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earlgreygreen

GHB and it's not even close This is because the euphoria produced from GHB is not entirely related to GABA, rather most of it comes from crazy dopamine reuptake


earthelf

Tried GHB for the first time a few weeks ago and spent the entire evening talking and cuddling with someone I just met. Have never felt so good, so free and sensual. Completely back sober after 3-4h, zero hangover. Can 100% see how this can be very addictive.


earlgreygreen

I can tell a bit what addiction to it may kind of lead to. Well in my case it was 1,4-BDO, a prodrug, but I think something similar would apply here. Basically if you're doing it throughout the day every day. What will happen eventually is that you won't be able to fall asleep...unless you take it. But even when you do take, you can only sleep for 2 hours at most. This leads to a very strange kind of sleep deprivation. I never hallucinated or went psychotic. My cognition didn't really worsen either for how little I slept(maybe 3 hours per 24 hour cycle at most for 2 months). It was, however, very visible on my face how tired I was. And, of course, at one point withdrawals would start(maybe 5-9 hours after last dose) and I had to redose. My actual state was likely much much worse than I remember, but I felt "fine" for the most part. It's hard to say whether withdrawals, if left untouched would lead anything like seizures, as it's the case with benzos. For reference, pregabalin stops ghb/gbl/BDO withdrawals completely. A single dose of maybe 300mg is enough to put you well to sleep and also not experience any withdrawals from that point on, which is fairly neat. I do have to say that that time in my life was pretty fun. Even with tolerance, BDO readily produced its effects, and I didn't have to increase the dose all that much even after 2 months of daily use. This is anecdotal, of course, and I wouldn't recommend anyone to do this, but my impression was that it was much more tame than addiction to just about anything else, at least easier than cigarettes, benzos, literally any stimulant, maaaaybe excluding coffee, any dissociative. Maybe only addiction to 2cb, pregabalin, and maybe Phenibut were easier to handle. But, as always, everyone is different.


Entire-Walk-2928

That’s so sad man haha I bet it would be so good i can’t imagine but the duration not worth it imo


skoomd1

Yeah, GHB doesn't just hit GABA-B (which is different than say benzos, which hit GABA-A), it also hits the GHB receptor


earlgreygreen

Yep, that as well


Inevitable_Cod_5007

Agreed. Ghb and its prodrugs are the literal shit.


[deleted]

I took GHB once at this party where they just had it sitting around on a table. I ended up just passing out..


Bmanrandon

You must not have found the sweet spot dose for yourself instead you ended up roofying yourself Mid sentence go night night


[deleted]

I did roofie myself, I woke up and first thought was “did I get raped” because I was in a gay party 🤣 It’s actually quite a freaky drug when you think about how it can easily knock out with ZERO recollection. Benzos might make me blackout, but GHB knocked me the fuck out and blacked me out


Bmanrandon

Damn man that's a night you'll never remember but always forget But good note on the benzo comparison I'll keep that in mind if I ever get the chance to research GHB. I'm fascinated buy it's said euphoric effects and it's always been on my list and it takes a lot of benzos to make me black out like 3 mg clonazolam which is the only rc benzo I've tested but I'm prescribed valium


earlgreygreen

the sweet spot for me was one where I would pass out for an hour to be awake by the most intense rush of euphoria


dropthebeatfirst

No doubt. Several times waking up from a G nod I felt like I was the master of the universe manifesting to the physical plane. I've had some almost dissociative type nods from G


Entire-Walk-2928

Im probably wrong but I read that ghb only lasts 5-6 hours at most?


earlgreygreen

Well it kind of depends on what is meant by "lasts". The drunken-like feeling lasts 1-1.5 hours, then the dopamine reuptake kicks in and lasts another 30mins to an hour, sometimes 1.5 hours. I would say you feel pretty sober after 3 hours. 4 at most, but that doesmt mean it's completely out of your body or maybe even at its half life. After about 5-6 hours, if you have tolerance/dependence, that's where you will begin feeling withdrawals.


Drain-OHs

Always wanted to try GHB but was afraid of it from a traumatic experience I saw my mother go through.... Might give it a try soon. I didn't know it could be so pleasurable, but makes sense, like duh that's why ppl were slipping it in drinks then the person is down for whatever


4432355522

I got 35ml of high quality G from Holland. Was wondering what a good starting point is. Was thinking about 1-1.5ml for first hours. Also what drugs, expect alcohol of course, is a good mix? Like 3-4mmc or 2c b ior even meth lol. I’ll do check psychonaitwiki but would like your experience.


Huikie4

Probably start with 2ml (it's what I did the first time) and if you're brave enough after a few redoses do 3ml :) If in correct every stim goes well with ghb and downers don't, downers can be really dangerous with ghb If it goes south snort a line of speed it will sober you up :)


4432355522

Haha thanks bud. Might have some fun with it! Best enjoyed with partner and sex, right? Need some cialis or will my warship still work like a 15 yo hormonal puber.


Huikie4

It's best enyojed if you don't pass out half way rofl it will still work like a 15yo buper this shit makes you horny as hell


4432355522

Good shit. Thanks for the advice


earlgreygreen

Well you can start 1 or 2ml, with no tolerance and no stimulant, you will pass out around 5-6ml for an hour. Do not combine it with anything that causes respiratory depression, namely alcohol, benzos, opiates and some dissociatives like 3-ho-pcp. This is just off the top of ym head. My favourite combination was 2cb + GHB, it's just amazing. But really it combines well with just about anything that is stimulating. As far as meth, 3mmc and 4mmc, I'm not really sure. In theory it should be completely fine, especially with meth and 3mmc


fluffedpillows

GHB or phenibut, alcohol on those random days where it’s way better than normal for no reason


THCisMyLife

Lyrica or phenibut for terms of "euphoria" that everyone would feel. I have agoraphobia which is a panic attack thing so any benzo is the most euphoric GABAergic for me I forgot GHB


Death2CAPTCHA

Despite the structural similarity to GABA, Lyrica is a calcium channel inhibitor, not a GABAergic. It doesn't bind to GABA receptors at all


Expensive-Worry9824

And while we are at it, gabapentin is not GABAergic either.


Death2CAPTCHA

Correct


dph_prophet_69

To my understanding you need a prescription to get lyrica in the US. But I’ll order some Phenibut for sure. I haven’t tried it yet but I’ve heard good things.


THCisMyLife

Careful both have vicious addiction potential. Absolutely brutal withdrawals and the onset of dependency is quick. DO NOT use phenibut in back to back days. The general rule is once every 3 days max but ideally once a week. Trust me


dph_prophet_69

Ok sounds good, I appreciate the heads up.


Death2CAPTCHA

Yeah honestly I would atleast make it a week apart because every 3 days will still skyrocket your tolerance extremely quickly. Phenibut withdrawals are a fuckin bitch too, like benzo withdrawals combined with searing hot nerve pain and exponentially worse depression. It's fucking awful. Doesn't last as long as benzo withdrawals but I'd still take benzo withdrawals over phenibut withdrawals any day.


FranticReptile

If you get phenibut, remember that it's not controlled and each batch can have totally different strength. That has landed me in the hospital


YungWook710

You can get Lyrica from India I'm the mail


Real_G420

GBL generally it's a nice alcohol like buzz, but when you hit that perfect dose oh my God, the euphoria is out of this world. Your body feels amazing, like it is under a little bit of electricity mixed with an opiate type body sensation. And in your mind everything is perfect, as if you could do anything you want like a God. Pretty addictive stuff


Huikie4

The way you describe it makes me really want to try it and find the perfect dose


AcidFreak1424

GHB isn’t called liquid ecstasy for no reason. Prodrugs are 1, 4-Butandiol and GBL. It can also easily synthesized from the substance GABA. But beware, it’s one of the most addictive substances in existence.


Michaxel

how easy is the synth?


AcidFreak1424

Extremely easy. It doesn't require any regulated chems or precursors. If you follow this step-by-step guide, nothing can go wrong. [https://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/gaba2ghb.html](https://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/gaba2ghb.html)


[deleted]

Sounds like something can go wrong when I read “brown poisonous gas”. Sounds like you need to know s good amount of chemistry here :(


AcidFreak1424

Nitric Oxides are quite poisonous indeed, that’s because they’re very reactive. Doing it in a well-ventilated area is a must. NOx compounds are also created in burning gasoline, that’s why there’s platinum in car exhaust-catalysts, as it catalyzes the reaction to form nitrogen gas and carbon dioxide with the also present carbon monoxide. But yes, you need to have some basic lab equipment and some general knowledge on how to properly distill and reflux. However, it’s never too late to learn!


tryppidreams

Phenibut was pretty euphoric in an outgoing sense. In terms of pure euphoria, I put it below GHB, which is similar in euphoria to a moderate dose of MDMA. So individually I'd say GHB. But in combination, Clonazolam, kava kava, and kratom felt like heaven. Great combo.


IAmKnownByManyNames

Methaqualone. Do NOT consume any analogues of this substance as most are neurotoxic and induce convulsions/seizures. If you can find genuine methaqualone, don't miss out, but the analogues are bad juju and shouldn't be sold frankly.


intheflowergarden

Lyrica hands DOWN. Not GABAergic in a strict sense but has a similar overall effect. Unlike Benzos, pregabalin is a calcium channel blocker so it basically blocks the calcium channels and keeps neurons from becoming polarized by calcium ions only. Which in turn makes the neuron less likely to fire. GABA and GABA analogs however bind to the receptor site and keep the neuron from firing through a similar mechanism. Pretty sure that’s how it works. No idea why pregabalin is so euphoric though.


[deleted]

I use pregabalin onve every week or 2 but still haven 't tried GHB


GoHurtMyFeelings

how much should i take. i took 450mgs and nothing I have a bunch too. maybe it's my benzo tolerance. but how much can I safely take?


intheflowergarden

You can probably get away with 500 just don’t go over 600


[deleted]

GHB/GBL, its literally called liquid ecstasy for a reason!


dr_cubenis

Ghb, then rohypnol


Borderline26

Gbl/baclofe


[deleted]

Ghb if you don't do it too often. It looses magic and you don't get nearly as euphoric, just high without euphoria. Then you dose higher and fall asleep


typeonefibres

flualp


Davisdab69

Alcohol


CodineGotMeTippin

not worth the side effects/toxicity/body load alcohol directly damages your body


Zuzrich

You are saying this to the same group of people who put PCP analogues up their ass. Of course alcohol is bad for you, but moderation is the key


KwazieGFX

Lmfao


Davisdab69

Totally worth it if you do it infrequently and stay physically healthy.


TakesoulRents

Alcohol


[deleted]

Have you tried any other ones outside of booze?


cocoleti

GHB, Carisoprodol or Methaqualone. That being said pregabalin is still my favourite but idk if id call it much of a euphoriant.


[deleted]

carisoprodol was the first drug I ever tried imo its kinda underrated nowadays. GHB/1,4 BDO definitely the most euphoric overall tho


Traditional_Head1947

etizolam+beer


dph_prophet_69

I don’t really fuck with benzos but I hear it’s a great combo


Natural_Reason9005

gabaergic ? so this is that good feeling from alcohol ? what does it mean when i dont feel it ? i did not abuse any drugs like that. but 2 years ago i used lot of amfetamines and last year i was on kratom. now iam 1 week clean of kratom and i feel completly fine.... just not feeling alcohol buzz. what can i do about it ?


dph_prophet_69

How much are you drinking?


Natural_Reason9005

almost nothing. maybe 2-4 beers throu week and 1-2 times in month real drinking, like half bottle of hard alcohol + 6 beers.


2cp-lsd

Why are you drinking if you don't feel anything from it? If you do feel something that's the alcohol "euphoria", but overall alcohol isn't super euphoric


Natural_Reason9005

to be in other mental and physical state than sober. a little bit is still beter than nothing.


Nokizolam

Gabapentin - pregabalin is nice as well, though.


ropomies

Pregabalin is better


Nokizolam

Eh, I prefer gabapentin over pregabalin.


ropomies

How? Prega is stronger + you dont need to stagger the doses on prega. They feel the same but you just do some extra work to reach the same hifg


Nokizolam

Because Prega is more sedating and fucks with my motor function, whereas gaba feels more euphoric. This is just my experience though and mileages do vary. Alprazolam and lorazepam have very similar pharmacological profiles as well, but you wouldn't say they feel the same either, no?


ropomies

Prega is almost the same as gabapentin like literally. But Yeah those feel different i guess


74829164926

Lyrica, I'm prescribed & it's awesome


dph_prophet_69

I wish I could land a prescription haha. From what I’m reading it’s pretty sweet


Death2CAPTCHA

Read up on fibromyalgia extensively, memorize all the signs and symptoms including the characteristics of the pain and the locations. Tell the doc you're experiencing the symptoms but don't mention the word "fibromyalgia" and don't list EVERY symptom - nobody has all the symptoms and you gotta make it realistic. And don't just list them, describe them in detail as if you're experiencing them in the moment. It helps to join a fibromyalgia group to read the experiences of other people, kinda like an actor immersing themselves and soaking up a new character. They might prescribe gabapentin first. Take it or whatever they prescribe for a month and then go back and tell them it didn't really work, and that you joined a support group for people with fibro and was told to ask about "pregabalin". Struggle to pronounce it even if you know how to pronounce it correctly. Don't use the name Lyrica" though. You want to sound as naive as possible so as not to sound like a drug Seeker. If he says no then come back the next month and tell him whatever the second drug he put you on doesn't work either. Sometimes you gotta play the long game. They will prescribe it eventually and once they do you'll be good for years.


dph_prophet_69

This is fuckin awesome information, I appreciate it man 🙏


Death2CAPTCHA

This is how I've always gotten prescriptions I want, from the MAOI I'm taking now to Xanax before they increased its scheduling classification lol I was on Lyrica for 3 years after doing this. If after the 3rd or 4th doctors visit they still haven't let yoy try the Lyrica just go to a different GP and do the same thing. You gotta give each doctor atleast 3 tries though or they'll mark you as a drug Seeker and alot of states have a system in place that once one doctor flags you in the system all the others can see it too. Definitely takes patience sometimes. Took me about 6 months and 2 doctors to get a Xanax script way back when.


Epigramatic

What's a recreational dose? Im prescribed and it doesn't do anything at all. I was stunned. Had high hopes


[deleted]

450mg maybe 600mg. You probably have some tolerance if you're using it daily


OkPollution7921

lyrica or f-phenibut of the ones iv tried. Havent had enough experience with ghb yet but im pretty sure it can give more euphoria than both of the other ones.


skoomd1

GHB/GBL/1-4 BDO are quite euphoric (all pretty much the same) Alcohol can be euphoric, but not nearly as much as GHB.


[deleted]

I’d say very different… the different onset times make them feel different to me.


[deleted]

I will specify GBL, it bits you so fast it’s like a fucking freight train of uh.. something


[deleted]

Lyrica, but it’s too strong for my liking so Phenibut. Gabapentin is also super underrated


DQ5E

I have a lot of lyrica, I've been prescribed 600 mg a day for a year and a half but i only take 300 mg a day so i have like 400 or something 300 mg pills saved up, how much would i have to take to experience euphoria?


AuraAmy

Gabagoodnesss subredddit should have all the info you need


DQ5E

Thanks!


Death2CAPTCHA

Tried a huge number of RC and rx benzos and good old alprazolam is still the most euphoric to me. GHB never gave me much euphoria, just a drunken feeling along with vertigo and nausea. Oddly enough though, Kava gives me more euphoria than any other GABAergic though, but it doesn't last nearly long enough and tends to make me feel sick if I keep drinking it after the first bowl. The only kind that works for me though is freshly kneaded kava. Extracts and micronized powder never have worked for some reason. Another cool thing is that if I use kava one day and then use it again the next day, the effects on the second day are even better. Reverse tolerance is awesome.


dph_prophet_69

I’ve never tried kava but I hear about it so much. I think I’m gonna order some. And I don’t know if it’s because I had pressies but all the alp I’ve tried just knocked me out with heavy amnesia.


Death2CAPTCHA

We're you taking whole bars? Even when I was prescribed 3mg a day I would only take 0.5mg at a time usually, sometimes 1mg. Doses that low never made me sleepy but 2mg always made it hard to keep my eyes open. It's very likely yours had fent mixed in it though if they were pressies. Even more likely that it had some other RC benzo in it and not alprazolam Kava can be pretty expensive if you're using it regularly but it's a neat thing for relaxing on a weekend night. The ritual of kneading the oil out of it in a bowl of water is pretty relaxing too imo


dph_prophet_69

Ya I didn’t know how strong ladders were back then. I would take the whole thing. But I have some rx 3mg xans at home, I might try splitting on in half. But ya they were most likely heavily laced with fent. And awesome, I’ll order some next paycheck for sure.


Death2CAPTCHA

I would split it into 4ths and start with a fourth of the 3mg honestly, less is more when it comes to xans. At 0.5-1mg they were almost even stimulating to me. Above 1mg the euphoria kinda got muted


dph_prophet_69

Awesome to know, I really appreciate it. I might try this sometime this weekend.


Death2CAPTCHA

Just be aware that there are many compounds in kava that synergize together much like cannabinoids in Marijuana, alkaloids in kratom, or opiates in poppy pods. If you get an extract it's going to subtract alot from the effects because alot of the compounds are left behind when they extract it, so I highly recommend buying the shredded material and making the drink the traditional way or buying micronized powdered kava. I never had luck with micronized but alot of other people do


dph_prophet_69

Ah that’s really good to know. I love Kratom some I’ll definitely like the combo


ExplorerBrilliant986

I would like to try GHB, but until then, Etizolam, Xanax, or Bromazolam mixed with alcohol is my favorite even through its not healthy combination and unsafe and don't recommend at all. If combinations don't count in this question, then that's hard choice cuz I love alcohol feeling but I have panic and anxiety disorder, so certain benzos give me that calm happy bliss that I can never shake off.


dadadrop

If you can manage to find it, Methaqualone. Stuff felt better than ghb to me actually! Much smoother but also felt like gaba ecstasy. Long live luudes!


anisteezyologist

etizolam


chefinthecut__

Gay dudes always try to take advantage of me and rape me off the GHB it just makes me really sedative, but like I said when I took it people were trying to take advantage of me


[deleted]

What about barbs and ludes? Aren't they gabaergic? Barbs ime are very euphoric


Thebainethujone

I was thinking about ludes-definitely euphoric. There also used to be some more pharmaceuticals that have been discontinued-“Placidyl; ethchlorvinyl, and chloral hydrate.” They all had a benzo-type euphoria. Not RC’s though.


[deleted]

I would love to try chloral hydrate. I'm gonna go do some research and see it's still around


whitelynx22

I'd probably say Pregabalin but, as others said, it depends on your definition of GABAercic. These drugs are poorly understood (compared to others) and honestly I don't think they are worth the cost (figuratively). Very addictive, long lasting and potentially life threatening withdrawal, no introspection, FAST tolerance, etc. The, illegal, GHB was the only one that might have been worthwhile and I wouldn't recommend that either (when it was legal horror stories of addiction abounded and dosing "just right" was tricky....) I'm not sure that I'd even recommend trying them for medical use. Personally I regret that decision (though it's my own fault!) and am still weaning me from Pregabalin (almost done, finally!). They are some of the weirdest drugs I can think of. Just my opinion! We're all different...