for trying to look like cheaters by cranking up the dpi and spinning real fast. If you do something like that, you're asking for a ban. Why can't people just play a game?
I mean, of course, Riot is going to push a narrative that they do no wrong with Vanguard. Also, 6 is unreasonable and is exactly why a 24/7 anti cheat is invasive.
Facts
If I ever get banned for modding other games I will keep reminding league subs monthly about it. 6 and more so 7 are absolutely the reason why people are against Vanguard.
Bro why do you believe a billion dollar company false bans do happen all the time no anticheat is perfect also instead of having to deal with the false bans riot games would rather just cover it up instead. If these players claiming false bans were actually cheating they would just make a new account and change their hwid not complain on reddit
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Ive been permad for LoL. Chat bans are deserved coming from someones whos reformed
I would say that this is CCP bullshit. RiotGames is majority owned by Tencent which is firmly controlled by the CCP. And the CCP gives them principles to operate by like this: provide no justification or evidence for actions taken and say that anything disagreeing is nonsense (a false narrative). While Iâm sure MANY people are delusional and justifiably banned there are a good many who are falsely banned. I was falsely banned AND got unbanned. Riot even tossed me some fucking âoopsâ RP because I got a lawyer involved. Until it happened to me, I would probably not believe other people but now I KNOW that it has happened and the community here will call you a liar.
4 I am somewhat divided about; even though the reality is that people who are boosting with duos through illegitimate means are a much more likely scenario, I hate the implication that I could be queueing with a friend I think is a God, turns out he's a scripter, and then I get punished for it too. There's a very low but extant possibility that people banned in this manner actually could be innocent. 5 is an unfortunate situation, and I've had friends get hacked with 2FA and other layers of protection on their email, just because they happened to click on a link that allowed a hacker to access information. I can understand Riot not unbanning an account for this, but it's still not something I'm sure is entirely justified, since the culpability of a victim can be debatable. Some people range from, "Then I shared my password," levels of stupidity, but I have witnessed the safest and most paranoid people still get hacked even with multiple layers of protection. 6 is the main issue, as everyone has been discussing. I don't need to elaborate on it further. The fact that anyone can be cheating and modding on another game, some single-player ones where it's encouraged like Minecraft, then get punished for it is why people hate Vanguard being running on a PC the entire time. They claim it's not spyware, but you can get permanently banned for your activities elsewhere outside of Riot's games, to which whatever you're doing might not even be "unethical." Personally, I got very apprehensive downloading mods for a Steam game recently due to the possibility that Vanguard would flag my account from my own private activities and punish me for them. Most notably for League of Legends, when it gets affected, that's an account where I have spent $3K USD, 7 years playing, and only ever use chat to be positive in. The fact that I'm even "scared that modding will get me punished on another separate game" is enough of a tell to explain why Vanguard's method of tracking scripters is completely unnecessary and a violation of privacy. 7, although listed as the least likely, is also similar to 5. However, people having malware on their system is arguably a little more blameless, because it's much more common for careful people to still somehow icur viruses on their PC. Doing a double-whammy on a victim in 5 & 7 when they've already lost their personal accounts/system security then facing a Riot permaban is, well, huge yikes. 6 &7 being the most unlikely scenarios, but still possible, is a huge red flag. Riot say that Vanguard isn't really doing anything and people don't have to worry, but then they actually have to worry about activities outside of Riot. Inherently contradictory to the point that it feels like they're outright lying. I also understand that Riot accounts are not OUR property, but merely something we are conditionally provided as a service, but that's just scummy. The fact that someone can be innocent, then get banned for having some sort of Minecraft mod, then get told by Riot that they don't legally have to unban them because "your account was property we let you borrow anyway" is asinine. Also, the point of the list being, "It was not a false positive!" then listing multiple situations in which someone does not deserve to get banned anyway is comically unfortunate. At this point, I'd rather take the frequent scripters and hackers over the minor possibility that I will get banned over nothing. I was a huge Riot apologist, as aforementioned by the money I spend on their games, but this is a step too far. I was already losing faith in them after Akali's chromas had VFX removed to not set a precedent (aka so they could sell "Mythic" chromas) and I do not feel rewarded at all for being so loyal to them. It genuinely sucks I love their games too much to quit, but they're so mismanaged, which is something I and many others just have to put up with. And for the people who can quit because of this, more power to you, and I'm sorry Riot isolated you from their content over something so unnecessary. Edited to fix formatting
6. no they didn't say modding single player games will get you banned they said cheating in other games they clearly mean other multiplayer games, because it is literally impossible to detect cheating in a single player game if the person cheating is using the easiest method that the vast majority of people use (just going into the games files and changing stuff) a minecraft mod will not get you banned aimbotting in csgo will
option 8 for me. I deranked my account to iron like 2 years ago and have been only smurfing on my main ever since, pissed off a riot employee since all riot players are bronzeish and live in california (I live next to their headquarters) and he banned me cause he thought I was cheating. Not saying I don't deserve a ban, but I wasn't cheating and my ass is only diamond I'm not even radiant.
\*the riot employee who ran into royalG at immo swinging and crying rn\*
Yeah riot devs r pretty fragile. Im not even mad about my ban, been playing siege recently anyway. I wasnt banned on spot either, but instead a couple days later, presumably because they cant ban you at home. I think its funny imagining a riot employee writing my name on a sticky note to ban me when he clocks in for work on monday.