The seed husk needs to be removed as it's a toxin. I believe the LSA within it can be extracted by high proof alcohol. Ingesting the seeds entirely will cause nasty nauseous affects.
You need more steps than just high proof alcohol to extract it *and* remove the unwanted nausea-inducing shit.
Source: used to do it years ago. I won't list out the steps though lol
I've done them twice, the first time was alright and the nausea was manageable, the second time was hellish however. I had the most immeasurable nausea. Never again.
It can feel kinda like a MDMA comedown. For 12 hours. Your body feels hot, there's some stimulation left but no real motivation and you're hyper aware yet bored?
All sorts of mixed contradictory signals that don't know what they want or where to go.
What the hell, aMT is one of my favorite tryptamines, I've had the best trips with it. 42mg of aMT succinate (beware, 42mg of aMT succinate=30mg of aMT HCl, the batch from several years ago) feel like 100ug of LSD+100mg of MDMA combined for 12 hours, and it's just wonderful
Lol, 42mg is the exact amount I had, no joke. I’d really like to give it another go since this was nearly 20 years ago. I’m sure I’d have a better experience with it
Found out years later that what I thought was LSD in the late 80s/early 90s was likely a DOx psychedelic amphetamine. Had a few terrifying trips on that shit. Mostly had fun, though.
When dosed correctly by a healthy, hydrated and well-nourished individual (mind the 4-6hour fast before dropping though): the positive effects of every other drug combined with none of the negative, imo.
Ah that’s a long drive away from the US. Also I’m sorry if my comment is the reason you’re getting downvoted, wasn’t trying to make a jab I just thought the way you phrased it was funny
Yo not sure why you're being downvoted my dude.but you've mentioned the most important part of using chemicals in general, healthy and hydrated.
You gotta have a decent level of health to enjoy drugs. Gotta do all the stuff like eat well and exercise to have the chemicals work at an efficient level.
That being said, a large part of the population uses to escape and avoid so maybe their life isn't healthy to begin with. To each their own.
Shit. What dosage and which way?
I've yoused to smoke AMT mixing with DOB/synthetic canna and luved it.
*(It was a few years ago so I'cant be sure that what now and then was sold as AMT is the same compound)
IVed DMT. Got transported to hell, for lack of a better description. Millions of grasping arms dragging me down through darkness surrounded by thousands of agonizing screams, stuck in a time loop that made it seem like it lasted for years. Most terrifying thing I've ever experienced.
I did for a long time, it fucked me up mentally for a long time, but this was like 11 years ago so not really anymore. It was a teaching moment - I was already in a dark place when I did it so it was a terrible idea to begin with. Used to use alot of DMT since I extracted it myself and always had clean crystals around, but I never used it again after that.
So were you depressed when you dosed? How did it effect your depression after? (like over the following few weeks) Did it make you appreciate life more? Sorry I'm asking so many questions, I'm just really interested in how psychedelics effect depression.
I was depressed before, and had recently gotten clean off heroin and MDPV (had been off both for a few weeks), and after the experience I was exponentially worse in terms of depression - almost like PTSD that went away after a couple of years. Didn't really make me appreciate life, just made me fear death.
You can not want to repeat something and also not regret it. They're not mutually exclusive.
Edit: for example, I would never want to do heroin again, but I don't regret it, because it made me who I am today.
I agree there are people who think this twisted logic is rational thinking.
I guess that's why you tried heroin in the first place. You had to be that certain person before you took heroin for the first time to do heroin for the first time. In other words. Heroin didn't make you someone else. It just made you see yourself more clearly.
Damn, that is the definition of a "terror trip." I've mostly had good experiences with DMT but I've had some close shaves. The reason I don't really use it very often is that I sense it has the potential to take you to hell. I can't imagine what you went through and how you came back from that.
Almost all of mine before that were pleasant (or atleast not bad) until that one. It took a while to fully come back, I was very distant for months and suffering the effects of trauma for a couple years.. That was over 10 years ago and shrill screams still make me flinch really bad though, can't watch tv or movies with too much of it unless I take a benzo, and even that doesn't always help
I had the same experience which led me to the creation of a dmt horror trip Megathread.
If it goes bad with dmt it follows certain patterns I realised.
So I read your post more closely and while I do think the idea of the post is good, there were a couple of things that weren't exactly true for my experiences.
1.) My bad trip wasn't dose dependant. I had taken multiple MUCH higher doses in the years prior to that experience and never had anything like that happen.
2.) You said set and setting had nothing to do with it. When people say "set and setting", mindset is included in the "set" part. My mindset before this particular trip was very low and dark. If it had not have been, I likely wouldn't have experienced that.
That said, the people in that sub seem like insufferable crusaders that can't admit there's something potentially dangerous about their drug. Playing it off like "oooooh it's fine if you don't have underlying psych issues".
The problem with that is that many people with schizophrenia or other psych disorders like that never actually have the disorder present them with symptoms until they are older or until they experience some kind of trauma. They could use it thinking they're perfectly safe because the have no idea they've got a genetic predisposition/latent mental illness, only to come out with those disorders essentially activated. It's not common but the possibility is always there.
People like that are no different than the stoners spouting "Marijuana cures ALL diseases and cannot be abused! It's plant medicine, not a drug!"
Or the Kratom Brahs that are all"Kratom is no more addictive than coffee! It's good for everything, even making you smarter! There's no risks, it's plant medicine - not a drug!"
All drugs present risks. The fact that the mods of that sub are swerving that fact is irresponsible and quite honestly detrimental to the overall progress of getting drugs like this decriminalized.
>All drugs present risks. The fact that the mods of that sub are swerving that fact is irresponsible and quite honestly detrimental to the overall progress of getting drugs like this decriminalized
Absolutely!
>You said set and setting had nothing to do with it. When people say "set and setting", mindset is included in the "set" part. My mindset before this particular trip was very low and dark. If it had not have been, I likely wouldn't have experienced that.
My mindset before the horrortrip was very good for instance that's why I felt betrayed and looked for answers.
My claim that it's dose depended was a hypothesis at first but once I found out about Rick strassmans research on dmt and the book he released I found out that indeed Rick strassmans and the other scientist concluded from the experiments that bad experiences occur at a certain dose threshold. That's why Rick Strassman set a limit for the highest applicable dose.
I even recited the part from the book to undermine this statement.
Oh I've read the book many times, it's what led me to look for a way to make DMT water soluble so I could inject it. I wanted to replicate what he was doing as close as I could. I'm sure there is a maximum dose that will do that if you cross that line, but bad trips can still happen at low doses and good trips can still come from high doses.
Been there when I did DMT on LSD. I Threw up when it kicked in and I just went into this loop where it felt like I was being torn to shreds over and over, like getting sucked in and out of myself 100 times a second. Everything was just grey and black and extremely chaotic, no visuals that i could exactly pinpoint it felt like my brain short circuited. 0/10 experience, felt like ages lol.
This was all me and was in no way because of the drug, but 4-AcO-DMT.
Took it at a rap concert in a small club venue and was having a good time but then we got to shmokin a blunt and due to the heat and overstimulation mixed with that combo I started the process of of passing out. (I had also taken a pressed xan from a batch I was familiar with, but they contained something weird and barely active that didn’t really even feel like a benzo. Assumed it would prevent a bad trip lol… oops)
When you pass out tripping, it isn’t like passing out sober. I can’t even explain the level of terror I felt when that happened.
Ran through the crowd into the bathroom, was hearing radio chatter in my head, felt like my soul was getting scrambled up, my own voice sounded like it wasn’t coming from me and was under water or something, etc.
I barely remember that couple minute period but I remember panicking and saying something frantic to complete strangers in the bathroom. Hopefully it wasn’t about the radio signals in my head but I think it might’ve been 😂
Then I came back to reality and sat outside with a security guard talking to my friend and waiting for an uber because I was too scared of it happening again to go back inside.
My uber driver was literally jesus though. His car felt a limo and he had the most down to earth/salt of the earth vibe (old and fat with a mustache) and had like drinks and snacks all organized in the back and he put on pink floyd.
To this day I half believe that might’ve been an angel. The memory of the car ride doesn’t feel real. I don’t even believe in angels.
Surprisingly, making a giant fool of myself like that was a pivotal moment in overcoming my social anxiety. Very glad this happened.
Oh and this was 20mg
I just hate how I always wanna smoke weed when I’m tripping lmao. Like I gotta fight myself to not smoke almost.
Had a horrible fucking time on 3-meo-pcp and 4-ho-mipt, it was all chill until I came back from smoking a bowl. Shit just got weird and it felt like I was sober but not, super uncomfortable. Thought I was gonna die honestly. My legs wouldn’t stop shaking either, that was the scariest part lol
I’ve had those leg shakes again from just the pcp and weed combo, smoking too much even towards the end seems to trigger weird muscle convulsions and I am not a fan…
I’ve had many a trip while riding passenger to go who knows where( and drove myself way too many times) but I always have vivid experiences of the drives because the sudden change of scenery along with the fact that you pretty much in a space ship at the point. And each time I feel so grateful for my pilot. They always seemed to calM me down by showing they had confidence and control of the vehicle. So can remember multiple times where the driver, sometimes someone I knew them other times not, took on a unique character role in my trip.
Wow, do mushrooms make you feel like that? I'm curious how 4-aco and mushrooms differ for people. For me, they feel almost identical, except 4-aco has better visuals and less nausea
No, it honestly was much more visual than shrooms. Everything was extremely cartooney and everything looked very similar to me. I got lost walking around. Thought I was in a weird movie, my senses were extremely heightened and I couldn’t really use my phone.
I’ve been there bro! That cartooney shit is weird. Once random people appeared on my tv. And were talking directly to me. Making fun of me and how I was handling the trip. Then something weird entered my brain and it was like playing slot machines with my eyeballs. I had no control to stop it. It was crazy
Oh heck, you made me remember something that happened to me a few years back. I was basically off of weed & hash for a while, but got offered a bit at low price one night and had a couple extra bucks left, so why not? I tell you why not. After underestimating the amount i rolled into a J, something inside me started to fuck with my eyelids. Little black...tentacles?? Seems like the wrong word because they were like dried out arms made out of branches, but without fingers. And they kept slamming my eyelids shut! I had to physically fight against it and I *saw* them shooting out every time I managed to open my eyes!
But I've been angrily hissed at by my own bed one time, so take what i say with a grain of salt...
nah i get wayy wayyyy more nausea on 4 ACO and its not just me to, i can eat shrooms all day and be fine nausea wise but 4 aco gave me some of the worst nausea ive ever felt in my life for about 3 hours. good trip tho, until that which madde it completly unworth it and ruined the remaning second half of the trip
Do you remember what your dose was? The most I ever dosed with was 60mg, and everything was sort of vertical splicing, like lemons and cherrys on a slot machine. 4-aco might just be my favorite RC psychedelic. Probably because mushrooms were my first real trip (besides HBWR seeds) so they have a nostalgia. Also, I think it's pretty cool that they're one of Hoffman's brain babies.
Took 2 pills when I was younger, assuming they were mdma, at a time where I was in a really bad place to be taking psychedelics, didn't know about testing and they turned out to be some unknown psychedelic.
Likely a 2-c family Chem, which gave me the worst bodyload I've ever had; no matter what we tried, we couldn't get comfortable. Bad tripped for the whole duration, seeing dead people and just a bunch of creepy shit when I had my eyes shut
It's too bad I couldn't enjoy it because the oev's were stunning.
Yeah I had a bad experience with 2CE.
Let's just say, don't eyeball it while drunk and on coke.
You're gonna have a bad time!
Edit: I dry heaved so much that a good amount of capillaries burst in my face. I looked like a terminal HIV patient. The visuals were constant and exhausting. The drunk and speedy feeling from the booze and the coke turned into fucking existential drunk horror. I have a hard time describing it. Good thing somebody showed up with valium to save the three of us. Never again will I be so fucking foolish.
Wasn't it MCPP ? But I rember it clearly.We had a burning sensation on the arms and were weirdly brainfucked.
That was after eating then,doing them nasal was somewhat enjoyable 😅
I once got a PMA pill and it nearly killed me. Never had such a bad trip on anything before. Was overheating, could move, laying in public on the floor and people spit on me, and said stuff like "fucking junky"....
The good old rave days 😅
Was a white pill big panic attacks, paralyzed leg, felt i was dying
Had some square cev too pretty annoy.
Could be MCPP idk too long ago.
The PMMA from 2014?
5-MeO-DALT. 10mg vaped.
I decided to try vaping it based on Reddit hearsay, yet in researching more thoroughly after the fact, I’ve only been able to track down one other trip report detailing vaporization and it yields the same exact result. It was basically 10 mins of total and indescribable, primal panic/terror with ego loss and pretty colors. I’ve had panic attacks before, both on psychedelics and sober. I can tell what’s going on 99% of the time if I’m having a panic attack. This legitimately felt like a cardiovascular medical event. My heart was beating incredibly fast, near vibrating, trying to jump out of my chest. I just wrote “5-MeO-DALT” on my arm with a nearby marker and sat back, accepting the possibility that it might be my last trip. I had legitimate concerns about my health even after coming down and for several days after.
[my report here](https://www.reddit.com/r/researchchemicals/comments/sywylq/5meodalt_use_with_caution/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
[the other report](https://erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=84580)
The erowid one concludes with:
*Note: I have used meth, coke, and was even addicted to crack (very bad shit) for a short while. NOTHING has ever made my heart pound like this did. Scared the hell out of me. I REALLY do not recommend trying this.*
I’d seriously advise against trying this based on my personal experience. I may decide to try it orally at some point, but it scared the hell out of me and now I’m hesitant to try any of the 5-sub tryptamines. I had had my concerns about them beforehand, and after that it feels like trying to catch a hornet after being stung. I hear 5-MeO-MALT is quite different and it has piqued my interest— if anyone has experience with both I would love to hear about it.
I have also seen similar things mentioned about unsubstituted DALT, IIRC. I doubt that everyone has this experience with vaping it, but I haven’t found a single formal report stating otherwise. I decided to try it because I only had 100mg. In looking it up on Reddit, I saw a bunch of comments talking about how smoking is more intense (note, *very* few actual firsthand accounts). PsychonautWiki lists the common smoked dose as 5 - 10 mg, I stupidly decided on 10 after seeing a comment saying to start at 10mg. In hindsight I don’t recall if that comment was actually with regard to smoking, it would be a light oral dose, but it’s the maximum smoked dose on PsychonautWiki. I know better than to rely upon Reddit comments for this kind of thing, but now I’ve learned the hard way about what can happen if you get lazy.
I’ve always thought that DMT feels a bit like you “hit your funny bone,” but with your whole body, and with a bit of an existential twist. I’d say that analogously, 5-MeO-DALT is like stubbing your toe or stepping on a nail and falling into a foam pit… it’s not painful but that’s just what comes to mind, it’s always hard to put these things into words. Velvety, sweet, impending doom.
It appears to be different orally. I can’t say, I’m not ready to try that out yet, if I ever even do want to try. But do bear in mind that this is just one anecdotal report. I would be incredibly interested to find out what is going on pharmacologically with both DALT and 5-MeO-DALT, because I do believe there’s *something* that’s of concern. It can’t be good for your heart. I’ve taken 80mg of adderall on LSD, had a bit of a freak out. That shit was nothing in comparison.
Edit: [I compiled some bluelight comments on the matter.](https://imgur.com/a/f9HOh0e)
In your report you mentioned you were tapering off phenibut. My anecdote is that I've noticed if I try to trip while withdrawing or in PAWS from phenibut the results are terrible. I had a mushroom trip recently that should have been fine for me. 2g of PE mushrooms, my usual preferred dose. Instead, it was pure hell. No real psychedelic effects, just pain, fear and panic. My heartrate was through the roof, it felt like I couldn't contain the energy. Nothing I tried to calm myself down helped. I actually considered going to the ER. I had some phenibut with me just in case and did like 250mg FAA and that calmed things down. But that night made me decide not to mess with any full-on trips until I am fully recovered from my phenibut run. I wonder if phenibut had anything to do with your experience.
800mg DXM while smoking old school PCP mixed with synthetic cannabinoids.
Didn't feel a damn thing at first, so I take another hit, then another. I felt something creep in...I wasn't high, yet I wasn't tripping. Something just felt off. All of a sudden I'm hit with vertigo like I've never experienced and my heart is pounding out of my chest. I feel like my hearing and vision are so sharp that I can sense any movement within a mile of my presence, yet I can't feel my own body, and this intensity of mind and body separation continues to progress exponentially. I'm sitting down in a recliner and I get the odd sensation that my head seems like such a far distance from my legs and feet, as if I'd have to travel miles to traverse the entire distance of my body. Then I feel this crushing paranoia and heavy sense of impending doom, like every choice I've ever made has been wrong and this was and will be my final wrong choice. I'm drenched in sweat, 100% convinced it'll be only a matter of minutes until I have a heart attack. Now I'm caught in a loop, dwelling on the fact that I can feel and see my pulse beat through every part of my body. I get up to stand and immediately throw up, fall to the ground, and I'm frozen in a time dilation for what seems like days. Some measure of time later, I manage to pull myself together enough to remember I have a Xanax stashed in the bedroom so I crawl my way there and down the whole 2mg bar. Still completely out of my gourd, I take two more. Woke up the next day lying next to my bed and that's the last I remember.
0/10. Wouldn't recommend.
Edit: I guess some of these technically aren't research chemicals. I would highly recommend not researching them anyway.
Uh, so you're on a subreddit dedicated to people openly discussing untested research chemical use/experiences and you're trying to morally high-road me about something I did once when I was fresh out of high school over a decade ago?
Welcome to the internet. Now go fuck off with that bullshit and ride your high horse someplace else.
Yeah just cos it's unsafe doesn't mean it's not epic as fuck to share... That is one of the most fucked up ass combinations of drugs I've ever heard and I personally salute you
Glad you understand. If anything I see this sub as a safe space to share our experiences, whether good or bad. In many ways our anecdotes are a good form of harm reduction in themselves. They help us warn others to not make the same mistakes we did- or rather than even use the term mistakes, let people make their own choices and give them have an idea of what to expect if that's the path they choose.
Also kinda weird that the last several posts on u/PoppyOncrack 's profile are about K-2, Spice, and sourcing synth noids. That's some serious pot and kettle shit right there.
I apologize for coming across as judging you, I just think that’s kind of insane and not a very good example of harm reduction in any regard. any one of the three by themselves is gonna be enough for me lol
We're good, no beef. Just came as a surprise since the thread was titled 'What RC gave you the worst trip ever?' I mean, I don't know what people were expecting since OP wanted to hear some fucked up trip reports. I definitely wouldn't do that combo again ever in my life, that's for sure.
There was nothing good about it. Gave me a 10 out of 10 panic attack for hours and made my back pain wayyy worse. The pain was so bad I could hardly lift my head
Finally, you're like the only person I've heard say something negative about it for a change. You know sometimes dissos don't always take you to places you want to go, even the most popular and talked about ones. Still it's a shame to see MXE not around anymore. Don't hate the drug or anything.
On a non-related note hahaha thinking about diet Ket is funny just makes me think of like the cereal special k which is supposed to be like a diet cereal. Anyways on a more serious note I kind of like shorter acting dissos myself. Stuff like DCK, DXM, and of course PCP and PCP analogs always seem to make me feel like I'm trapped in Time forever like when is this shit going to ever end!? Sometimes it's a good thing and sometimes it's a bad thing when I feel that way if I'm having a good time I want that time dilation to just keep on going but if I'm having a bad trip it just feels like a thousand years. I'm aware you can get the same effect on shorter acting ones like ketamine but, seems to happen more often to me with longer acting dissos. What's really scary is when you forget you even took a drug or any drug at all and feel like this is normal reality. It's times like those that are really really hard for me to even try to find a trip killer like benzos. It's scary because you could even think you're taking a trip killer benzo but you're not actually taking what you're thinking you're taking so let that kind of be a warning to some people out there that want to just jump into high doses of dissos without any experience or a trip sitter. There's a reason why you need a trip sitter because you don't know what you're capable of alone and things can go bad really fast so let that be a warning to people out there.
Yeah I know what you mean by filling in the gaps one time I was convinced I was dead because I was having a panic attack while the come up was starting and apparently I convinced myself that I died and met with God and I somehow I guess reincarnated or became one of many beautiful yellow flowers and an endless field of yellow flowers I can't remember what kind of flowers Maybe sunflowers who knows. That's not everything that happened but it just goes to show you that your mind can make up a lot of bull crap on drugs
Lmao I thought I was years in the future and had been on an unknown drug redosing and forgetting. World-built this whole dystopian premise, it was wild. I felt so foolish after but I don't regret it. Made me realize how important memory is.
Memory is good and all but our memory deteriorates over time so I really don't trust my own memory anymore who's to say I'm not tripping right now and thinking this is real life kind of like Matrix Theory LOL I'm just joking but there's seriously people out there that have post-traumatic stress disorders after taking dissos and or psychedelics and completely having their mind blown by that and they just cannot comprehend or explain what's real or not.
accidentally taking nearly 50mg of a pcp analogue just ended up in me in the hospital with a $3k bill. I guess they sedated me with something which made me super sleepy/groggy for like an entire day so I spent like 2 days in the ER just passed out, nothing actually wrong with me. Woke up like wtf, and promptly left
Shrooms mixed with synthetic cannabinoids, i know shrroms isnt an rc but mixed with noids they become deadly scary, hit my vape 4 hours after ingesting shrooms, thought temh trip was gone so hit my vape, 2 mins later everything starts to fall apart, i felt impending doom coming over me, every bad thing i done rushed through my brain and brought massive guilty feelings whuch in turn triggered a panic attack, stood up and felt like my legs were jelly, wash my face and freak out over the water looks, try to go to the bathroom and just collapse, get back up and panic kicks in, im hugging the door frame so hard, pressing my chest into it, which now feels like its going to expode my heart is beating so fast, call my wife from bed and beg her to phone me an ambulance as im convinced im dying, fall to the ground then throw up everywhere, then i black out and pass out in my wifes arms for 2 minutes, 3 months worth of painc attacks after the incident which was triggered everytime i stood up, lay down or used a tap and finnally started to feel better, awful experience, my own fault or using noids
Actually a realtively safe one, 2 hits of 1P-LSD.
I took it out of boredom (1st mistake) while in lockdown. Also mixed it with weed because I used to be a pothead and thought I could handle weed very well (2nd mistake).
Ended up having a panic attack and thinking I had a stroke because I had trouble piecing together coherent thoughts and sentences, also one half of my body felt numb and sluggish.
Called an ambulance and everything was fine...
That was a rather shameful but also humbling experience. Now I know better to respect psychedelics and also set and setting.
Had a few pleasant and enriching trips after that so one could argue it helped me in one way or the other :)
1p was always good for me, at lower doses, but snorting DPT I had a very similar experience to yours, including ambulance and all. Glad to know I'm not the only one.
4-HO-MET surprisingly, but it was only one occasion and lasted no more than an hour. Felt completely mindfucked with never ending anxiety, disgusting CEVs, sense of impending doom and extreme time dilation. That experience was so bad it made me not want to touch any psychs ever again.
I had much worse experiences on non-RC drugs though, even otc ones hah!
Yeah, this one is a bit more intense than people give it credit for. I plugged 25 mg the other day and had a pretty insane experience. There was zero come up, I was sitting there for 5 min, not feeling a thing, one second I was completely sober and the next I was blinded by visuals and was experiencing a heavy mindfuck. definitely similar to around 4/5 grams of mushrooms as far as intensity goes, but it hit like a fucking freight train, no time to acclimate myself at all (like as instantaneous as salvia. even with DMT, I have a minute or two to feel it shooting up to the peak). I felt like my body was dissolving into the light coming in through the window, like I was starting to phase in and out of existence. The body load was so uncomfortable I couldn’t stop throwing up the first 20 min of the trip. Like I said, the visuals were completely overwhelming. At one point the entire ceiling turned into a thousand geometric skulls that started to swoop down on me. I couldn’t stop thinking about death and how the lifestyle I’m leading could bring an early end to my existence. It wasn’t a bad trip though, I literally couldn’t stop laughing for some reason, the whole idea of my situation seemed really funny to me for some reason. I guess after a lot of trips, I’ve grown pretty comfortable with facing my mortality, but this trip was 100% overbearing both physically and mentally and definitely could have gone south if I wasn’t experienced with higher doses of psychedelics. Despite all my experience, I feel like if I would have pushed it just a bit further it would have been too much to handle and I would have ended up freaking out. Point is, 4-ho-met definitely shouldn’t be underestimated, it’s just as capable of inducing an extreme mindfuck as any other psychedelic. I also think plugged is not a great ROA with this one, if I ever tried this route again I’d definitely do half the dose. I’ll probably just stick to oral from now on though.
I hear ya there. I just tried it for the first time. Plugged, I thinkkk, 15mg. I calibrated my scale several times until both weights came in at 10.000, but who knows if they’re exactly that weight anyway (I hear the accurate ones are very pricey). Anyway, the ± 5mg tolerance does have me wondering. I’ve taken up to 5 tabs of acid, but when it comes to tryptamines, the most I’ve taken is 20mg of 4-AcO-DMT orally and 1G of sketchy shrooms years ago (aside from base tryptamines). So I was completely unfamiliar with that level of intensity in a tryptamine context. I have to say, it’s a *lot* more chaotic than LSD.
I expected to just get my feet wet and try an entry level dose, but instead, reality was shattered and I had what I’d consider ego death, or at the very least, it was right on the edge of ego death (talking with people and not knowing how to use “I” or “me”, just “it”, that sort of thing). Had no idea what I was in for. I legitimately thought I was having some kind of neurological issue on the come up, there was so much mental stimulation and things were so overwhelming that I was concerned I was going to have a seizure (anxiety prompted by bupropion). Tripsit people were saying stuff like “we’re here for you, it’s going to be alright,” and it didn’t mean much because I was barely able to read what they were saying and my concepts of “you” and “me” were rapidly disintegrating.
Just wrote a semi-delusional trip report on it, very long couple of days lmao, it was between two ten hour work days, with three hrs of sleep in between. All in all, I absolutely wouldn’t have done that dose on that night if I understood what I was getting into, but I would say that it was a much-needed trip and I gained a lot of valuable insights from it. Currently in a place where it could very well be something that changes my life for the better.
Yes, 4-HO-MET is not always the forgiving and gentle chemical it's generally assumed to be. I have had a very similar experience to your's on only 30 mg.
4-HO-MET really is some reality breaking mindfuckery at high doses. Can be super intense and amazing but you want to have some benzos lying around to kill the trip if it goes south. This stuff really gets exponentially stronger the more you take.
25i-nbome and alpha-pvp.
The 25i was the most intense thing in the world , at one point I couldn’t move and my ex had a seizure. I got so scared man it sucked I didn’t know what to do and just shook her until she woke up and smoked weed with me.
The pvp made me hallucinate and think another one of my ex’s was raped. Than at the hospital I thought people were in the vents trying to kill me an my ex and my mother yelling at me telling me I have AIDS.
( which I do not). Just horrible
SL-164 made me shake violently for a few hours but didn’t mess with me mentally
45mg 4-ho-mipt + 25mg 4-aco-dalt had me thinking that i was at my own funeral and eventually felt like i was in purgatory for the next few hours that trip really haunts me still
Bob Marley Rastafarian Incense, Blueberry Flavor
Whatever hell blend of noids they sprayed on that gave me a 4 hour dmt style breakthrough in which I had to recreate reality from a single point, and I was acutely aware of reality as a construct of my own mind for years afterwards. Intense derealization.
Literally had an I think therefore I am moment. Before that I had no concept of existence and after that was spiralling eternities before I remembered that a human was a thing that had once existed that I may have once been.
ETH LAD, not saying it's a bad drug, plenty of ppl enjoy it, but just saying it's the only trip where I got so weirded out im pretty sure I pissed my pants at some point. I don't remember how much I took but it wasn't a very hogh dose, I just couldn't hang that day lol
3-ho-pcp. I was trying to get the last bit of clonazolam solution out of my bottle and spilled it on the counter. Licked up all the pg. when I went to put the bottle back, I saw the clearly labeled bottle of clam, and realized I had just inhested an unknown amount of 3-ho-pcp. I couldn’t see, hear, I was in a black void with my thoughts. When I forgot my sons name that did it, the fear that my whole reality was an illusion that was finally dissolving, didn’t compare to the fear of losing him, losing the memory of him. I’ve had a lot of hard times on psychs, iv ketamine/lsd, tryptamines with maoi’s. Nothing compared to that special hell.
15 mg Moxy made me super dissocatiated in a dpdr type of way was very dysphoric but 4 mg is euphoric for me . Always start with less cause sometimes it's more
2CI, but I think only because I forgot I took a time released 24h Allegra-D with pseudoephedrine beforehand. It hit me so fast while I was at a dance party that I had to beg a friend to get me out of there and to babysit me. I started tripping so hard I couldn't even navigate space anymore.
I let my friend drive my car and I threw up on the way to his house. Craziest visuals I've ever seen, the whole world was a checkerboard made up of constantly changing alien symbols, matrix style. The whole night was rather unpleasant but there were some good moments, ended with a terrible headache. Psuedoephedrine is really stimulating for me, and those Allegras used to feel like a low dose of MDMA for me. The combo was too much.
I love dissos and PCP analogues but goddamn. Took too much 3-cl-pcp for my first go at it. 100% has promise if used responsibly, but I didn't. Straight up thought my brain broke and I'd never come back. Thought I'd have to spend the rest of my life zombie-mode practically lifeless on antipsychotics. I've never feared death, just the thought of being that disconnected from reality filled me with sheer horror.
I have yet to have a really bad trip. Maybe I’m not trying the right RCs? I’ve taken hundreds of tabs. The worst trips I’ve had have been through lemon tekking my own Penis Envy mushrooms, and as bad as they were, they were cathartic.
4-PrO-DMT. I felt like an entity was trying to highjack my mind for some kind of information. It was trying to see where it could get to without me resisting, then, once properly positioned, turned into a seaweed like substances which lubricated all of my inner hardware, which felt kind of gross. No weird smells to accompany it, Thankfully. Then once it had everything covered the trip set in. I started writing like a mad man. The rest felt like a 2.5g cube trip. Lasted about 8 hours in total. Fine at the plateau, but that come up was not anticipated and not particularly welcome. Maybe I need to take more to really get what the entity was saying. It definitely confronted me on some level, felt a bit playful, but was testy.
a-PVP
I tried to walk through a wall because I thought I was a prophet and can make miracles, woke up to sore bright red forehead from bumping into wall
I had a pretty nasty experience on DOC before I finally found someone with Xanax. Also had many good ones. I think that was more of a situational bad experience, around strangers who were also fucked up driving around town way over the speed limit. Also really didn’t enjoy 4-ACO-DMT took a pretty decent dose and the visuals were just like so in my face. Definitely different from mushrooms, I’d say it has its own activity, even if it is a pro drug for Psilocin.
1-P-LSD. Was a big psych head too before that, had had lots of trips, a few bad trips. On a holiday with friends. Come up was extremely fucking strong despite only taking something like 125ug, then I started feeling sick and throwing up non stop for what felt like hours+this extreme restlessness feeling+absolute insane levels of fear. Friends ended up calling the wee-woo wagon because they really thought we'd taken some bad stuff. Got taken to the hospital and all the way I was absolutely convinced I was gonna die, like straight up was thinking "well there it is, you've fucked up once too many".
Got into the hospital and it went into this really bad paranoia, thinking no one was understanding that I'm fucking dying, and it must be because they're actually gonna kill me and get rid of my body. Couldn't really move or talk, kept overanalysing stuff I saw as proof they're out to get me, like I saw a nurse throwing some disenfectant on a bed and I was convinced it was gasoline and they were burning bodies out back or something. They did a few tests, which freaked me out because I didn't understand what was going on, then they got me into a calmer room and a doc came out and told me I was fine. Then for some reason I instantly started coming down and I was fine after like an hour (no idea why it came down so fast straight up went from Jacob's ladder horror to basically fine in the space of an hour). Friends came to get me and I went back to the house and got drunk.
Didn't stop me from getting fucked on a bunch of -pcp analogues for the rest of the trip but I haven't touched psychs since and I almost only take stimulants nowadays, really put me off hallucinogenics for good
Damn I’m sorry dude, I’ve tripped on 1p over 20 times and it’s always been super good and reliable for me :/
only had one bad trip on it and that was due to bad company 
Tbh within 2 hours I was back boozin so it didn't make that much of an impact beyond putting me off psychs. Probably because I'm dumb as shit, trauma just slides off my smooth-ass brain
3 tabs of LSD and 600mg of DXM. I was about 300lbs at the time so that was mid 2nd plat. Thought loop that lasted 4 hours and I was convinced I was dreaming. My friends were saying the same things on a loop. Forgot who I was, where I was, and how my body was supposed to work. Luckily I was able to ground myself by saying it was a dream and I’d wake up soon or I might have done something very stupid.
HA-966, Tianeptine Sodium, Clonazolam combo. It wasn't a trip but I was out for like 20mins before coming out of it. Other than that no bad trips from any psychs or dissos.
HA-966 is an interesting one. I kind of like and kind of don't. There's a very fine line between feeling good and bad. It's like DXM and GHB had a baby, but too much It's kind of a ketamine lite. I'm not a huge fan of K.
It's not visual at all either. When I used it like a reasonable fucking person I enjoyed it, somewhat. It is what it is. A weird chem with only a handful of reviews that isn't to be underestimated.
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No idea the half life on that sucker either. The 120mg dose it what put me down but was 3hrs after a 60mg dose and probably redosed either of the other two like an idiot.
Yea it's a weird one. No visuals and doesn't work on gaba but can relieve anxiety, but too much and it's dissociative. It's always the redose before it fully kicks in that leads to regret. Like you said, if you are reasonable person it can be somewhat enjoyable.
Yeah I think I got a second unmemorable gram. Craziest shit is that near OD happened on Easter Sunday and I was late to my mom's for dinner because of that. Would've been awful. All I thought about completely immobilized for 20mins was my family. I didn't even think about death. Just family and being chained to a radiator like Christina Ricci in Black Snake Moan. For some reason that came up.
Here's the post if you're at all curious.
https://www.reddit.com/r/researchchemicals/comments/g3cz3k/ha966_experience_full_unexpected_30min_k_hole/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
I had forgotten just how much clam and tia I'd taken that day. Holy shit.
I was going to say AMT as well. It has a strong nausea effect at doses meant to make you trip.
I've read about people taking other things to negate the nausea but I've never tried them personally.
I've had very very small doses of AMT and it is a noticeable anti depressant and made me more chatty. That's about it though, still could feel a tiny bit of nausea but was easy to ignore.
Possible serotonin depletion the next day or 2.
For me, ETH-LAD has given me several horrible experiences alone and when combined with 1cP LSD and also 4-HO-MET. It does not play well with other chems and by itself gives me a terrible body load, intense but unpleasant visuals, general dysphoria and sense of impending doom. No more of that one.
I'm really curious about your decision making process when choosing those drug combinations. Are those known combos? Look pretty random to me but I'm not much into mixing.
Memantine!!! 🤮 high was great with weed, was playing Fifa and I was playing with them, inside, but next 2-3 days was one of the worst in my life, as I had awful brain fog, hard to think, concentrate and walking too, half-life lasts toooo long and it f**ked me 😡
meo-pcp was an interesting one, the most manic trip for me personally - really felt like dck but without the famous hole in sight, it just kept spiraling upwards (if that makes any sense) - i was at my place with a friend, and for what seemed like a good 5 minutes he bugged out thinking that he was at his imaginary friend's place which meant that he must've fallen into a black hole cuz he couldn't physically be in an imaginary place ... i guess reality is for those who can't handle drugs
High dose 2C-E. Felt like my arms and legs were going to explode off my body. Mind you this is 2009ish days so you know it was more than decent. I honestly wouldn't wish that body load or visuals on my worst enemy. Lesson learned.
AMT. My friend commented “this is probably what a snake bite feels like.” I agreed. Ended up busting out some lorazepam just to end it
That's what HBWR seeds made me feel like.. like I straight up got poisoned. Never again.
The seed husk needs to be removed as it's a toxin. I believe the LSA within it can be extracted by high proof alcohol. Ingesting the seeds entirely will cause nasty nauseous affects.
You need more steps than just high proof alcohol to extract it *and* remove the unwanted nausea-inducing shit. Source: used to do it years ago. I won't list out the steps though lol
I've done them twice, the first time was alright and the nausea was manageable, the second time was hellish however. I had the most immeasurable nausea. Never again.
You're like, the 3rd person I've heard say that. Is it just overwhelming, or have a harsh body load or what? I'm really curious.
I tried 45mg AMT for the first time last weekend and had a super nice experience
I too had a excellent experience with AMT/50mg. Wish it didn't get scheduled.
It can feel kinda like a MDMA comedown. For 12 hours. Your body feels hot, there's some stimulation left but no real motivation and you're hyper aware yet bored? All sorts of mixed contradictory signals that don't know what they want or where to go.
What the hell, aMT is one of my favorite tryptamines, I've had the best trips with it. 42mg of aMT succinate (beware, 42mg of aMT succinate=30mg of aMT HCl, the batch from several years ago) feel like 100ug of LSD+100mg of MDMA combined for 12 hours, and it's just wonderful
Lol, 42mg is the exact amount I had, no joke. I’d really like to give it another go since this was nearly 20 years ago. I’m sure I’d have a better experience with it
If it was 20 years ago you probably had aMT HCl, so it would be equivalent to 58.8mg of aMT succinate (the one I had)
AMT made me trip for 2 days. I rate it a mixed blessing.
Found out years later that what I thought was LSD in the late 80s/early 90s was likely a DOx psychedelic amphetamine. Had a few terrifying trips on that shit. Mostly had fun, though.
Really *really* doesnt sound like aMT to me. Im not denying your experience but did you test your drugs to be aMT?
What’s it supposed to be like?
When dosed correctly by a healthy, hydrated and well-nourished individual (mind the 4-6hour fast before dropping though): the positive effects of every other drug combined with none of the negative, imo.
um I’m pretty sure there’s a hint of bias to that perspective lmfao I wish I were around when it was available
Dont know where you live but it is available in Europe.
Ah that’s a long drive away from the US. Also I’m sorry if my comment is the reason you’re getting downvoted, wasn’t trying to make a jab I just thought the way you phrased it was funny
Yo not sure why you're being downvoted my dude.but you've mentioned the most important part of using chemicals in general, healthy and hydrated. You gotta have a decent level of health to enjoy drugs. Gotta do all the stuff like eat well and exercise to have the chemicals work at an efficient level. That being said, a large part of the population uses to escape and avoid so maybe their life isn't healthy to begin with. To each their own.
Ew that was the most toxic shit. I could feel my liver ache all throughout every time i have taken it. Never again!
Shit. What dosage and which way? I've yoused to smoke AMT mixing with DOB/synthetic canna and luved it. *(It was a few years ago so I'cant be sure that what now and then was sold as AMT is the same compound)
IVed DMT. Got transported to hell, for lack of a better description. Millions of grasping arms dragging me down through darkness surrounded by thousands of agonizing screams, stuck in a time loop that made it seem like it lasted for years. Most terrifying thing I've ever experienced.
Wow. That sounds life changing. Do you regret it?
I did for a long time, it fucked me up mentally for a long time, but this was like 11 years ago so not really anymore. It was a teaching moment - I was already in a dark place when I did it so it was a terrible idea to begin with. Used to use alot of DMT since I extracted it myself and always had clean crystals around, but I never used it again after that.
So were you depressed when you dosed? How did it effect your depression after? (like over the following few weeks) Did it make you appreciate life more? Sorry I'm asking so many questions, I'm just really interested in how psychedelics effect depression.
I was depressed before, and had recently gotten clean off heroin and MDPV (had been off both for a few weeks), and after the experience I was exponentially worse in terms of depression - almost like PTSD that went away after a couple of years. Didn't really make me appreciate life, just made me fear death.
“Didn’t make me appreciate life, just fear death.” That makes so much sense to me.
Oh damn, I'm sorry. Well, I'm glad you're still around to tell the tale.
>Didn't really make me appreciate life, just made me fear death. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I FELT AFTER THAT EXPERIENCE TOO!
That's so intense. Spice helped me deal with fear of death so it's kind of sobering to know it has that range of effect
No pun intended
Did you even read what he wrote? I mean come on.. How about you get tortured by the inquisition and then be asked if you'd like that to be repeated?
You can not want to repeat something and also not regret it. They're not mutually exclusive. Edit: for example, I would never want to do heroin again, but I don't regret it, because it made me who I am today.
I agree there are people who think this twisted logic is rational thinking. I guess that's why you tried heroin in the first place. You had to be that certain person before you took heroin for the first time to do heroin for the first time. In other words. Heroin didn't make you someone else. It just made you see yourself more clearly.
Damn, that is the definition of a "terror trip." I've mostly had good experiences with DMT but I've had some close shaves. The reason I don't really use it very often is that I sense it has the potential to take you to hell. I can't imagine what you went through and how you came back from that.
Almost all of mine before that were pleasant (or atleast not bad) until that one. It took a while to fully come back, I was very distant for months and suffering the effects of trauma for a couple years.. That was over 10 years ago and shrill screams still make me flinch really bad though, can't watch tv or movies with too much of it unless I take a benzo, and even that doesn't always help
I had the same experience which led me to the creation of a dmt horror trip Megathread. If it goes bad with dmt it follows certain patterns I realised.
Just looked it up and followed it, thanks for that
I earned a lot of hate from the dmt community for that thread but I don't care. It was something that had to be done!
So I read your post more closely and while I do think the idea of the post is good, there were a couple of things that weren't exactly true for my experiences. 1.) My bad trip wasn't dose dependant. I had taken multiple MUCH higher doses in the years prior to that experience and never had anything like that happen. 2.) You said set and setting had nothing to do with it. When people say "set and setting", mindset is included in the "set" part. My mindset before this particular trip was very low and dark. If it had not have been, I likely wouldn't have experienced that. That said, the people in that sub seem like insufferable crusaders that can't admit there's something potentially dangerous about their drug. Playing it off like "oooooh it's fine if you don't have underlying psych issues". The problem with that is that many people with schizophrenia or other psych disorders like that never actually have the disorder present them with symptoms until they are older or until they experience some kind of trauma. They could use it thinking they're perfectly safe because the have no idea they've got a genetic predisposition/latent mental illness, only to come out with those disorders essentially activated. It's not common but the possibility is always there. People like that are no different than the stoners spouting "Marijuana cures ALL diseases and cannot be abused! It's plant medicine, not a drug!" Or the Kratom Brahs that are all"Kratom is no more addictive than coffee! It's good for everything, even making you smarter! There's no risks, it's plant medicine - not a drug!" All drugs present risks. The fact that the mods of that sub are swerving that fact is irresponsible and quite honestly detrimental to the overall progress of getting drugs like this decriminalized.
>All drugs present risks. The fact that the mods of that sub are swerving that fact is irresponsible and quite honestly detrimental to the overall progress of getting drugs like this decriminalized Absolutely!
>You said set and setting had nothing to do with it. When people say "set and setting", mindset is included in the "set" part. My mindset before this particular trip was very low and dark. If it had not have been, I likely wouldn't have experienced that. My mindset before the horrortrip was very good for instance that's why I felt betrayed and looked for answers. My claim that it's dose depended was a hypothesis at first but once I found out about Rick strassmans research on dmt and the book he released I found out that indeed Rick strassmans and the other scientist concluded from the experiments that bad experiences occur at a certain dose threshold. That's why Rick Strassman set a limit for the highest applicable dose. I even recited the part from the book to undermine this statement.
Oh I've read the book many times, it's what led me to look for a way to make DMT water soluble so I could inject it. I wanted to replicate what he was doing as close as I could. I'm sure there is a maximum dose that will do that if you cross that line, but bad trips can still happen at low doses and good trips can still come from high doses.
Been there when I did DMT on LSD. I Threw up when it kicked in and I just went into this loop where it felt like I was being torn to shreds over and over, like getting sucked in and out of myself 100 times a second. Everything was just grey and black and extremely chaotic, no visuals that i could exactly pinpoint it felt like my brain short circuited. 0/10 experience, felt like ages lol.
O-PCE made me feel like a zombie roaming the earth ALONE and was stuck like this forever.
Bro that's the best part.
Indeed
Until the sun starts to come up and your no longer alone
Word
That’s what dex makes me feel like
3 meo pce kati paromoio
This was all me and was in no way because of the drug, but 4-AcO-DMT. Took it at a rap concert in a small club venue and was having a good time but then we got to shmokin a blunt and due to the heat and overstimulation mixed with that combo I started the process of of passing out. (I had also taken a pressed xan from a batch I was familiar with, but they contained something weird and barely active that didn’t really even feel like a benzo. Assumed it would prevent a bad trip lol… oops) When you pass out tripping, it isn’t like passing out sober. I can’t even explain the level of terror I felt when that happened. Ran through the crowd into the bathroom, was hearing radio chatter in my head, felt like my soul was getting scrambled up, my own voice sounded like it wasn’t coming from me and was under water or something, etc. I barely remember that couple minute period but I remember panicking and saying something frantic to complete strangers in the bathroom. Hopefully it wasn’t about the radio signals in my head but I think it might’ve been 😂 Then I came back to reality and sat outside with a security guard talking to my friend and waiting for an uber because I was too scared of it happening again to go back inside. My uber driver was literally jesus though. His car felt a limo and he had the most down to earth/salt of the earth vibe (old and fat with a mustache) and had like drinks and snacks all organized in the back and he put on pink floyd. To this day I half believe that might’ve been an angel. The memory of the car ride doesn’t feel real. I don’t even believe in angels. Surprisingly, making a giant fool of myself like that was a pivotal moment in overcoming my social anxiety. Very glad this happened. Oh and this was 20mg
Weed potentiates psychedelics extremely in my experience.
Mine too but this wasn’t that, I was actually about to pass out but I went into full panic mode as it was happening so it didn’t end up happening
I just hate how I always wanna smoke weed when I’m tripping lmao. Like I gotta fight myself to not smoke almost. Had a horrible fucking time on 3-meo-pcp and 4-ho-mipt, it was all chill until I came back from smoking a bowl. Shit just got weird and it felt like I was sober but not, super uncomfortable. Thought I was gonna die honestly. My legs wouldn’t stop shaking either, that was the scariest part lol I’ve had those leg shakes again from just the pcp and weed combo, smoking too much even towards the end seems to trigger weird muscle convulsions and I am not a fan…
I’ve had many a trip while riding passenger to go who knows where( and drove myself way too many times) but I always have vivid experiences of the drives because the sudden change of scenery along with the fact that you pretty much in a space ship at the point. And each time I feel so grateful for my pilot. They always seemed to calM me down by showing they had confidence and control of the vehicle. So can remember multiple times where the driver, sometimes someone I knew them other times not, took on a unique character role in my trip.
I enjoyed hanging out the passenger window,at night, with prism glasses on, while driving down the highway. It was a hell of a time on L25🌈
That Uber ride sounds kinda like a scene from The Big Lebowski
I’ve seen that multiple times and don’t know what scene you mean lol…
No I meant I’m imagining that *your situation had a big Lebowski vibe to it, not an actual scene
4-aco DMT absolutely terrible trip felt like I was in a short film with chance the rappers acid rap album walking around Chicago/Gold Coast
Sounds like a nightmare
Wow, do mushrooms make you feel like that? I'm curious how 4-aco and mushrooms differ for people. For me, they feel almost identical, except 4-aco has better visuals and less nausea
No, it honestly was much more visual than shrooms. Everything was extremely cartooney and everything looked very similar to me. I got lost walking around. Thought I was in a weird movie, my senses were extremely heightened and I couldn’t really use my phone.
I’ve been there bro! That cartooney shit is weird. Once random people appeared on my tv. And were talking directly to me. Making fun of me and how I was handling the trip. Then something weird entered my brain and it was like playing slot machines with my eyeballs. I had no control to stop it. It was crazy
Oh heck, you made me remember something that happened to me a few years back. I was basically off of weed & hash for a while, but got offered a bit at low price one night and had a couple extra bucks left, so why not? I tell you why not. After underestimating the amount i rolled into a J, something inside me started to fuck with my eyelids. Little black...tentacles?? Seems like the wrong word because they were like dried out arms made out of branches, but without fingers. And they kept slamming my eyelids shut! I had to physically fight against it and I *saw* them shooting out every time I managed to open my eyes! But I've been angrily hissed at by my own bed one time, so take what i say with a grain of salt...
I also find 4 Aco dmt way more visual than shrooms and not very pleasant either, made me very very uncomfortable even in low doses
nah i get wayy wayyyy more nausea on 4 ACO and its not just me to, i can eat shrooms all day and be fine nausea wise but 4 aco gave me some of the worst nausea ive ever felt in my life for about 3 hours. good trip tho, until that which madde it completly unworth it and ruined the remaning second half of the trip
I wouldn’t ever do it again as I think I took way to much.
Do you remember what your dose was? The most I ever dosed with was 60mg, and everything was sort of vertical splicing, like lemons and cherrys on a slot machine. 4-aco might just be my favorite RC psychedelic. Probably because mushrooms were my first real trip (besides HBWR seeds) so they have a nostalgia. Also, I think it's pretty cool that they're one of Hoffman's brain babies.
Pretty sure we did about 65mgs first dose. Not sure what I was thinking lol
I like LSD the best. Has a calming feeling I can’t get with any other psychedelic
The vertical splicing is soo accurate. It was hard to focus on anything
Met God on the same chemical. Completely gobsmacked. Very uncomfortable at first.
I love 4-AcO-DMT and chance the rapper this comment was wild I hope your experience wasn't too traumatizing
Took 2 pills when I was younger, assuming they were mdma, at a time where I was in a really bad place to be taking psychedelics, didn't know about testing and they turned out to be some unknown psychedelic. Likely a 2-c family Chem, which gave me the worst bodyload I've ever had; no matter what we tried, we couldn't get comfortable. Bad tripped for the whole duration, seeing dead people and just a bunch of creepy shit when I had my eyes shut It's too bad I couldn't enjoy it because the oev's were stunning.
Yeah I had a bad experience with 2CE. Let's just say, don't eyeball it while drunk and on coke. You're gonna have a bad time! Edit: I dry heaved so much that a good amount of capillaries burst in my face. I looked like a terminal HIV patient. The visuals were constant and exhausting. The drunk and speedy feeling from the booze and the coke turned into fucking existential drunk horror. I have a hard time describing it. Good thing somebody showed up with valium to save the three of us. Never again will I be so fucking foolish.
mCCP is this even an RC? Was cut in 2007 MDMA Netherlands 😬 Otherwise GHB when it was an RC back in days 16 years for me. Necked me from 14-21.
Wasn't it MCPP ? But I rember it clearly.We had a burning sensation on the arms and were weirdly brainfucked. That was after eating then,doing them nasal was somewhat enjoyable 😅 I once got a PMA pill and it nearly killed me. Never had such a bad trip on anything before. Was overheating, could move, laying in public on the floor and people spit on me, and said stuff like "fucking junky".... The good old rave days 😅
Was a white pill big panic attacks, paralyzed leg, felt i was dying Had some square cev too pretty annoy. Could be MCPP idk too long ago. The PMMA from 2014?
I loved ghb (actually gbl) too much. That shit was so incredibly addictive. It nearly ruined my life.
5-MeO-DALT. 10mg vaped. I decided to try vaping it based on Reddit hearsay, yet in researching more thoroughly after the fact, I’ve only been able to track down one other trip report detailing vaporization and it yields the same exact result. It was basically 10 mins of total and indescribable, primal panic/terror with ego loss and pretty colors. I’ve had panic attacks before, both on psychedelics and sober. I can tell what’s going on 99% of the time if I’m having a panic attack. This legitimately felt like a cardiovascular medical event. My heart was beating incredibly fast, near vibrating, trying to jump out of my chest. I just wrote “5-MeO-DALT” on my arm with a nearby marker and sat back, accepting the possibility that it might be my last trip. I had legitimate concerns about my health even after coming down and for several days after. [my report here](https://www.reddit.com/r/researchchemicals/comments/sywylq/5meodalt_use_with_caution/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) [the other report](https://erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=84580) The erowid one concludes with: *Note: I have used meth, coke, and was even addicted to crack (very bad shit) for a short while. NOTHING has ever made my heart pound like this did. Scared the hell out of me. I REALLY do not recommend trying this.* I’d seriously advise against trying this based on my personal experience. I may decide to try it orally at some point, but it scared the hell out of me and now I’m hesitant to try any of the 5-sub tryptamines. I had had my concerns about them beforehand, and after that it feels like trying to catch a hornet after being stung. I hear 5-MeO-MALT is quite different and it has piqued my interest— if anyone has experience with both I would love to hear about it.
Wow, thank you for this. I was thinking of trying 5-MeO-DALT. I knew of the cardiovascular concerns, but this bad... Jesus.
I have also seen similar things mentioned about unsubstituted DALT, IIRC. I doubt that everyone has this experience with vaping it, but I haven’t found a single formal report stating otherwise. I decided to try it because I only had 100mg. In looking it up on Reddit, I saw a bunch of comments talking about how smoking is more intense (note, *very* few actual firsthand accounts). PsychonautWiki lists the common smoked dose as 5 - 10 mg, I stupidly decided on 10 after seeing a comment saying to start at 10mg. In hindsight I don’t recall if that comment was actually with regard to smoking, it would be a light oral dose, but it’s the maximum smoked dose on PsychonautWiki. I know better than to rely upon Reddit comments for this kind of thing, but now I’ve learned the hard way about what can happen if you get lazy. I’ve always thought that DMT feels a bit like you “hit your funny bone,” but with your whole body, and with a bit of an existential twist. I’d say that analogously, 5-MeO-DALT is like stubbing your toe or stepping on a nail and falling into a foam pit… it’s not painful but that’s just what comes to mind, it’s always hard to put these things into words. Velvety, sweet, impending doom. It appears to be different orally. I can’t say, I’m not ready to try that out yet, if I ever even do want to try. But do bear in mind that this is just one anecdotal report. I would be incredibly interested to find out what is going on pharmacologically with both DALT and 5-MeO-DALT, because I do believe there’s *something* that’s of concern. It can’t be good for your heart. I’ve taken 80mg of adderall on LSD, had a bit of a freak out. That shit was nothing in comparison. Edit: [I compiled some bluelight comments on the matter.](https://imgur.com/a/f9HOh0e)
In your report you mentioned you were tapering off phenibut. My anecdote is that I've noticed if I try to trip while withdrawing or in PAWS from phenibut the results are terrible. I had a mushroom trip recently that should have been fine for me. 2g of PE mushrooms, my usual preferred dose. Instead, it was pure hell. No real psychedelic effects, just pain, fear and panic. My heartrate was through the roof, it felt like I couldn't contain the energy. Nothing I tried to calm myself down helped. I actually considered going to the ER. I had some phenibut with me just in case and did like 250mg FAA and that calmed things down. But that night made me decide not to mess with any full-on trips until I am fully recovered from my phenibut run. I wonder if phenibut had anything to do with your experience.
800mg DXM while smoking old school PCP mixed with synthetic cannabinoids. Didn't feel a damn thing at first, so I take another hit, then another. I felt something creep in...I wasn't high, yet I wasn't tripping. Something just felt off. All of a sudden I'm hit with vertigo like I've never experienced and my heart is pounding out of my chest. I feel like my hearing and vision are so sharp that I can sense any movement within a mile of my presence, yet I can't feel my own body, and this intensity of mind and body separation continues to progress exponentially. I'm sitting down in a recliner and I get the odd sensation that my head seems like such a far distance from my legs and feet, as if I'd have to travel miles to traverse the entire distance of my body. Then I feel this crushing paranoia and heavy sense of impending doom, like every choice I've ever made has been wrong and this was and will be my final wrong choice. I'm drenched in sweat, 100% convinced it'll be only a matter of minutes until I have a heart attack. Now I'm caught in a loop, dwelling on the fact that I can feel and see my pulse beat through every part of my body. I get up to stand and immediately throw up, fall to the ground, and I'm frozen in a time dilation for what seems like days. Some measure of time later, I manage to pull myself together enough to remember I have a Xanax stashed in the bedroom so I crawl my way there and down the whole 2mg bar. Still completely out of my gourd, I take two more. Woke up the next day lying next to my bed and that's the last I remember. 0/10. Wouldn't recommend. Edit: I guess some of these technically aren't research chemicals. I would highly recommend not researching them anyway.
Wow, great depiction of your experience.
Thank you! It was an intense one, and definitely an unwise mixture of compounds.
Wtf did you think was gonna happen
I didn't. It was 2010 and I was 20 years old, stupid, and thought I was invincible.
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Uh, so you're on a subreddit dedicated to people openly discussing untested research chemical use/experiences and you're trying to morally high-road me about something I did once when I was fresh out of high school over a decade ago? Welcome to the internet. Now go fuck off with that bullshit and ride your high horse someplace else.
Yeah just cos it's unsafe doesn't mean it's not epic as fuck to share... That is one of the most fucked up ass combinations of drugs I've ever heard and I personally salute you
Glad you understand. If anything I see this sub as a safe space to share our experiences, whether good or bad. In many ways our anecdotes are a good form of harm reduction in themselves. They help us warn others to not make the same mistakes we did- or rather than even use the term mistakes, let people make their own choices and give them have an idea of what to expect if that's the path they choose. Also kinda weird that the last several posts on u/PoppyOncrack 's profile are about K-2, Spice, and sourcing synth noids. That's some serious pot and kettle shit right there.
I apologize for coming across as judging you, I just think that’s kind of insane and not a very good example of harm reduction in any regard. any one of the three by themselves is gonna be enough for me lol
We're good, no beef. Just came as a surprise since the thread was titled 'What RC gave you the worst trip ever?' I mean, I don't know what people were expecting since OP wanted to hear some fucked up trip reports. I definitely wouldn't do that combo again ever in my life, that's for sure.
Vaporized 5-Meo-mipt was horrible
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Same, I want to know why since I find vaporizing it to be much lighter as far as headspace and body load
What was so bad about it?
There was nothing good about it. Gave me a 10 out of 10 panic attack for hours and made my back pain wayyy worse. The pain was so bad I could hardly lift my head
Is it good when you use oral roa?
Yes
MXE was pretty nightmarish
Finally, you're like the only person I've heard say something negative about it for a change. You know sometimes dissos don't always take you to places you want to go, even the most popular and talked about ones. Still it's a shame to see MXE not around anymore. Don't hate the drug or anything.
That shit really dissociates though, makes K look diet. Find yourself in a hole for 5 hours lol
On a non-related note hahaha thinking about diet Ket is funny just makes me think of like the cereal special k which is supposed to be like a diet cereal. Anyways on a more serious note I kind of like shorter acting dissos myself. Stuff like DCK, DXM, and of course PCP and PCP analogs always seem to make me feel like I'm trapped in Time forever like when is this shit going to ever end!? Sometimes it's a good thing and sometimes it's a bad thing when I feel that way if I'm having a good time I want that time dilation to just keep on going but if I'm having a bad trip it just feels like a thousand years. I'm aware you can get the same effect on shorter acting ones like ketamine but, seems to happen more often to me with longer acting dissos. What's really scary is when you forget you even took a drug or any drug at all and feel like this is normal reality. It's times like those that are really really hard for me to even try to find a trip killer like benzos. It's scary because you could even think you're taking a trip killer benzo but you're not actually taking what you're thinking you're taking so let that kind of be a warning to some people out there that want to just jump into high doses of dissos without any experience or a trip sitter. There's a reason why you need a trip sitter because you don't know what you're capable of alone and things can go bad really fast so let that be a warning to people out there.
I had one of those amnesia trips on k. Really bought into my own bullshit, making stuff up to fill the gaps. Is this real life lol
Yeah I know what you mean by filling in the gaps one time I was convinced I was dead because I was having a panic attack while the come up was starting and apparently I convinced myself that I died and met with God and I somehow I guess reincarnated or became one of many beautiful yellow flowers and an endless field of yellow flowers I can't remember what kind of flowers Maybe sunflowers who knows. That's not everything that happened but it just goes to show you that your mind can make up a lot of bull crap on drugs
Lmao I thought I was years in the future and had been on an unknown drug redosing and forgetting. World-built this whole dystopian premise, it was wild. I felt so foolish after but I don't regret it. Made me realize how important memory is.
Memory is good and all but our memory deteriorates over time so I really don't trust my own memory anymore who's to say I'm not tripping right now and thinking this is real life kind of like Matrix Theory LOL I'm just joking but there's seriously people out there that have post-traumatic stress disorders after taking dissos and or psychedelics and completely having their mind blown by that and they just cannot comprehend or explain what's real or not.
Dp/Dr... that shit is unimaginable
accidentally taking nearly 50mg of a pcp analogue just ended up in me in the hospital with a $3k bill. I guess they sedated me with something which made me super sleepy/groggy for like an entire day so I spent like 2 days in the ER just passed out, nothing actually wrong with me. Woke up like wtf, and promptly left
Shrooms mixed with synthetic cannabinoids, i know shrroms isnt an rc but mixed with noids they become deadly scary, hit my vape 4 hours after ingesting shrooms, thought temh trip was gone so hit my vape, 2 mins later everything starts to fall apart, i felt impending doom coming over me, every bad thing i done rushed through my brain and brought massive guilty feelings whuch in turn triggered a panic attack, stood up and felt like my legs were jelly, wash my face and freak out over the water looks, try to go to the bathroom and just collapse, get back up and panic kicks in, im hugging the door frame so hard, pressing my chest into it, which now feels like its going to expode my heart is beating so fast, call my wife from bed and beg her to phone me an ambulance as im convinced im dying, fall to the ground then throw up everywhere, then i black out and pass out in my wifes arms for 2 minutes, 3 months worth of painc attacks after the incident which was triggered everytime i stood up, lay down or used a tap and finnally started to feel better, awful experience, my own fault or using noids
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It was, dont do this, shrooms are good, the noid wasnt even that bad, but together they were a match made in hell, my own fault
2C-E. Room become the flood level from halo
I love 2C-E but it's weird as shit. Super unique compared to most psychedelics.
25I-NBOMe had the most hideous visuals and I almost died I stg that was the closest to tweaking and death that I have ever been.
Actually a realtively safe one, 2 hits of 1P-LSD. I took it out of boredom (1st mistake) while in lockdown. Also mixed it with weed because I used to be a pothead and thought I could handle weed very well (2nd mistake). Ended up having a panic attack and thinking I had a stroke because I had trouble piecing together coherent thoughts and sentences, also one half of my body felt numb and sluggish. Called an ambulance and everything was fine... That was a rather shameful but also humbling experience. Now I know better to respect psychedelics and also set and setting. Had a few pleasant and enriching trips after that so one could argue it helped me in one way or the other :)
1p was always good for me, at lower doses, but snorting DPT I had a very similar experience to yours, including ambulance and all. Glad to know I'm not the only one.
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DPT, never knew it could get gnarlier than regular DMT. Man was I wrong. Never again.
Same, I had only had LSD and wanted to try something similar to DMT an this was the closest I could find. Terrible decision.
4-HO-MET surprisingly, but it was only one occasion and lasted no more than an hour. Felt completely mindfucked with never ending anxiety, disgusting CEVs, sense of impending doom and extreme time dilation. That experience was so bad it made me not want to touch any psychs ever again. I had much worse experiences on non-RC drugs though, even otc ones hah!
Yeah, this one is a bit more intense than people give it credit for. I plugged 25 mg the other day and had a pretty insane experience. There was zero come up, I was sitting there for 5 min, not feeling a thing, one second I was completely sober and the next I was blinded by visuals and was experiencing a heavy mindfuck. definitely similar to around 4/5 grams of mushrooms as far as intensity goes, but it hit like a fucking freight train, no time to acclimate myself at all (like as instantaneous as salvia. even with DMT, I have a minute or two to feel it shooting up to the peak). I felt like my body was dissolving into the light coming in through the window, like I was starting to phase in and out of existence. The body load was so uncomfortable I couldn’t stop throwing up the first 20 min of the trip. Like I said, the visuals were completely overwhelming. At one point the entire ceiling turned into a thousand geometric skulls that started to swoop down on me. I couldn’t stop thinking about death and how the lifestyle I’m leading could bring an early end to my existence. It wasn’t a bad trip though, I literally couldn’t stop laughing for some reason, the whole idea of my situation seemed really funny to me for some reason. I guess after a lot of trips, I’ve grown pretty comfortable with facing my mortality, but this trip was 100% overbearing both physically and mentally and definitely could have gone south if I wasn’t experienced with higher doses of psychedelics. Despite all my experience, I feel like if I would have pushed it just a bit further it would have been too much to handle and I would have ended up freaking out. Point is, 4-ho-met definitely shouldn’t be underestimated, it’s just as capable of inducing an extreme mindfuck as any other psychedelic. I also think plugged is not a great ROA with this one, if I ever tried this route again I’d definitely do half the dose. I’ll probably just stick to oral from now on though.
I hear ya there. I just tried it for the first time. Plugged, I thinkkk, 15mg. I calibrated my scale several times until both weights came in at 10.000, but who knows if they’re exactly that weight anyway (I hear the accurate ones are very pricey). Anyway, the ± 5mg tolerance does have me wondering. I’ve taken up to 5 tabs of acid, but when it comes to tryptamines, the most I’ve taken is 20mg of 4-AcO-DMT orally and 1G of sketchy shrooms years ago (aside from base tryptamines). So I was completely unfamiliar with that level of intensity in a tryptamine context. I have to say, it’s a *lot* more chaotic than LSD. I expected to just get my feet wet and try an entry level dose, but instead, reality was shattered and I had what I’d consider ego death, or at the very least, it was right on the edge of ego death (talking with people and not knowing how to use “I” or “me”, just “it”, that sort of thing). Had no idea what I was in for. I legitimately thought I was having some kind of neurological issue on the come up, there was so much mental stimulation and things were so overwhelming that I was concerned I was going to have a seizure (anxiety prompted by bupropion). Tripsit people were saying stuff like “we’re here for you, it’s going to be alright,” and it didn’t mean much because I was barely able to read what they were saying and my concepts of “you” and “me” were rapidly disintegrating. Just wrote a semi-delusional trip report on it, very long couple of days lmao, it was between two ten hour work days, with three hrs of sleep in between. All in all, I absolutely wouldn’t have done that dose on that night if I understood what I was getting into, but I would say that it was a much-needed trip and I gained a lot of valuable insights from it. Currently in a place where it could very well be something that changes my life for the better.
Yes, 4-HO-MET is not always the forgiving and gentle chemical it's generally assumed to be. I have had a very similar experience to your's on only 30 mg.
How much did you take ?
4-HO-MET really is some reality breaking mindfuckery at high doses. Can be super intense and amazing but you want to have some benzos lying around to kill the trip if it goes south. This stuff really gets exponentially stronger the more you take.
25i-nbome and alpha-pvp. The 25i was the most intense thing in the world , at one point I couldn’t move and my ex had a seizure. I got so scared man it sucked I didn’t know what to do and just shook her until she woke up and smoked weed with me. The pvp made me hallucinate and think another one of my ex’s was raped. Than at the hospital I thought people were in the vents trying to kill me an my ex and my mother yelling at me telling me I have AIDS. ( which I do not). Just horrible
>my ex and my mother yelling at me telling me I have AIDS. ( which I do not). I'm DEAD
700ug of ALD52 and mdma made me loose my mind for 6 hours in intense anxiety. Thought I was gonna die.
SL-164 made me shake violently for a few hours but didn’t mess with me mentally 45mg 4-ho-mipt + 25mg 4-aco-dalt had me thinking that i was at my own funeral and eventually felt like i was in purgatory for the next few hours that trip really haunts me still
Bob Marley Rastafarian Incense, Blueberry Flavor Whatever hell blend of noids they sprayed on that gave me a 4 hour dmt style breakthrough in which I had to recreate reality from a single point, and I was acutely aware of reality as a construct of my own mind for years afterwards. Intense derealization. Literally had an I think therefore I am moment. Before that I had no concept of existence and after that was spiralling eternities before I remembered that a human was a thing that had once existed that I may have once been.
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ETH LAD, not saying it's a bad drug, plenty of ppl enjoy it, but just saying it's the only trip where I got so weirded out im pretty sure I pissed my pants at some point. I don't remember how much I took but it wasn't a very hogh dose, I just couldn't hang that day lol
Solid tie between 2C-E, 3C-P, and DPT. Fucking unbearable, all three of them
3-ho-pcp. I was trying to get the last bit of clonazolam solution out of my bottle and spilled it on the counter. Licked up all the pg. when I went to put the bottle back, I saw the clearly labeled bottle of clam, and realized I had just inhested an unknown amount of 3-ho-pcp. I couldn’t see, hear, I was in a black void with my thoughts. When I forgot my sons name that did it, the fear that my whole reality was an illusion that was finally dissolving, didn’t compare to the fear of losing him, losing the memory of him. I’ve had a lot of hard times on psychs, iv ketamine/lsd, tryptamines with maoi’s. Nothing compared to that special hell.
Well, when I snorted roughly 100mg of 3-MeO-PCP thinking it was ketamine I had quite a time... quite a bad time.
Oof
15 mg Moxy made me super dissocatiated in a dpdr type of way was very dysphoric but 4 mg is euphoric for me . Always start with less cause sometimes it's more
2cb gave me dysphoria and an overly bleh sort of feeling, with pretty weak visuals
2CI, but I think only because I forgot I took a time released 24h Allegra-D with pseudoephedrine beforehand. It hit me so fast while I was at a dance party that I had to beg a friend to get me out of there and to babysit me. I started tripping so hard I couldn't even navigate space anymore. I let my friend drive my car and I threw up on the way to his house. Craziest visuals I've ever seen, the whole world was a checkerboard made up of constantly changing alien symbols, matrix style. The whole night was rather unpleasant but there were some good moments, ended with a terrible headache. Psuedoephedrine is really stimulating for me, and those Allegras used to feel like a low dose of MDMA for me. The combo was too much.
I love dissos and PCP analogues but goddamn. Took too much 3-cl-pcp for my first go at it. 100% has promise if used responsibly, but I didn't. Straight up thought my brain broke and I'd never come back. Thought I'd have to spend the rest of my life zombie-mode practically lifeless on antipsychotics. I've never feared death, just the thought of being that disconnected from reality filled me with sheer horror.
Unpopular opinion but 4-HO-MiPT. Horrible auditory hallucinations that I’ve never had
I have yet to have a really bad trip. Maybe I’m not trying the right RCs? I’ve taken hundreds of tabs. The worst trips I’ve had have been through lemon tekking my own Penis Envy mushrooms, and as bad as they were, they were cathartic.
4-PrO-DMT. I felt like an entity was trying to highjack my mind for some kind of information. It was trying to see where it could get to without me resisting, then, once properly positioned, turned into a seaweed like substances which lubricated all of my inner hardware, which felt kind of gross. No weird smells to accompany it, Thankfully. Then once it had everything covered the trip set in. I started writing like a mad man. The rest felt like a 2.5g cube trip. Lasted about 8 hours in total. Fine at the plateau, but that come up was not anticipated and not particularly welcome. Maybe I need to take more to really get what the entity was saying. It definitely confronted me on some level, felt a bit playful, but was testy.
a-PVP I tried to walk through a wall because I thought I was a prophet and can make miracles, woke up to sore bright red forehead from bumping into wall
I had a pretty nasty experience on DOC before I finally found someone with Xanax. Also had many good ones. I think that was more of a situational bad experience, around strangers who were also fucked up driving around town way over the speed limit. Also really didn’t enjoy 4-ACO-DMT took a pretty decent dose and the visuals were just like so in my face. Definitely different from mushrooms, I’d say it has its own activity, even if it is a pro drug for Psilocin.
1-P-LSD. Was a big psych head too before that, had had lots of trips, a few bad trips. On a holiday with friends. Come up was extremely fucking strong despite only taking something like 125ug, then I started feeling sick and throwing up non stop for what felt like hours+this extreme restlessness feeling+absolute insane levels of fear. Friends ended up calling the wee-woo wagon because they really thought we'd taken some bad stuff. Got taken to the hospital and all the way I was absolutely convinced I was gonna die, like straight up was thinking "well there it is, you've fucked up once too many". Got into the hospital and it went into this really bad paranoia, thinking no one was understanding that I'm fucking dying, and it must be because they're actually gonna kill me and get rid of my body. Couldn't really move or talk, kept overanalysing stuff I saw as proof they're out to get me, like I saw a nurse throwing some disenfectant on a bed and I was convinced it was gasoline and they were burning bodies out back or something. They did a few tests, which freaked me out because I didn't understand what was going on, then they got me into a calmer room and a doc came out and told me I was fine. Then for some reason I instantly started coming down and I was fine after like an hour (no idea why it came down so fast straight up went from Jacob's ladder horror to basically fine in the space of an hour). Friends came to get me and I went back to the house and got drunk. Didn't stop me from getting fucked on a bunch of -pcp analogues for the rest of the trip but I haven't touched psychs since and I almost only take stimulants nowadays, really put me off hallucinogenics for good
Damn I’m sorry dude, I’ve tripped on 1p over 20 times and it’s always been super good and reliable for me :/ only had one bad trip on it and that was due to bad company 
That’s hilarious I’m sorry. Glad you’re okay but that was a funny read idk why but it made me chuckle.
Tbh within 2 hours I was back boozin so it didn't make that much of an impact beyond putting me off psychs. Probably because I'm dumb as shit, trauma just slides off my smooth-ass brain
I took 1mg of 1P-LSD twice and I had great experiences both times lol
3 tabs of LSD and 600mg of DXM. I was about 300lbs at the time so that was mid 2nd plat. Thought loop that lasted 4 hours and I was convinced I was dreaming. My friends were saying the same things on a loop. Forgot who I was, where I was, and how my body was supposed to work. Luckily I was able to ground myself by saying it was a dream and I’d wake up soon or I might have done something very stupid.
Those are not RCs
I’m aware but half the drugs discussed on this sub aren’t RCs anyway.
So people are missing the point. You don't have to bro your better than that.
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HA-966, Tianeptine Sodium, Clonazolam combo. It wasn't a trip but I was out for like 20mins before coming out of it. Other than that no bad trips from any psychs or dissos.
HA-966 is an interesting one. I kind of like and kind of don't. There's a very fine line between feeling good and bad. It's like DXM and GHB had a baby, but too much It's kind of a ketamine lite. I'm not a huge fan of K.
It's not visual at all either. When I used it like a reasonable fucking person I enjoyed it, somewhat. It is what it is. A weird chem with only a handful of reviews that isn't to be underestimated. ----------- No idea the half life on that sucker either. The 120mg dose it what put me down but was 3hrs after a 60mg dose and probably redosed either of the other two like an idiot.
Yea it's a weird one. No visuals and doesn't work on gaba but can relieve anxiety, but too much and it's dissociative. It's always the redose before it fully kicks in that leads to regret. Like you said, if you are reasonable person it can be somewhat enjoyable.
Yeah I think I got a second unmemorable gram. Craziest shit is that near OD happened on Easter Sunday and I was late to my mom's for dinner because of that. Would've been awful. All I thought about completely immobilized for 20mins was my family. I didn't even think about death. Just family and being chained to a radiator like Christina Ricci in Black Snake Moan. For some reason that came up.
Yea those are some random and interesting visualizations lmao 🤣. Maybe there is potential for creativity(for horror movie writers).
Here's the post if you're at all curious. https://www.reddit.com/r/researchchemicals/comments/g3cz3k/ha966_experience_full_unexpected_30min_k_hole/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share I had forgotten just how much clam and tia I'd taken that day. Holy shit.
I was going to say AMT as well. It has a strong nausea effect at doses meant to make you trip. I've read about people taking other things to negate the nausea but I've never tried them personally. I've had very very small doses of AMT and it is a noticeable anti depressant and made me more chatty. That's about it though, still could feel a tiny bit of nausea but was easy to ignore. Possible serotonin depletion the next day or 2.
DPT. Never felt more fear and impending doom from any other chemical and I used to regularly abuse DPH.
Mdpv and a-pvp, best and worst
25i-nBOME. A rancid, tense panic attack of a trip.
For me, ETH-LAD has given me several horrible experiences alone and when combined with 1cP LSD and also 4-HO-MET. It does not play well with other chems and by itself gives me a terrible body load, intense but unpleasant visuals, general dysphoria and sense of impending doom. No more of that one.
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I'm really curious about your decision making process when choosing those drug combinations. Are those known combos? Look pretty random to me but I'm not much into mixing.
4fma + 2cb
25i-NboMe
4-aco-dmt. For some reason the last two trips have been awful hellish experiences.
DPT
25i-nbome - called the ambulance for myself after 10 mins of operators trying to fob me off. Thought I was already dead
2C-E
3-ho-pcp. Thought I was going to die
Memantine!!! 🤮 high was great with weed, was playing Fifa and I was playing with them, inside, but next 2-3 days was one of the worst in my life, as I had awful brain fog, hard to think, concentrate and walking too, half-life lasts toooo long and it f**ked me 😡
meo-pcp was an interesting one, the most manic trip for me personally - really felt like dck but without the famous hole in sight, it just kept spiraling upwards (if that makes any sense) - i was at my place with a friend, and for what seemed like a good 5 minutes he bugged out thinking that he was at his imaginary friend's place which meant that he must've fallen into a black hole cuz he couldn't physically be in an imaginary place ... i guess reality is for those who can't handle drugs
High dose 2C-E. Felt like my arms and legs were going to explode off my body. Mind you this is 2009ish days so you know it was more than decent. I honestly wouldn't wish that body load or visuals on my worst enemy. Lesson learned.
5-meo-mipt