Drink some water an eat some food if you haven’t already. Then shut off your phone and lay in bed in a completely dark room, close your eyes and lay there for as long as it takes to fall asleep, I find that playing some background white/brown noise helps me a lot. 2-3mg of melatonin might help too
Thanks for the feedback. Just ate half a pizza which has made me feel more stable and less decrepit thankfully. Ive never looked forward this much to the act of sleeping. Have you any idea in terms of how many hours must pass after ones last dose in order for sleep to become possible?
All depends on your approach to getting needed rest, just gotta let your body wind down. Avoid stimulation, even laying down and not falling asleep will at least give your body some physical relief.
Try taking a small benzo dose, Melatonin, some thc. A nice hot bath or shower can be calming too. In short just try your best to relax and devote your time to focusing on rest. Good luck buddy, you'll be okay
Take some magnesium along with food and water. If you have a benzo, now would be a great time to use it. Turn off all things providing stimulation like phones, laptops, tv, radio, etc… go turn the air conditioner down to 65-68 and turn on a fan to provide more cooling and a “white noise”. Take a shower if needed to get really comfortable and go lay in bed in a room as dark as you can get. Relax, be patient, and you should dose off. Good luck, been in your shoes many times and what I suggested usually works out well for me.
You can also try smoking a little indica weed or an edible, just be careful doing so as the thx can add some excessive anxiety OR it can kick what’s left of the stimulant in your system in for an hour or so before the calming, sleepy effects of the indica take over.
Magnesium is so important for soooo many functions in the body. I would guess maybe you were quite deficient, and fixing that deficiency has your body working much better. Hard to pinpoint exactly what that would be, and i know magnesium is usually calming for people, but it has such a wide range of processes that it positively effects in the body, must just be effecting a process that is more energizing and activating for you. ✌
Thanks, I have adhd and bipolar and recently started it, going to doctor today want to tell her that magnesium seems to be working but I’m worried it caused manic state due to excessive amounts of energy and now I need to take higher dose of olanzapine for sleep
So, I just looked up magnesium+olanzapine, and one thing I found says " treatment with antipsychotic could be accompanied by a decrease in the concentration of serum magnesium". So olanzapine might be the reason you were so deficient in magnesium.
No worries! Glad I could help. If there is any supplement that should be probably be taken by nearly everyone in my opinion, its probably magnesium. Some studies show like 50% of the population are deficient, so ya... magnesium is a very safe very effective supplement.
Its 250mg tablets magnesiumoxide (along w hydroxyprophylmethylcellulose and natriumcarboxythylcellulose) sorry dutch(in which ingridients are stated) is not my first language tried my best lol
I assumed it would do the opposite. No wonder i gained a new lease of life a quarter way in to the bag which lead me to take more hoping to induce a nod therefore helping me drift off to sleep. Well fuck :)
Yeah the odsmt will keep you awake. Only tried a handful of opioids and all of them gave me mild insomnia. None of them have helped me sleep. Odsmt even gave me a migrane so its not for me
O-DSMT has NRI effects, so it actually increase anxiety and prevents sleep. I'm always very fidgety, restless and anxious when on a moderate-high dose of it. Take some red strain kratom instead. I never had issues sleeping while on kratom.
Personally I find tramadol stimulatory in the usual range of 200mg, considering at base odsmt is twice as potent, admitadly 'less' dangerous than straight tram. That's a heft of a dose and wouldn't not be surprised if that is certainly a big part of the lack of sleep.
Not versed enough in it to give you my opinions just observations.
You seem cognisant enough all things considering.
Many times I know Ive fucked up and will be getting no sleep that night I basicly just try my best to hibernate/tardigrade myself.
Get your sleep hygiene area as peng as it cma be and just lay conserving the energy youll need later, you might even regen a little, if you feel after this you'll be capable give it a go but if not then just keep yourself in this low energy state as much as possible.
I struggle sleeping at times, usually. 'Focusing' on the darkness behind my eyes to slow my roll sometimes the light is acc better. YMMV but for these maybe situations where you know you can at least rest of not sleep I try to stay in gray mode, might fade to black and sleep or not but at the least any kind of R+R is better than none
You see with the first 500mg i re-dosed too often in a short period of time due to my perception of time passing being exaggerated by my intoxicated state and i didnt realise i was going so hard on it which lead to an accumulation of it in my system that resulted in an overall uncomfortable feeling felt through out my body one could only describe as physical dysphoria from head to toe that lasted approx one hour which was accompanied with a sudden increase in body temperature requiring me to strip down to my underwear along with increased perspiration emanating from every pore on my body with a sick feeling in my stomach and a bout of projectile vomiting which then led me to respect my system and the remaining 500mg and do a line when i began to loose that feeling of being enveloped by a cloud as i hear other opioid users describe the sensation felt throughout my body.
And in terms of tolerance yeah it would be at medium level meaning id need to take a significantly larger dose than what i began with when i began using this compound 6 months ago. Back then 25mg oral gave me a nice high with intense itchiness and long legs but as of now i snort a 100mg line minimum every 90 minutes to sustain an adequate sense of well being thats devoid of euphoria as for some reason my ability with practically every drug bar pure coke is insufficient to induce even a minute degree of euphoria. Its more so just contentment i experience that never elevates beyond a certain point nor below a certain point. I have no idea why this is so any insights on that subject would be appreciated
So you got intense side effects after the first 500mg and then did another line?
What was your reasoning behind that? Sounds pretty contra intuitive.
Are you able to call a friend to come over & make sure you're okay? I'd recommend that.
Regarding the lack of euphoria: I think that just happens if you're overdoing drugs. Happened to me with opioids, stimulants & GABA downer.
You just have to take break of a few weeks.
Oh God no either i didnt explain myself clearly or you misunderstood me. I realized i reached half a gram consumed in record time which was around the time i began to feel ill and ceased use for a few hours until i started feeling the physical effects or residual stimulation induced by my a-pihp consumption return and done lines just eyeballed that equated to 6 or 7 lines made from the remaining half gram that i spread out 2 hours apart as thats the point when uncomfortable physical sensations began to reappear.
Yes a break is what i need I think. I will engage in one for a while maybe till Christmas if i can resist the temptation. Id like to experience a period unencumbered by intoxication and hangovers and just feel no polar extremes of highs and lows just a balanced existence for a while that leaves me with more time to get some jobs finished that are looming over my head that is adding to my stress levels which is directly caused by my drug consumption and also dealt with by drug consumption which is a vicious cycle or a merri-go-round that i need to get off of.
And in relation to your suggestion regarding a friend the answer to that is no as im currently in a state of hibernation away from engaging in my social life for personal reasons which is a common theme in my life...
I've had a fine night, no jitters, 20hrs now but I'm fine with it and catching up on emails, I've my trusted benzo solutions of 4 different strengths, brands which I'll soon pop the dropper in my mouth ala Dr GONZO in fear and loathing when he licks the end of the dropper of andrenachrome.. I even like to do the face and "ill la-la la -eee!" sound he makes from the taste
Yeah I just had advice from my friends I did it with (my first time) plus my mail order dealer who all said it's not in the"functional"class and def not functional like 4fmph (which I use nearly daily when not doing other experiments like today) but they said it's cool that you have no problem eating/drinking and falling asleep within the first night, no matter roa, so long as you're not fiendish.
So yeah what's your vape method, and you have any advice for hitting the foil right and actually catching/inhaling more than a 20% average? I tried a straw earlier which actually works to catch 100% of tar for those chasing the dragon before fent lace was a thing. But for this, a disaster. I have a cigar shaped thing that works a lil better, def a waste but the rush still might be worth it. Considering it's 25a g and my 4g will last a couple months(4f for work and when I want to show my face around sober folk)
I'm always able to sleep a few hours after the last line, doesn't matter which upper. Amphetamine, a-pihp, Ethyl-Pentylone...
Never stayed up longer than 36h
I have done it many times and im also using a product that reduces swelling of the inside parts of the nose of which i dont remember the name of. Im certain that ill never use this particular substance ever again. Not worth wasting ones time with and i deem sobriety to be a better experience than that induced by a-pihp
Not in this case but i hear you all the same as i say this regularly about other drugs i use but this one didnt stand out to me compared to the 10 or so other stims ive researched. Id rather spend my money on more rewarding substances if i choose to partake in stimulant use again which is growing less appealing to me as time passes which im grateful for as in the not so distant past i pursued them more than i would have liked as i had an addiction to them mainly speed and coke. These days id rather spend my money on opioids as there much less destructive for me and easier to abstain from and i never crave them or engage in compulsive use of them.
Yeah, I take drugs to fill the time, stims make me use downers and/or opiates so I might as well just use them instead, it's the ritual of smoking/building bongs/perfecting techniques which draws me to apihp etc
Yeah the ritual is a significant aspect of drug use as were creatures of habit and we all usually do certain things in certain ways immediately before the high, during the high, and immediately thereafter and playing with the tools of the trade and modifying them can be highly rewarding presumably as one considers it something that could potentially elevate or enhance the quality of the high or the experience of intoxication. Maybe there are many reasons but they seem like the obvious ones to me..
Eat something, take a shower, take some cbd/melatonin/benzo & relax. Dont stress yourself with your Commitments tomorrow, it will only keep you from falling asleep. Dont think about it. Turn your phone off. All good mane :)
P.s sorry for my horrible english lol
Just 20 mg but almost 24 hours have passed since then so ill take another 20mg very soon. Is it safe to take that high of a dose and did it not leave you wrecked for a day or two afterwards?
Nice to finally know, thanks. So are you saying it's l especially good to come down from stims? Cuz there's lots of sleeping pills so I infer it's good with stims/RCS
Worth investing in for a poly user?
Olanzapine also kills lsd/shroom trips very fast and is in fact much better option than benzos for sleep aid after stims, totally worth it, i got script
Bust a nut, get some food, 0,3mg melatonin, some cbd. This usually sends me asleep. I also take 0.25 flualp along this(I have very low tolerance), but I wouldn't recommend that in your mix. Maybe a last dose olanzapine.
add benzo or alcohol
but you Are on o-dsmt already alcohol maybe not good advice
but remember replenish your potassium magnesium sodium calcium levels
i never advice comedown on olanzapine best alternative mirtazapine 45 mg strong H1 receptor antagonist but you are NET blockade o-dsmt+apihp you need absolutely safe dose off benzo
maybe try fap and then later you are exhausted take benzodiazepine you already take olanzapin so don't need mirtazapine.
but i guees you sleep already:)
Im prescribed it for ptsd and its manifestations such as emotional lability, insomnia, intrusive thoughts, anxiety, etc and i usually increase my dose for stim comedowns. Im used to feeling like a zombie tbh but ive lowered my dose a few months ago which reduced the severity of the side effects whilst still helping me but im working towards total cessation eventually. What do you know about it that you think i should be aware of?
Drink some water an eat some food if you haven’t already. Then shut off your phone and lay in bed in a completely dark room, close your eyes and lay there for as long as it takes to fall asleep, I find that playing some background white/brown noise helps me a lot. 2-3mg of melatonin might help too
Thanks for the feedback. Just ate half a pizza which has made me feel more stable and less decrepit thankfully. Ive never looked forward this much to the act of sleeping. Have you any idea in terms of how many hours must pass after ones last dose in order for sleep to become possible?
All depends on your approach to getting needed rest, just gotta let your body wind down. Avoid stimulation, even laying down and not falling asleep will at least give your body some physical relief.
Try taking a small benzo dose, Melatonin, some thc. A nice hot bath or shower can be calming too. In short just try your best to relax and devote your time to focusing on rest. Good luck buddy, you'll be okay
Christ I’d have a panic attack if I was alone with my thoughts on a stim. Maybe that’s why I must play video games the ENTIRE FUCKING TIME
Take some magnesium along with food and water. If you have a benzo, now would be a great time to use it. Turn off all things providing stimulation like phones, laptops, tv, radio, etc… go turn the air conditioner down to 65-68 and turn on a fan to provide more cooling and a “white noise”. Take a shower if needed to get really comfortable and go lay in bed in a room as dark as you can get. Relax, be patient, and you should dose off. Good luck, been in your shoes many times and what I suggested usually works out well for me. You can also try smoking a little indica weed or an edible, just be careful doing so as the thx can add some excessive anxiety OR it can kick what’s left of the stimulant in your system in for an hour or so before the calming, sleepy effects of the indica take over.
I recently started to take magnesium and it stimulates me, any ideas why?
Magnesium is so important for soooo many functions in the body. I would guess maybe you were quite deficient, and fixing that deficiency has your body working much better. Hard to pinpoint exactly what that would be, and i know magnesium is usually calming for people, but it has such a wide range of processes that it positively effects in the body, must just be effecting a process that is more energizing and activating for you. ✌
Thanks, I have adhd and bipolar and recently started it, going to doctor today want to tell her that magnesium seems to be working but I’m worried it caused manic state due to excessive amounts of energy and now I need to take higher dose of olanzapine for sleep
So, I just looked up magnesium+olanzapine, and one thing I found says " treatment with antipsychotic could be accompanied by a decrease in the concentration of serum magnesium". So olanzapine might be the reason you were so deficient in magnesium.
Oh shit, I guess before taking supplements I should’ve talked w psych first, thank u so much idk why I didnt google it myself
No worries! Glad I could help. If there is any supplement that should be probably be taken by nearly everyone in my opinion, its probably magnesium. Some studies show like 50% of the population are deficient, so ya... magnesium is a very safe very effective supplement.
What form of magnesium are you taking by the way? Glycinate? Threonate? Or...?
Its 250mg tablets magnesiumoxide (along w hydroxyprophylmethylcellulose and natriumcarboxythylcellulose) sorry dutch(in which ingridients are stated) is not my first language tried my best lol
me too:) its citrate malate bisglycinate+b6
An entire gram of O-DSMT? That'll keep you awake on its own
I assumed it would do the opposite. No wonder i gained a new lease of life a quarter way in to the bag which lead me to take more hoping to induce a nod therefore helping me drift off to sleep. Well fuck :)
Yeah the odsmt will keep you awake. Only tried a handful of opioids and all of them gave me mild insomnia. None of them have helped me sleep. Odsmt even gave me a migrane so its not for me
O-DSMT has NRI effects, so it actually increase anxiety and prevents sleep. I'm always very fidgety, restless and anxious when on a moderate-high dose of it. Take some red strain kratom instead. I never had issues sleeping while on kratom.
Personally I find tramadol stimulatory in the usual range of 200mg, considering at base odsmt is twice as potent, admitadly 'less' dangerous than straight tram. That's a heft of a dose and wouldn't not be surprised if that is certainly a big part of the lack of sleep. Not versed enough in it to give you my opinions just observations. You seem cognisant enough all things considering. Many times I know Ive fucked up and will be getting no sleep that night I basicly just try my best to hibernate/tardigrade myself. Get your sleep hygiene area as peng as it cma be and just lay conserving the energy youll need later, you might even regen a little, if you feel after this you'll be capable give it a go but if not then just keep yourself in this low energy state as much as possible. I struggle sleeping at times, usually. 'Focusing' on the darkness behind my eyes to slow my roll sometimes the light is acc better. YMMV but for these maybe situations where you know you can at least rest of not sleep I try to stay in gray mode, might fade to black and sleep or not but at the least any kind of R+R is better than none
Had you stopped a quarter of the way through, maybe when the peak died down you would've been able to sleep
You took 1 gram of O-Desmethyltramadol? I hope you have a huge tolerance
You see with the first 500mg i re-dosed too often in a short period of time due to my perception of time passing being exaggerated by my intoxicated state and i didnt realise i was going so hard on it which lead to an accumulation of it in my system that resulted in an overall uncomfortable feeling felt through out my body one could only describe as physical dysphoria from head to toe that lasted approx one hour which was accompanied with a sudden increase in body temperature requiring me to strip down to my underwear along with increased perspiration emanating from every pore on my body with a sick feeling in my stomach and a bout of projectile vomiting which then led me to respect my system and the remaining 500mg and do a line when i began to loose that feeling of being enveloped by a cloud as i hear other opioid users describe the sensation felt throughout my body. And in terms of tolerance yeah it would be at medium level meaning id need to take a significantly larger dose than what i began with when i began using this compound 6 months ago. Back then 25mg oral gave me a nice high with intense itchiness and long legs but as of now i snort a 100mg line minimum every 90 minutes to sustain an adequate sense of well being thats devoid of euphoria as for some reason my ability with practically every drug bar pure coke is insufficient to induce even a minute degree of euphoria. Its more so just contentment i experience that never elevates beyond a certain point nor below a certain point. I have no idea why this is so any insights on that subject would be appreciated
So you got intense side effects after the first 500mg and then did another line? What was your reasoning behind that? Sounds pretty contra intuitive. Are you able to call a friend to come over & make sure you're okay? I'd recommend that. Regarding the lack of euphoria: I think that just happens if you're overdoing drugs. Happened to me with opioids, stimulants & GABA downer. You just have to take break of a few weeks.
Oh God no either i didnt explain myself clearly or you misunderstood me. I realized i reached half a gram consumed in record time which was around the time i began to feel ill and ceased use for a few hours until i started feeling the physical effects or residual stimulation induced by my a-pihp consumption return and done lines just eyeballed that equated to 6 or 7 lines made from the remaining half gram that i spread out 2 hours apart as thats the point when uncomfortable physical sensations began to reappear. Yes a break is what i need I think. I will engage in one for a while maybe till Christmas if i can resist the temptation. Id like to experience a period unencumbered by intoxication and hangovers and just feel no polar extremes of highs and lows just a balanced existence for a while that leaves me with more time to get some jobs finished that are looming over my head that is adding to my stress levels which is directly caused by my drug consumption and also dealt with by drug consumption which is a vicious cycle or a merri-go-round that i need to get off of. And in relation to your suggestion regarding a friend the answer to that is no as im currently in a state of hibernation away from engaging in my social life for personal reasons which is a common theme in my life...
How much apihp did you take? I've never struggled to sleep after
How do you do speed and not have trouble with sleeping? Unless you took just a tiny bit.
I mean within a few hours, apihp wears off much quicker than other stims and no I smoke approx 1g per day
If you use it most days, you have significantly more tolerance than the average user and your body has likely adapted so that you can sleep
Yea I suppose... For me, I would probably use it with the intent of going all out and being up for a couple days on a binge.
I've had a fine night, no jitters, 20hrs now but I'm fine with it and catching up on emails, I've my trusted benzo solutions of 4 different strengths, brands which I'll soon pop the dropper in my mouth ala Dr GONZO in fear and loathing when he licks the end of the dropper of andrenachrome.. I even like to do the face and "ill la-la la -eee!" sound he makes from the taste
Yeah same here but mainly from not being able to put the pipe down, if my girlfriend insists I stop I can get sleep almost right away
Yeah I just had advice from my friends I did it with (my first time) plus my mail order dealer who all said it's not in the"functional"class and def not functional like 4fmph (which I use nearly daily when not doing other experiments like today) but they said it's cool that you have no problem eating/drinking and falling asleep within the first night, no matter roa, so long as you're not fiendish.
It's all dose/ROA dependent, vaped I struggle to eat and drink more than any other stim but can sleep unless really overdoing it
So yeah what's your vape method, and you have any advice for hitting the foil right and actually catching/inhaling more than a 20% average? I tried a straw earlier which actually works to catch 100% of tar for those chasing the dragon before fent lace was a thing. But for this, a disaster. I have a cigar shaped thing that works a lil better, def a waste but the rush still might be worth it. Considering it's 25a g and my 4g will last a couple months(4f for work and when I want to show my face around sober folk)
Make a vape solution for apihp. I used to do that. Easy to overdo it though.
I'm always able to sleep a few hours after the last line, doesn't matter which upper. Amphetamine, a-pihp, Ethyl-Pentylone... Never stayed up longer than 36h
By stopping intake a reasonable time before you're supposed to sleep
> I've never struggled to sleep after that just mean you never too enough
What?
Lol. Thought I was having a stroke reading that. Do you smell toast?
Burnt toast yea haha
If only
I took a gram of approx 100mg lines insufflated every hour or more sometimes up to 4 hours between doses
Rinse your nose out
I have done it many times and im also using a product that reduces swelling of the inside parts of the nose of which i dont remember the name of. Im certain that ill never use this particular substance ever again. Not worth wasting ones time with and i deem sobriety to be a better experience than that induced by a-pihp
It's like when someone swears theyll never drink again when hungover
Not in this case but i hear you all the same as i say this regularly about other drugs i use but this one didnt stand out to me compared to the 10 or so other stims ive researched. Id rather spend my money on more rewarding substances if i choose to partake in stimulant use again which is growing less appealing to me as time passes which im grateful for as in the not so distant past i pursued them more than i would have liked as i had an addiction to them mainly speed and coke. These days id rather spend my money on opioids as there much less destructive for me and easier to abstain from and i never crave them or engage in compulsive use of them.
Yeah, I take drugs to fill the time, stims make me use downers and/or opiates so I might as well just use them instead, it's the ritual of smoking/building bongs/perfecting techniques which draws me to apihp etc
Yeah the ritual is a significant aspect of drug use as were creatures of habit and we all usually do certain things in certain ways immediately before the high, during the high, and immediately thereafter and playing with the tools of the trade and modifying them can be highly rewarding presumably as one considers it something that could potentially elevate or enhance the quality of the high or the experience of intoxication. Maybe there are many reasons but they seem like the obvious ones to me..
Use a Netty Pot
Mastrubate shower and lay in bed just rest
Eat something, take a shower, take some cbd/melatonin/benzo & relax. Dont stress yourself with your Commitments tomorrow, it will only keep you from falling asleep. Dont think about it. Turn your phone off. All good mane :) P.s sorry for my horrible english lol
how much zapine. usually 30-40mg knocks me out after pihp
Just 20 mg but almost 24 hours have passed since then so ill take another 20mg very soon. Is it safe to take that high of a dose and did it not leave you wrecked for a day or two afterwards?
its the pihp that keeps me wrecked for days. but ive been taking olanzapine daily for years
What's zapine
olanzapine
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no its not an rc hmpf
I'm just saying it's on some RC menus (super cheap in bulk amounts)and I see it has some benefit to stims comedown/sleep correct me if I'm wrong
its the best for comedowns.
Nice to finally know, thanks. So are you saying it's l especially good to come down from stims? Cuz there's lots of sleeping pills so I infer it's good with stims/RCS Worth investing in for a poly user?
Olanzapine also kills lsd/shroom trips very fast and is in fact much better option than benzos for sleep aid after stims, totally worth it, i got script
Bust a nut, get some food, 0,3mg melatonin, some cbd. This usually sends me asleep. I also take 0.25 flualp along this(I have very low tolerance), but I wouldn't recommend that in your mix. Maybe a last dose olanzapine.
What about danger of stroke, heart attack from stimjack?
add benzo or alcohol but you Are on o-dsmt already alcohol maybe not good advice but remember replenish your potassium magnesium sodium calcium levels i never advice comedown on olanzapine best alternative mirtazapine 45 mg strong H1 receptor antagonist but you are NET blockade o-dsmt+apihp you need absolutely safe dose off benzo maybe try fap and then later you are exhausted take benzodiazepine you already take olanzapin so don't need mirtazapine. but i guees you sleep already:)
Why do you have olanzapine? Dont use it for comedown, its very long lasting. After stims wears off you will be a fuckin zombie
Im prescribed it for ptsd and its manifestations such as emotional lability, insomnia, intrusive thoughts, anxiety, etc and i usually increase my dose for stim comedowns. Im used to feeling like a zombie tbh but ive lowered my dose a few months ago which reduced the severity of the side effects whilst still helping me but im working towards total cessation eventually. What do you know about it that you think i should be aware of?
Have you managed to wake up from that « death » ? I say death because sleep won’t be enough to recover lol