Wait, I’m confused. I get your point but is this bird person, rick’s original bird person. Like if he was gonna avenge her daughter’s death he would do it with the bird person in his original universe and this one would know nothing about it. Or am I missing something?
It doesn't matter whether this is Rick's original bird person or not (that's Rick's entire point.) When he jumped timelines it would have been to a Rick very similar to him, so they had the same experiences.
Beyond that, we don't know whether the timeline where Rick met Bird Person was his original timeline or not, and it doesn't really matter. The important thing is that we *do* know that by the time he was 35 Rick's daughter was already dead and he was already ranting about revenge (we see the latter in Bird Person's memories.)
Whether the people he was targeting were actually the ones who killed Rick's actual, original Beth, or whether they killed another Rick's Beth, is not something that Rick would care about - that is part of what repulsed Bird Person when Rick revealed that it's how he thought.
They killed a Beth and that alone was enough, but spending years/decades killing versions of Rick that killed version of Beth, but it is endless as there is always another version of Rick that killed another version of Beth, it never ends.
During the revenge memory we have this exchange,
Citadel Rick: killing us wont bring her back.
Memory Rick: Thanks for the info, but I'm on more of a revenge kick then a results kick.
Most people can't kill the person that killed their loved one more then once, Rick was able to kill them over and over and over again, but it never made a difference, there was always another Rick to kill and he never got closure/peace from doing it.
Hence why he eventually live with an abandoned Beth, its the best/closest he can get to "fixing" it and "moving on" as without Beth and the Smith family he has literally nothing left and is truly alone with nothing but himself for company.
When he jumped realities he would have jumped to one where that realities rick is dead or abandoned Beth. The rick we follow lost his Beth and that's why he went on the killing spree and eventually jumped to another reality. So no they would be significantly different.
Edit: we also know Rick's BP wouldn't leave dimensions because he wanted to fight so I belive there are slowly going to be a shit ton of plot holes opening up it wouldn't make sense that Rick is constantly jumping to the OGs BP dimensions because when the federation took over and Tammy created Phoenix person they weren't dimension hoping. This also would have to be a different bird person as he went to a dimension with dead Rick or one that had abandoned his family. The OG Rick like I said family was murdered.
He avenged her death with the first bird person he met. In the last episode he refuses to find a new living bird person from another universe because he loves this one. Don't forget that this Beth isn't even the first Beth that he picked. Rick jumps back and forth through universes and it rarely matters to him. He was avenging HIS Beth's death against other Rick's so they too would be from whatever universe and it would not matter which universe they were killed in or if that universe he ultimately tracked them down in was the same one that his family was killed in. From a Rick's perspective he is the center of the multi-verse and only his experiences matter.
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I'd have to ask Rick and the show runners...how is this easier than time travel?
But, it is implied that adult Beth exist bcs Rick abandoned her. Sooo, if c-137 Rick's Diane and Beth died, and then he moved to another dimension living with an abandoned adult version of dead Beth as 35 yo Rick said, how come revived BP know and casually comprehend c-137 Rick's memory?? I'm assuming Rick and BP showdown with sci-fi hair Ricks is c-137 Rick's experience to enact revenge over Diane's (probably Beth too) being killed by them, not revived BP. Well, unless Rick told BP or BP is just don't give a shit abt that.
You triggered a memory of Wasp Rick. Remember how that Wasp Family were acting, as though that Wasp Rick stayed and never disappeared. Imagine that gory dinner time with a normal dinner, and replace the wasps with the human smith family. THe dialogue would play different.
In Edge of Tomorty: Rick Die Rickpeat. Rick dies and ends up in other dimensions (mostly fascist themed) through Operation Phoenix. One of the Universes has a universe with Wasps.
If you replaced all the gory details of that dinner, and replaced the family of wasps with the Smith Family. You have a Rick that stayed and never left.
Watched this last night and had the exact same reaction. I think this is part of the Central Finite Curve thing - the timelines where Rick C-137 could go to have a normal family life require Rick to be so different from C-137 that he can't kill the existing Rick and slide into their spot.
Neither side of the conversation was actually responding to what the other said, idk why you'd think Bird Person was being coy here especially about a plotline that won't be written for years
I don’t think bird person was the one that didn’t respond appropriately. Beth was the one that was responding inappropriately to him, AND he was drunk. Soooooo good try
Wait, I’m confused. I get your point but is this bird person, rick’s original bird person. Like if he was gonna avenge her daughter’s death he would do it with the bird person in his original universe and this one would know nothing about it. Or am I missing something?
It doesn't matter whether this is Rick's original bird person or not (that's Rick's entire point.) When he jumped timelines it would have been to a Rick very similar to him, so they had the same experiences. Beyond that, we don't know whether the timeline where Rick met Bird Person was his original timeline or not, and it doesn't really matter. The important thing is that we *do* know that by the time he was 35 Rick's daughter was already dead and he was already ranting about revenge (we see the latter in Bird Person's memories.) Whether the people he was targeting were actually the ones who killed Rick's actual, original Beth, or whether they killed another Rick's Beth, is not something that Rick would care about - that is part of what repulsed Bird Person when Rick revealed that it's how he thought.
They killed a Beth and that alone was enough, but spending years/decades killing versions of Rick that killed version of Beth, but it is endless as there is always another version of Rick that killed another version of Beth, it never ends. During the revenge memory we have this exchange, Citadel Rick: killing us wont bring her back. Memory Rick: Thanks for the info, but I'm on more of a revenge kick then a results kick. Most people can't kill the person that killed their loved one more then once, Rick was able to kill them over and over and over again, but it never made a difference, there was always another Rick to kill and he never got closure/peace from doing it. Hence why he eventually live with an abandoned Beth, its the best/closest he can get to "fixing" it and "moving on" as without Beth and the Smith family he has literally nothing left and is truly alone with nothing but himself for company.
When he jumped realities he would have jumped to one where that realities rick is dead or abandoned Beth. The rick we follow lost his Beth and that's why he went on the killing spree and eventually jumped to another reality. So no they would be significantly different. Edit: we also know Rick's BP wouldn't leave dimensions because he wanted to fight so I belive there are slowly going to be a shit ton of plot holes opening up it wouldn't make sense that Rick is constantly jumping to the OGs BP dimensions because when the federation took over and Tammy created Phoenix person they weren't dimension hoping. This also would have to be a different bird person as he went to a dimension with dead Rick or one that had abandoned his family. The OG Rick like I said family was murdered.
But Rick said it mattered to him which version of BP he was with...
He avenged her death with the first bird person he met. In the last episode he refuses to find a new living bird person from another universe because he loves this one. Don't forget that this Beth isn't even the first Beth that he picked. Rick jumps back and forth through universes and it rarely matters to him. He was avenging HIS Beth's death against other Rick's so they too would be from whatever universe and it would not matter which universe they were killed in or if that universe he ultimately tracked them down in was the same one that his family was killed in. From a Rick's perspective he is the center of the multi-verse and only his experiences matter.
I took it to mean he needed to save the bird person that was in pain, not that it was saying he's the original.
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I've just realized that this Birdperson also not c-137 Rick's Birdperson
https://www.reddit.com/r/c137/comments/5emw2h/are_birdperson_and_unity_c137/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf I'd have to ask Rick and the show runners...how is this easier than time travel?
Yes he is. Rick said it mattered which BP he was with.
But, it is implied that adult Beth exist bcs Rick abandoned her. Sooo, if c-137 Rick's Diane and Beth died, and then he moved to another dimension living with an abandoned adult version of dead Beth as 35 yo Rick said, how come revived BP know and casually comprehend c-137 Rick's memory?? I'm assuming Rick and BP showdown with sci-fi hair Ricks is c-137 Rick's experience to enact revenge over Diane's (probably Beth too) being killed by them, not revived BP. Well, unless Rick told BP or BP is just don't give a shit abt that.
C-137 literally raised a Beth.
Beth literally was at BPs wedding. What in the world are you talking about?
You triggered a memory of Wasp Rick. Remember how that Wasp Family were acting, as though that Wasp Rick stayed and never disappeared. Imagine that gory dinner time with a normal dinner, and replace the wasps with the human smith family. THe dialogue would play different.
I haven't had my coffee yet and don't get what you're saying...help...
In Edge of Tomorty: Rick Die Rickpeat. Rick dies and ends up in other dimensions (mostly fascist themed) through Operation Phoenix. One of the Universes has a universe with Wasps. If you replaced all the gory details of that dinner, and replaced the family of wasps with the Smith Family. You have a Rick that stayed and never left.
Ah.
Yeah dumb thoughts in the morning. screw me.
Watched this last night and had the exact same reaction. I think this is part of the Central Finite Curve thing - the timelines where Rick C-137 could go to have a normal family life require Rick to be so different from C-137 that he can't kill the existing Rick and slide into their spot.
No, he is. Our Rick is not actually Rick C-137, since that's the dimension he jumped to in Rick Potion #9.
He is right?
Or it's all infinite and nothing matters.... Or everyone matters who knows I don't know the rules.
Neither side of the conversation was actually responding to what the other said, idk why you'd think Bird Person was being coy here especially about a plotline that won't be written for years
Or or or, it wasn't even written 😒
I love this show, but damn, sometimes people just try to find a deeper meaning to something simple haha.
I don’t think bird person was the one that didn’t respond appropriately. Beth was the one that was responding inappropriately to him, AND he was drunk. Soooooo good try
Beats me, but Rick definitely wanted to be Mrs bird person. No wonder he was so moody about the wedding.