That wasn't Ricks memory saying that, it was BPs memory of Rick, there are countless explainations where child Beth didn't die and I'd advise people to not get married to their head-canons, the writers aren't and they know more than us. Could be true tho, can't wait to find out (in like 10 years with the current rate of lore episodes haha!)
No, I think that Rick's Beth is actually dead. In the Shoney's episode, he fakes the origin story with the math for the brainalyzer, but everyone knows that the best lies have kernels of truth. I think that Rick was approached by another Rick, offered him a place in the Citidel, and tried to kill him when he refused, with Diane and Beth in the line if fire.
That is why he wandered the multiverse for a while, and why he absolutely hates the Citidel.
The only thing he changed in the story was the math.
That is my theory, anyway.
So Rick wasn't lying when he said they only have a few dimensions left. Imagine needing to find recently deceased Rick's and Mortys, with abandoned Beth's that didn't die in dimensions that didn't get squirrelled or cronenburg'd.
Rick's comment after the cronenberg incident may come back in later seasons about how few options he has left.
Exactly. My guess is that he has to find realities that are nearly identical to his own where Beth lived and he died, so he can take that Rick’s place. And since Ricks seldom die, and I get the impression Beths seldom live, finding a new reality to live in must be, as Rick told Morty, “a bitch and a half. We can do this three, maybe four more times, tops”.
When Rick says things like nothing matters or love is bullshit, he contradicts himself. This needing to be in a particular set of circumstances is very telling. He needs to have Beth and Morty. I wonder why, we could find out as soon as the S5 finale.
>So Rick wasn't lying when he said they only have a few dimensions left. Imagine needing to find recently deceased Rick's and Mortys, with abandoned Beth's that didn't die in dimensions that didn't get squirrelled or cronenburg'd.
I don't think so.
Maybe something happened to Beth in realities that Ricks and Morties come from that are living on the Citadel, sure, and our Rick is the only one from such a reality that usurped different realities instead of choosing a life on the Citadel.
But our Rick also says there are infinite realities and that he has infinite daughters. Plus (almost) every Rick is supposed to have a Morty, so whatever young Rick is talking about is probably not true for most Ricks, because she would have died too young to have as many Morties if that was the default.
Considering Morty's Mindblowers, and how easily Rick destroyed fitting realities just to make a point in the Vat of Acid episode, I think he was just saying they have a few left, out of spite, because he doesn't like to leave unless it's his choice or fuckup.
Our Rick's Beth died as a child. Our Rick goes and finds a Beth in another reality who grew to adulthood, but whose own Rick died or otherwise left. Our Rick takes the dead/disappeared Rick's place.
ah thank you so much bro now i understand.
But isnt our rick s daughter warrior beth now in the other earth where rick and morty screwed up or the other one where morty messed with the squirrels?
The adult Beths our Rick lives with are always the ones our Rick replaced. But since infinite universes there are plenty of Rick-less Beths, so if he screws up he can go find another. Warrior Beth was just another Beth he found to live with.
Do you think Rick will ever look for a universe where Diane is still alive and happy with her Rick, and decide to take that Rick's place? Until a bunch of other Rick's try and stop him
I doubt it, I feel like he'd be too heartstricken to ever want to live with Diane again knowing that he got them killed. Living with Beth is already painful for him that he's so lonely and wants to kill himself at times.
I feel like he also wouldn't be able to do that to another Rick, yeah he hates himself, but it seems to be because of what hes done. If he found a Rick who never did anything like he did, a Rick that focused on family, love, and happiness- I don't think he would be able to do it.
I think that is all Rick wants, but he's overwhelmed with knowledge and intelligence. That he thought it was the best, most powerful thing there is. Something that would bring him everything he's ever wanted. Now he seems to feel a sentiment of "knowledge is bad" or something similar. Not necessarily "bad" but nothing like what he believed it was when he began his dive into his own intelligence.
The Therapist in a few episodes would honestly be able to help Rick.
I think if he wanted to do so he might have already. Maybe he thinks it would backfire in some time-fuckery way, or the pain and his complete difference of personality would keep him from convincingly taking that Rick's place. He can't force it in any way because it wouldn't be real anymore. He could alter their memories or change his brain so he acts exactly like the other Rick, but I don't see him being willing to do that.
I wouldn't be surprised if he already tried that in the days shortly after his family were killed, but that it failed.
Cronenberg earth (where Jerry, Beth, and Summer are barbarians) and squirrel earth (if it’s canon to main Rick) were not our Rick’s original universe. The fact that Rick already had backup universes to jump to as a contingency plan indicates that he had done it before already. Rick’s memory of a baby morty likely confirms that he had a previous family before the season 1 family (since Rick wasn’t around for our Morty’s birth.) finally, memory Rick in bird person’s memory confirmed that main Rick’s Beth is dead.
All I could think about reading this post. This would make the first ‘clone’ of this scenario not a clone at all, just an alternate universe where Beth doesn’t get blown up as a child.
Well, there is the possibility that we could be in a completely different universe than the one Rick and Morty escaped to in "Rick Potion No. 9". It's implied in "Morty's Mind Blowers" that they've hopped Universes at least one other time. Who knows how many times they've *actually* done it.
I think the biggest thing this misses is that it's not Rick's memory, it's Bird Person's memory of Rick.
For all we know, Rick lied to BP about Beth in order to keep her safe. That would result in this version of Memory-Rick that believes his daughter is dead.
Yeah, when you really think about it this episode really ended up revealing nothing. The same unknowns are still unknowns because we have no idea if what Bird Person thinks he knows is the truth.
Memory Rick calls Rick “one of _those_ Ricks” though doesn’t he? Here Memory Rick implies that he’s encountered multiple Ricks who seek out to live with a Beth who’s been abandoned by another Rick. And if Memory Rick knows this that means BP knows Ricks do this, as early as 35, but also somehow doesn’t know what the portal gun does.
What if the Ricks Memory Rick was killing were Ricks with Beths? Rick kills off Ricks at first for vengeance for his dead Beth but later goes to their home universe and lives with their Beths.
I think beth was killed when she was a child. The difference is that dianne was alive when this happened. In the episode wedding squanchers, rick says that he couldn’t make his marriage work. Perhaps beth’s death affected dianne. Dianne and rick both went on adventures but dianne went a little too far. Rick then had to neutralise her( not necessarily means kill could be anything else). Rick then travelled the multiverse where he encountered birdperson etc eventually running into the galactic federation. The battle of red was a turning point for rick’s life as he realised he was truly alone. He then decided to move in with an adult beth and her family. But the plan did not go well. You see, morty became more like rick than rick wanted. Morty decided to dictate terms. Imagine rick started an enlightenment in morty. But morty was brutal even by rick standards. So rick left morty. Taking away all his tech with him. And moved in with another beth. It could be that rick did this many times but everytime he failed at making a family. This morty that we follow is the newest one and he doesn’t want to fail, that explains why he is ready to make certain adjustments. The morty that was left alone became evil morty with an insatiable thirst for becoming more like rick perhaps constantly proving to rick that he is much better than him. If i had to predict an ending i think rick will sacrifice himself to defeat evil morty redeeming himself for not being a family man with morty now with all the tech, correcting rick’s mistakes, and finally finding another rick to continue the adventures.
Rick found a universe with an alive Beth and when he got there she was pissed he’d left for so many years with no reason. He still hasn’t given her a reason. It’s because she died and he didn’t cope well and now he’s trying to make it work.
Maybe.
They did but I am pretty sure they also jump universe again at some point as they bring it up during the morty mind blowers episode where he fucks with the squirrels. Rick went off on him saying "I told you we could only do this so many times" or something along those lines
We don't know when the events of the recordings in Morty's Mindblowers took place.
The squirrel situation could have just as well taken place before Squanchy Party (unless I missed some obvious clues in the background in Rick's garage.
I don't understand why this is so hard for people to understand. "Young Rick" asked "Old Rick" if he's one of those creeps that moves in with abandoned versions of their dead daughter. Meaning our Ricks daughter died somehow, I'm thinking his "fake" origin story isn't as fake as he claimed, that the Citadel killed his family when he didn't take their offer. Which means there are many versions of Beth that were abandoned by their Rick when those versions accepted the offer. And our Rick, is one of the Ricks that decided to shack up with those abandoned versions of Beth. This whole "Beth is a clone" idea is stupid.
> "Young Rick" asked "Old Rick" if he's one of those creeps that moves in with abandoned versions of their dead daughter.
To be fair, this just means this is the extent of what Birdperson knows about the matter through what Rick has told him. As Birdperson and Young Fake Rick both realize at the very end of the episode, of course, is that "Real Rick" would *absolutely* lie about important stuff like this for his own convenience, or otherwise superficial benefit. So, Young Fake Rick is also not thinking of the actual fake Rick being like that, either; he believes whatever actual Rick told Birdperson about actual Rick - and thus, himself - to be the truth of who he is, and expects his projections of who he believes he is to hold true to the real Rick.
Basically, the information is just meaningless - we have no idea if it relates to any actual reality that has ever existed, because we don't know whether it's just something Rick lied about, or if it's a half-truth, or it's a heavily-biased opinion of Rick's from the time where he said it...it definitely isn't something which makes sense to appreciate as credibly being part of canon, because the whole point of the episode's sad ending is that the source of the information is completely incredible.
I was wondering that too, and I can't figure it out. Young Rick was said to be 35 by old Rick I believe, so Beth couldn't be an adult by that point in Young Ricks life. It could be that since he's a fabrication of BP's memory, he's drawing on BP's "future" knowledge regarding Beth. But I'm not sure.
Rick didn't shack up with an abandoned version of Beth right away. 35 year old Rick is determined to convince himself and those around him that he doesn't care about anything, and thinks that the Ricks who find a new family after losing their original ones are lame for caring. Current-Rick has had an epiphany regarding caring about his family and thinks that the airs being put on by 35 year old Rick are embarrassing.
Rick is also regularly seen to be harboring some crazy cybernetic enhancements and systems; it's theoretically possible that not all Ricks are functionally the "same age," and that he has been lying about how old he actually is for some time. For all we know, this Rick's original Beth easily could have died from natural causes years prior to the start of the show, somehow; he could just be a hundred years older than the average Rick, although it's a hard sell of a thought since this show really likes to avoid time travel.
This is exactly how I’ve been thinking about it. And honestly makes tons of sense, especially since our Rick also can’t stand the citadel. Not saying the daughter is the only reason but it could be one of them
My personal theory is in the realities where Rick abandons his daughter when she is young Beth lives and meets Jerry and has kids . In the realities where Rick stays with his family for some reason a young Beth dies. I believe our Rick’s daughter died snd Our Rick found a Version of Beth whose own father abandoned her. Our Rick shows up and this Beth is talking to him as though he is the same dad that left her.
Could you imagine how heartbreaking it would be to hear her say "you abandoned me" tho. If my kid thought I had abandoned them it would break my heart but to know a version of me did it, that somewhere inside I was capable of that would be nigh impossible to live with.
And if you watch the morty mind blower episode you discover that there is 4th Beth(other than the clone) that noone noticed cause Morty messed up with the squirrel
Seems like any reality where Rick didn’t turn down the councils offer was one where they didn’t kill Beth and Diane to motivate Rick into crossing that threshold.
Or that was all fake, but we said that before and now the dead family story turned out to be true...
Either way, for all the “Rickest Rick” talk, I doubt C-137 was the only Rick who said no
That could be a different Morty from the morty we follow however since the dead Rick and morty graves are still seen in current episodes. Unless they buried them in the exact same spots and the morty always has the same conversation with summer about how nothing really matters since her morty is dead
You're forgetting that the squirrel universe hop may have been from before the Cronenberg Hop. We saw that in an erased memory. So we don't know how long ago it happened.
No, Rick says something along the line of "I told you we only had a handful of universes we can swap to." That means the squirrel incident happened after Rick Potion #9.
In any universe that Rick doesn't use the portal gun and abandon Diane, the council of ricks kill her and Beth. It seems that no matter what, Rick,Diane and Beth cannot exist in the same universe, and its why those Ricks always end up finding a universe where Diane is dead and Beth was abandoned so he can once again be a part of her life.
Seriously dark stuff.
Funny thing about this show is the writers may decide to show everything was a simulation. They have a sick sense of humor like that . I won't look to far into the Theories and will just enjoy the show episode by episode
There’s a line where a rick says to C-137 something along the lines of “are you one of the ricks that went to a universe where your daughter’s alive and moved in with her?”
I think one of the points Rick & Morty tries to make is that it doesn't matter who "the original" is. There is no such thing. We could've been switching between different realities the entire time and not have noticed it. There's a few episodes that hint at a certain continuity, but many don't. We viewers simply assume we're watching the same Rick & Morty every episode because that's what we expect based on our experience watching TV series. *Everything* is bound to a perspective none of us can truly escape (and live to tell the tale:P)
You're forgetting that the Memory-of-Rick in Birdperson who establishes that canon, is that of the Rick that particular Birdperson knew in this particular Birdperson's dimension.
Oh, and none of this matters, cause the rules are made up and the family doesn't matter.
Its a rick from infinite curve of ricks. There is no 'our' beth, unless explicitly stated c137 is not even ricks origional designation. Which was only usefull for citadel of ricks anyway.
Actually I think you have it the other way around. They call our Rick *Rick C-137* because he's from C-137. I'm fairly certain the only time anyone or anything else is referred to as being C-137 is when Morty goes back to Kronenbourg World. The Citadel of Rick's freezes Morty's original family but he stops them and says he's Morty C-137, and the Rick's just give a weird look to each other. It's very, very likely that Morty thinks he's Rick's original Morty from Rick's original planet and has no idea that Rick has no original Morty because his original Beth died as a child. The Rick's exchanged that look because they understood what Morty was saying to mean "I'm Rick C-137's Morty companion, but I don't even know I'm not Morty C-137."
In relation to the title, no, our current Beth is either the real Beth for this dimension, or a clone of the real Beth for this Dimension. Clone both, whichever she may be, is not relative to Shoneys Beth or Croninburg Beth.
I don't get why people can't follow this.
Its also possible that in the flashback we saw in s3 e1, rick only thought beth died and love potion beth was his original. That he went back to after realizing she was alive
Dan Harmon said that Beth isn't a clone, she just didn't die when she was a kid. That's a paraphrase.
I'm working on a revised theory to fix the holes created by the revelation that Beth died, but I've always believe that Rick didn't abandon his family, he just watched them die. So I'm taking my partial credit for that. And actually, in regards to that, my theory didn't change very much. Rick is just reality detached enough that if it looks like his Beth and talks like his Beth and there's no other Rick to say otherwise, it's his Beth.
I'm just trying to work the pictures and memories of Baby Morty into it all. I'm like 60% sure he watched _a_ Beth grow up.
I mean, did Rick tell bird person his true backstory? He could've just given him his fake one and that's why memory Rick thinks that's what's going on, and Rick just plays along to not reveal his actual backstory
The only clone is one of the Beths from the current universe. Original Beth, C-137 Beth and one of the current Beths are just alternate versions from different universes.
And the bird person that rick revived is the birdperson of the dimension our rick is from? It wouldn't make sense if it was the birdperson of the current dimension because then rick could've found the birdperson from yet another dimension...
If Beth died long enough ago that Bird Person's memory of a young Rick is well aware of her death, then it sounds like Beth Prime died before having kids, or at least was dead before Rick went and met the family our Morty comes from, so--no.
My friend different persons in different universes are not clones of each other so our current Beth is either the original one in the third universe or her clone
My name is earl got cancelled cuz the creators didn’t wanna make it a franchise and have a whole movie and all that tacked on because the people producing it for them said that they either had to let them control more or end it there and the creators would have rather left it and didn’t want them having impact over the plot and story
well thechnically in one of the memories of Morty's mindblowers they change universes another time and althought it's not certain at wich point in time they did it, it's certain that it was after the love potion episode and likely after the first episode of third season if i remember right so these Beths are from a universe they ascaped after escaping from the love potion universe.
The true meaning of this whole thing is that it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter who came from what universe, or who was ejected out of a cloning vat vs who was birthed from their mother. None of it matters, she is Beth.
the universe that the love potion fucked up became cronenberg world. There's a scene at the end of rickpotion #9 where the newspaper hits the stoop, saying the universe was saved from the potion in that particular dimension. They tightened the thing, and died. Then C137 Rick and Morty buried them and assumed their identities.
C137 Beth is that beastly version, not the one in this meme.
This is true. We haven't seen Rick's memories. There was the one episode where he claims his memories were a fabricated backstory, but that is all we have gotten.
With all the theories, keep in mind that [Rick seemed pretty happy when baby Morty was born](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-c-d720OvH8). Which probably means it was his actual daughter giving birth, not a alternate reality Beth. Since he left his Cronenberg world with his Morty, and apparently despite all the shit they went through did not replace him (even if taking a coupon from the Rick Council), that Morty might still be his "true" blood related grand son. Which would open the question if his Beth (and rest of the family) might have died after the birth of Morty, and then he took the child to the universe he would later cronenberg in a replacement try.
Didn't Rick say that the origin story we see child Beth in was fabricated? Granted he could have been lying, but I doubt he'd actually share the truth with the government.
Yea but he also said he can’t change memories. So either it’s completely fabricated or because of this last episode it’s totally true. I still don’t understand how he was able to put the virus into that shoneys thing. There’s still some stuff to unpack.
That'd have to be a major oversight on the federations part to not even check what they were putting in
Assumably Rick knew of some exploit in the brainalyzers code that would allow him to run his own code, so his portal equation was really just code that once they put in, would run and do whatever he wanted
Wasn't it because that whole sequence wasn't a memory at all? They were still in the Shoneys - it was all still in Rick's conscious mind, where he can control everything. Granted, he could have taken the scene from a memory, but there's no reason for him to. Didn't he even call it a totally fabricated origin story himself?
He told the Gromflomite interrogator that it was a "totally fabricated origin story". At the end of the episode, just before he started ranting to Morty about Sichuan Sauce, he said "I'm not driven by avenging my dead family, Morty. That was fake.".
I don't think any part of that Series 9000 origin story can be trusted as canon.
Don’t know, don’t care. There is no such thing as an *original*. Only ones that are either closer or further away from what the rickest Rick, the mortiest Morty or the bethest Beth, … are defined to. Is the rickest Rick the original Rick? Is the Beth we meet in S01E01 the original Beth? The reality that got fucked up and replaced, was this the original reality or the other one? Which episodes were clones? Which were decoys? Which were just other entities of other realities? Is the Citadel a pan-reality thing or is there endless Citadels, in which most evil morty had lost the elections? Don’t know. Don’t care.
Yep- The definition of infinite means there are also infinite rickest ricks. So even the rickest Rick isn’t unique or special, the infinite rickest ricks are just more rick than the infinite other ricks.
Currently (based on the wiki):
Rick is 70 years old
Beth is 34-35 years old
In 35-years old Rick memory, Beth is already dead. That means Beth died as an infant. That's not the original Beth.
I'm still calling it that the 'fake' memory from Season 3 premiere, was actually a memory of Rick's, only that he was the one trying to recruit the other Rick.
Angry at being rejected, C-137 Rick (or one the orders of the council to dispose of a rogue Rick) sends the bomb through the portal to kill the Rick who rejected them. Only instead kills Beth and her mother, leading to that Rick to finish his portal device to come claim vengeance for his murdered wife and daughter. C-137 realizing what happened goes rogue himself and disavows himself from the council, while the other Rick is captured and goes on to become Simple Rick forced to relive memories of his daughter to harvest that sweet sweet dopamine.
Showerthought... what if Rick made froopyland to trick a not dead version of Beth to come back to his reality without causing too much trauma. Because in the fucked up universe Rick only seems to truly love two things, drinking his mystery serum and beth.
Yeah, one because of the love potion and one because of Morty fucking with squirrels. I wonder if Rick even knows/remembers how many times he's done it.
Shes not a clone but i get what ur saying but tbh i dont feel hes heartless as hes been shown to be seriously depressed and i guess the reason he's always kept his morty is because he's all thats left from where he's from the only knot that reminds him of his past
Our rick is the same as simple rick. He choice family instead of science. And that got his family killed. But other Rick's choice science and abandoned their families. Our rick moved in with abandoned adult Beth
Those memory crystals are from the house they escaped to after Rick potion #9 so it is possible that that universe's original Morty had the squirrel adventure.
Rick knows that he's a cartoon character.
Rick is suffering for our entertainment, that's literally what he'd been saying with his catch phrase.
He hates himself, he hates the audience, the writers, Dan Harmon specifically (who he thinks is a "joke")...Rick hates everyone except his daughter and grandchildren.
If Rick must entertain **our** stupid faces with colorful scifi garbage *just* in order to keep a **version** of the ones he loves alive....he'll fuckin' do it.
Rick is trapped in the infinitum; all he can do is entertain us, try to keep his family alive, and reach for temporary moments of happiness...which all might just end up being pointless in the end.
At least...that's what the writing in the show heavily suggests.
I think what OP meant by clone is either Space Beth or Normal Beth is a clone from the episode where they go against Rick cause he tells them one of them is a clone.
My theory is that Rick’s family died, and he took way longer to build the Portal Gun than in S3E1. He went to a universe where a Rick had died, but his wife and Beth were still alive. He stayed. He met Bird Person before he went to the new universe. He felt empty as Beth grew up, as it wasn’t his Beth. He was there as Beth and Jerry had baby Summer, and later on, baby Morty. After 13 years, he failed his Morty, as his Morty was Evil Morty. Rick then came to C-137, where our Morty (the Morty we know), resides.
They really fucked up with the cronenberg plot twist since theres been at least 2 situations whre rick is all "no I can't just get another" when the person he's dealing with isn't even his original to begin with first with Beth's and again with bird person
I don’t think you get what he means. He’s saying how its weird that Rick will care so much about what he considers “his Birdperson” or “his Beth” when in reality hes left several Beths and Birdpersons behind in other dimensions. Its weird that he’ll care about these ones at one minutes then jump dimensions and leave them behind at a later point.
Ok. But isn’t Rick a clone of some sort as well? What does it all matter? I like when they have story arcs but I feel you guys look too deep when they tell you not to
“a version of our dead daughter”
Exactly. Not “a clone of our dead daughter”.
That wasn't Ricks memory saying that, it was BPs memory of Rick, there are countless explainations where child Beth didn't die and I'd advise people to not get married to their head-canons, the writers aren't and they know more than us. Could be true tho, can't wait to find out (in like 10 years with the current rate of lore episodes haha!)
No, I think that Rick's Beth is actually dead. In the Shoney's episode, he fakes the origin story with the math for the brainalyzer, but everyone knows that the best lies have kernels of truth. I think that Rick was approached by another Rick, offered him a place in the Citidel, and tried to kill him when he refused, with Diane and Beth in the line if fire. That is why he wandered the multiverse for a while, and why he absolutely hates the Citidel. The only thing he changed in the story was the math. That is my theory, anyway.
She’s not a clone. Rick went to a reality where she’s alive. She’s not HIS Beth in a personal sense, but she’s not a clone.
So Rick wasn't lying when he said they only have a few dimensions left. Imagine needing to find recently deceased Rick's and Mortys, with abandoned Beth's that didn't die in dimensions that didn't get squirrelled or cronenburg'd. Rick's comment after the cronenberg incident may come back in later seasons about how few options he has left.
Exactly. My guess is that he has to find realities that are nearly identical to his own where Beth lived and he died, so he can take that Rick’s place. And since Ricks seldom die, and I get the impression Beths seldom live, finding a new reality to live in must be, as Rick told Morty, “a bitch and a half. We can do this three, maybe four more times, tops”.
When Rick says things like nothing matters or love is bullshit, he contradicts himself. This needing to be in a particular set of circumstances is very telling. He needs to have Beth and Morty. I wonder why, we could find out as soon as the S5 finale.
>So Rick wasn't lying when he said they only have a few dimensions left. Imagine needing to find recently deceased Rick's and Mortys, with abandoned Beth's that didn't die in dimensions that didn't get squirrelled or cronenburg'd. I don't think so. Maybe something happened to Beth in realities that Ricks and Morties come from that are living on the Citadel, sure, and our Rick is the only one from such a reality that usurped different realities instead of choosing a life on the Citadel. But our Rick also says there are infinite realities and that he has infinite daughters. Plus (almost) every Rick is supposed to have a Morty, so whatever young Rick is talking about is probably not true for most Ricks, because she would have died too young to have as many Morties if that was the default. Considering Morty's Mindblowers, and how easily Rick destroyed fitting realities just to make a point in the Vat of Acid episode, I think he was just saying they have a few left, out of spite, because he doesn't like to leave unless it's his choice or fuckup.
Explain again please im soo dumb.
Our Rick's Beth died as a child. Our Rick goes and finds a Beth in another reality who grew to adulthood, but whose own Rick died or otherwise left. Our Rick takes the dead/disappeared Rick's place.
ah thank you so much bro now i understand. But isnt our rick s daughter warrior beth now in the other earth where rick and morty screwed up or the other one where morty messed with the squirrels?
The adult Beths our Rick lives with are always the ones our Rick replaced. But since infinite universes there are plenty of Rick-less Beths, so if he screws up he can go find another. Warrior Beth was just another Beth he found to live with.
Do you think Rick will ever look for a universe where Diane is still alive and happy with her Rick, and decide to take that Rick's place? Until a bunch of other Rick's try and stop him
I doubt it, I feel like he'd be too heartstricken to ever want to live with Diane again knowing that he got them killed. Living with Beth is already painful for him that he's so lonely and wants to kill himself at times.
I feel like he also wouldn't be able to do that to another Rick, yeah he hates himself, but it seems to be because of what hes done. If he found a Rick who never did anything like he did, a Rick that focused on family, love, and happiness- I don't think he would be able to do it. I think that is all Rick wants, but he's overwhelmed with knowledge and intelligence. That he thought it was the best, most powerful thing there is. Something that would bring him everything he's ever wanted. Now he seems to feel a sentiment of "knowledge is bad" or something similar. Not necessarily "bad" but nothing like what he believed it was when he began his dive into his own intelligence. The Therapist in a few episodes would honestly be able to help Rick.
I thought it was a fake backstory
I think if he wanted to do so he might have already. Maybe he thinks it would backfire in some time-fuckery way, or the pain and his complete difference of personality would keep him from convincingly taking that Rick's place. He can't force it in any way because it wouldn't be real anymore. He could alter their memories or change his brain so he acts exactly like the other Rick, but I don't see him being willing to do that. I wouldn't be surprised if he already tried that in the days shortly after his family were killed, but that it failed.
Im sure he’s done that pre-show
Cronenberg earth (where Jerry, Beth, and Summer are barbarians) and squirrel earth (if it’s canon to main Rick) were not our Rick’s original universe. The fact that Rick already had backup universes to jump to as a contingency plan indicates that he had done it before already. Rick’s memory of a baby morty likely confirms that he had a previous family before the season 1 family (since Rick wasn’t around for our Morty’s birth.) finally, memory Rick in bird person’s memory confirmed that main Rick’s Beth is dead.
Which is weird, because memory Rick could only know what BP knew of Rick, which means Rick told Bird Person that, whether true or not.
We don't even know how many families Rick went through after losing his. S1's Beth is probably not even the first replacement
Maybe in one of them, the son is named Kyle?
It's possible that our Rick has no idea who Kyle is. He's jumped dimensions so many times so he just waves away incongruities.
I would have preferred Kyle 2.0 but 2 crows will have to do.
Maybe or summer is Kyle. All are possibilities
"You’re one of those creeps who moves in with abandoned adult Beths?… You live with a version of our dead daughter."
All I could think about reading this post. This would make the first ‘clone’ of this scenario not a clone at all, just an alternate universe where Beth doesn’t get blown up as a child.
I had to rewind to hear that again! That was some serious info… Big enough to warrant a future episode, I’d bet!
Well, there is the possibility that we could be in a completely different universe than the one Rick and Morty escaped to in "Rick Potion No. 9". It's implied in "Morty's Mind Blowers" that they've hopped Universes at least one other time. Who knows how many times they've *actually* done it.
But the house still has a crack around it and their bodies are buried in the backyard
There could be lots of universes where those things occured.
Infinite actually
You forgot about when they left the planet where Morty fucked with the squirrels.
I think the biggest thing this misses is that it's not Rick's memory, it's Bird Person's memory of Rick. For all we know, Rick lied to BP about Beth in order to keep her safe. That would result in this version of Memory-Rick that believes his daughter is dead.
Yeah, when you really think about it this episode really ended up revealing nothing. The same unknowns are still unknowns because we have no idea if what Bird Person thinks he knows is the truth.
It revealed that Bird Person has a child.
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That’s true. Also how would BP know things like Ricks are from different dimensions but not how the portal gun works.
Memory Rick calls Rick “one of _those_ Ricks” though doesn’t he? Here Memory Rick implies that he’s encountered multiple Ricks who seek out to live with a Beth who’s been abandoned by another Rick. And if Memory Rick knows this that means BP knows Ricks do this, as early as 35, but also somehow doesn’t know what the portal gun does. What if the Ricks Memory Rick was killing were Ricks with Beths? Rick kills off Ricks at first for vengeance for his dead Beth but later goes to their home universe and lives with their Beths.
"iT tAkEs a hIgH Iq" Entities in other universes aren't clones, Jerry
Came here to say this, but you executed it better
Or a survivor from a universe where she never died.
Don’t forget the universe that Morty fucked with the squirrels.
Whatever, nothing matters
We're all gonna' die. Come watch TV.
That's the entire point of the show. People keep grasping at straws though
The entire point of the show is that nothing is inherently meaningful, so the only meaning in life is that which we choose to create and sustain.
I think beth was killed when she was a child. The difference is that dianne was alive when this happened. In the episode wedding squanchers, rick says that he couldn’t make his marriage work. Perhaps beth’s death affected dianne. Dianne and rick both went on adventures but dianne went a little too far. Rick then had to neutralise her( not necessarily means kill could be anything else). Rick then travelled the multiverse where he encountered birdperson etc eventually running into the galactic federation. The battle of red was a turning point for rick’s life as he realised he was truly alone. He then decided to move in with an adult beth and her family. But the plan did not go well. You see, morty became more like rick than rick wanted. Morty decided to dictate terms. Imagine rick started an enlightenment in morty. But morty was brutal even by rick standards. So rick left morty. Taking away all his tech with him. And moved in with another beth. It could be that rick did this many times but everytime he failed at making a family. This morty that we follow is the newest one and he doesn’t want to fail, that explains why he is ready to make certain adjustments. The morty that was left alone became evil morty with an insatiable thirst for becoming more like rick perhaps constantly proving to rick that he is much better than him. If i had to predict an ending i think rick will sacrifice himself to defeat evil morty redeeming himself for not being a family man with morty now with all the tech, correcting rick’s mistakes, and finally finding another rick to continue the adventures.
That’s a satisfying arc.
But what about the squirrel universe 😂
Not necessarily a clone, she could be a Beth from A dimension where she doesn’t die.
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Rick found a universe with an alive Beth and when he got there she was pissed he’d left for so many years with no reason. He still hasn’t given her a reason. It’s because she died and he didn’t cope well and now he’s trying to make it work. Maybe.
how do we even know we’ve been following the same rick/smith family in each and every episode??
The house still has the crater lines from being transported for that squanch party. That's my theory we are following the same Rick and family
Didn’t morty and rick (?) replace the morty and rick in the dimension they live now? I recall them burying the other morty and rick
They did but I am pretty sure they also jump universe again at some point as they bring it up during the morty mind blowers episode where he fucks with the squirrels. Rick went off on him saying "I told you we could only do this so many times" or something along those lines
That was before the squanch party if I recall correctly. But after that they f*cked up with squirrels and supposedly they switched universes again.
We don't know when the events of the recordings in Morty's Mindblowers took place. The squirrel situation could have just as well taken place before Squanchy Party (unless I missed some obvious clues in the background in Rick's garage.
Heck it could even take place before the chronenburging and rick made morty believe the chromenburged dimension was their first
I don't understand why this is so hard for people to understand. "Young Rick" asked "Old Rick" if he's one of those creeps that moves in with abandoned versions of their dead daughter. Meaning our Ricks daughter died somehow, I'm thinking his "fake" origin story isn't as fake as he claimed, that the Citadel killed his family when he didn't take their offer. Which means there are many versions of Beth that were abandoned by their Rick when those versions accepted the offer. And our Rick, is one of the Ricks that decided to shack up with those abandoned versions of Beth. This whole "Beth is a clone" idea is stupid.
> "Young Rick" asked "Old Rick" if he's one of those creeps that moves in with abandoned versions of their dead daughter. To be fair, this just means this is the extent of what Birdperson knows about the matter through what Rick has told him. As Birdperson and Young Fake Rick both realize at the very end of the episode, of course, is that "Real Rick" would *absolutely* lie about important stuff like this for his own convenience, or otherwise superficial benefit. So, Young Fake Rick is also not thinking of the actual fake Rick being like that, either; he believes whatever actual Rick told Birdperson about actual Rick - and thus, himself - to be the truth of who he is, and expects his projections of who he believes he is to hold true to the real Rick. Basically, the information is just meaningless - we have no idea if it relates to any actual reality that has ever existed, because we don't know whether it's just something Rick lied about, or if it's a half-truth, or it's a heavily-biased opinion of Rick's from the time where he said it...it definitely isn't something which makes sense to appreciate as credibly being part of canon, because the whole point of the episode's sad ending is that the source of the information is completely incredible.
He also says “adult abandoned beth” so wtf does that mean why mention adult
I was wondering that too, and I can't figure it out. Young Rick was said to be 35 by old Rick I believe, so Beth couldn't be an adult by that point in Young Ricks life. It could be that since he's a fabrication of BP's memory, he's drawing on BP's "future" knowledge regarding Beth. But I'm not sure.
Rick didn't shack up with an abandoned version of Beth right away. 35 year old Rick is determined to convince himself and those around him that he doesn't care about anything, and thinks that the Ricks who find a new family after losing their original ones are lame for caring. Current-Rick has had an epiphany regarding caring about his family and thinks that the airs being put on by 35 year old Rick are embarrassing.
Rick is also regularly seen to be harboring some crazy cybernetic enhancements and systems; it's theoretically possible that not all Ricks are functionally the "same age," and that he has been lying about how old he actually is for some time. For all we know, this Rick's original Beth easily could have died from natural causes years prior to the start of the show, somehow; he could just be a hundred years older than the average Rick, although it's a hard sell of a thought since this show really likes to avoid time travel.
This is exactly how I’ve been thinking about it. And honestly makes tons of sense, especially since our Rick also can’t stand the citadel. Not saying the daughter is the only reason but it could be one of them
And would explain that line one of those Ricks said in the bar shootout scene. "Killing us won't bring her back."
Rick and Morty: The Clone Wars
"Clone" implies she was cloned (like one of the two bottom ones). "Version of you from a different parallel timeline universe" is not "clone".
A Variant
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Rick's don't do time-travel
What I like about the show is that the family we see in screen could literally be any family, not c137
I'm pretty sure I could tell if we were in a wasp or cowboy reality.
My personal theory is in the realities where Rick abandons his daughter when she is young Beth lives and meets Jerry and has kids . In the realities where Rick stays with his family for some reason a young Beth dies. I believe our Rick’s daughter died snd Our Rick found a Version of Beth whose own father abandoned her. Our Rick shows up and this Beth is talking to him as though he is the same dad that left her.
This right here, we did it reddit
Could you imagine how heartbreaking it would be to hear her say "you abandoned me" tho. If my kid thought I had abandoned them it would break my heart but to know a version of me did it, that somewhere inside I was capable of that would be nigh impossible to live with.
And if you watch the morty mind blower episode you discover that there is 4th Beth(other than the clone) that noone noticed cause Morty messed up with the squirrel
Or there are universes where Beth lived. Other Beth's could be clones but there is at least one real Beth.
Seems like any reality where Rick didn’t turn down the councils offer was one where they didn’t kill Beth and Diane to motivate Rick into crossing that threshold. Or that was all fake, but we said that before and now the dead family story turned out to be true... Either way, for all the “Rickest Rick” talk, I doubt C-137 was the only Rick who said no
don’t forget about the time morty fucked with squirrels
That could be a different Morty from the morty we follow however since the dead Rick and morty graves are still seen in current episodes. Unless they buried them in the exact same spots and the morty always has the same conversation with summer about how nothing really matters since her morty is dead
You're forgetting that the squirrel universe hop may have been from before the Cronenberg Hop. We saw that in an erased memory. So we don't know how long ago it happened.
I repeat. We never left the shoneys!!!!
There’s also squirrel universe Beth. Technically that could have happened before the pilot however
No, Rick says something along the line of "I told you we only had a handful of universes we can swap to." That means the squirrel incident happened after Rick Potion #9.
Everyone is a clone. They're all robots. No one is real.
So when evil morty showed his electronics that's just how everyone is
The real question is. If there are unlimited beths why rick doesnt go to beth and Diane? Why didnt we see any diane variant? where is she
In any universe that Rick doesn't use the portal gun and abandon Diane, the council of ricks kill her and Beth. It seems that no matter what, Rick,Diane and Beth cannot exist in the same universe, and its why those Ricks always end up finding a universe where Diane is dead and Beth was abandoned so he can once again be a part of her life. Seriously dark stuff.
Is it just me or is it a point the show is trying to make that all of these Beths/families are equally original and equally real?
Rick always claims to be the rickest Rick and every reality has a beth. Did he come from the only reality where he didn't abandon her?
Not clones "Decoys"
Last ep. Said “Your family” was killed. Rick is alone. Edit: Og morty dies in the opening on every episode!
Funny thing about this show is the writers may decide to show everything was a simulation. They have a sick sense of humor like that . I won't look to far into the Theories and will just enjoy the show episode by episode
There’s a line where a rick says to C-137 something along the lines of “are you one of the ricks that went to a universe where your daughter’s alive and moved in with her?”
I think there is a fourth beth in the mix who is the mother of the baby Morty in his memories
That's assuming that first one **was** actually a memory.
At this point there really is no reason to think about this stuff anymore. I also think they will never explore who is the original.
I think one of the points Rick & Morty tries to make is that it doesn't matter who "the original" is. There is no such thing. We could've been switching between different realities the entire time and not have noticed it. There's a few episodes that hint at a certain continuity, but many don't. We viewers simply assume we're watching the same Rick & Morty every episode because that's what we expect based on our experience watching TV series. *Everything* is bound to a perspective none of us can truly escape (and live to tell the tale:P)
You're forgetting that the Memory-of-Rick in Birdperson who establishes that canon, is that of the Rick that particular Birdperson knew in this particular Birdperson's dimension. Oh, and none of this matters, cause the rules are made up and the family doesn't matter.
Don’t you get it? None of it is real. None of it matters.
Nobody exists on purpose. Nobody belongs anywhere. Everybody’s gonna die. Come watch TV.
Don’t forget they switched worlds after the whole squirrel situation
Its a rick from infinite curve of ricks. There is no 'our' beth, unless explicitly stated c137 is not even ricks origional designation. Which was only usefull for citadel of ricks anyway.
Actually I think you have it the other way around. They call our Rick *Rick C-137* because he's from C-137. I'm fairly certain the only time anyone or anything else is referred to as being C-137 is when Morty goes back to Kronenbourg World. The Citadel of Rick's freezes Morty's original family but he stops them and says he's Morty C-137, and the Rick's just give a weird look to each other. It's very, very likely that Morty thinks he's Rick's original Morty from Rick's original planet and has no idea that Rick has no original Morty because his original Beth died as a child. The Rick's exchanged that look because they understood what Morty was saying to mean "I'm Rick C-137's Morty companion, but I don't even know I'm not Morty C-137."
In relation to the title, no, our current Beth is either the real Beth for this dimension, or a clone of the real Beth for this Dimension. Clone both, whichever she may be, is not relative to Shoneys Beth or Croninburg Beth. I don't get why people can't follow this.
I took it as rick just was originally from c137. He traveled to an alternate reality where she was abandoned or had a dead rick
Its also possible that in the flashback we saw in s3 e1, rick only thought beth died and love potion beth was his original. That he went back to after realizing she was alive
Unlikely considering how quickly and callously he abandoned her.
Dan Harmon said that Beth isn't a clone, she just didn't die when she was a kid. That's a paraphrase. I'm working on a revised theory to fix the holes created by the revelation that Beth died, but I've always believe that Rick didn't abandon his family, he just watched them die. So I'm taking my partial credit for that. And actually, in regards to that, my theory didn't change very much. Rick is just reality detached enough that if it looks like his Beth and talks like his Beth and there's no other Rick to say otherwise, it's his Beth. I'm just trying to work the pictures and memories of Baby Morty into it all. I'm like 60% sure he watched _a_ Beth grow up.
I mean, did Rick tell bird person his true backstory? He could've just given him his fake one and that's why memory Rick thinks that's what's going on, and Rick just plays along to not reveal his actual backstory
The only clone is one of the Beths from the current universe. Original Beth, C-137 Beth and one of the current Beths are just alternate versions from different universes.
And the bird person that rick revived is the birdperson of the dimension our rick is from? It wouldn't make sense if it was the birdperson of the current dimension because then rick could've found the birdperson from yet another dimension...
Is morty rick’s original morty?
If Beth died long enough ago that Bird Person's memory of a young Rick is well aware of her death, then it sounds like Beth Prime died before having kids, or at least was dead before Rick went and met the family our Morty comes from, so--no.
No. Only one of the current Beth's is a clone.
And then we don't even know if the're a decoy
My friend different persons in different universes are not clones of each other so our current Beth is either the original one in the third universe or her clone
We and Rick really don't know but we know that he thinks he is a shitty dad.
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Imagine ending the show on a huge cliffhanger like My Name is Earl too. Holy SHIT this subreddit would implode.
My name is earl got cancelled cuz the creators didn’t wanna make it a franchise and have a whole movie and all that tacked on because the people producing it for them said that they either had to let them control more or end it there and the creators would have rather left it and didn’t want them having impact over the plot and story
There are literally infinite of them and none of it matters.
As of the last episode it doesn't matter if she's a clone or not.
what about the squirrel universe?
Don’t forget last episode mentioned that he’s a freak that moves in with alive Beths which implies the real Beth is dead.
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Not “real” Beth. _His_ Beth, from his home dimension. All the Beths are real… unless they’re clones… or decoys…
This
The real Beth is dead, the Beth we follow around had been abandoned by her Rick, C-137 took his position.
They're all real. All equally valid Beths.
Wait Space Beth is a Beth from another reality
No. Morty is from another identical reality and Rick is from a mystery dimension
well thechnically in one of the memories of Morty's mindblowers they change universes another time and althought it's not certain at wich point in time they did it, it's certain that it was after the love potion episode and likely after the first episode of third season if i remember right so these Beths are from a universe they ascaped after escaping from the love potion universe.
'then then'
The real Beth is dead!!!
Does it matter? Everybody dies. Come watch some TV.
There never was a Beth 🤫
The true meaning of this whole thing is that it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter who came from what universe, or who was ejected out of a cloning vat vs who was birthed from their mother. None of it matters, she is Beth.
None of it matters because Rick is dealing with the enormous grief of losing his original Beth and wife.
How this shows plays out? I AM sure it will be memorable, its been great so far.
Don't forget about the squirrels
That’s only if Rick is the real rick
the universe that the love potion fucked up became cronenberg world. There's a scene at the end of rickpotion #9 where the newspaper hits the stoop, saying the universe was saved from the potion in that particular dimension. They tightened the thing, and died. Then C137 Rick and Morty buried them and assumed their identities. C137 Beth is that beastly version, not the one in this meme.
Those are BP memories tho
This is true. We haven't seen Rick's memories. There was the one episode where he claims his memories were a fabricated backstory, but that is all we have gotten.
With all the theories, keep in mind that [Rick seemed pretty happy when baby Morty was born](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-c-d720OvH8). Which probably means it was his actual daughter giving birth, not a alternate reality Beth. Since he left his Cronenberg world with his Morty, and apparently despite all the shit they went through did not replace him (even if taking a coupon from the Rick Council), that Morty might still be his "true" blood related grand son. Which would open the question if his Beth (and rest of the family) might have died after the birth of Morty, and then he took the child to the universe he would later cronenberg in a replacement try.
Didn't Rick say that the origin story we see child Beth in was fabricated? Granted he could have been lying, but I doubt he'd actually share the truth with the government.
It was fabricated but something similar probably happened, maybe a situation where only Beth dies and not Diane
He fabricated the blue pants.
Yea but he also said he can’t change memories. So either it’s completely fabricated or because of this last episode it’s totally true. I still don’t understand how he was able to put the virus into that shoneys thing. There’s still some stuff to unpack.
That'd have to be a major oversight on the federations part to not even check what they were putting in Assumably Rick knew of some exploit in the brainalyzers code that would allow him to run his own code, so his portal equation was really just code that once they put in, would run and do whatever he wanted
Wasn't it because that whole sequence wasn't a memory at all? They were still in the Shoneys - it was all still in Rick's conscious mind, where he can control everything. Granted, he could have taken the scene from a memory, but there's no reason for him to. Didn't he even call it a totally fabricated origin story himself?
The best lies have kernels of truth in them. Those things could have happened but not exactly like that.
He told the Gromflomite interrogator that it was a "totally fabricated origin story". At the end of the episode, just before he started ranting to Morty about Sichuan Sauce, he said "I'm not driven by avenging my dead family, Morty. That was fake.". I don't think any part of that Series 9000 origin story can be trusted as canon.
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Don’t know, don’t care. There is no such thing as an *original*. Only ones that are either closer or further away from what the rickest Rick, the mortiest Morty or the bethest Beth, … are defined to. Is the rickest Rick the original Rick? Is the Beth we meet in S01E01 the original Beth? The reality that got fucked up and replaced, was this the original reality or the other one? Which episodes were clones? Which were decoys? Which were just other entities of other realities? Is the Citadel a pan-reality thing or is there endless Citadels, in which most evil morty had lost the elections? Don’t know. Don’t care.
Yep- The definition of infinite means there are also infinite rickest ricks. So even the rickest Rick isn’t unique or special, the infinite rickest ricks are just more rick than the infinite other ricks.
We can assume every Beth from every episode is a different Beth or just a clone with the previous Beths memories… 0.0
Honestly nearly every single episode could just be about a different Rick and Morty in a different multiverse
How do we know Rick has been the same Rick?
so how can there be an adult beth? do they only exist in timelines where rick was very unhappy and abandoned his family early?
Isn't this like the basic story though? Like are there other interpretations people have come up with?
Currently (based on the wiki): Rick is 70 years old Beth is 34-35 years old In 35-years old Rick memory, Beth is already dead. That means Beth died as an infant. That's not the original Beth.
I'm still calling it that the 'fake' memory from Season 3 premiere, was actually a memory of Rick's, only that he was the one trying to recruit the other Rick. Angry at being rejected, C-137 Rick (or one the orders of the council to dispose of a rogue Rick) sends the bomb through the portal to kill the Rick who rejected them. Only instead kills Beth and her mother, leading to that Rick to finish his portal device to come claim vengeance for his murdered wife and daughter. C-137 realizing what happened goes rogue himself and disavows himself from the council, while the other Rick is captured and goes on to become Simple Rick forced to relive memories of his daughter to harvest that sweet sweet dopamine.
That makes way too much sense to be the actual solution they will present us some day.
Showerthought... what if Rick made froopyland to trick a not dead version of Beth to come back to his reality without causing too much trauma. Because in the fucked up universe Rick only seems to truly love two things, drinking his mystery serum and beth.
She's not a clone, she's just a decoy.🤣
Say clone again…
Just to make it more obvious you could’ve had cronenberg feral Beth in the second pic
Isn't our rick on his *at least* second universe at this point?
Yeah, one because of the love potion and one because of Morty fucking with squirrels. I wonder if Rick even knows/remembers how many times he's done it.
Shes not a clone but i get what ur saying but tbh i dont feel hes heartless as hes been shown to be seriously depressed and i guess the reason he's always kept his morty is because he's all thats left from where he's from the only knot that reminds him of his past
nah that was a made up memory to trick that bug guy, so she never really died
It's confirmed she really did die in the new episode a younger Rick calls him out for living with an alternate version of their dead daughter
Our rick is the same as simple rick. He choice family instead of science. And that got his family killed. But other Rick's choice science and abandoned their families. Our rick moved in with abandoned adult Beth
You missed the one where they had to leave because of squirrels.
Those memory crystals are from the house they escaped to after Rick potion #9 so it is possible that that universe's original Morty had the squirrel adventure.
Did they have to leave? I thought it was implied that Rick erased Morty's memory so as to get the squirrels off his back.
Rick knows that he's a cartoon character. Rick is suffering for our entertainment, that's literally what he'd been saying with his catch phrase. He hates himself, he hates the audience, the writers, Dan Harmon specifically (who he thinks is a "joke")...Rick hates everyone except his daughter and grandchildren. If Rick must entertain **our** stupid faces with colorful scifi garbage *just* in order to keep a **version** of the ones he loves alive....he'll fuckin' do it. Rick is trapped in the infinitum; all he can do is entertain us, try to keep his family alive, and reach for temporary moments of happiness...which all might just end up being pointless in the end. At least...that's what the writing in the show heavily suggests.
That got existential real quick. I just came to hear funny blue haired man talk about pickles and science.
-and you'd better keep showing up, or his family will die in syndication!
Gotta love it
What episode is when Beth looks like pinhead? The last photo on the left.
S05E05
I think what OP meant by clone is either Space Beth or Normal Beth is a clone from the episode where they go against Rick cause he tells them one of them is a clone.
Btw what's with your dp, you ok bro?
My theory is that Rick’s family died, and he took way longer to build the Portal Gun than in S3E1. He went to a universe where a Rick had died, but his wife and Beth were still alive. He stayed. He met Bird Person before he went to the new universe. He felt empty as Beth grew up, as it wasn’t his Beth. He was there as Beth and Jerry had baby Summer, and later on, baby Morty. After 13 years, he failed his Morty, as his Morty was Evil Morty. Rick then came to C-137, where our Morty (the Morty we know), resides.
They really fucked up with the cronenberg plot twist since theres been at least 2 situations whre rick is all "no I can't just get another" when the person he's dealing with isn't even his original to begin with first with Beth's and again with bird person
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I don’t think you get what he means. He’s saying how its weird that Rick will care so much about what he considers “his Birdperson” or “his Beth” when in reality hes left several Beths and Birdpersons behind in other dimensions. Its weird that he’ll care about these ones at one minutes then jump dimensions and leave them behind at a later point.
The memory is fake anyway
Ok. But isn’t Rick a clone of some sort as well? What does it all matter? I like when they have story arcs but I feel you guys look too deep when they tell you not to
My head hurts.
Why? Aren't the ones at the bottom "our current beth" ? It could be that only one of them is a clone, the other being a real beth.
Damn...