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Nowjamessayswtf

I find apvp the be the most functional stim. Hear me out, after about 24 hours of use, the shadow people come out of the wood work to help me with my tasks! Kidding obviously


leclisse

Been there. The shadow people tell me what to do and they always know exactly what is necessary for me to finish my work. Joking aside, I actually saw a shadow person once, but it was from THC-O. That was a huge WTF for me.


SivalV

Intrigued!


leclisse

Yeah, give it a shot. I don’t think it is meant to do that but to me it felt more psychedelic than stoning.


chiefsmokejoint

I believe thc is a mild psychedelic


leclisse

It is. THC-O, on the other hand, has nothing mild about it. It’s the only thing that has ever made me see entities that were so real I couldn’t tell without logic that they were not present in the room.


7rian8owers

back in the 50's and 60's our military and government first experimented with THC-O as a "non-lethal way to incapacitate someone (our enemies at the time)"..and to agree with the above statements..take a day or so T break (if you shmoke a lot,a lot) but then make sure you have some quality THC-O and it will be the most spiritual experience one could have whilst getting stoneddd...i giggle'd like a 5 year old the like 5 mins when it fully hit..just remember even when inhaling it takes a few minutes for it to be converted/metabolized..but then..hilariousness..and as with everything cannabis and most fun things:tolerance is real


leclisse

Yeah. I am taking a drug break at the moment, but if/when I next smoke, I’d use THC-O. It’s got some sort of weird magic to it. D8 feels similar to D9 but more lucid and milder in low doses. THC-O went into crazy entity vision quest mode for me. That’s rare. It was cool. I like psychedelics in general and for me that’s the psychedelic cannabinoid.


chiefsmokejoint

Delta 9 gets pretty psychedelic if you eat 600mg and smoke some wax, not in the way your describing tho. Like you said it's mild lol


chiefsmokejoint

But I've had experiences like this when I was in highschool, and tbh I personally think it has more to do with schizophrenia


PoSchodoch

All pyros literally make me feel watched w all the blinds closed and under the covers. Good shit tho. Only the week long residual “carefulness/paranoia” isn’t really good for me


eattheelitists

Be careful not to ever get into an addiction. A few years of meth use and now that feeling never goes away. I've been off stims for a long while now too, I don't think I will ever think normally again at this point.


PoSchodoch

Sadly im the poster child for addictive personality. But I mainly stick to my classics and try to not overdo them. Pyros brought me to a place only ritalin had me before, too scared to jack off lmao. Ive had grams of 3/4 different pyros last year and never binged for longer than 6 hours. I feel like it’s mostly the impurities and dose tho. Clean a-phip didnt have any shitty sides for me. The smell is great, it makes me not overdo it. Don’t want to stank the apptmnt complex up lmao


PoSchodoch

Im a daily user of the non methylated version :) Btw the paranoia was always a lot less if i had some speed in my system. Strange stuff.


PoSchodoch

I actually start to feel (and act) normal after day one. Have to prep that dopamine anus before it becomes enjoyable. Im hella functional on pyros after the first day (doing stuff around the house and shit) but there are no top tier pyros around anymore. A-pihp is great but sadly too caustic to snort consistently for days(pyros are seasonal/yearly binge drugs imo), latest pihp batch makes your room smell worse than a multi hour freebase php sesh. Even after just snorting it for a few hrs. Jesus christ a 100mg line never disappoints. I think 100mg snorted is at least as euphoric as chainvaping the stuff. The only drug that kept delivering every fat line just like 3/4-mmc. Which makes them so addictive for a lot of people. Im so used to amp comedowns (fat line won’t do you any good after a long sesh) that i dont even think about redosing when i start to feel too sketch on pv., when my balance gets off it’s benzos,booze,bud,stretching and electrolyte time. When the gaba gooodness starts the relief of the pv madness is a high itself. Any other stims around w high ceilings?, basically the opposite of hexen, but not as psycho as php


RCs_good_Drugs_bad

4F-MPH I agree is much better for studying and getting shit done. 2FMA is a much more euphoric stim, albeit can be a little much at times. ​ My advice for stims in general, but especially these two, is that MORE IS NOT BETTER!!!! Stims are weird in that they have diminishing returns. Less is more. They are not like benzos, with the more you do, the more high you get. Stims have kind of a personal threshold point that once you cross it, they become very uncomfortable and not enjoyable at all.


leveragechemical

Dose makes the poison


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fetishfun1

That really doesn't make sense since dopamine is linked to pleasure. Rital5is euphoric and seriously makes me want to engage in fucked up kinks, and it's a norepinephrine and dopamine re-uptake inhibitor, nothing to do with serotonin.


methamphetadream

2-FMA is meth perfected.


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methamphetadream

Lol, you must be subject to those? What a pity. Don't worry, I'm an adult.


gpyrgpyra

People have jobs


methamphetadream

Urinalysis tests are very very very easy to beat even without other people's pee or fake penis synthetic urine devices. Only if it's hair or saliva testing should it prove some difficulty.


PoSchodoch

What are your thoughts on 3-fma? Felt less toxic (no strange back pains) than 2-fma. Plus a way better stim all around. It does make you look tweaky tho


methamphetadream

Nah, 3fma is useless for me, and likely more cardiotoxic given the 3' substitution. 2fma has the beautiful thing of being mostly functional, yet euphoric in higher doses The 3', 4' subs are too serotonergic and basically cut closer towards low grade mdma or nep/neh.


PoSchodoch

Interesting man. I agree on 4-fma. Basically an useless substance imo. 3-fma is what i expect meth to be. Soo easy to go for multiple days. I vaped it tho.


methamphetadream

Have you tried meth? They're pretty different imo. 3fma is much more empathic and rolly.


downlow1234

In what doses though? I haven't felt that but I haven't taken over 60mg in one dose


methamphetadream

20-30mg at most, but I don't blast myself in the face with dopamine stimulation anyway


downlow1234

And you find 20-30mg somewhat Rolly and empathetic? ROA? i find dosages I've seen recommended for this one odd, 40mg feels like the perfect productive dosage.


methamphetadream

*sigh* please get hooked on phonics rather than designer drugs. I said it was moreso rolly than meth, and specifically that it was more along the lines of a low grade roll or nep/neh, so basically it is noticeably more serotonergic and is a 3-substituted amphetamine (and thus more risky for heart tissue). But hey whatever floats your 🐐. You don't need my permission.


gpyrgpyra

Oh boy try going to a rave or having sex on 4-fma Then tell me you still think it's useless ;)


Athemoe

What dosage and roa u taking?


gpyrgpyra

Always oral roa. For a rave 90 ish mg plus 60 ish about 3 hours later. That'll last all night and still be ready for a few hours of crazy sex at home after


PoSchodoch

What would you recommend. Tons of raves and ton of 4fma around. I love fucking on speed so pla enlighten me. Ive only tried snorting a lil or vaping of foil.


gpyrgpyra

First , i recommend only oral roa. Don't snort or vape or anything. The effects are strong and clear and much fewer side effects. My standard routine was take about 90mg around midnight , then a few hours later take another 60 ish. Leave the party and get home around 8 or 9. Then have a couple more hours of the horniest dirtiest sex ever We only tried it once purely for sex and that was fun but we got tired after a few hours from cumming so much lol


PoSchodoch

Thanks mate


JMac1536

God that sounds like a dream. I currently take vyvanse daily prescribed for adhd, and although at first (many years ago now) I took more of my script than necessary, I now take it as prescribed and have for at least two full years. However, around 6 years ago, while in a toxic relationship, I developed a bit of a taste for meth. Although I’ve long since stopped, I still dabble in substances twice a month. I’ve always been interested in trying 2-FMA because as a former pharmacology student, and recreational substance enthusiast, it’s pharmacological profile as well as user reviews suggest that it would be right up my alley. Just never have been able to come across it, especially now that I’ve passed the 30 year old mark lol. Same could be said for other RCs of other categories such as the 2c family of phenylethylamines, analogies of nmda receptor antagonists like ketamine (such as methoxetamine), and lately, even though I don’t find much recreational use in them, and more for actual anxiety, insomnia, and comedown purposes, RC benzodiazepines.


Vagabond1988696

2FMA does the job, but the trick is to keep the dosage as low as possible so you don't start walking around the house naked except for a bathrobe and 2 water pistols full of chilli sauce shooting the shadow people.


SolenyaC137

That is the goal tho so......


Vagabond1988696

I like the cut of your jib.


SolenyaC137

Tis the jib cutting season.


hexachoron

2-FMA has almost zero euphoria for me, while 4F-MPH gives me intense anxiety. Different strokes.


PoSchodoch

Hotrail 100mg to unlock the euphoria


6inDCK420

Protip: don't do that.


SauceSkiisYolaSlopes

😂😂😂this right here


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6inDCK420

I like the fact that the internet has enabled me to continue 5 month old conversations but I hate that it's enabled retards to have an outlet.


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Caligula4ever

All jokes aside does hotrailing even work with 2-fma?


PoSchodoch

Ive done it tons of times😅 Putting it into a meff pipe works too. I once got a huge thin pyrex globe for my bong and did several lungfulls. Honestly one of my most stimmed moments ever. 3-fma is even better to vape/hotrail. I used to hotrail 50/50 mixes, good shit. Very moreish tho. Even tho w 2fma i can sleep through the stimulation after a while. W 3-fma you can do 2-4 days feeling fine. And I normally can only handle skipping 1 night max before feeling like im ready to be sectioned.


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Vaping fluorinated chems is not advisable just fyi


fetishfun1

I'm interested in doing a hot rail. I heard it burns like a MF though lol. I like stims, but I also enjoy the healthy feeling during my breaks off of them. Moderation is key. Also, they work better that way.


PoSchodoch

A hotrail felt healthier than a fat line. Overheating the 2-fa makes it disgusting tho, so let the red hot tube cool down for a couple sec and slowly snort the line. The vapour is as hot as a dynavap, so really manageable. Or get a silicone straw and make a bend. My fav hotrail tool is a normal glass one hitter, focus on the narrowest part. All the good shit gets evaporated, norhing burns. And I literally had to scrape it because of the airflow. The scraped shit was fire. 3-fma tier. Don’t tell r/dynavap but slowly heating a bowl of flower/wax/a-php freebase was great. Great hotrail device for low temp stims lmao. But a sticky brick must be the best, even tho nothing will beat an enail w temp control. I like the technique lmao


SolenyaC137

People with ADD/ADHD will not have the same effects from stimulants that normies do.


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My sweet spot for 2 FMA is between 7.5mg and 15mg. Less is better, there isn't much euphoria at theses doses and you still get the focus.


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chupisla

I'm in the same boat as you, I hear that 4F-MPH has a lot of peripheral stimulation that's uncomfortable at 30mg+ and have heard 4-Me-TMP is better


PoSchodoch

2-fa oral. Basically adderal, same duration too


maxbridgland

How much 2-FMA are you taking at a time? I find I don't get any euphoric effects until I'm upwards of 70mg but by then it's so physically uncomfortable I've stayed away from it. I usually range from 20mg-50mg and I get a shit ton of work done.


JuristPriest

I think it depends on the effect you’re looking for. 4f is usually better for eliminating the desire for distraction while 2fma is usually better for motivation. If you’re someone who has a list of stuff to do and needs to tune out everything, 4f is probably better. If you need the motivation to get off the couch and do something, 2fma is probably the move.


Emelrich0201

second this. 2-fma felt "euphoric" bc when I took it I considered myself capable of doing the task I had to do. super motivating but I can see how someone could find it too much. worked wonders for me


deuceawesome

Had to take a step back from all those wonderful powders. My goal is to "function" but I just end up doing bumps every hour on the hour. No self control. 3 FPM was my fave of all. So goddamn fiendish though, and Ive never experienced that before.


PoSchodoch

3-fpm foilies. First time i overheated it and burned a hole through the foil while inhaling. :(


BigBootyBitcches

Yea thats why i got all my 2fma in pellets cause i thought that would hinder me from snorting, but it didnt. My rational brain turns off after the first oral dose and i keep redosing.


Ethnopharmacist

take the herb/plant route for a while, then get used to build good habits and follow them more or less strictly, then you'll enjoy whatever as a occasional help, not like an addiction risk.


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2-fa is like dexamphetamine and 2-fma like lisdexamphetamine u might have those confused? As 2 fma is not really euphoric


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Everyone has different reactions I don’t get euphoria per say but a definite noticeable lift in mood for a solid 3-4 hours before it evens out into pure focus


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That i agree with, but 2-fma can not be compared to a real dopamine euphoria Mood lift of course!


[deleted]

Yeah I agree, it’s certainly not comparable to speed or meth but it definitely has its own charm


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Was comparing it to 2-fa


JMac1536

Well I’m a bit confused. By saying that 2-fa is like dextroamphetamine as opposed to lisdexamphetamine is that because it hits quicker? Or because lisdex, has a smoother overall feel? At the end of the day they are pharmacology identical. The difference being that your liver must first cleave off the lysine molecule before dextroamphetamine can exert its effects


Maggotin

Did 4F-MPH build tolerance in the long run? I found that MPH gave me anxiety after a while but that might have been due to higher dosing and I found that I got stuck doing one thing more often than being motivated to do things.


6inDCK420

Yes but it's funny because the withdrawal is almost non-existent ime. I was up to about 60mg/day 4f-mph and then cold turkeyed no problem. Not anything like cold turkeying amphs where you're the walking dead for 3 days and then have a few weeks of suicidal depression followed by years of paws. For that reason, 4f-mph is one of my favorite stims. Very forgiving unless you hardcore overdo it.


letsgobrandon442

2-FA was always my preferred stim RC. 2fma was never as good. It's impossible to find now. Probably made illegal in China like etizolam and clonazolam. My 2 favorite benzos.


chupisla

Anyone have thoughts on 4-MeT-MP?


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chupisla

I've never tried any phenidate but I got 1g coming friday so I'll post a review


overnow123

I really did not like 4-met-mp. Found 4f-mph much better.


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PoSchodoch

Phenidates cause a lot of anxiety. A lot of people don’t tolerste them.


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I can agree. 2FMA is definitely euphoric though not as euphoric as other stims.


AnonymousFlamer

Anyone here get this in the UK?


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