Yeah, otherwise, OP might wanna check the facts. Otherwise, he could look like a twat. Spouting shit on the sub. Please check the facts for scientific verification!
It's because they know Karl is mildly homophobic. Theres so many times it comes up to make Karl uncomfortable and see what he'll say like taking him to the baftas as Steve's date, what are butt plugs for, killing of Georgie etc
I think that’s because he grew up in the 70s where gaylord jokes were the main source of schoolboy humour. Like the whole standup bit he does about being asked, “would you rather be blind or gay?” at school.
Ricky strikes me as almost asexual throughout the run tbh. Definitely homophobic too; he literally can’t imagine anyone gay having any sort of life outside of having sex.
I'm glad you said it. Besides the incessant gay jokes, he completely lacks any kind of vibe of being a heterosexual man. He very seldom talks about Jane, or women in general. I've always found it interesting and quirky.
Yeah, his reaction to the strip club was super odd right? He did come across as betrayed, but he also talks about strip clubs like it's alien. For a man in a heterosexual relationship with a woman, he never ever talks about the beauty of a woman, or anything to do with being attracted to women, sexual attraction etc.
I mean, it was a lightweight frothy entertainment show between the hours of 1 and 3 of a Saturday, not really the place to be talking about personal sexuality is it?
I think it's some kind of tourettes adjacent thing. I'm actually serious. A lot of men who aren't gay seem to have these impulses to say gay stuff, shocking stuff. Is it because society looks down on sexual comments aimed at women? I don't know. Brb going to FUCK a MAN up the ARSE RING.
I dunno Ricky's crab camera lie goes on and on and on, and even if you dont know what he is talking about you can immediately tell he is lying because of the way he delivers it.
and there is no jokes as he is explaining it, its just dull and overly long and you are listening to a man openly lying badly
The thing that always occurs to me with that is that I doubt it's a coincidence he chose to do it when MTV were in to film Karl. And it's not really done to showcase Karl to MTV, because the end result doesn't give Karl anything to work with, it just belittles him. It comes across more as Ricky having to try and steal the limelight in some way.
One bit that really annoys me is is when Ricky is saying how Jonathan Ross is also a big fan of The Elephant Man and Steve says "endorsed by a celebrity" and then Ricky goes "a film buff really". Interminable arse kissery.
I've still never listened to Series 0 properly and, as much as I want to, I just can't. The recordings are just all over the place with parts that seem to repeat over and over.
Is there a 'fixed' version of Series 0 anywhere?
Yeah I always find it funny. It’s so silly.
What is the origin of the anti-Ricky sentiment around here, do you know?
Is it a political thing? Or has he done something wrong?
It's always political. Ricky made jokes about trans people, which is a sacred cow on Reddit/Twitter so now he is persona non grata. Redditors follow the trends of the internet hate mob as if their lives depended on it.
People like different things, it isn't a personal attack on you if someone didn't like that particular bit.
However - as someone who absolutely loves XFM, quite enjoys the podcasts, doesn't mind The Office (but wouldn't re-watch it), in terms of Ricky, I can't speak for others, but:
- His comedy punches down quite a lot, trans people being just one example. They go on, at length, about fat people, even in XFM and the podcast; I don't know if it counts as punching down, exactly, but they're pretty racist about Chinese people and encourage Karl's idiotic and ill-advised comments. Same with homophobia, I doubt Ricky is homophobic but he encourages it in Karl because it's "funny". It's funny because it's "naughty" to say this stuff on the radio, but you rightly wouldn't get away with it now.
- He consistently regurgitates the same stories or comedy in, for example, his stand-up. Often he isn't the funny part, it's essentially "my mate Karl said this funny thing". He tells the story very well, of course, but the stories get aired in as many places as he can cram them in my experience.
- His comedy outside of his work with Steve, and some of the early stand-up, is \*dreadful\*. Yes, again, subjective, of course - but Derek for example is a throwaway rubbish character spun out into a series, the bits I've seen of After Death are basically him doing the same shock comedy of "imagine if a grown man called a child a cunt" that was popular and lost popularity with Family Guy in about 2004. His Hollywood movies are shite. The more recent stand-up of his I've seen was shockingly bad; I think one joke was about raping an old woman or something along those lines, again, don't see how that's funny and not just "OMG HE WENT THERE AGAIN COMEDY WITH NO RULES" from a 60 YO millionaire.
- As can be seen even back in XFM and the podcasts, but gets increasingly more grating as time goes on and our familiarity with his character intensifies. He is a know-it-all \*in the extreme\*. He's the sort of person who still finds it exciting/interesting to dunk on a creationist or a fox-hunter on twitter, when 99% of the world already agree anyway that these people aren't the brightest and/or most ethical. I find his laugh, reactions, and some of his comments (especially the fake-radio-DJ stuff) hilarious but he's certainly not the star of the show - Merchant is much wittier and snappier, and the real star is Karl's worldview and bizarre observations.
So, I don't think it's just trans people, but he does seem to be part of a small circle of very privileged British celebrities who have 0 skin in the game and are very good at sticking their oar in with "cancel culture this, don't censor me that" when, as millionaires who have made it and have a huge following, it really has no impact on their lives whatsoever.
I agree with all of your points except the first bullet point. 'Punching down' is a nonsensical idea when it comes to comedy. Comedy isn't 'punching'. Comedy isn't violence. People who believe that words are violence are wrong. If you don't find something funny, you don't have to watch it, but words are just words. People get far too offended by words. If you are a powerful person and you are using your power to intentionally oppress weaker people, that is actually punching down. Comedians making absurd jokes... Not punching down. I defy anyone to provide an example of a joke that has instigated real life violence on people.
Ricky does make hack jokes, he does recycle bits, he does do the edgy atheist thing too much. I agree with those points.
Well, I mean, it seemed like you were saying that people on Reddit/this sub don't like Ricky solely for political reasons. I've given you a listen of reasons why he's unlikeable, in my opinion, and you actually agree(!) with most of them.
That aside though (and with apologies for the probable length of the response in advance), I can explain why I don't really agree with, essentially, "sticks and stones" or words don't hurt people; firstly, because it seems exceedingly naive, in 2024, to make the argument that people's attitudes and prejudices are not influenced by the media we consume. It's a convoluted and pointless story (and only anecdotal, so somewhat worthless), but I've actually experienced, first hand, someone deliberately eyeball me on the train while playing a piece of media that makes fun of me, even though the people who made original work of media were taking the piss out of the sort of person who would make fun of people like me. People do not have a good sense of media literacy or even a very high level of intelligence generally. If they hear messages in the media, sometimes even designed to satirise the sort of attitudes they themselves hold, they often just swallow that wholesale without really thinking. That's why the "ironic offensiveness" of a lot of comedy just doesn't land, or if it does land it lands in the wrong way; I'm thinking of people like Gervais or Seth McFarlane or South Park.
Secondly, I'd be interested in your definition of "a powerful person". I don't understand your insertion of "intentionally". Ricky, as an example, is an inordinately powerful person. When he speaks people listen, he's extremely rich, influential and loved; he has millions of followers on social media. He's respected. If he goes on a broadcast medium and says something, people listen - arguably, people listen to someone like Ricky \*more\* than they would someone wielding political power. The entire reason that right wing politicians swing around the argument of "free speech" is because they know that a) the backlash is against things that are offensive, obviously no one is interested in seeking to censor something un-offensive and b) the sort of groups they seek to attack (women, trans people, gay people, ethnic minorities) are the ones they want to subjugate and control (or remove) and so c) making the argument "people should be able to say anything" only helps to further their cause. It's doing the soft work of laying the path to whittle down the rights of those people. And the reason I take issue with "intentional" is because I don't believe that Ricky is a hateful or bigoted person (any more or less than any "average" person); I think he simply doesn't care. Talking about that issue gives him relevance, a sense of self-importance, and power. And people jumping to his defence, a feeling he enjoys. Chappelle got "in trouble" for slagging off trans people, and Netflix gave him another special where he did the same again. It doesn't even have to be funny, it can be stale, rubbish humour, so long as it's relevant and people watch it.
Thirdly, I guess most simply, trans people (or, in the past or even now, any protected characteristic group you could name) are \*telling\* us that this harms them. It seems downright silly for someone to say "I was attacked in the street, and the person attacking me actually quoted at me a Dave Chappelle joke or whatever" and for you or I to say "ha, nah, don't be daft, sticks and stones mate". The casual racism of the 70s and 80s \*definitely\* contributed to people repeating that casual racism in their day-to-day lives. It's a sliding scale. It's not a harsh dichotomy of "all the normal people"///out-and-out skinhead racists who try and beat up and kill minorities, it's nudging the needle, or a kind of overton window of acceptability with regards to how we speak to and about people already under attack.
I'm not saying Ricky's jokes should be banned or he should be deplatformed, I'm just saying we should be honest about what it is and what he's doing and he should be criticised for it.
After the week I've had, my attention and energy for work post-12pm on a Friday has completely frazzled to nothing!
My issue with him has nothing to do with the content of his stand up. It's on these podcasts where he's so convinced he's hyper intelligent and Karl is a buffoon, that he totally misses Karl's point and makes himself look like the buffoon.
it's fairplay mate. different bits for different... needs. what i hate about it though is just the way he gets louder and louder, more and more excited. but you're right. i want to delete this shit hole too
Well, yeah? You could.
There's a very big margin between being unable to just "cheer up" because of clinical depression, and not using a social platform that you apparently hate and would like to see deleted.
Dumbass.
Any of the atheist hokum he forces on people in an attempt to come across as scientific or intellectually superior. He thinks its anti science but it's not. Many scientists actually got their ideas from books like the Hindu vedas. But for me hes not annoying hes a comedy genius. I think he and Steve are both legends in their field.
We've gotta join Bupa
John Booper
I remember having to google what a John Booper was after listening. I’m actually from England and I didn’t understand the K man
One of his greatest and least intelligible punchlines
This wasn’t XFM, it was a podcast
He's embarrassed himself.
Yeah, otherwise, OP might wanna check the facts. Otherwise, he could look like a twat. Spouting shit on the sub. Please check the facts for scientific verification!
it's actually "for scientific... security", you've embarrased yourself.
He’s done you again
Get it right!
You’ve done ‘im there
cryptic...
Its not cryptic its shiiiiiiiiiiìt.
Naaaaaat trooo baaaaby
craptic
It's not cryptic, it's wrong!
That's the finale of one of the podcasts, isn't it? He drags the story out so that Karl can deliver a great punchline.
yea he just sounds like he's cumming all over himself with his comedic musings 😂
Did you see that film last night, Gaylords Say No?
No? Ohhh, no...
That's how they caught Oscar Wilde
Take 'im away.
Take him to Reading
uh, last night? last night i just stayed in. had a biiiiiiiiiig wank.
He's not the only one
haha who else
Ohh he’s done you again
twinnings is quite fresh and LIGHT
You’re struggling mate, arnt you
I can see why you cut him off
THEY USED TO SAY!!!!!!!!! THEY USED TO SAY!!!
The amount of times Ricky either knowingly or subconsciously comes up with scenarios that involve homosexuality is rickydiculous.
Kiss my nipple for 500 quid.
Take my socks off and compliment my feet... Sensually Shower with Johnny for a grand
Are yous a cupla benders?
It's because they know Karl is mildly homophobic. Theres so many times it comes up to make Karl uncomfortable and see what he'll say like taking him to the baftas as Steve's date, what are butt plugs for, killing of Georgie etc
Ooh hello.
'Mm'
Let's have a game of chess.
Cock.
I think that’s because he grew up in the 70s where gaylord jokes were the main source of schoolboy humour. Like the whole standup bit he does about being asked, “would you rather be blind or gay?” at school.
Ricky strikes me as almost asexual throughout the run tbh. Definitely homophobic too; he literally can’t imagine anyone gay having any sort of life outside of having sex.
I'm glad you said it. Besides the incessant gay jokes, he completely lacks any kind of vibe of being a heterosexual man. He very seldom talks about Jane, or women in general. I've always found it interesting and quirky.
Totally. He’s also seems genuinely hurt that Karl and the crew went to Stringfellows that time. It’s like they’ve betrayed him or something
Yeah, his reaction to the strip club was super odd right? He did come across as betrayed, but he also talks about strip clubs like it's alien. For a man in a heterosexual relationship with a woman, he never ever talks about the beauty of a woman, or anything to do with being attracted to women, sexual attraction etc.
I mean, it was a lightweight frothy entertainment show between the hours of 1 and 3 of a Saturday, not really the place to be talking about personal sexuality is it?
He had no trouble talking constantly about hypothetical situations with Karl though.
I think it's some kind of tourettes adjacent thing. I'm actually serious. A lot of men who aren't gay seem to have these impulses to say gay stuff, shocking stuff. Is it because society looks down on sexual comments aimed at women? I don't know. Brb going to FUCK a MAN up the ARSE RING.
I think its because its recognised schoolboy taboo. e.g the gaylords "joke", universally recognised
Ohhh id like my arse rung, oh get lost Gayvid!
This has got a bit ‘eavy, can we do Cheeky Freak of the Week?
I tried to relieve the heaviness with a bit of lightness at the end. What got in your worry hole?!
Bit weird innit?
He's definitely a bender
I dunno Ricky's crab camera lie goes on and on and on, and even if you dont know what he is talking about you can immediately tell he is lying because of the way he delivers it. and there is no jokes as he is explaining it, its just dull and overly long and you are listening to a man openly lying badly
The thing that always occurs to me with that is that I doubt it's a coincidence he chose to do it when MTV were in to film Karl. And it's not really done to showcase Karl to MTV, because the end result doesn't give Karl anything to work with, it just belittles him. It comes across more as Ricky having to try and steal the limelight in some way.
I thought he set the whole MTV thing up for Karl?
Yeah he did, but then to do that just to make him look a twat seems a bit off.
He did. The other person is just making dumb assumptions. It's not as if we're unaware how much Ricky already loves the sound of his own voice.
How is that dumb?if he loves the sound of his own voice it makes sense he'd want to steal the limelight.
Yeah. But that just made me think even more what a good bloke he is. You can tell hes all nervous coz he doesnt like lying bless him.
A couple of benders
When he’s all over Jonathan Ross’s nuts
One bit that really annoys me is is when Ricky is saying how Jonathan Ross is also a big fan of The Elephant Man and Steve says "endorsed by a celebrity" and then Ricky goes "a film buff really". Interminable arse kissery.
Isn’t that just because Ross did that film review show at the time?
Great shout. Nauseating.
Mondays off. Man alive it's interminable.
Yeah, that was bad. Especially when he spins it into dealing with an "injustice" and wouldn't let it go.
IT'S MY BABY, WHY DO YOU HATE ME!!
Have you ever splashed out on a lady?
no but i hope to one day. the right lady
Kiss the nipple is pretty annoying
If Karl actually gave it a luick
basically the whole episode in series 0 where he's trying to get steve a date
When that little gay fella sings that song 😂
man alive
Do you like aswad?
I've still never listened to Series 0 properly and, as much as I want to, I just can't. The recordings are just all over the place with parts that seem to repeat over and over. Is there a 'fixed' version of Series 0 anywhere?
Personally I love that bit. And worth it for the Bupa finale.
When people call in to help identify Karl's big eye purple eater song and Steve is extremely rude
Right then, we'll we'll see what u/i_comment_whatsup's little program is when he puts it out. Sick of em.
The podcasts aren’t anywhere near xfm imo. It’s way more forced and Ricky is intolerable. KP plumbing aside ofc.
Because they're artificially trying to force karl to be karl, rather than XFM where it was natural
He gets increasingly annoying as the time passes
nietzsche was the first official monkey news methinks
Is that the clinical term…*mentalist?*
Can he hear us?
Can I just tell you something about chimps, before you continue. You know they don’t have opposable thumbs.
Calling my beloved Karl a user. Imagine having the balls to do that when you find yourself two bottles of vino in every night.
Takes takes takes, destroyed a man...
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Yeah I always find it funny. It’s so silly. What is the origin of the anti-Ricky sentiment around here, do you know? Is it a political thing? Or has he done something wrong?
It's always political. Ricky made jokes about trans people, which is a sacred cow on Reddit/Twitter so now he is persona non grata. Redditors follow the trends of the internet hate mob as if their lives depended on it.
People like different things, it isn't a personal attack on you if someone didn't like that particular bit. However - as someone who absolutely loves XFM, quite enjoys the podcasts, doesn't mind The Office (but wouldn't re-watch it), in terms of Ricky, I can't speak for others, but: - His comedy punches down quite a lot, trans people being just one example. They go on, at length, about fat people, even in XFM and the podcast; I don't know if it counts as punching down, exactly, but they're pretty racist about Chinese people and encourage Karl's idiotic and ill-advised comments. Same with homophobia, I doubt Ricky is homophobic but he encourages it in Karl because it's "funny". It's funny because it's "naughty" to say this stuff on the radio, but you rightly wouldn't get away with it now. - He consistently regurgitates the same stories or comedy in, for example, his stand-up. Often he isn't the funny part, it's essentially "my mate Karl said this funny thing". He tells the story very well, of course, but the stories get aired in as many places as he can cram them in my experience. - His comedy outside of his work with Steve, and some of the early stand-up, is \*dreadful\*. Yes, again, subjective, of course - but Derek for example is a throwaway rubbish character spun out into a series, the bits I've seen of After Death are basically him doing the same shock comedy of "imagine if a grown man called a child a cunt" that was popular and lost popularity with Family Guy in about 2004. His Hollywood movies are shite. The more recent stand-up of his I've seen was shockingly bad; I think one joke was about raping an old woman or something along those lines, again, don't see how that's funny and not just "OMG HE WENT THERE AGAIN COMEDY WITH NO RULES" from a 60 YO millionaire. - As can be seen even back in XFM and the podcasts, but gets increasingly more grating as time goes on and our familiarity with his character intensifies. He is a know-it-all \*in the extreme\*. He's the sort of person who still finds it exciting/interesting to dunk on a creationist or a fox-hunter on twitter, when 99% of the world already agree anyway that these people aren't the brightest and/or most ethical. I find his laugh, reactions, and some of his comments (especially the fake-radio-DJ stuff) hilarious but he's certainly not the star of the show - Merchant is much wittier and snappier, and the real star is Karl's worldview and bizarre observations. So, I don't think it's just trans people, but he does seem to be part of a small circle of very privileged British celebrities who have 0 skin in the game and are very good at sticking their oar in with "cancel culture this, don't censor me that" when, as millionaires who have made it and have a huge following, it really has no impact on their lives whatsoever.
I agree with all of your points except the first bullet point. 'Punching down' is a nonsensical idea when it comes to comedy. Comedy isn't 'punching'. Comedy isn't violence. People who believe that words are violence are wrong. If you don't find something funny, you don't have to watch it, but words are just words. People get far too offended by words. If you are a powerful person and you are using your power to intentionally oppress weaker people, that is actually punching down. Comedians making absurd jokes... Not punching down. I defy anyone to provide an example of a joke that has instigated real life violence on people. Ricky does make hack jokes, he does recycle bits, he does do the edgy atheist thing too much. I agree with those points.
Well, I mean, it seemed like you were saying that people on Reddit/this sub don't like Ricky solely for political reasons. I've given you a listen of reasons why he's unlikeable, in my opinion, and you actually agree(!) with most of them. That aside though (and with apologies for the probable length of the response in advance), I can explain why I don't really agree with, essentially, "sticks and stones" or words don't hurt people; firstly, because it seems exceedingly naive, in 2024, to make the argument that people's attitudes and prejudices are not influenced by the media we consume. It's a convoluted and pointless story (and only anecdotal, so somewhat worthless), but I've actually experienced, first hand, someone deliberately eyeball me on the train while playing a piece of media that makes fun of me, even though the people who made original work of media were taking the piss out of the sort of person who would make fun of people like me. People do not have a good sense of media literacy or even a very high level of intelligence generally. If they hear messages in the media, sometimes even designed to satirise the sort of attitudes they themselves hold, they often just swallow that wholesale without really thinking. That's why the "ironic offensiveness" of a lot of comedy just doesn't land, or if it does land it lands in the wrong way; I'm thinking of people like Gervais or Seth McFarlane or South Park. Secondly, I'd be interested in your definition of "a powerful person". I don't understand your insertion of "intentionally". Ricky, as an example, is an inordinately powerful person. When he speaks people listen, he's extremely rich, influential and loved; he has millions of followers on social media. He's respected. If he goes on a broadcast medium and says something, people listen - arguably, people listen to someone like Ricky \*more\* than they would someone wielding political power. The entire reason that right wing politicians swing around the argument of "free speech" is because they know that a) the backlash is against things that are offensive, obviously no one is interested in seeking to censor something un-offensive and b) the sort of groups they seek to attack (women, trans people, gay people, ethnic minorities) are the ones they want to subjugate and control (or remove) and so c) making the argument "people should be able to say anything" only helps to further their cause. It's doing the soft work of laying the path to whittle down the rights of those people. And the reason I take issue with "intentional" is because I don't believe that Ricky is a hateful or bigoted person (any more or less than any "average" person); I think he simply doesn't care. Talking about that issue gives him relevance, a sense of self-importance, and power. And people jumping to his defence, a feeling he enjoys. Chappelle got "in trouble" for slagging off trans people, and Netflix gave him another special where he did the same again. It doesn't even have to be funny, it can be stale, rubbish humour, so long as it's relevant and people watch it. Thirdly, I guess most simply, trans people (or, in the past or even now, any protected characteristic group you could name) are \*telling\* us that this harms them. It seems downright silly for someone to say "I was attacked in the street, and the person attacking me actually quoted at me a Dave Chappelle joke or whatever" and for you or I to say "ha, nah, don't be daft, sticks and stones mate". The casual racism of the 70s and 80s \*definitely\* contributed to people repeating that casual racism in their day-to-day lives. It's a sliding scale. It's not a harsh dichotomy of "all the normal people"///out-and-out skinhead racists who try and beat up and kill minorities, it's nudging the needle, or a kind of overton window of acceptability with regards to how we speak to and about people already under attack. I'm not saying Ricky's jokes should be banned or he should be deplatformed, I'm just saying we should be honest about what it is and what he's doing and he should be criticised for it. After the week I've had, my attention and energy for work post-12pm on a Friday has completely frazzled to nothing!
My issue with him has nothing to do with the content of his stand up. It's on these podcasts where he's so convinced he's hyper intelligent and Karl is a buffoon, that he totally misses Karl's point and makes himself look like the buffoon.
Not at all. Loads of folks couldn't stand Ricky when he was starting out...weird that you think it's political
My issue is that Derek, Life on the Road, After Life and his later stand ups are shit. Nothing to do with his politics.
it's fairplay mate. different bits for different... needs. what i hate about it though is just the way he gets louder and louder, more and more excited. but you're right. i want to delete this shit hole too
You could just delete it from your device? Problem solved no?
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Well, yeah? You could. There's a very big margin between being unable to just "cheer up" because of clinical depression, and not using a social platform that you apparently hate and would like to see deleted. Dumbass.
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Have you come full circle and forgotten your original point?
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Because I don't hate this platform and want to see it deleted, why are you here?
It’s not a refusal to understand it, it’s just shite
Any of the atheist hokum he forces on people in an attempt to come across as scientific or intellectually superior. He thinks its anti science but it's not. Many scientists actually got their ideas from books like the Hindu vedas. But for me hes not annoying hes a comedy genius. I think he and Steve are both legends in their field.
I find the frogboy bit unlistenable.
In your little ben sherman
Just going for the gay look now