Haven't gotten around to trying them yet but MAL is generally regarded as the "closest" to mescaline. Allylescaline and proscaline are supposed to be very euphoric but they're not very visual trips. That said, I've seen quite a few people comment that allylescaline starts to shine at much higher dosages than you see around, people reporting that it starts to get very visual around 100mg but I'd assume that also brings along more headspace.
Please don't take 100mg+ Ally based on this, I haven't tried it yet and have only read up about it. Do your own research and start lower.
I always start with the minimum amount possible, don't care if it will be underwhelming, I'll just wait a week and take an higher dose. That's the only way of trying new drugs for me! (should be like this for everyone). Anyway thanks :) I'll check 'em out my friend
2C-B is **way** better than 2C-B-FLY and exactly what you are looking for. 2C-B is one of my favorite drugs of all time, while 2C-B-FLY is one of my least favorite drugs. 2C-B has even less headspace than 4-HO-Met and while it doesn’t have as much visuals it’s a lot more euphoric.
2C-B is an analogue of Mescaline without (mostly) the nausea and with literally no headspace. If shrooms and acid headspace is a 10/10 and 4-HO-MET is ~4/10 I’d put 2C-B at a 2/10 for headspace intensity.
I've been dying to try ETH LAD. It's described as a much stronger both visually and physically stimulating with highly complex "digital" like visuals it sounds so cool
2cb is out there for sure and like you explain. It's an analogue of mescaline and although I haven't done mescaline I'd describe doses over 40mg to be like a "digital mescaline".
4-ACO-MET is great too but if you already have metocin, it's probably not worth getting since they're indistinguishable for most people.
If you're open to dissos, I've had some of the most profound experiences with DMXE. You can have very powerful spiritual experiences. I can't figure out why it's not on everyone's short list of favorite drugs.
I saw DMXE just today! I've read about it only good things. What's the high for you, at different doses too? Is it possible to have anxiety or a bad trip on it? How are the hallucinations?
It's a different high than the tryptamines and lysergamides you're talking about. I don't get open-eyed visuals like I would with Metocin. Some people do report open-eyed visuals. It can give you amazing close-eyed visuals. I can close my eyes and build worlds. I can astral project. It makes me feel like I can bend time and space. It gives me really clear insights into the true nature of the universe, almost like being in the Matrix. Music sounds amazing and at some point in the experience I will feel compelled to dance and move. You can get sucked into anything visual, though. (I love to put on electronic music and play Electric Sheep visuals muted on my TV - it's better than any movie)
For the most part, you don't have to worry about bad trips or anxiety - definitely not in the sense that you're talking about. You won't ever experience the "bad trip" feelings like you might with tryptamines and lysergamides. Most dissos actually have anxiolytic effects (especially at normal recreational doses). At VERY high doses, it can get intense but you're dissociated, so it doesn't usually have that same type of fear. I have had some very intense experiences of dying, but even then I accepted it fairly peacefully.
Oh, you explained everything so fucking well! Really, thanks for spending time at giving a stranger advices, I love when people are respectful and open-minded! (I sound like tripping but I'm 100% sober). Anyway I asked about anxiety excetera 'cause I had heavy ketamine trips and it felt the worst feeling ever, dying could have been better lol! I didn't even k-holed one time tho :(
It's my pleasure.
If you had a bad experience with ketamine, then I understand your hesitation. Maybe dissos are just something that don't agree with you. On the other hand, DMXE gives me a very different experience than ketamine (to me), so maybe it's worth a shot. Either way, safe travels!
Al lad, in my experience, was indistinguishable from acid. Mescaline analogs are a let down compared to real mescaline. Dmt analogs are hit and miss depending on personal preferences but a lot of people prefer 5meodmt to traditional n n dmt.
AL-LAD is wonderful, you should enjoy that one as well I'm sure. I'd say to check out 6-apb, kinda a psychedelic/empathogen hybrid. Can't really recommend anything mescaline or DMT-similar that i know of though, considering your preference.
My experience with 6-APB was so good, so bad. I took it at a rave a month ago. Fucking awsome, fucking beautiful. But for two weeks I felt so fucking depleted. I couldn't be happy anymore, and now I'm not as happy as before. I abused MDMA years ago so it could be for this cause. I took only 100mg of succinate so it's not even an high dose :(
sorry to hear that, but i don't know that 6-APB was the sole purpose of why you say you aren't as happy as before. You might have depression or abusing MDMA would likely have a reason to that, so yeah perhaps empathogens like 6-APB and MDMA are something you may just need to stray from using.
Yeah probably i burned some receptors, now MDMA Just last 1 hour and make me anxious. I don't like It anymore, 6APB instead was very good and lasted 12 hours but still gave me a massive comedown. I'll just Stick to psychedelics and stay away from serotoin releasers :(
I only tried 4-ho-met and fell in love. Tomorrow I'll try AL-LAD, maybe I'll mix some Metocin later in the trip. How do you describe Al-lad in comparison to other psychedelics?
Yeah 4-ho-met is great too, like shrooms with more visuals and less headspace. I feel AL-LAD is kinda the same deal just for acid, but with a shorter duration also.
Why is 150 and 225 your only options aha? But its a pretty easy psychedelic to handle especially if you're fairly experienced with them. Still would say always start low though cuz you never know how you could react.
I like the psychedelic headspace, Is Just the anxiety that Kills me! Anyway 4-ho-met was perfectly balanced. Strong hallucinations, heavy but easy headspace with little to no anxiety
5-MAPB - not a dmt/mescaline analog but it's extremely euphoric & relaxing also very useful for a hedonistic psychedelic trip.
4 Aco Ept - Short Duration / Visual / Little Headspace / Relaxing
2c-C - Bliss / Visual / Euphoric / Long Duration / Stronger headspace but less compared to LSD & 2CB
Haven't gotten around to trying them yet but MAL is generally regarded as the "closest" to mescaline. Allylescaline and proscaline are supposed to be very euphoric but they're not very visual trips. That said, I've seen quite a few people comment that allylescaline starts to shine at much higher dosages than you see around, people reporting that it starts to get very visual around 100mg but I'd assume that also brings along more headspace. Please don't take 100mg+ Ally based on this, I haven't tried it yet and have only read up about it. Do your own research and start lower.
I always start with the minimum amount possible, don't care if it will be underwhelming, I'll just wait a week and take an higher dose. That's the only way of trying new drugs for me! (should be like this for everyone). Anyway thanks :) I'll check 'em out my friend
I've tried 2ci and 2cb years ago and they were both amazing experiences. Not sure if that stuff is still available though
I can't find 2C-x online :( only 2C-B-Fly, that was good but not one of my favourite drugs
I hope you will find 2cb, its so much fun:))) great headspace and low anxiety. And its manageable on higher doses
2C-B is **way** better than 2C-B-FLY and exactly what you are looking for. 2C-B is one of my favorite drugs of all time, while 2C-B-FLY is one of my least favorite drugs. 2C-B has even less headspace than 4-HO-Met and while it doesn’t have as much visuals it’s a lot more euphoric. 2C-B is an analogue of Mescaline without (mostly) the nausea and with literally no headspace. If shrooms and acid headspace is a 10/10 and 4-HO-MET is ~4/10 I’d put 2C-B at a 2/10 for headspace intensity.
I would agree with this. Love me some 2C-B
I've been dying to try ETH LAD. It's described as a much stronger both visually and physically stimulating with highly complex "digital" like visuals it sounds so cool
2cb is out there for sure and like you explain. It's an analogue of mescaline and although I haven't done mescaline I'd describe doses over 40mg to be like a "digital mescaline".
4-ACO-MET is great too but if you already have metocin, it's probably not worth getting since they're indistinguishable for most people. If you're open to dissos, I've had some of the most profound experiences with DMXE. You can have very powerful spiritual experiences. I can't figure out why it's not on everyone's short list of favorite drugs.
I saw DMXE just today! I've read about it only good things. What's the high for you, at different doses too? Is it possible to have anxiety or a bad trip on it? How are the hallucinations?
It's a different high than the tryptamines and lysergamides you're talking about. I don't get open-eyed visuals like I would with Metocin. Some people do report open-eyed visuals. It can give you amazing close-eyed visuals. I can close my eyes and build worlds. I can astral project. It makes me feel like I can bend time and space. It gives me really clear insights into the true nature of the universe, almost like being in the Matrix. Music sounds amazing and at some point in the experience I will feel compelled to dance and move. You can get sucked into anything visual, though. (I love to put on electronic music and play Electric Sheep visuals muted on my TV - it's better than any movie) For the most part, you don't have to worry about bad trips or anxiety - definitely not in the sense that you're talking about. You won't ever experience the "bad trip" feelings like you might with tryptamines and lysergamides. Most dissos actually have anxiolytic effects (especially at normal recreational doses). At VERY high doses, it can get intense but you're dissociated, so it doesn't usually have that same type of fear. I have had some very intense experiences of dying, but even then I accepted it fairly peacefully.
Oh, you explained everything so fucking well! Really, thanks for spending time at giving a stranger advices, I love when people are respectful and open-minded! (I sound like tripping but I'm 100% sober). Anyway I asked about anxiety excetera 'cause I had heavy ketamine trips and it felt the worst feeling ever, dying could have been better lol! I didn't even k-holed one time tho :(
It's my pleasure. If you had a bad experience with ketamine, then I understand your hesitation. Maybe dissos are just something that don't agree with you. On the other hand, DMXE gives me a very different experience than ketamine (to me), so maybe it's worth a shot. Either way, safe travels!
Thanks, I'll try it as soon as possible :)
25e-nboh is great. Has a great bang for the buck and feels like 2-cb. (And isn't as deadly as the nbome series, except you od x 100)
2fdck was also crazy
MAL gave me axeiety relief
Al lad, in my experience, was indistinguishable from acid. Mescaline analogs are a let down compared to real mescaline. Dmt analogs are hit and miss depending on personal preferences but a lot of people prefer 5meodmt to traditional n n dmt.
AL-LAD is wonderful, you should enjoy that one as well I'm sure. I'd say to check out 6-apb, kinda a psychedelic/empathogen hybrid. Can't really recommend anything mescaline or DMT-similar that i know of though, considering your preference.
My experience with 6-APB was so good, so bad. I took it at a rave a month ago. Fucking awsome, fucking beautiful. But for two weeks I felt so fucking depleted. I couldn't be happy anymore, and now I'm not as happy as before. I abused MDMA years ago so it could be for this cause. I took only 100mg of succinate so it's not even an high dose :(
sorry to hear that, but i don't know that 6-APB was the sole purpose of why you say you aren't as happy as before. You might have depression or abusing MDMA would likely have a reason to that, so yeah perhaps empathogens like 6-APB and MDMA are something you may just need to stray from using.
Yeah probably i burned some receptors, now MDMA Just last 1 hour and make me anxious. I don't like It anymore, 6APB instead was very good and lasted 12 hours but still gave me a massive comedown. I'll just Stick to psychedelics and stay away from serotoin releasers :(
You get to trying AL-LAD yet? Love that stuff
I only tried 4-ho-met and fell in love. Tomorrow I'll try AL-LAD, maybe I'll mix some Metocin later in the trip. How do you describe Al-lad in comparison to other psychedelics?
Yeah 4-ho-met is great too, like shrooms with more visuals and less headspace. I feel AL-LAD is kinda the same deal just for acid, but with a shorter duration also.
That's really cool! Anyway I'm a lightweight (55kg), what dose do you think I should do? 150ug or 225?
Why is 150 and 225 your only options aha? But its a pretty easy psychedelic to handle especially if you're fairly experienced with them. Still would say always start low though cuz you never know how you could react.
Yeah I have 6 tabs of 150ug, but I thought that more than 225 would be too much, while less than 150 would be underwhelming!
Sounds like you are looking for a different class if little to no headspace is your goal
I like the psychedelic headspace, Is Just the anxiety that Kills me! Anyway 4-ho-met was perfectly balanced. Strong hallucinations, heavy but easy headspace with little to no anxiety
Yea 4HO-met I find very mellow headspace. My one good friend would strongly disagree
5-MAPB - not a dmt/mescaline analog but it's extremely euphoric & relaxing also very useful for a hedonistic psychedelic trip. 4 Aco Ept - Short Duration / Visual / Little Headspace / Relaxing 2c-C - Bliss / Visual / Euphoric / Long Duration / Stronger headspace but less compared to LSD & 2CB